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Speaker 3: Good morning, Bunju. Welcome to the Tuesday edition of the

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Speaker 3: Clement Manyitela Show. Thank you for joining us on seven

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Speaker 3: Open line starts now on OH one one eight eight

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Speaker 3: US President Donald Trump looking for an exit strategy to

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Speaker 3: this war in Iran? That's the question on my mind

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Speaker 3: after he announced yesterday that the US is postponing military

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Speaker 3: strikes on Iranian power plans. Now, remember he issued a

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Speaker 3: warning a few days ago on social media and said,

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Speaker 3: and I quote, if Iran doesn't fully open without threat

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Speaker 3: the Strait of Homus within forty eight hours from this

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Speaker 3: exact point in time, the United States of America will

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Speaker 3: hit and obliterate their various power plans, starting with the

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Speaker 3: biggest one. First, thank you for your attention to this matter.

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Speaker 3: President J. Donald Trump. That's what the President of the

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Speaker 3: US said when issued the winning a few days ago,

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Speaker 3: and then just hours before that deadline, he said, those

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Speaker 3: are tacks on Iranian power plants will be postponed for

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Speaker 3: five days. He said on social media that the US

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Speaker 3: and Iran have had good and productive conversations over the

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Speaker 3: past two days about a complete and total resolution of

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Speaker 3: hostilities in the Middle East. In fact, this is what

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Speaker 3: he said yesterday.

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Speaker 4: We're dealing with the man who I believe is the

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Speaker 3: You know, it's a little tough.

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Speaker 4: They've wiped out, We've wiped out everybody now, not the

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Speaker 4: Supreme Leader. We don't well, nobody's ever nobody heard of

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Speaker 4: the second Supreme Leader of the Sun.

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Speaker 3: Nobody. We have not heard from the Sun.

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Speaker 4: Everyone said a while you see a statement made, but

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Speaker 4: we have not. We don't know if he's living.

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Speaker 5: We're looking for all of the things that we've been

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Speaker 5: talking about. We want to see no nuclear bomb, no

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Speaker 5: We want to see peace in the Middle East. We want.

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Speaker 3: The nuclear dust.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna want that, and I think we're going to

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Speaker 5: get that.

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Speaker 6: We've agreed to that.

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Speaker 5: Wave agreed to that, and we want no Enrichmond, but

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Speaker 5: we also want the rich enriched uranium where if this happens,

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Speaker 5: it's a great start for Iran to build itself back,

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Speaker 5: and it's everything that we want, and it's also great

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Speaker 5: for Israel, and it's great for the other Middle Eastern countries,

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Speaker 5: Saudi Arabia, UAE guitar all of them, Kawait and Bahrain

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Speaker 5: in particular, So it's great for all of them.

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Speaker 3: So that's what the US President said. Did you hear

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Speaker 3: the beginning part of what he said? I mean, I

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Speaker 3: don't know if the US knows for sure that they're

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Speaker 3: the Iranian regime quote unquote, But did you hear what

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Speaker 3: he said about who the US believes they're talking to.

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Speaker 3: We're dealing with the man who I believe is the

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Speaker 3: He says, it's a man I believe would be a

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Speaker 3: top Iranian official. That's really fascinating and then after what

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Speaker 3: for whatever reason, because that's a part and puzzle of war.

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Speaker 3: It's not just about amor and artillery. It's about information.

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Speaker 3: It's about messaging and how you position your messaging that

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Speaker 3: In fact, I think this could be an acceptance of defeat.

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Speaker 3: Remember the US was pinning its hopes on regime change.

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Speaker 3: It was a bomb in hope strategy that they seemed

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Speaker 3: But that has not really happened, has it? And now

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Speaker 3: President Trump now trying to buy time? Does he now

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Speaker 3: and let's hope sanity will prevail over the next four days.

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Speaker 3: What do you think is at play here? Do you

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Speaker 3: think President Trump is serious about these intended strikes on

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Speaker 3: serve in government. So reports have revealed, as you've heard

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Speaker 3: So Action Essay has now filed complaints with the Public

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Speaker 3: alleging is that these payments may not have been properly

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Speaker 3: members of the executive may not undertake other paid work.

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Speaker 3: The complaint, though, argues that these top ups could fall

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Speaker 3: into that category. So does it mean that you, as

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Speaker 3: bizarre to me, And I'd like to know what you think.

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Speaker 3: Do you believe that it is actually acceptable that John Stein,

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Speaker 3: Hazen or President Serrama Pausa or Park whoever, who still

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Speaker 3: has a position within the A and C should not

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Speaker 3: Or do you think there must be stricter rules around

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Speaker 3: government salaries To me at a preliminary level, and I

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Speaker 3: could be wrong here. This really sounds bizarre what action

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Speaker 3: Essa is asking for because people who work in government

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Speaker 3: he still remains the Secretary General of the a and

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Speaker 3: C unless the ANC decides that, you know what we

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Speaker 3: want someone who's going to be permanently li to the

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Speaker 3: But if he can do both roles that has been allowed.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Siril Ramaposa is the President of the State

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Speaker 3: and is the president of the ANC. So is the

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Speaker 3: deputy president, Paul Masha Dill Huh, Guadermantasha isn't he chair

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Speaker 3: of the ANC? Are you telling me that there's no

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Speaker 3: budget to the chairs office at Littully House just because

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Speaker 3: he works for government. It looks a bit bizarre. I

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Speaker 3: don't know if they've got a strong case here, but

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Speaker 3: let me know what you think. You can call us

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Speaker 3: or send us a what's a voice.

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Speaker 1: Notapl clement Manyaatela streaming on the Prime Media Plus.

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Speaker 8: Clement, I think it's fair to say that Trump went

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Speaker 8: thought it was going to probably be as easy as

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Speaker 8: it was for him to bomb both Nigeria and Venezuela.

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Speaker 8: And another question that I have is that if he

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Speaker 8: who has he been negotiating with. That's a big question.

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Speaker 8: I mean, do not sometimes lives in the world of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, you're asking such a key question. Like he said,

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Speaker 3: we have taken them all out. These are the top

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Speaker 3: Iranian officials. So who are you then talking to? And

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Speaker 3: that's why I pointed out to you that Donald Trump says,

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Speaker 3: it's we're talking to someone that I believe is okay,

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Speaker 3: So you don't know for sure that this person is

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Speaker 3: But also, if you've taken down all of their top officials,

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Speaker 3: who is really this top official you're talking about? You

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Speaker 3: must listen to actually what John Stewart said. I must

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Speaker 3: find that clip for you. Stewart. Oh, it's so brilliant.

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Speaker 3: I'll find it for you in a moment in fact,

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Speaker 3: a will you've got it? Listen to it and I thought,

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Speaker 3: this is such a brilliant analysis of just in a

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Speaker 9: Escalating tensions in the millies. I must applaud the president

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Speaker 9: for stepping back from the cliff of escalation and engaging

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Speaker 9: Iran in productive talks.

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Speaker 10: Iran has responded at state media saying there are no talks.

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Speaker 9: Well, now we're in the uncomfortable position of who to believe.

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Speaker 9: Normally in this situation, I think we'd all be inclined to,

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Speaker 9: I just wanna.

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Speaker 9: We're be inclined not to trust Iran, So let's give

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Speaker 9: a little deeper. So you say we're having talks with Iran,

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Speaker 9: who did.

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Speaker 4: You talk to a top person?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 9: Top person or the top person. The article really makes

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Speaker 9: a huge difference here, like the guy or some fucking guy.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's a little tough. They've wiped out, We've

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Speaker 9: So a lower level guy who's been elevated to a

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Speaker 9: higher echelon bottom, who is now a top versatile but

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Speaker 9: not not stop it or I will rip your stuffed monkey.

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Speaker 3: Fuck in half.

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Speaker 9: So you're talking to a guy, but not the top guy,

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Speaker 9: not the supreme leader now.

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Speaker 4: Not the supreme leader, but the people that seem to.

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Speaker 5: Be running it again.

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Speaker 9: Running it or seem to be running it. It's a

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Speaker 9: big difference. Hey, where's our car?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 9: I gave it to the guy who seems.

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Speaker 1: To be the valet.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, jacket standing by the curb. Seemed like a top

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Speaker 9: guy and he did take the car. What made you

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Speaker 9: think he was the top guy when you had the

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Speaker 9: talks with him?

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Speaker 5: Mister Widgarf and Christer Kushner had them, so you didn't.

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Speaker 3: Even talk to them.

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Speaker 9: You are guys who quite frankly, don't seem like top guys.

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Speaker 9: Talk to their seemingly somewhat top.

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Speaker 3: Guy or Jarry, What a brilliant way to put it. Oh,

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Speaker 3: this man is just so brilliant. You can go and

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Speaker 3: watch the full clip. It was on the Daily Show,

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Speaker 3: and I just thought it was so brilliant. Just helping

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Speaker 11: Good morning, Good morning Clemens. On a tree This morning

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Speaker 11: I read a cheat on safe book Jesse. He said

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Speaker 12: Man means God condoning this, this war and the giving

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Speaker 13: And I was just like really put on his truth

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Speaker 11: Seriously, the things and I'm scared of him. You know,

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Speaker 14: Hi Rexlement Clement. The question we need to ask is

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Speaker 15: So as much.

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Speaker 14: As they mean the Americans are giving, they are getting

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Speaker 3: And they were not ready for to be getting just

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Speaker 3: You have been asking you about Donald Trump's announcement yesterday

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Yes, sir, morning man.

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Speaker 16: Look, I suspect that the called action essay people may

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Speaker 16: question there is did you declare that extra income in parliament?

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Speaker 16: That's number one if they declare it fie. But the

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Speaker 16: Then the end favors. But the money is turning through

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Speaker 14: Follow the money?

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Speaker 15: Where does it come from?

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Speaker 3: All right, Wells in Victoria, thank you so much for

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Speaker 3: Good morning Clem and your team. Clement.

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Speaker 17: I think in an organization like the A and C,

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Speaker 3: So there is a different.

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Speaker 17: When you're in government, you remain whatever chairman in the

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Speaker 3: Clement, I'm glad you raised this issue of.

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Speaker 18: Burgal parties paying the office parers plus the authors be

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Speaker 3: It's excellently supposed to be like that. It's supposed to

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Speaker 7: Because remember when they start driving these state vehicles to

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Speaker 3: Party political duties. Well complain, So how are the supposed

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Speaker 10: Onenjament. Just allow me to ask this, maybe ignorant question.

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Speaker 19: You all right, Clement. The technical answer is that traditionally

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Speaker 20: Exposed, I think for me is the fact that the

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Speaker 3: Okay, so the concern for me here is I note

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Speaker 3: then loses their skills or the DA then loses their skills.

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Speaker 3: It's like it's like gime On Jordan hill Lewis. There

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Speaker 3: are others who will argue that he's been an incredible

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Speaker 3: mayor for the city of Cape Town. So now that

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Speaker 3: he's going to become likely at this conference next month

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Speaker 3: of the Democratic Alliance, now that he's going to likely

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Speaker 3: take the position of leader of the Democratic Alliance, you

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Speaker 3: are now suggesting then than what he has to focus

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Speaker 3: on on on on that leadership position, or focus on

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Speaker 3: being the mayor of the city of Johannesburg and not

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Speaker 3: necessarily get involved in the work of the organization. But

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Speaker 3: what if the organization needs a leader like Jordan hill Lewis.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how you explain it. You explain the

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Speaker 3: issue of losing the skills just because you're in government,

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Speaker 3: because the minute you start forgetting about the work the

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Speaker 3: party needs to do, then you're not going to be

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Speaker 3: in government for too long. It's fifteen minutes now before ten.

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Speaker 21: Trump your voice, your station, your earthen line, both at

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Speaker 21: all with clements.

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Speaker 3: When you're up on seven eight the progress. Are you

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Speaker 3: calling from the Eastland? What are your thoughts?

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Speaker 22: Good morning, Yes, good morning, Clement.

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Speaker 23: I hope you're well.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, my daughts around Donald Trump, I think we're dealing

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Speaker 22: with someone who's a typeological liar, and we're dealing with

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Speaker 22: someone who will say anything he needs to do or

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Speaker 22: say to come the energy markets, right, So my worry

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Speaker 22: is it I think what he's trying to do is

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Speaker 22: scheming along with Israel to do something over the weekend.

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Speaker 22: So if you still this whole war has started, just

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Speaker 22: notice how they always read for the weekend, Saturday and

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Speaker 22: Sundays to do something major. So I think something major

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Speaker 22: going to come over the weekend. He's just waiting for

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Speaker 22: the energy markets to obviously close on Friday and then

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Speaker 22: an attack is going to come. So I honestly think

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Speaker 22: Iran shouldn't actually trust anything that comes out of the

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Speaker 22: Trump administration. The guy is obviously not in charge of anything.

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Speaker 22: We can see that his advice is coming from Tennessee's

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Speaker 22: making every other ones that are in charge. So I

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Speaker 22: don't know, I really really think Iran shouldn't trust anything.

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Speaker 22: They should keep sayings about them because this is actually.

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Speaker 23: Far from over. You know, it's going to be a

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Speaker 23: long time. That's why with us South Africa, we need

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Speaker 23: to make at what do we start doing from our

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Speaker 23: side in future? You need to almost like insulate ourselves

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Speaker 23: against these type of things because as much as we

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Speaker 23: don't have our own oil, but maybe you know, having

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Speaker 23: a refining capacity like what India has is something we

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Speaker 23: need to get developing.

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Speaker 3: Gogatto in the Eastland, thank you for your thoughts. Moll

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Speaker 3: WhatsApps on seven two seven, two and seven or two.

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Speaker 24: Good morning Clement and the seven or two lenders can

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Speaker 24: live Bene. Listen to Donald Trump anymore?

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Speaker 3: We know he doesn't say.

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Speaker 24: What he means. We've now seen that whatever he says

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Speaker 24: is actually an opportunity for him to do something different.

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Speaker 24: But also Slightlyman, this is Emma from Victoria.

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Speaker 13: Major.

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Speaker 3: Do man listen.

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Speaker 25: I think in this case Yan Trena, Yeah, that's what's

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Speaker 25: his name.

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump?

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Speaker 25: What he is claiming, well, we have known Donald Trump

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Speaker 25: to fly every step of the way. In fact, I

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Speaker 25: think you are right, he's looking for a way out

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Speaker 25: of here and to save face. But being a liar

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Speaker 25: that has been established beyond beyond all doubt.

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Speaker 26: We all know that he is a liar.

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Speaker 7: Good morning, seven listeners in Manda. Is not that President

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Speaker 7: Trump is looking for an exit strategy. The reason I'm

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Speaker 7: saying this is because the USS gerald Fox, the biggest

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Speaker 7: career there's now back for maintenance and repairs. There has

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Speaker 7: been nine months at sea. The sailors are tired, the

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Speaker 7: trailers are not waiting, so they do not have enough

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Speaker 7: resources to carry on. Secondly, Iran is now hitting Israel

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Speaker 7: every night. Messages are going through and killing civilians in Israel.

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Speaker 7: This thing cannot be sustained. Thirdly, the Gulf nations did

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Speaker 7: not buy in the ways that you were trying to

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Speaker 7: build between themselves and Iran because they realize that they

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Speaker 7: are neighbors they otherwise they will be fighting amongst themselves

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Speaker 7: on behalf of the US. And third fourthly is because

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Speaker 7: of the interceptors, the measures that they use to defend defenses.

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Speaker 7: The are needed in the UA, in the Arabian countries,

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Speaker 7: they are needed in Ukraine, their needed in Israel. They

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Speaker 7: are needed by the US to protect their ships and

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Speaker 7: the see. So not enough of them is left. So

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Speaker 7: they're starting to panic because now you ran it's only

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Speaker 7: now startying to unleash some of the deadliest message. So yeah, thank.

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Speaker 3: You, poy your station.

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Speaker 21: You're in lineal clements when on seven eighteen.

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Speaker 3: It's nine minutes before ten o'clock. Let's start with Tembisa.

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Speaker 3: Who's calling us from Germiston? Tembisa, what are your thoughts?

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Speaker 3: Good morning? Are you?

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Speaker 15: Are you welcomemen?

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Speaker 3: I'm alright, man, go ahead, No, we could look.

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Speaker 15: The difference between what's happening in the DA and what

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Speaker 15: happens in the NC. Is that in the ANC, when

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Speaker 15: you join, you join voluntarily and you join to be

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Speaker 15: a volunteer, so you become a volunteer. But when the

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Speaker 15: ANC deploys you to government, you only draw a salary

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Speaker 15: from government, not from the ANC. The ANC doesn't top

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Speaker 15: up anyone's salary. If you are in an office better

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Speaker 15: like the president's National chair, You're office has a budget,

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Speaker 15: not you. You are not topped at anything before during

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Speaker 15: your term in whatever office you occupy, you thrown't throw.

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Speaker 15: You do not throw a salary from the a n C.

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Speaker 15: The NC only pays its administrators, and the SG is

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Speaker 15: the head of administration of the ANC and the others.

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Speaker 15: The others like the life of the spokesperson. Those are

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Speaker 15: positions that have to be full time, so those ones

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Speaker 15: will throw salerty from the party. Do not draw a

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Speaker 15: salary from governant.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So what happens if someone is so let's take

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Speaker 3: let's say Marsenghi, who is now the spokesperson. In fact,

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Speaker 3: let me make it this way. Let me make a

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Speaker 3: practical example that's more real. Remember the Deputy Minister of

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Speaker 3: Trade and Industry, what's his name, the Deputy Minister of

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Speaker 3: Trade and Industry, that young young chairman Ugolimby. If Golimby

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Speaker 3: gets appointed as the sports this person of the ANC,

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Speaker 3: which he was, even though albeit on a temporary basis,

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Speaker 3: what happens there then, because that's a that's a position

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Speaker 3: that must be filled in the a n C. Does

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Speaker 3: the ANC pay him for his responsibilities as a spokesperson

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Speaker 3: and while he also serves as deputy minister or he

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Speaker 3: does that as a temper as at a voluntary level.

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Speaker 15: He's a volunteer first, so he doesn't he does that voluntarily. Remember,

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Speaker 15: he's a salary with government and that that's that's the

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Speaker 15: salary that he gets is compensated by governments for being

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Speaker 15: the minister, deputy minister or whatever. But when it comes

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Speaker 15: to doing A and C work, we have volunteers that

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Speaker 15: do it voluntarily because we joined it voluntarily to quint

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Speaker 15: volunteer ourselves for the organization for the party. So in

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Speaker 15: the D eight it's different when they think they are

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Speaker 15: topping up salaries and he adds that person is getting

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Speaker 15: a salary from government that has to be going be

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Speaker 15: declared in council, government wherever. Okay, so that's the difference

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Speaker 15: between the two.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much of that view. I meant

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Speaker 3: for clarifying the ten percent bush a park. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Let's go to some of the lemon.

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Speaker 27: Political parties also get up you call transfer funds, which

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Speaker 27: is carrying from government. So it means if one occupied

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Speaker 27: is the political position in their party and a position

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Speaker 27: in government, they are getting paid twice, which is not good.

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Speaker 3: So actually I say he's right, money and money payment.

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Speaker 18: I think you are somewhere somehow we are missing the

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Speaker 18: point declament.

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Speaker 28: The question is did they decay? Because that's the question,

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Speaker 28: did they decay?

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Speaker 18: Like the answer you can get, I can go and

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Speaker 18: give a SMA post, But the question is I can

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Speaker 18: give my posts some gift.

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Speaker 28: The question did you declare those gifts all that.

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Speaker 18: Money that is coming from his or her.

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Speaker 3: Part that's the question.

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Speaker 28: The question did they declay, did they d a MPs

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Speaker 28: decay that.

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Speaker 18: They are getting some sort of money from the DA. Yes,

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Speaker 18: the constitution is saying what you are saying now, and

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Speaker 18: people are working hard for their constitution for their parties.

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Speaker 3: But the question is did they declare. That's the real question.

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Speaker 21: Your voice, your station, your open line. I'm seven noteen.

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Speaker 26: Money in Clement, this is not here.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 26: On the issue of Trump now saying he's in talks

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Speaker 26: with the Iranian government, I think it's proper than that Clement,

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Speaker 26: because uh, Trump projected power by giving Iran forty eight hours.

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Speaker 26: I mean, that is the delusion that Trump hays that,

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Speaker 26: I mean, I'm giving you forty eight hours to do this,

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Speaker 26: like a carey at war with you is just going

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Speaker 26: to comply. So when he realized that they are not

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Speaker 26: going to comply and they would actually retaliate, he is

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Speaker 26: now projecting as if they came begging.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that ever happened.

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Speaker 26: I think it's just Donald Trump showing how much he's

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Speaker 26: out of touch with anything happening in that war.

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Speaker 6: Well, moaning moaning Trump, mark my words, I don't think

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Speaker 6: this war is going to dragon after the end of

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Speaker 6: the next month, by end of April, because the costs

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Speaker 6: not just financial, the political cost to the Trump administration

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Speaker 6: is going to be critically significant. If you recall, America

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Speaker 6: is heading towards the terms, and and if should Trump

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Speaker 6: should should to the Republicans lose a lot and then

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Speaker 6: the mid terms, they could be moved to impeach Trump.

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Speaker 6: He has said it himself that they will find something

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Speaker 6: to to impish him on, so he cannot risk continuing

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Speaker 6: Unfeather's collision of this war. I mean, look at Israel

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Speaker 6: now going to bomb his energy infrastructure.

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Speaker 17: Israel is just I don't know if you've got something

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Speaker 17: on America, Prince, but what.

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Speaker 29: You morning, Clement. Yeah, we're talking about Iran and the US,

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Speaker 29: and Iran said US doesn't negotiate with them, and are

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Speaker 29: quite correct. The person who's negotiating with them is not

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Speaker 29: a White House official. Kushna is Trump's son in law,

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Speaker 29: but he is not a senator or a White House official,

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Speaker 29: and he's negotiating with them. So yeah, read between the lines,

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Speaker 29: and yeah, I don't I don't always believe what the

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Speaker 29: Iranians are saying, but they are probably saying it that

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Speaker 29: way because if you do catch them out of I'll

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Speaker 29: say yes. But it wasn't the White House who was

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Speaker 29: negotiating with us, not the American government.

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Speaker 4: It was a.

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Speaker 29: Relation of the president. Thanks Nick Romol