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Speaker 1: Lunch with Pippa Hudson on Cape Talk Join the conversation. Well,

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Speaker 1: with one big cycling event in the rear view mirror,

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Speaker 1: in Durbanville, because the thought of tackling what these competitors

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Speaker 1: mix is just excruciating for those who don't know. The

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Speaker 1: competitors in this year's epic will navigate a grueling seven

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Speaker 1: hundred and seven kilometer route with close to sixteen thousand

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Speaker 1: bosh eight days later, and once again this year, there

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Speaker 1: will be a contingent of amputee riders taking place taking

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Speaker 1: part rather under the banner of What's Your Epic, It's

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Speaker 1: a campaign we told you about last year when it

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Speaker 1: demonstrating how mobility support and access to prosthetic devices can

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Speaker 1: transform people's lives and make almost anything possible, including taking

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Speaker 1: part in one of the world's toughest races after you

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Speaker 1: have lost a limb. And it's a huge pleasure to

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Speaker 1: have one of the six athletes with us in studio today.

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Speaker 1: Renscha Retief hails from Somerset West and she will be

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Speaker 1: paired with Travis Warwick Oliver, who we spoke to last year.

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Speaker 1: You may remember that conversation when the Wat's your Epic

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Speaker 1: was first launched. Rencher, it's great to have you with

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Speaker 1: us today. Welcome than here, and thanks for making time

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Speaker 1: chat to us, because I know this is kind of

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Speaker 1: the big event starts, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's lovely to be indoors for a bit.

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Speaker 1: Better, Okay, Rencher. I mean this is all a quite

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Speaker 1: new story because it was only three years ago or

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Speaker 1: so that your life was changed by a cycling accident.

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Speaker 1: I understand you were very much an athlete before then.

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Speaker 1: Cycling wasn't your main sport. You were a runner and

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Speaker 2: I was on my mountain bike. I was actually collecting

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Speaker 2: It just shows it can happen to anyone any time.

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Speaker 2: You're not exempt from becoming an MPC. And for sure,

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Speaker 2: I mean, as you say, you had done everything right.

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Speaker 2: You'd stayed off, you'd been on the trails. It was

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Speaker 2: as I said, a kill not just trail runner, but

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Speaker 1: And I mean, I don't want to spend too much

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Speaker 2: Leik It was about four or five months, But I

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Speaker 2: had lots of medical complications. Everyone's journey is very different

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Speaker 1: It's going to be so frustrating. And I'm thinking of somebody

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Speaker 2: Sure, it's difficult, because you do you see sometimes you

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Speaker 2: It's like hearing the worst, but also hearing something you

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Speaker 1: So if there even was a way to prepare for

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Speaker 1: what the race is going to be like in a minute.

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Speaker 1: But the whole point of the What's Your Epic campaign

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Speaker 2: I was quite lucky. I had a good medical aid,

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Speaker 2: But a lot of South Africans don't have that access,

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Speaker 2: of a form of expression. So even as an artist,

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Speaker 2: So there's a whole lot of ripple effects that comes

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Speaker 2: And it's snow. Movement and mobility isn't a believe, it's

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Speaker 1: I'm happy to say we've interviewed all three of those

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Speaker 1: sumrset West and is going to be at the start

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