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Speaker 2: kind of travel, Yes, they can.

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Speaker 1: Expect the standard support such as letters of invitation, the

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Speaker 1: planning progress, and we will share additional information has the

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Speaker 2: Anything else, yes, sorry. So the starting point though is

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Speaker 2: registration on your website. Is that correct?

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Speaker 1: Yes, the Champs for Change that are website.

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Speaker 2: Anything else before we wrap up, anything else you'd like

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Speaker 2: our audience to know about either this opportunity in North

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Speaker 1: Yes, the message is don't put yourself in a box

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Speaker 1: of I can do this. This is not for me.

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Speaker 1: Things only happen for other people. We are creating these

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Speaker 1: for you, young person between sixteen and thirty. This is

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Speaker 1: where you can maximize your potential, whatever that is. Don't

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Speaker 1: opportunity to show what you can do in a global level.

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Speaker 1: That's what sport does and that's what Champs for Change

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for that effort and great to

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Speaker 2: have you with us this afternoon. Clarisse Machanguana, co founder

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Speaker 2: and Partnerships lead at Champs for Change. So, once again

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Speaker 2: a couple of people asking for the details. Firstly, the

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Speaker 2: WhatsApps coming for the remains of the show. I'm happy

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Speaker 2: to keep on hearing from those who initially thought that

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