1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Can't now it's back to books. 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 2: On seven notes, it's twenty minutes before eight o'clock. You 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 2: are the linking savenes whore. We can breakfast with me, googs, 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 2: and time for us to talk sustainability. And this morning 5 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 2: we're looking at a report, an article published in the 6 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 2: Baby Caesar Health Institute's platform looking at how superbugs and 7 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 2: climate change could spell double trouble for us. So climate 8 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 2: change seemingly driving the spirit of superbugs. And tell us 9 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 2: more about this piece and what we need to know. 10 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 2: We'll join on the line by health and science journalist 11 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 2: Ida Eusta. A very good morning to you, Welcome to 12 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 2: weekend Breakfast. 13 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: Hi googs, good morning, Thank you so much. Thanks good morning. 14 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 2: So when we think of climate change, of course we 15 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 2: know things as were seeing it already. You know, a 16 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 2: disruption to rainfall, so we're seeing heavier seasons, but also 17 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 2: drier seasons, longer droughts. We're constantly seeing floods around the world. 18 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 2: You know, we've had heavy rain in this summer season, 19 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 2: and we've seen flooding in Nimpopo and how dying and 20 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 2: case it in. But we don't usually connect climate change 21 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 2: to superbugs and public health. So talk to us about 22 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 2: how those two things are linked. 23 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, we all have been receiving or you know, 24 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: those of us who have whether axtreme many people do, 25 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 1: have been receiving these warnings on our phones about violent storms, flooding, 26 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: people warned about trees falling over and protecting their belongings, 27 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: devastating in the immediate scenes. But we don't step in 28 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: those warnings. It's something that almost undoubtedly follows and follows 29 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: after these extreme and violent storms that we've seen at 30 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: the moment. And that is that if you think about it, 31 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: and I haven't thought about it so much. I'm a journalist, 32 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: not a scientist, But when I got into this issue 33 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: more deeply, it became so clear by speaking to scientists 34 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: how and these extreme weather events help superbugs spread. For example, 35 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: when there are super bugs in any environment, be it 36 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: on a farm, in a hospital, in your home, around 37 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: a and there's a violent immediate bugs spread further and wider, uncontrollable, 38 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, if they're in a controlled environment 39 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: like in a hospital, it's unfortunate that they're there, but 40 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: it's almost inevitable. Somehow they spread can be contained, and 41 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: hospitals do what they can to containd in. But if 42 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: it's in the environment, and it is through our practices 43 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: to human behavior, and also because of how bugs behave, 44 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: there's something spread and they just run off along with 45 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: the water and everything else that they've washed that get 46 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: washed away, right, fascinating. 47 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 2: And so these particular bugs are called superbugs because they 48 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 2: have a particular kind of resistance to the medications we 49 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: kind that or the drugs we kindly have to treat them. 50 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: Yes, super as a superman, you know, super strong. And 51 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: it's not really surprising because all living organisms be good. 52 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:15,679 Speaker 1: A human being, a kangaroole of fungus, bacteria, a virus, 53 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: a polar bear. All of us to share this planet 54 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: want to survive, you know. Our goal is to live 55 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: and to live longer and stronger. So basically, when these 56 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: merchans are being developed to fight them, they fight back. 57 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: You know, they're simply say, okay, this is how they're 58 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: attacking me. I'm bringing in their torpedo or a missile 59 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: from around the back. You know, So just as we 60 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: would do if somebody attacked us as the old days 61 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: with a sword or a knife, and whatever ways that 62 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: one organism attacks another, you build up your defenses and 63 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: so it becomes super strong if these defenses that humans 64 00:03:55,800 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: have developed, So the drugs are used in the wrong way, right, And. 65 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 2: So it seems that in terms of the particular I 66 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 2: guess phenomenon that's driving these the spread of the superbugs, 67 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: it is the heat. So as the planet warms and 68 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 2: every year, I mean we now know every year will 69 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 2: be the hottest year on records. So twenty twenty five 70 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 2: was the hottest year on record. It is expected that 71 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six will smash that record and become the 72 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 2: hottest year. So as we see this increasing heat and 73 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 2: these heat waves, that is where the real danger is 74 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 2: with regards to the spread of the superbugs. It says 75 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 2: about the cold, it seems, but more about the heat. 76 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: And in a little bit there's a bit of nuance 77 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: to that. But you're right, Goods. I mean, the heat 78 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: plays an important role, but it's it's climate change causes 79 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: these more extreme weather event so you might find slud 80 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: and during those slight come cold, you know. So it's 81 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: not always heat alone, but it's a huge factor with 82 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: the warming of the planet, but also any extreme weather 83 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: events much more extreme than you to be the case, 84 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: you know, eighty years ago. So, but heat specifically, it's 85 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: very interesting because definitely, of course it drives drought. And 86 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 1: as you said in the intro, you know, if flags 87 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: can help superbug spread, how can drugs a drought do 88 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: the same. Well, in this way, when there's a drought, 89 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: there's water scarcity, and when there's water scarcity, people kind 90 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: of gather whatever water they can find. They reuse it, 91 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,119 Speaker 1: they don't throw it away. Lots more people gather around 92 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 1: the same water source, and that can also make existing 93 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: infections spread faster, or existing superbugs spread faster because now 94 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: they're not being ironically, now they're not being washed away. 95 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: We can't clean ourselves properly, which is another way that 96 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: superbugs spread because of climate change, because there's more drought 97 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: because of climate change. 98 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, dam I thank you so much for giving us 99 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 2: your time this morning. A great pleasure having you on 100 00:05:58,040 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 2: the show. 101 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: Pleasure, Thank you. 102 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. That is health and science journalist 103 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 2: at the Bigacies, a Health Institute Ida Usta joining us 104 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 2: for sustainability conversation this morning.