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Speaker 1: Clement's Manya Tella show. It's twenty five minutes before twelve o'clock.

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Speaker 1: Term for the sharing space. The sharing space is what

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Speaker 1: we do every single Wednesday around this time after the

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Speaker 1: news at eleven thirty, and we share our stories. So

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Speaker 1: anything that happens in your life that you think the

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Speaker 1: seven o two lenders may be interested to know about,

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Speaker 1: or maybe stuff that's happened in your life and you

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Speaker 1: need advice around that, you are welcome to send us

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Speaker 1: an email on CM at seven o two dot co

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Speaker 1: dot z A. I've got an email today from Matt.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to read it and then afterwards we're going

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Speaker 1: to go to your course. If Matt is asking for advice,

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Speaker 1: be kind enough to please share your advice. If Matt

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Speaker 1: is not asking for advice, but it's just sharing what

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Speaker 1: went through what he went through, share your own experiences

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Speaker 1: if this is something you have also experienced. So here

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Speaker 1: we go. Hey, guys, my name is Matt. I work

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Speaker 1: for this multinational company based in Joebik, North but I

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Speaker 1: don't want to mention that name. I've been here for

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Speaker 1: about five years now at this company. I get along

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Speaker 1: with everyone. I'm friendly with all the people in the office.

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Speaker 1: I've actually built a nice close community with some of

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Speaker 1: my colleagues here, and I'm proud to say that I

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Speaker 1: have a diverse group of colleagues that I've come to

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Speaker 1: we do Happy Hour on Fridays, we hike together on weekends,

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Speaker 1: and I've even met most of their families. But there's

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Speaker 1: a concern that I have about what I've noticed lately.

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Speaker 1: I am the only white person among my black friends,

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Speaker 1: and whenever we hang out or do anything, they tend

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Speaker 1: do catch easy terms, you know, like greetings and other

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Speaker 1: in conversations and it's gotten me feeling a bit left out.

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Speaker 1: How do I address this with my friends? I don't

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Speaker 1: want to come across as ignorant or insensitive about something

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Speaker 1: as important as our languages, but I want to know

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Speaker 1: how I can raise this with care and understanding that

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Speaker 1: regards MET. Okay, this is METS conundrum. Are you in

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Speaker 1: a situation similar to this? That's my first question to you,

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Speaker 1: because I know there are people that and it may

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Speaker 1: not be along racial lines. I mean, in this case,

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Speaker 1: Matt is white, his colleagues are black, and sometimes Met

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Speaker 1: says colleagues tend to speak their home languages together, even

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Speaker 1: in conversations that involve him, and that's why he sometimes

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Speaker 1: feels left out and he doesn't know how to raise

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Speaker 1: really appreciate how Met is handling this situation because if

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Speaker 1: it was somebody else, you know, he would feel entitled

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Speaker 1: to people speaking English, right, and you are not entitled

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Speaker 1: to people speaking English around you.

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Speaker 2: You are not.

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Speaker 1: I think in the workplace it's different because if we

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Speaker 1: are in a meeting in a boardroom, why would we

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Speaker 1: it and it's a work meeting. If that company is

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Speaker 1: clear in its policies that English is the language of

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Speaker 1: to respect that. Whether you are an advocate for your

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Speaker 1: you get home or with your other colleagues when you're

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Speaker 1: And I don't think Mett is coming with the attitude

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Speaker 1: of no, they must speak English all the time. I

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Speaker 1: think he's saying, I am feeling a bit left out

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Speaker 1: and I want to know how to deal with this situation.

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Speaker 1: Do I raise it with them?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Do you say to Mett? Maybe, Mett, this is an

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Speaker 1: opportunity for you to go lend sip baby or it's

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Speaker 1: Calser or Sitzwana or Chivender, if that's the language that

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Speaker 1: I do think that you know, if you've got friends

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Speaker 1: and checkings in another language other than yours, you're doing

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Speaker 1: it diservice to yourself. So maybe learn be interested in

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Speaker 1: other people's languages, because they've been interested in yours, and

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Speaker 1: maybe not interested but forced to lend yours. So maybe

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Speaker 1: learn a little bit more about that language that is

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Speaker 1: spoken the most amongst your friends. But in as far

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Speaker 1: as the meeting room is concerned, work, I really think

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Speaker 1: it's unacceptable for you to rock in and start speaking

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Speaker 1: Sebaedi in the bodroop meeting when other people don't even

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Speaker 1: understand what you're saying. What are your thoughts? Oh one one,

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Speaker 1: eight eight three oh seven oh two? What's ups on?

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Speaker 1: Seven two, seven oh two and seven oh two. By

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Speaker 1: the way, I must tell you a story. Once someone

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Speaker 1: of all, why would you assume that I understand Afrikaans

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Speaker 1: I'm black, so the likelihood is that I understand English

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Speaker 1: than Afrikaans. There are other black people, of course, who

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Speaker 1: can speak Afrikaans. But I found it bizarre that this

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Speaker 1: me started speaking Afrikaans and I responded cassipe edy, and

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Speaker 1: he was taken aback and I didn't understand why, because

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Speaker 1: Afrikaans and I responded casipe edy, and he took offense.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, that's weird. You came to me

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Speaker 1: in Afrikaans. That's your home language. I'm responding to you

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Speaker 1: in my home language and you must be okay with that. Otherwise,

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Speaker 1: then speak a language that you and I are compromising

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Speaker 1: in and can understand. Is that wrong to even take

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Speaker 1: that approach? Let me know what your advice is for

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Speaker 1: Mett And if you've been in the shoes before, it's

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Speaker 1: eighteen before twelve the sharp on the Clements Mantela show,

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Speaker 4: Well, Clement, this is cul So the first thing you

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Speaker 4: can do is start learning the majorities language. How about that?

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Speaker 4: Because here my sending a voice note in English and

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Speaker 4: a kind of big Africaan sprat. So let him start

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Speaker 4: there saying while I'm learning, can we talk in Afrikaans?

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Speaker 4: But also I need practice so they will talk in

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: My advice to meet Clement is as follows. If he

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Speaker 5: that at least if he can learn learn one. If

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Speaker 5: the guys most of them speak so too, he must

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Speaker 5: just go and learn so too. That would be an

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Speaker 5: effort from his side to show that he well lose

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Speaker 5: their relationship. Instead of him sulking and sitting on the

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Speaker 5: side and feeling and neglected, he must acknowledge that he's

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Speaker 5: in Africa. We've got majority of Africans and the best

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Speaker 5: way to survive is to learn the people's language. That

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Speaker 5: is as simple as that. It cannot be something that

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Speaker 5: is we should discuss as if it's a it's a tragedy.

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Speaker 5: It's not a tragedy. He must go learn the language human.

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Speaker 6: Good morning, Camment. Yeah, I feel for this guy because

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Speaker 6: I've worked in an environment where even as a black

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Speaker 6: an environment where the people that speak is cross is Zulu,

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Speaker 6: and those people don't compromise. They'll be speaking their language

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Speaker 6: language and then you're just sitting there looking around like

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Speaker 6: you don't understand half the things they're saying. And then, yeah,

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Speaker 6: I just wish people would be more considerate. But if

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Speaker 6: I was this this animous, I would say I would

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Speaker 6: just tell the colleagues that you know what guys are.

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Speaker 6: Unfortunately I can't understand most of the time. Can you

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Speaker 6: please be a bit more accommodating. If not, then just

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Speaker 6: distance yourself. That's what I do. I don't hang out

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Speaker 6: with their languages. So yeah, I understand Eddie from Century.

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Speaker 7: I've experienced that as well. I was once employed by

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Speaker 7: insurance companions who has very Afrikaans. I find myself amongst

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Speaker 7: for the eight Africans in a conference and obviously speaking Afrikaans.

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Speaker 7: I ended up buying Afrikaans cities. I actually fell in

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Speaker 7: love with Africans music, and slowly but surely I got

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Speaker 7: into the twin and today I'm not fluent, but I

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Speaker 7: speak Afrikaans.

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Speaker 1: Thank you interesting. Please share some Afrikaans albums you've been

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Speaker 1: listening to and the ones that you really caught on too.

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Speaker 1: Like to give that a listen, Lionel you calling from

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Speaker 1: johannes By.

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Speaker 8: Good morning, Good morning, good man.

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Speaker 1: How are you.

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Speaker 8: I I'm in the same boat of you where you

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Speaker 8: are in. I'm a black, black skin, colored guy. M

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Speaker 8: hm so and uh, you know, I'm teving to work

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Speaker 8: with the Texan and the people. They're always talked to me.

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Speaker 8: For a course, iverythink I can speak their language. Now

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Speaker 8: at my company I'm working at my first time.

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Speaker 2: When I walk in as I as my first year.

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Speaker 8: When I walked walked in the guys in the sales,

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Speaker 8: the white guy I spoke to me.

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Speaker 9: In Afrikaans, but you couldn't believe it.

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Speaker 8: I can speak Afrikaans dead well. He asked me, where

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Speaker 8: do you little Afrikaans. I looked at him. I said

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Speaker 8: to him, I'm a colored guy. I can look black,

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Speaker 8: but I'm a colored guy, and you couldn't believe it.

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Speaker 8: So and when the guy speak to me in Julu

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Speaker 8: or and then I responded to him and said, listen, sir,

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Speaker 8: I don't want to stand what you're saying. Uh, let's

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Speaker 8: dick English where we can other. So it's a bet

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Speaker 8: afficat for me as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it does happen by the way, that the

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Speaker 1: guy who's approached me in Afrikaans didn't say he thought

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Speaker 1: I am maybe colored. No, it was just I don't know.

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Speaker 1: He felt like, oh, well, I'm Afrikaans and therefore I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna just speak Afrikaans to somebody else and they must respond.

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Speaker 1: And I just felt that's yeah, that's that's an entitlement

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Speaker 1: because then when I respond in my home language, then

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Speaker 1: don't take offens, you know. Otherwise, let's compromise. English is

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Speaker 1: a language of instruction. Let's go with that.

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Speaker 3: Then, Simmons, you tell me what incentive is there for

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Speaker 3: any person who does not speak an African language to

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Speaker 3: learn the vernacular? The workplace is English, the language of

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Speaker 3: South Africa is English. What percentage of the population is

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Speaker 3: actually English or English speaking? Very little? So the only

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Speaker 3: way you're going to get the lungus and whoever else

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Speaker 3: doesn't want to speak all the African vernaculars is to

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Speaker 3: say we are now going to do integration seven oh two.

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Speaker 3: Why don't you allow people to call in, call in

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Speaker 3: and whatever language they want? Yes, translates it then, but

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Speaker 3: at the same time it will spur people to start

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Speaker 3: learning the basic vernacs that they speak in karting, which

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Speaker 3: is going to be Zulu and is it casa. Otherwise

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Speaker 3: we are still going to be talking about this in

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Speaker 3: Should your kids not be going to school learning their

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for the voice. Note in fact, on

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Speaker 1: In fact, we encourage people if you're uncomfortable to speak English,

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Speaker 1: also licensing issues here. Seven oh two is not acipated

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Speaker 1: So my responsibility then is to try translate to the

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Speaker 10: Hi, Clement and Tim. You know Matt's question is taking

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Speaker 11: Clement, maybe I'll also remain anonymous. But to Matt at work,

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Speaker 2: I won't say my name this time. You know, I

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Speaker 2: every time I speak to her, I have to Google translate.

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Speaker 12: High Clement, the lady that questioned the incentive of learning

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Speaker 13: Conferences. And it just seems that English is a lingua

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Speaker 1: I agree,