WEBVTT - Consumer Talk: Vinegar shortage affecting South Africans 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:06.920 Lunch with Piper Hudson and now Consumer Talk featuring Wendy Nola. 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:10.120 Well, it is lovely to have Wendy back with us 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:12.680 in studio today. And as I mentioned earlier, we are 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:15.720 going to be talking about vinegar. You might have heard 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:17.720 less to discussing this on the Breakfast Show a couple 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:20.000 of days ago, the fact that there has been a 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:22.880 vinegar shortage in South Africa that's been having all kinds 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:26.560 of knock on impacts into other product lines. It is 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:29.840 a problem that we understand has largely been rectified, but 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:31.760 a press release that was put out by one of 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:35.600 the local vinegar manufacturers really peaked our interest and Wendy, 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:37.960 it sent you down a very tart vinegar rabbit hole 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:39.400 of sorts, hasn't it? 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:42.800 It has indeed, But I wanted to we're going to 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:45.920 talk about the the visa thing first or at the end, 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:48.400 just well in a minute, okay, yeah, okay, but just 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:49.559 set out for us what we're going. 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:51.080 Where are we going with the vinegar story? 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:56.200 Okay? Sure? So there's yeah, so much to know. And 0:00:56.240 --> 0:01:00.080 I spent probably a ridiculously ridiculous amount of time on this. 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:03.280 So the difference between the various kinds of vinegar we 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:05.280 hear the names that we'ver really given it much thought. 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:08.640 I mean, obviously, white wine vinegar is obvious, read wine vinegar, 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:11.640 which a lot of the top chefs swear by as 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:15.200 a as a staple to deal with, you know, to 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:19.759 cut through too much salt or too much fatter, and 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:22.520 then what to do what you can do with vinegar 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:28.360 beyond the culinary as well as you know. I ended 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:32.640 up being looking at the vinegar mother and what that 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:35.560 I've never heard that term, and how you can actually 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:38.839 it's the base of making vinegar, and you can create 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:42.759 yourself a wonderful mother, yourself with another recipe. It's coming, 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:47.199 it's coming, It's coming. And of course all the household things, 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:49.400 the stags and everything, which is funny, a sad pepper. 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:52.760 When I started consumer journalism all those years ago in 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:55.800 the late nineties on a durban newspaper, this is like 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:58.280 a new consumer column, and a lot of readers on 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:01.960 that urban newspaper weren't really sure because the paper never 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:05.040 had anything like this before what had entailed, and I 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:09.119 totally unexpectedly got in undated, and I mean inundated worth 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:11.600 queries around how do I remove the stain and that 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:13.480 like some kind of you know. 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:16.040 Home math astudio exactly, son. 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:19.079 So there was no Google then, and what I would 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:20.120 do is as ask my. 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:22.640 Mom, and the answer was usually vinegar inside. 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:24.480 It often did involve vinegar. 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:26.440 Yes, okay, so we're going to go there and thank you. 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:29.320 We've had several people sending through your WhatsApps about how 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:32.280 you use vinegar in your home in ways that aren't 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:33.440 quite the norm, shall we say? 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:33.600 So? 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:36.000 Obviously we use it when we make salad dressing. You 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:38.200 use it if you're making your own pickle onions. But 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:41.080 what other applications keep them coming? We are going to 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:43.000 reflect them a little bit later on in the show. 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:45.880 So please tell us about your hacks, whether it's cleaning 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:48.959 and disinfecting or health use. What is the use of 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:51.359 vinegar that you swear by in your house? Pop through 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:55.160 a WhatsApp to seven two five six seven one five 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:58.200 six seven. But before we get stuck into the sour Wendy, 0:02:58.240 --> 0:02:59.880 we have a little suite to share with our own. 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:02.000 Yes, I'm sorry I was jumping the gun there, but 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:05.320 a few minutes ago, so you remember, well, if you 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:08.720 missed last week's show, we heard from Philip Berman about 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:11.040 his agonizing way for a visa that would allow him 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:14.200 to visit his family in Dublin and particularly his beloved 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:16.480 nine year old granddaughter. The two of them have a 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:20.840 very very special bond. So he applied in March at 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:24.680 the time, well before there was told I think at 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:27.400 the time it was nine to twelve weeks at the 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.520 time that you needed. Yeah, that's what was the official line. 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:33.320 He spent thousands on his trip to Cape Town because 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:37.080 he lives in Victoria West and the Northern Cape. He 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:40.880 spent thousands to get you via overnighting and George. 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:44.720 And he also spent thousands on his plane ticket because 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:45.640 they told him he had to book it. 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:48.600 Remember before he applies exactly and he got a he 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:50.320 got a special that's now for him to get the 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:52.880 same ticket would be double. So there was such a 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:56.880 lot of there is such a lot at stake. So 0:03:57.040 --> 0:04:01.320 the good news is that he said me yesterday to 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:04.400 say his name. We spoke about that Irish government portal 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:06.560 that you it is the only means of getting any 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:09.600 information and it is in the form of not an update. 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:12.760 Your name is either there, having you successful and getting 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:14.960 your visa, or it's not there and It was there 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:19.279 on Tuesday when Philip check and I was, you know, 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:23.560 what's happening in all these you know, elated celebratory emotives 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:26.680 and then he was like, no, but there's another problem now. 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:33.240 So there's passports with VFS. I haven't quite established it 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:36.320 for it was in Pretoria or here in Cape Town, 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:39.479 but he had paid. He paid one thousand rand for 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:42.839 that visa to VFS in March. Here in Cape Town, 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:46.520 he paid the Irish government actual visa fee, he paid 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:51.400 the VFF VFS processing fee, and he paid a courier 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:54.960 fee because given that he lives away out he didn't 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:57.599 want to have to make that trip again at the 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:00.080 cost of seven thousand rand return or whatever, so he 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:03.400 thought they can courier it to me. So he doesn't 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:06.560 have his passport in hand, and it's actually quite critical 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:10.119 now because we're sitting It's Wednesday. He flies. His flight 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:14.040 is from Joe Book to Dublin on Tuesday. He has 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:19.080 to overnight in George because at night a lot long story, 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:21.760 so he flies to Georgie overnights he flies, so he 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:26.400 leaves his home essentially bottom line, at one o'clock lunchtime 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:27.200 is on. 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:29.160 Monday, that's the deadline. 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:32.480 He has got to say, sorry, start the tuesday onesday. 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:34.120 Tuesday, so he needs. 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:37.120 To pretty much Monday, because he, I mean, Tuesday morning 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:40.520 is forty late. He needs that. He needs that passport 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:42.839 to be delivered to him in his home on Monday. 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:45.080 And we now how many business days I don't. 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:48.400 Know weekends, Thursday, Friday and Monday. That's three work three busurs. 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:52.480 So yeah, he whatsapped me to say, I've checked with FDIX. 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:57.200 They have not received my passport from VFS. When I applied, 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:00.880 he was handled a FedEx tracking number, he says. FedEx 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:03.800 tells me that they cannot go and pick up the 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:08.880 passport from VFS. They have to wait for VFS to 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:12.960 initiate the process and say come and fetch the come 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:21.719 and get it. So I have emailed VFS's outsourced PR 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:25.839 agency and all the internal addresses that she used to 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:33.160 replied all to say, now, just contact the courier, get 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:36.520 this to happen, because I mean, I know Phillip's anxiety 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:38.839 levels or through the but I've been holding his hand 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:41.480 through this thing and I'm feeling super I haven't got 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:44.080 anything at stake. It's just that I'm living I'm living 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:48.000 sort carries through his stress and feeling. I mean, I 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:51.080 just can't bear that it's now granted, but he still 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:54.000 now has this anxiety over is he actually going to 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:56.560 get the passport in hand before he leaves his home 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:57.960 at lunchtime on Tuesday. 0:06:58.040 --> 0:06:59.800 Well, I hope that when we come to air next 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:01.960 week we will be telling you that Philip is on 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:02.440 a plane. 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:04.480 We'd better on his way. 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:07.400 We'd better, But we will keep you posting on this one, okay. 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:10.280 So Fenger's cross toes crossed everything you can claip us 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:11.480 please for Philip. 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:12.400 That that passport gets there. 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:15.480 There are many others in this situation, and many have missed, 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:17.640 as we read last week, have missed out on important 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:20.320 trips because it just didn't happen. But Philip's now become 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:24.720 our post. 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:25.720 Of yes, okay, So we will let you know the 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:28.880 final chapter of that saga when we chat this time 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:31.520 next week. For now, though, let's let's move on to 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:34.080 the vinegar story and Wendy, I mean, in the course 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:36.880 of looking into what is now actually almost a non 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:39.800 story because the vinegar shortage is coming to an end, 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:42.559 but you found out all kinds of interesting things about 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:45.000 the way it's made, and yes, the real thing versus 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:46.280 the invitations thing, and. 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.760 Why not and fix it up? What's not the normal 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:52.320 thing we do? But it sort of happened just the 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:55.760 way it happened. So the first thing I found out 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:58.080 is that the name means sour wine, which is not 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:01.480 anything that I'd ever contemplated. Even if the VI I 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:04.200 need anything to do with wine, it never occurred to me. 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:09.600 So it is sour wine and the real stuff. I 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:11.600 will talk about the imitation stuff just now, and I 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:14.280 learn something interesting there as well. Is made via a 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:17.440 two step fermentation process. So the first step is that 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:20.440 the sugars are converted to alcohol. The sugars in the 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:24.040 in the grape, the wine grape or the apple or 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:26.440 cider or whatever the case may be converted to well, 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:30.160 then it becomes alcohol. Then a second fermentation converts the 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:35.280 alcohol to acetic acid, which is the main component of vinegar. 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:40.360 And then different kinds of vinegar are created by using 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:45.480 various base ingredients fruits or grains. I do a lot 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:47.960 of Asian cookings always have rice vinegar, and obviously that 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:51.679 comes from ice, which then influences the final flavor. So 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:54.720 apple cider vinegar is made from fermented apple juice. Red 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:57.560 wine vinegar from red wine, and you get the picture 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:01.000 of right wine vinegar. So balsamic vinegar is made by crushing. 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:03.000 And I never really knew this. I never bothered to 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:05.840 find out balsamic vinegar, and it can, I mean it 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:10.320 can be huge, a huge price because of the process 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:13.000 that we've all heard of Maderna and everything. But essentially 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:17.840 it's made by crushing grapes, including the seeds and the stems. Also, 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:20.880 I didn't know that either to create what's called a must. 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:24.520 The must is then simmered to concentrate the sugars and 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:28.160 then fermented. And this is where the expensive bit comes in. 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:30.960 You if you buy the top stuff, it's aged in 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:35.840 wooden barrels for years, often decades, and during that aging 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:40.240 process it's transferred to smaller barrels of different woods, enhancing 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:45.280 the flavor complexity. Traditional balansomic vinegar from Moderna or Reggio 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:50.000 Emilia follows very strict regional standards and regulations and so 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:52.360 that you know, it's like, you know, like whiskey or 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:58.560 wine aged in the woods. And so it made me 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:01.880 think of it long ago when I was still based 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:05.840 in urban a top urban chef contacted me furious because 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:10.000 she'd heard something. Her normal supplier was on leave or something. 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:12.760 I don't know, but she used this new supplier. She 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:16.560 ordered five liters of balsamic vinegar from the supply, and 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:19.839 she paid top price for it, and she delivered this 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:24.080 five liter bottle, unlabeled, just this five liter bottle, and 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:27.520 she said, I want you to taste it. It's absolute rubbish. 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:30.120 And I can't even remember what I did with that story. 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:34.040 But yeah, clearly there's a lot of expensive food ingredients. 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:37.760 We've talked about honey often enough, Olive oils another that 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:41.640 are that are faked, and obviously balsomic vinegar, given that 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:43.480 the good stuff can go for quite a price, is 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:48.199 one of those products that is a subject of food forgery. 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:51.680 Interesting in food in the production market. Okay, so be 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:55.920 aware if you're not paying a good rate for balsomic 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:59.319 vinegan in particular, question whether you are in fact getting 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:01.520 proper vos is the message. 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:03.079 Now, what about the imitation stuff? 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:05.720 Okay, So what I learned that I knew there was 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:11.240 imitation stuff. I wanted to know. You know that you 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:13.560 get some cheap stuff in the supermarket. I use it 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:16.120 for sproat vinegar. I use it as a instead of 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:20.360 a fabric softna with a couple of drops of essential oil. 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:25.440 So I wanted to know, could that be imitation because 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:28.120 it's you know, or would they have to label? So 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:32.480 the food labeling regulations in this country require a label 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:35.040 declaration that says this is imitation. So if the label 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:38.760 doesn't say imitation, and you're buying it from you know, 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:42.680 a reputable outlet store, supermarket, then you can it has 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:45.800 gone through the fermentation process. It has not been in 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:48.480 the beautiful oak barrels and all of that that the 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:51.760 bolsimica goes in. But it's not imitation. It has been 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:54.360 fermented to create vinegar in the traditional way. 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:56.160 How do they create the imitation version? 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:56.439 Okay? 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:58.360 So is there no fermentation in that process? 0:11:58.400 --> 0:11:59.600 No, there's no fermentation. 0:11:59.720 --> 0:11:59.960 Okay. 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:05.000 It's a bit like sparkling wine versus mcc okay, where 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:10.239 then there's certain steps erted wine versus the whole fermentation 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:13.320 that creates the bottom kind of bubble, the natural bubble, 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:16.280 as well as that that deep complex flavor. Right, So, 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:20.559 with imitation vinegar, which incidentally is used by most fish 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:25.840 and chip shops, chippies in the UK because it is 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:30.880 it's a it's cheaper, and they add a caramel coloring. 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:33.880 Basically what they do is mixed water, acetic acid and 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:37.680 flavorings and colorings to give it that caramel color. And 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:40.520 because it's so widely you some people say they prefer 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:42.600 it because it's what they become used to, like some 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:45.760 people would prefer margurine butter because it's what what they know, 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:49.000 what they know. So so yeah, if you don't see 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:53.840 the word imitation vinegar in this country, it is has 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:57.360 gone through the fermentation process. In the UK they call 0:12:57.440 --> 0:13:01.640 it non brewed condiment, which will tell you it ferment 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:05.520 it hasn't been brewed NBC for short, so that they 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:06.960 have to say on the label NBC. 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:09.320 Okay, So the brown stuff in the chippy is not 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:11.000 necessarily actually probably. 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:12.480 Unless it's a very high end niche. 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:15.880 I mean, one application where I can see that being 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:18.559 necessary is if you've got a cleontell that includes a 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:20.880 lot of Muslim customers who aren't got alcohol, you bought 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:23.040 a product that hasn't been fermented, so that is you 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:26.320 could use the imitation exactly. And for people who I 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:29.440 mean totalers for any other reasons, Yeah, Okay, so just 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:32.160 be aware of that there are imitation vinegars, aren't there, 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:34.080 but they need to be labeled as such if you're 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:36.480 buying them here in South Africa, So just read your 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:38.840 labels carefully if you want to be sure you get 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:40.800 the real thing that tells me that the stuff up 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:44.480 or into my fabric software section of my washing machine 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:49.200 is actually has been fermented in the traditional sense, just 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:52.520 has been It is not using premium agreement ingredients of 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:55.520 apples and things. After the break, we're going to share 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:58.000 some of your tips, but quickly before we get there, Wendy, 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:00.400 just to recap. The vinegar shortages come to. 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:02.959 An end, we understand. But what was the main cause 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:03.160 of that? 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:05.800 Okay, so there were a few. There was a whole 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:08.440 lot of things that came together, the rising cost of 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:12.840 raw materials, logistics constraints, surging demand across the food and 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:16.360 industrial sectors, and I think what tipped it over was 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:19.080 a major of in nego manufacturer in South Africa, l 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:24.080 is HL wholesaler Sorry shut down last year after a 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:28.320 size investigation led to the discovery of false export documents, 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:31.280 and the owner was sentenced to fifteen years in prison 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:34.480 for taxis Okay, so a whole link that was that 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:35.760 was a major supply. 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:38.280 Yeah, okay, so it's kind of a perfect storm of 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:42.440 factors coming together. And of course, as this made us realize, Wendy, 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:45.160 it wasn't just the vinegar that got harder to find, 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:48.160 was all the other products vinegar is a component of, 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:51.320 like mayonnaise, like salad dressings, like tomatoes, sauce. 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:55.440 The packaging. It felt the knock on impact. Everybody felt it. 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:57.720 It was there was there was a problem with industrial 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:01.080 packaging as well at some point, and that affected and 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:02.520 the supply of vinego as well. 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:04.480 So, as you say, a real perfect storm. 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:06.560 Okay, So, but the good news is it does seem 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:09.000 like that storm is moving on now and the supply 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:12.960 chain is getting back to normal. So after the news, okay, 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:16.360 we've got suggestions pouring in, which is wonderful. We're going 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:18.320 to share those with you. We're also going to share 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:20.880 Wendy's recipe for the vinegar mother. If you want to 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:23.520 try and make your own at home, and if anybody 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:26.680 listening has already done so, please do pop through a 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:29.520 WhatsApp voice note or text and tell us what you 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:31.880 learned in the process. Was it easy was it difficult? 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:33.920 Did it taste as good as the shop bought stuff? 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:36.320 How long did it last? What do we need to 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:39.000 know that you discovered by trial and error? Make it 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:41.240 easier for the rest of us? Oh seven two five 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:43.680 six seven one five six seven. 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:49.120 Casal consumer talk. WhatsApp on? O seven to two five 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:51.560 six seven one five six seven. 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:56.480 Right, let's dive into the many interesting uses for vinegar 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:58.920 that we've all found. And I say we because I 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:01.240 use it sort of label if you like, in my 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:05.400 house in two ways. Wendy as a cleaning agent. So 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:07.800 obviously I keep the balsamic, the raspberry vinegar, the wine 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:10.520 when it gets said for cooking, but for cleaning purposes. 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:12.680 There are two or three things I swear by it, 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:14.720 and I always, as a result, have a big bottle 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:18.160 of just playing spirit vinegar in the kitchen block drains 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:21.640 a mixture of bi carb and white and spirit vinegar fizzers. 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:25.040 I swear by its chemicals. From the drain cleaners. 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:27.720 You pour some bi carb powder into the affected drain 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.200 and then splash over the white wine vinegar, and the 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:35.040 reaction that it creates is instant physical spying, very satisfying, 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:38.080 and more importantly, does the trick. Second one is I 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:40.720 use it every six months or so I give my 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:43.400 washing machine a good cleanout. I do that too, Vinegar 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:46.880 into the drum, bikarb into the fabric. 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:48.840 Softness, good for dealing with soap scum. 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:50.760 Yeah, and just running on the hottest cycle and it 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:52.480 lifts all the scum off the inside of the drum. 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:54.440 And then the third thing is very similarly if you 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:57.400 wanted to clean your air fryer, and anybody who has 0:16:57.440 --> 0:16:59.640 tried to clean the inside of an air fryer knows 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:02.240 how to cult it is a little bit of vinegar 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:05.680 into the bottom with some boiling water. I think I 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:07.320 had a half a cup of vinegar and two cups 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:10.000 of boiling water. You run it on its highest heat 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:12.080 for about five minutes and then leave it to sit 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:15.639 and steam for about ten minutes. Take out the drawer, 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:17.359 pour out the vinegar, and just give it a wipe 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:19.600 down with some kitchen cloth. And you can wipe the 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:21.679 element as well by then, because the element is cooled 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:24.920 and all that lovely steam has cleaned off all the gunk. 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.119 So those are the three cleaning purposes I use it 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:30.280 for in my house. Let's take a look at what 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:33.680 you are doing. Patricia says, vinegar is an absolute and 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:36.520 must in our home. I add it to my linen's wash. 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:39.960 It makes it fresh and brightens the whites. It gets 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:43.360 rid of ants, mixed with bicarb. It cleans drains, yes, 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:46.160 it does. She's got another one for that combination though. 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:49.879 It cleans stainless steel cutlery. I hadn't saw that one, 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:52.600 She says. I've also used it to clean the extractor 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:55.120 fan and hood over the stove, and that would make sense, 0:17:55.240 --> 0:18:00.280 very similar to the air fryer story of use to 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:02.440 get into those very hard little nooks and crannies of 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:05.280 the heating elements, et cetera, and extracta energy. 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:06.960 You don't have to worry about what chemicals are going 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:08.880 to go in there. Maybe interact with your foo food. 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:12.359 Later on, because it's a food grade product. Danny says, 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:14.879 on a dry sunny day, I spray vinegar on the 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:18.280 weeds and the moss on the pool paving and the driveway, 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:22.520 and it kills them. Trish says, I swear by this mixture. 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:24.280 I've passed it on to all of my friends as 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:27.680 a cleaning mixture. A good squirt of sunlight liquid three 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:30.840 good glugs of white vinegar. Put that in a spray bottle, 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:33.000 fill it up to the top with hot tap water 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:36.200 and put the spray nozzle on. Mix it all up, 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:38.680 and then use this mixture when doing dishes by hand, 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:41.639 especially for greasy frying plans. You just spray it on 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:44.760 scrub with a long handled dishbrush and watch it magically 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:48.600 clean everything. I also use this on collars and cuffs, 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:53.640 on counters, mirrors, windows, the shower door, the bathrooms. It 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:56.960 gets rid of smells quickly. It decreases build up quickly. 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:00.440 Don't make it too strong because you don't want to 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:03.520 have to rinse. Approximate measurements or one teaspoon of sunlight 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:06.120 to three dessert spoons of white vinegar to five hundred 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:09.159 miles of hot water and Trisha. Interestingly, that's the recipe 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:12.200 I was given as a toilet spray during the drought crisis. 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:14.840 We're trying not to flush, and I've still got that 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:18.879 bottle in my kitchen in my bathroom, exact same measurements 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:22.480 teaspoon of sunlight liquid, three dessert spoons of white vinegar, 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:25.560 and five hundred miles of hot water. So Trisha's all 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:30.840 purpose cleaner is made with those ingredients. Jill says, I 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:33.800 made apple cider vinegar, which was quite an experiment. I've 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:36.359 still got bottles and bottles of it. I drink it 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:39.199 with some sparkling water. Now here we go. Some of 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:41.679 my bottles produced a mother, which I never knew what 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:43.800 to do with, so I just bottled them in vinegar 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:46.000 and then I had to chuck them out recently because 0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:48.200 they were so disgusting. And the biggest problem I had 0:19:48.280 --> 0:19:50.840 was fruit flies. Where they came from, I don't know. 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:53.480 I then read to put some apple side of vinegar 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:56.960 and sunlight liquid in a small container, which would drown them. 0:19:57.560 --> 0:20:01.679 It was huge fun. Now sorry about sorry for the 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:05.440 fruit flies. When need explain to us what the mother is, please. 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:08.040 Okay, So now I've got to find it in my 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:12.880 notes because we've gone Okay. So it's a gloopy, jelly 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:16.119 like blob of cellulars like I would say, more of 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:19.200 a disc lot, more of a disc than a clob 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:25.119 that would sit at the top of the liquid. So 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:29.600 it transforms alcohol into tangy, tasty vinegar, and it can 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:31.680 go on to make many many more batches. I don't 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:34.600