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Speaker 1: Seven. We are into our heritage half hour now celebrating

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Speaker 1: Livingston High School's centenary.

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Speaker 2: This is katotal.

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Speaker 1: In our heritage and history segment. Today we're spotlighting a

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Speaker 1: local school that's marking one hundred years of resilience, of excellence,

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Speaker 1: and of community driven education in Caton. And I'm very

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Speaker 1: sad that mister clarens Ford is not here for this

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Speaker 1: conversation because I do believe he is an esteemed alumnus

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Speaker 1: of the school. It was founded in nineteen twenty six

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Speaker 1: and has, through the efforts of civic leaders educators, created

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Speaker 1: opportunities for children of color as the school has grown

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Speaker 1: into a symbol of perseverance and academic achievement, as well

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Speaker 1: as loads of influential alumni. If you are an alumnus

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Speaker 1: of Livingston High School and you want to share any calls,

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Speaker 1: any comments, and memories, you're more than welcome to do that.

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Speaker 1: Please do two one four four six or five six

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Speaker 1: five six seven. Joining me in the studio is missus

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Speaker 1: Raliah Ghani, who is the current principal at Livingston High School. Welcome,

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Speaker 1: thank you, And then on the line, I have Simon Bunder,

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Speaker 1: who is a former teacher as well as former principal.

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Speaker 2: Mister Bunder, you there, I'm right here.

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Speaker 1: Oh, fantastic, fantastic, welcome and thank you for coming in

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Speaker 1: to share the story with us today. I think I

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Speaker 1: want to start with you, Raliah. For someone who has

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Speaker 1: never heard of Livingston High School, if you were to

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Speaker 1: and it's impact, what would you what would you say?

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Speaker 3: Thank you Saska. The school For myself, I think, my opinion,

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Speaker 3: creates the opportunity for our learners to just become whatever

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Speaker 3: they put their mind to. And of course we nurture them,

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Speaker 3: we guide them, and we want them to become critical thinkers,

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Speaker 3: endure and accomplish just so much.

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Speaker 1: And I mean the school's been doing that for a

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Speaker 1: hundred years. Yes, So it started off like that. It

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Speaker 3: Yes, the vision was always to create the opportunity for

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Speaker 3: our learners. The late doctor abdu Rahman was the one

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Speaker 3: who of course pursued making sure that the school was

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Speaker 3: established in nineteen twenty six, and I think the vision

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Speaker 3: was always going to be to create a platform for

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Speaker 1: Mister bunder Simon, I want to bring you in now

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Speaker 1: with one hundred years of Livingston High School within the

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Speaker 1: South African context and maybe just a little bit more

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Speaker 1: broadly in the history of education. In your view, what

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Speaker 1: do you think has been the school's most significant contribution

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Speaker 1: over the last one hundred years.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think that reaching this centennial milestone is far

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Speaker 2: more than just about longevity. I think what is important

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Speaker 2: is that the school stands not nearly as a monument,

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Speaker 2: but a movement, and it is a testiny to the

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Speaker 2: triumph and vision and result that comes with principles enshrined

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Speaker 2: in the school's vision and mission. And so there is

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Speaker 2: not a moment, I believe, but I believe it is

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Speaker 2: in fact a movement over one hundred years during which

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Speaker 2: there has been the persistent, continuous, the resilient movement to

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Speaker 2: give back to children of color the very dignity and

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Speaker 2: the self worth that they were denied by the state

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Speaker 2: at that time. And with that kind of dignity and

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Speaker 2: self worth, I think education can be then facilitated in

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Speaker 2: they work much better. And this is what the school

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Speaker 2: has been done doing over one hundred years, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, Ralier, this commitment to quality education and human dignity.

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Speaker 1: It seems so difficult for a school in South Africa

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Speaker 1: face of real systemic constraints and of course an entire

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Speaker 1: undermine that kind of vision. I mean, how do you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe that one of the things that I

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Speaker 3: And I think living up to that myself as a

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Speaker 3: Every child that sits in front of me, I treat

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Speaker 3: get respect. But in terms of yes, treat the child

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Speaker 1: So tell us about the centenary program for the year.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what do you guys have planned in key

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Speaker 3: We're having our founders they officially we've had one on

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Speaker 3: the twenty six of feb but we're having this coming Friday,

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Speaker 3: So that that's Friday, But on Saturday were very excited

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Speaker 3: I think extremely grateful myself included for an alumni that

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Speaker 3: has become probably one of our biggest supporters and partnered

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Speaker 3: with us for the centinary celebrations and so yes, they

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Speaker 3: will also be responsible for the garlic dinner which we

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Speaker 3: will be having in October as well as in that

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Speaker 3: we are oam the wide world over. So yeah, coming

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Speaker 3: for that weekend in October. They will be coming for

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Speaker 3: the gard at dinner as well as our annual golf.

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Speaker 1: Day fantastic living our Betts Clarence involved already.

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Speaker 3: Yes, mister Bander has signed him up, I believe, so yes,

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Speaker 3: have you.

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Speaker 1: Already signed him up? Mister Vanda, He has no options.

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Speaker 2: He has a commitment and obligation to the school that

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Speaker 2: hassisted him to his part of success, and he does

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Speaker 2: that voluntary, by the way, without coercion.

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Speaker 3: Francesca just to say that on Saturday, we the alumni

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Speaker 3: will be of course also launching the centennial book all right,

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Speaker 3: which we are extremely proud and happy about. And we

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Speaker 3: also have a group of learners who have of course

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Speaker 3: past learners who have come together to do a reprint

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Speaker 3: of mister Dudley.

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Speaker 1: Ro Dudley, Oh great, the book.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so these will all be available on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: So we're hoping that people will come in the numbers,

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Speaker 3: Livingstonians particularly, so that is this Saturday.

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Speaker 1: You guys have got quite a lot of construction happening

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Speaker 3: Yes there is, but we've made provision for that, so

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Speaker 3: they'll be parking right next door at Rosby Primary School.

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Speaker 3: And yeah so, And of course I'm sure that the excitement,

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Speaker 3: with that excitement to want to be there, you wouldn't

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Speaker 1: Absolutely not. We are talking all about the centenary of

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Speaker 1: Livingston High School. We are talking to Rali Aganio is

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Speaker 1: the current principal, and of course mister Simon Bunder, who

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Speaker 1: is a former teacher and principal, is on the line

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Speaker 1: with us. Mister Bunder, Simon, if I can ask you,

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Speaker 1: what role does the alumni Association play in preserving and

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Speaker 1: advancing a school like Livingston High.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm so glad you raised that question. Because the

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Speaker 2: school stands on the shoulders of those who have gone before.

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Speaker 2: The founders and teachers of the past built an institution

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Speaker 2: under conditions of exclusion and deliberate deprivation. Then, indeed, do

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Speaker 2: those who benefit have a moral obligation? I think the

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Speaker 2: moral logic is inescapable. We are because Livingstone was in

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Speaker 2: Stall ease today. And so this legacy that Livingston has

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Speaker 2: as graciously bestowed on us is premised on a simple principle,

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Speaker 2: but an enduring belief that every child, regardless of social circumstances,

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Speaker 2: has a right to quality education. And I think that this,

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Speaker 2: this particular centenary should be not only a celebration of

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Speaker 2: the past, but I think it needs to be a

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Speaker 2: commitment to the future of the school, particularly by those

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Speaker 2: who benefited from the school. As I say, there is

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Speaker 2: a moral there is a moral imperative that is so important.

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Speaker 2: So essentially he must therefore become a turning point. I

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Speaker 2: believe it has to be a renewal of a covenant

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Speaker 2: with a school. And so as we journey through life,

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Speaker 2: it is what we leave beyond that becomes the measure

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Speaker 2: of our lives. And so let us not betray the

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Speaker 2: legacy that Livingstone has left for us as a lumna.

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Speaker 1: It is so so beautifully said, very very beautifully said.

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Speaker 1: And I think for people who might be listening, who

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Speaker 1: like you said, Livingstonians there everywhere if they if there

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Speaker 1: How would they be able to do that earlier?

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Speaker 3: Oh, they could do it. I would prefer that we

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Speaker 3: actually do it through the alumni. Great, but the school

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Speaker 3: the contact numbers for the school. I think the contact

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Speaker 3: many years that have been there. But then through the

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Speaker 3: we want to do after of course Saturday is also

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Speaker 3: to put out the what are the needs for the school?

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Speaker 3: What is it that our kids need, you know, for

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Speaker 3: offer to the learners. So yeah, watch out for that

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Speaker 3: on all the media platforms. Well, we'll be sharing all

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Speaker 3: of that and now they can get it matched with us.

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Speaker 2: Yes, with Ghani. Do you mind if I.

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Speaker 3: Just added to that, Yes you may.

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Speaker 2: But the Alumna Association is not nearly about collecting money. Yes,

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Speaker 2: it's about the expertise of alumna. It's about the mentorship

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Speaker 2: But it is to create a network of opportunity for

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Speaker 2: current learners, but perhaps more importantly, to become visible role

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Speaker 2: models to affirm what Livingston Education has made possible for

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Speaker 2: a Luna and continues to do for current studies.

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Speaker 1: I mean earlier, surely you speak about wanting to provide

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Speaker 1: for the needs of the learners in the school over

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Speaker 1: the years. Have these needs changed much or have they

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Speaker 1: basically remained the same, because I'm sure the demographics have

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Speaker 3: The needs of the learners have definitely to us about

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Speaker 3: that a little bit. We've got learners currently that we

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Speaker 3: have got to know that we we we are one

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Speaker 3: of the schools, a few schools, I must say, particularly

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Speaker 3: And since we've had somebody of that nature, we've come

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Speaker 3: to realize many things about our learners that we didn't

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Speaker 3: realize before, because they would open up to her more

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Speaker 3: than they would perhaps open up to one of us.

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Speaker 3: And so, yes, when when I look at the need

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Speaker 3: so that together with the counselor just to perhaps letch

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Speaker 1: You know, I love you say that. I interviewed doctor

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Speaker 3: What would you do? Make it personal?

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Speaker 1: What would you do? And he said, they don't ask

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Speaker 2: demographics of the kids at school have changed. Many must

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for that, Simon. This is where

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Speaker 1: If you know a Livingstonian, tell they've heard it on

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Speaker 1: the radio. They are opening up Founder's Day this coming Friday,

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Speaker 1: but more importantly that open day on Saturday. Please go

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Speaker 1: pop into the school, go and take a walk around.

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Speaker 1: Who knows who you're going to run into. It's probably

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Speaker 1: going to be the most fantastic day. Any last words

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Speaker 1: from you, Ralia.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for this opportunity. Firstly, yes, I want to

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Speaker 3: see you in numbers, all right, It's going to be

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Speaker 3: a beautiful day.

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Speaker 1: Excellent.

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Speaker 2: And you simon, mister Vanda, well, i'd nearly say that.

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Speaker 2: As I've said before, Living Stony is not nearly a

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Speaker 2: a living monument. It is a living movement anchored in history,

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Speaker 2: resoluting purpose and still illuminating the path for those who

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Speaker 2: come after us as alumni.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Miss Gharni, as well as mister

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Speaker 1: Bunder from Livingston High School celebrating their centenary this year

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Speaker 1: with lots on the go, but you can start with

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Speaker 1: popping into that open day on Saturday. Of course. The

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Speaker 1: school is in Claremont,