WEBVTT - Margret Arnolds has been re-elected as Speaker of Council in Johannesburg.

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<v Speaker 1>Right twenty one minutes past three. The City of Johannesburg

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<v Speaker 1>now has a new speaker. I refer to all of

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<v Speaker 1>this a little bit before as musical chairs. If people

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<v Speaker 1>are not familiar with the game, it's usually played by

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<v Speaker 1>children at parties, and the music plays and the kids

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<v Speaker 1>move around chairs or whatever it is, and when the

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<v Speaker 1>music stops you have to stop. That is all harmless fun.

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<v Speaker 1>I would humbly suggest that the constant changing of significant

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<v Speaker 1>positions in the executive of running the largest metro and

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest economic hub in the country is not harmless

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<v Speaker 1>fun at all. It doesn't seem to me to achieve

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<v Speaker 1>anything productive at all. Nevertheless, we do have a new speaker,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is Margaret Arnold's. She was until recently MMC

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<v Speaker 1>for Finance. It's not a position she held for particularly long,

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<v Speaker 1>and by the way, she was formerly for a while

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<v Speaker 1>also the speaker of the House. I guess we will

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<v Speaker 1>be looking or hearing about because nobody's asked us for

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<v Speaker 1>our views, so to say we're looking is really missing

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<v Speaker 1>the point. But there will be a new MMC for

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<v Speaker 1>Finance unless there is one already and I missed it.

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<v Speaker 1>But somebody's not missing any of this is our EWN

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<v Speaker 1>colleague to bisk over Tubby's so good afternoon. So Margaret

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<v Speaker 1>Arnold's is now the new speaker. Was it convincing and

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<v Speaker 1>does the margin of victory, if it was convincing, suggest

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<v Speaker 1>we might have some stability at least for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean the local government elections only next year,

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<v Speaker 2>so the stability, the stability is only going to be

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<v Speaker 2>for a year, for you end a few months. But

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<v Speaker 2>the victory was convincing. John, Margaret Arnold's got one hundreds

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<v Speaker 2>and thirty seven votes. She was up against the DA's

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<v Speaker 2>Alex Christians who got sixty eight and the UDM who

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<v Speaker 2>got five. Now, obviously Margaret Annolds was backed by the

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<v Speaker 2>a n C lead coalition, which obviously features the ATM,

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<v Speaker 2>the a C al JEMA and the Patriotic Alliance Market

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<v Speaker 2>Arnold's John becomes the fifth speaker since the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>one local government elections. And and you know, as you're

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<v Speaker 2>saying around those musical chase, I think you know we've

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<v Speaker 2>seen all when you look at the mayors. We've also

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<v Speaker 2>seen five mayors since the one local government elections. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's interesting. I was only recently, at an

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<v Speaker 2>event John with the former city manager, the mayor, the

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<v Speaker 2>current mayor. Do the more is also there and the

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<v Speaker 2>former city manager, mister Trevor Fowler, said that these constant

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<v Speaker 2>changes of executive leadership.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, they bring up a decline.

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<v Speaker 2>They sort of the hearts of the decline of Johannesburg

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<v Speaker 2>because every time you change, you change a mayor, change

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<v Speaker 2>a speaker, change someone in an executive they come in

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<v Speaker 2>with a fresh new perspective, a fresh new agenda, and

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<v Speaker 2>this obviously disrupts those people that fall under it the

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<v Speaker 2>way they have to constantly adapt to the new person's

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<v Speaker 2>new agenda and new mandates. And he says, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>at some point we're going to have to have some

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<v Speaker 2>sort of stability if Johannesburg is going to return to

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<v Speaker 2>his glory days. I'm from Durban, so I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what the glory days for Chranspur look like.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's okay, some people might have forgotten them who've

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<v Speaker 1>lived there all their lives, like me. But let me

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<v Speaker 1>ask you this just in conclusion, Tubby, So do we

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<v Speaker 1>have a new MMC for finance?

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<v Speaker 3>So is that still to be settled? That's still to

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<v Speaker 3>be settled.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't expect that Margaret Arnold's is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>both Speaker and MMC. She's likely going to resign. The

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<v Speaker 2>mayor data Morero is out of the country, so obviously

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<v Speaker 2>he will have to come back. There will be a

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<v Speaker 2>coalition meeting and a new MMC for Finance will be appointed.

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<v Speaker 2>We do obviously it's an appointment position, so obviously there

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<v Speaker 2>won't be any sort of elections and will be appointed

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<v Speaker 2>within the coalition agreement.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you very much, Tubby Goobe.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, honestly, really, I would like to know and

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to argue with me and tell me

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<v Speaker 1>I'm flat out wrong, people who are involved in any

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<v Speaker 1>of the parties in the governing coalition. My distinct impression

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<v Speaker 1>is that you've got a coalition that allows you to

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<v Speaker 1>exercise power. Within that you then allocate various positions that

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<v Speaker 1>are more have more to do with political balance and

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<v Speaker 1>issues of political large ess than they do have anything

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<v Speaker 1>to do with expertise and skills fit for purpose to

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<v Speaker 1>run particular positions. I'm not saying for a minute that

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<v Speaker 1>there may not be some competent people in the mix,

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<v Speaker 1>but they don't seem to stay there and they don't

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<v Speaker 1>seem to have enough competent people around them to actually

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<v Speaker 1>make a difference to what needs doing in Joeburg.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd love to be wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you want to come in and say I'm

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<v Speaker 1>missing the point, I'm being unfair, trust me.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm keen to here. But I want to hear an argument.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to hear an argument that is bad up

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<v Speaker 1>with some substance, please, so if you know where to

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<v Speaker 1>get us, Oh, double one eight A three O seven

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<v Speaker 1>O two looks like a hot mess to me.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd love to be wrong. Twenty six minutes past three