1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: You're with Clement Manya Taylor on seven Let's Walk the 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: Talk streaming on the Prime Media plus. 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 2: Ad DearS TV channel eight five six. 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: Ninety two point seven and one O six FM. 5 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 2: Eight minutes after nine o'clock. Do you Mila. Welcome to 6 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 2: the Clement Manya Tela Show on this eleventh day of March. 7 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,119 Speaker 2: It's great too heavy with us here on seven oh two. 8 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 2: I hope you are well this morning. We start the 9 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 2: show with the seven oh two open line on oh 10 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 2: one one eighty three, oh seven oh two. You can 11 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 2: send your whatsups as well on oh seven two seven 12 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 2: oh two one seven two. Hello. If you're watching us 13 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 2: on YouTube, you welcome to put your comments there as well. 14 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 2: On our YouTube if you're watching and listening to the 15 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 2: show at the same time, if you want to do that, 16 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 2: it's very easy, just go to the seven oh two 17 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: YouTube page. So here's a question. Should the US Ambassador 18 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 2: to South Africa, Leo Bosel the third be expelled and 19 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 2: declared persona nongrata? That's what the eff is calling for. 20 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 2: I mean, this man has literally just arrived in the 21 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 2: country and he has already rappled feathers. This is what 22 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 2: he said at the BUSINWS twenty twenty six conference, which 23 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 2: has several parties and politicians hot under the collar. 24 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 3: The United States is I should look at this way too. 25 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 3: We're running out of patients. We believe that. More and 26 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 3: more it becomes a statement by the South African government 27 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 3: when it doesn't want to respond to simple questions that 28 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:57,679 Speaker 3: we have. We may not get clarity on they killed 29 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 3: the board chan that that we believe is hate speech. 30 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I don't care what your courts say. It's 31 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 3: hate speech. We believe that there is clarity on the appropriation. 32 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 3: We believe we can find these things, but the South 33 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 3: African government has to step up to the plate. So 34 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 3: at this point, what I'm saying to the business community, 35 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 3: you do too? Uh what what? I don't have patience 36 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 3: for now? And else I'll be very blunt here. I'm 37 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 3: known for being blunt. This is why the President asked 38 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 3: me to do this. But but but I don't. I 39 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 3: don't want to hear businesses say one thing publicly and 40 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 3: another thing privately. 41 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 2: So here are a few things that I have issues with. 42 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 2: And let me tell you what I think, and I 43 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 2: would like to hear if you agree and what your 44 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 2: thoughts are. First of all, you know, let me preface 45 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 2: this in the interest of transparency by saying that I 46 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 2: had an off record meeting with this ambassador about a 47 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 2: week or so ago, and it was offer record, so 48 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 2: I can't necessarily share what we discuss. But he's going 49 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 2: to be coming on the show soon. We're still aligning 50 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 2: our diaries and you will hear from him what his 51 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 2: views are and will ask him the questions that need 52 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 2: to be asked. But to be honest, the meeting with 53 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: him was quite frank. I mean, he struck me as 54 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 2: someone who listens, who is interested to hear other people's viewpoints, 55 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 2: as much as he may disagree with them. You know, 56 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 2: he's willing to be criticized himself or have his government 57 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 2: criticized the government here represents, so all in all, it 58 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 2: was a frank meeting. You know, agreed to disagree on 59 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 2: a few things. But as I said, he will come 60 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 2: on the show soon to articulate what his mandate is 61 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 2: here in South Africa and what is he unhappy about 62 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 2: as an ambassador of the US. Now, I have with 63 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 2: you a few things that I take issue with with 64 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 2: what he said. Number one, you don't come to our 65 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 2: country and tell us that you don't care what our 66 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 2: courts say. In this country, we have three arms of 67 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 2: the state. The judiciary is one of the arms of 68 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 2: the state, and we respect the judiciary in this country. 69 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 2: So I find his comment that he doesn't care what 70 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 2: the courts say about the Dubulipunu song arrogant. I find 71 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 2: it to be disrespectful to our institutions. Does that mean 72 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 2: that he can't disagree with our courts, No, it doesn't 73 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 2: mean that. In fact, he can say that he holds 74 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 2: a different view to what our courts have ruled around 75 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 2: the song, but you cannot say to your hosts you 76 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 2: don't care what their courts say. I think this conduct 77 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 2: is undiplomatic, but I don't think he should be expelled 78 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 2: for that. I don't think his conduct crosses the threshold 79 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 2: of insulting the country or the head of state. And 80 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 2: that's why I disagree agree with the eff that he 81 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 2: should be expelled and declared persona nan grata. Maybe a 82 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 2: dimache will be issued by our government for him to 83 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 2: come and explain what he meant by his comments, But 84 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 2: I don't think this on runs an expulsion. What do 85 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 2: you think number two. During his address, he referred to 86 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 2: this and I'll call it a mutually beneficial relationship because 87 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 2: it is the mutually beneficial relationship our country has with 88 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 2: the US based companies, like whether it's Google, Microsoft, Amazon, 89 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 2: and others. I mean, they're just over five hundred US 90 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 2: companies that operate in this country, and it seems like 91 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 2: he's using them as leverage. Yes, these companies, undoubtedly they 92 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 2: contribute to employment in our country. They conversely extract profit 93 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 2: from our economy. In fact, the EFF put it so 94 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 2: well in their statement that any suggest that their commercial 95 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 2: presence in South Africa is a sign of goodwill and 96 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 2: commercial diplomacy by the US is actually quite wild. It is, 97 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 2: and it's puzzling that he wants to suggest that the 98 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 2: private sector of the United States and the companies that 99 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 2: are operating in South Africa represent a measure of some 100 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 2: political goodwill which somehow can be withdrawn at some point 101 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 2: if there's dissatisfaction from the Americans. And in fact, the 102 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 2: EFF in their statement this morning, say they highly doubt 103 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 2: that these companies perceive their investment in South Africa as 104 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 2: an extension of President Donald Trump's political ambitions. So they 105 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 2: doubt that the companies would appreciate actually being used as 106 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 2: leverage in diplomatic relations. So do you think this warrants 107 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 2: for him to be declared persona non grata, I don't 108 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 2: think so. Do you think this warrants for his expulsion? 109 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 2: I don't think so, And I have had conversations with 110 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 2: a few people in government who also don't really think 111 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 2: that it is that extreme. But I think the consensus 112 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 2: is there. These comments were undiplomatic. They are undiplomatic. You 113 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 2: come to a host your host country, and you want 114 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 2: to tell the host country you don't care about their 115 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 2: independent institutions and what they say. That is wild. Maybe 116 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 2: in America that's how things work. Maybe you don't care 117 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 2: about what the gods say in America. Not here in 118 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 2: this country. These are independent institutions and we respect them 119 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 2: as one of the final lines of defense in our society.