1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,679 Speaker 1: Well, you can imagine the situation at petrol stations around 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: the country. Government confirming it'll cut the fuel levee by 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,959 Speaker 1: three round e litera but petrol going up by over 4 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:11,319 Speaker 1: three round a liter, diesel up seven round a liter 5 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: from midnight in Kosikona, Malinga and Nissi is the e 6 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: WN reporter who's been out and about, still at at 7 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: one of the garages in Santin in Cosyconic. Good evening 8 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: to you. You've been in Santin, You've been driving around 9 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: other places as well. What have you seen today? What 10 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: are drivers telling you? 11 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, good evening to you. As Stephen, I think the 12 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 2: reality is really setting in for many of the drivers 13 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 2: that are the scaged with today, and it's certainly clear 14 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 2: now that this is no April fool joke. This is 15 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 2: the huge reality for South African motives, and many of 16 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 2: them saying that Stephen, that they are already buckling under 17 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 2: a pressure and that this only signals even half the 18 00:00:55,960 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 2: times ahead for them. So I'm at one of the 19 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 2: petrol stations on Race and Drive and I can tell you, Steven, 20 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:08,479 Speaker 2: that the line is backed up right onto the busy 21 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 2: routes here and many of the motors have engaged with 22 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: saying we were really trying to get out of work 23 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 2: as quickly as we potentially could have to try and 24 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 2: then make it on time before the clock strikes at midnight, 25 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 2: which is of course, as you've mentioned, Stephen, when we're 26 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 2: expecting those new petrol apprices to come into effect. And 27 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 2: I can also tell you that this particular petrol station, Stephen, 28 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 2: has also devided some form of strategy to ensure that 29 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 2: it can control the volume of vehicles here. So they 30 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 2: are essentially finding ways blocking off some sections of the 31 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 2: petrol garage to ensure that they can do this as 32 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: orderly as possible. As I said, the traffic is going 33 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 2: onto the road and hence also there's concerns around the 34 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 2: safety of the motors in those particular vehicles. But it 35 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 2: seems for the petrol attendance for the stuff at the 36 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 2: central station, and I can only safely assume across the 37 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 2: country is going to be a very busy nighte And 38 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: you also touched on this a little bit in your interest. 39 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 2: Even the concern around the shortage, I mean governments that 40 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 2: continues to insist that there is enough supply nationally, but 41 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 2: really the situation on the ground where you look at 42 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 2: birth other reports even from other provinces that some petrol 43 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 2: stations are already putting limits to how much fuel consumers 44 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 2: can actually purchase. And also I told you about how 45 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 2: motives there were saying that we were rushing to get 46 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 2: out of work. You know, that really demonstrates how worried 47 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 2: they are that petrol brand could then run out of fuel. 48 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: But as I said, government continues to then assure and 49 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 2: you know, moving to a layers that the country won't 50 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 2: run out of fuel. And there's also some interesting conversations 51 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 2: I've had with motors around what they think government could 52 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 2: have further done to essentially fused them against the situation 53 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 2: that we're seeing a develops of course as a result 54 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 2: of those at tensions in the middle. I mean, some 55 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 2: of them are saying days fillis of government should have 56 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 2: gone the whole way and completely stepped that sue levy. 57 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 2: But people, that's no more part of nise even about 58 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 2: how these things really work. We'll tell you that it's 59 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: simply not possible. We're speaking about six billion rand and 60 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 2: losses that government now needs to recover in some ways 61 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 2: because of cutting that fuel levy by three rand eight 62 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 2: least even quot. 63 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: In Cozy Coana, thank you so much and Cosconoma Linga 64 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: and Nisi's the e WN reporter on this in Sentin tonight. 65 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: Senesia Pakaasani is the Momentum Investment's chief economists. Senesia, good evening, 66 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: Thanks for your time. Just the fact that so many 67 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: people are queuing trying to save themselves the extra cost 68 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: of what petrol will be in sort of five hours 69 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: time shows you how desperate people are. What is this 70 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: going to do to inflation? Has those new fuel prices 71 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: come in, so many people will feel an impact immediately. 72 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 3: Good evening, Stephen, and hello to your listeners. 73 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 4: You know it's completely understandable. 74 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 3: This is one of the largest petrol or fuel price 75 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 3: increases we've had historically, and that really substantiates, you know, 76 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 3: the reason that we see these long cues at the 77 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 3: petrol station. Of course, the big announcement from today was 78 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 3: from Finance Minister in Afkuda, Guada announcing that we would 79 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 3: get a three rand perleta cut on the fuel levees 80 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 3: and so that brings your overall price increase for your 81 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 3: ninety five inland petrol to three rand and six cents 82 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 3: poleita and for the purest form of diesel at seven 83 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 3: rand and fifty one saints polita. 84 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 4: Of course, remember. 85 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 3: That with your diesel these prices are unregulated and so 86 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 3: they can still be a retail and wholesale margin applied 87 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 3: to that, which of course then is a further drag 88 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 3: and consumer pockets. 89 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 4: When we look at fuel, it's only about three point 90 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 4: eight percent. 91 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 3: Of the consumer basket. But as we know, many of 92 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 3: our food products are actually transported by road, and so 93 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 3: they can potentially be a food price impact about three 94 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 3: to six months. There is a bit of a time 95 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 3: lag by the time the food gets from the farmers 96 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 3: to the end retailer, so the overall impact on the 97 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 3: consumer can be a bit more significant. Given that we've 98 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 3: had this announcement of the three rand cut in the 99 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 3: fuel levy, that should shave off about zero point four 100 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 3: to zero point five percent each points from that peak 101 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 3: rate of inflation as were heading. 102 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: To April, government's losing six billion round. As you say, 103 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: considering the impact this would have had in our economy otherwise, 104 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: is that a good investment? I mean, it might well 105 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 1: save us an interest rate hike. 106 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 4: I think that we were quite fortunate when we think 107 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 4: about twenty twenty two, and that was the last time 108 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 4: that government actually intervened with a fuel levee reduction. That 109 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 4: was around the third quarter of twenty twenty two, and 110 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 4: it was as a result of Russia's invasion into Ukraine, 111 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 4: which then of course saw oil prices picking up over 112 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 4: that period of time. We also had a pickup in 113 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 4: the food price over that period of time, and government 114 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 4: actually gave a relief of around one round fifty. At 115 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 4: that point in time, the fiscal measures were looking a 116 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 4: lot poorer than there are today. You know, going into 117 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 4: the February budgets of corporate tax revenue receipts and assumptions 118 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 4: for future corporate tax revenues were looking quite healthy. We 119 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 4: also have a contingency reserve that's bad into the budget, 120 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 4: and so there is a little bit of leeway for 121 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 4: government to in fact spend on that three rand liter 122 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 4: And as you say, I think it's going to be 123 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 4: a reasonably good investment from the fiscal side, given that 124 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 4: it does prevent that inflation spike from peaking at an 125 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 4: even higher rate, and then of course that alleviates the 126 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 4: pressure on the monetary policy side, as we see fiscal 127 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 4: policy work hand in hand with my industry policies. 128 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: Sensia paka Asami, thanks so much. Really appreciated the Chief 129 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: economists that momentum investments