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Speaker 1: Mister conversations, the conversation go to Prime media class five.

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Speaker 2: Minutes to seven o'clock. Let me speak now to Premier

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Speaker 2: Alan Mindyi over a couple of things, but probably top

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Speaker 2: of mind this morning is ongoing shooting despite the deployment

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Speaker 2: of the SANDF. Good morning, Premier, really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 2: Look after tentatively supporting the announcement of the deployment of

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Speaker 2: the SNDF, and look, no one should have seen it

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Speaker 2: as some sort of panacea. But over the last nine

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Speaker 2: days news twenty four, more than thirty people killed, forty

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Speaker 2: five attempted murders on the Cape Flats, even yesterday when

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Speaker 2: you and Mitchell's plain eight people being shot. There, has

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Speaker 2: this deployment so far been effective?

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Speaker 1: I'm morning, lester. I mean, I think I think it's

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Speaker 1: too early to tell. I mean, the deployment of the

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Speaker 1: military is actually quite a small number. If you think

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Speaker 1: about the overall number of steps and leap offices and

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Speaker 1: law enforcement officers that we have in the province. You know,

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Speaker 1: we were thinking we're going to get about eight hundred.

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Speaker 1: Then the deployment was five forty seven. I think two

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Speaker 1: seventeen is the latest number, of which ninety were were

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Speaker 1: available on the first of April at that parade, So

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Speaker 1: I think it is still too early. Our call is

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Speaker 1: that it's got to be a joined up operation, needs

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Speaker 1: to be linked to the you know, to intelligence. It

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Speaker 1: has to be you know, we need those forced multipliers

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Speaker 1: on the ground. So the intelligence tells us that in

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Speaker 1: town Center shooting is going to go down this afternoon,

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Speaker 1: and the deployment must then take place so that we

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Speaker 1: mitigate that shooting. At the moment that's not happening. And

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Speaker 1: as you say, when I was there the town Center shooting,

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Speaker 1: seven people shot, and at Merridale another individual shots. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's been no changes.

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Speaker 2: Yet, no changes yet, and particularly the brazeness in a

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Speaker 2: shooting and a very busy business. Now town Center is

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Speaker 2: literally mutual splin Center yesterday was still a public holiday.

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Speaker 2: There were families, they were children in that area. So

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Speaker 2: so it's not shootings that happen in the day and

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Speaker 2: at night in drive whereas these are shootings that happen

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Speaker 2: in broad daylight, in public.

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Speaker 1: And the briefing I got was quite scary. The gangsters

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Speaker 1: apparently were hiding in wheelibins with people pushing the bins

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Speaker 1: dressed up as muticipal workers with bibs on, and then

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Speaker 1: you know this is obviously a hit on another gang.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, really we've got to get ahead of the gangs.

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Speaker 1: From an intelligence point of view. They are all bully

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Speaker 1: still continuing with their turf war, and that's what the

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Speaker 1: sports Multiplier has got to do. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: we've got to make sure that it has courts lined up,

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Speaker 1: it has processes lined up so that we can deal

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Speaker 1: with the skirts. We've got a year's worth of deployment

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Speaker 1: and how do we get the maximum benefit from that

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Speaker 1: year's worth of deployment. Learning lessons from last time as well,

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Speaker 1: obviously that's critical too.

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Speaker 2: Lessons from last time is that there were arrests, but

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Speaker 2: very little happened to those arrests because the one specialized detectors,

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Speaker 2: one specialized courts, but also separately but also connected to

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Speaker 2: violence and disregard on our roads. Yesterday, confirmation that sixty

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Speaker 2: one year old cyclist land in lagage succumbing to his injuries.

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Speaker 2: That taxi driver who allegedly knocked into him or knocked

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Speaker 2: into resulting in his death on Victoria Drive in Camps

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Speaker 2: may now charge with culpable homicide as a cyclist yourself, premimuch,

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Speaker 2: just our safety you feel on the roads if you're

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Speaker 2: taking a morning cycle, particularly on the on the Atlantic seaboard.

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Speaker 1: At the moment, yeah, I was obviously angry and distraught

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Speaker 1: and you know, condolences to Land's family. Just feel just

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Speaker 1: the other day I was there for Indrat Sheariff on

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Speaker 1: a memorial ride. And now again and that road, you

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Speaker 1: know it has shoulders. Obviously, I think there was calls

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Speaker 1: now that the bush has to be cut back even further.

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Speaker 1: Always feel that that road is one where people motorists

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Speaker 1: know that they are cyclists, and you know, sharing the

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Speaker 1: road is quite critical along that along that route, but

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Speaker 1: I always feel that that's probably a safer route. But wow,

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Speaker 1: the statistics now not looking good and so really sad.

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Speaker 2: Pedal Power Association saying that in twenty twenty four to

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five a record of twenty cyclist deaths, many

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Speaker 2: of them not reported because there's what recreational cyclists. Many

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Speaker 2: of them were something just people trying to get to work. Premier,

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Speaker 2: Alan Wendy, really appreciate your time,