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Speaker 1: Seven oh two Live from Centen Convention Center is brought

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Speaker 1: to you by the sixth South Africa Investment Conference, Africa's

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Speaker 1: premier investment platform invest partner Prosper. Good morning, welcome to it.

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Speaker 1: Great heaving you with us. Clement is not here. My

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Speaker 1: name is Tabau Chole Michau. Excited to be with you

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Speaker 1: all the way till twelve midday and we've got quite

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Speaker 1: a lot to go through. As I've said, and as

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Speaker 1: you may have had a little bit earlier on, we're

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Speaker 1: coming to live from Centen Convention Center, not too far

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Speaker 1: away from our studios. Might I add our bars with activity.

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Speaker 1: We have seen the presidential spokesperson, I've seen various ministers

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Speaker 1: walking around, a high profiled businessman and various VIPs in

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Speaker 1: our society, all gathered here for this investment conference. Kicked

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Speaker 1: off in twenty eighteen and now this is the sixth

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Speaker 1: edition thereof. Previously, one point five trillion was pledged as

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Speaker 1: a result of the previous investment conferences that were held,

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Speaker 1: and only six hundred I shouldn't say only because it's

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Speaker 1: a huge amount of money. Fifty percent thereof, or more

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Speaker 1: so fifty percent about six hundred billion was then received

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Speaker 1: as a form of fulfillment to the pleasures that we're given.

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Speaker 1: It's a very important one because this conference speaks to

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Speaker 1: you and I directly.

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Speaker 2: Directly.

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Speaker 1: If investors decide to look away from South Africa, jobs

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Speaker 1: will be affected, economic activity, infrastructure and many other impacts

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Speaker 1: will be felt directly by you and I. I'm really

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Speaker 1: hoping that it's just not another talk shop, but very

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Speaker 1: meaningful and impactful. Are gathering of great minds throughout the world.

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Speaker 1: I'm told about the one countries I hear and the

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Speaker 1: numerous other business are also represented. Others are trying to

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Speaker 1: sell themselves to South Africans whilst mainly South Africa is

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Speaker 1: selling itself to oh Well, It's trades to the rest

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Speaker 1: of the world, saying that we are a preferred investment destination,

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Speaker 1: not just on the African continent but globally because we've

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Speaker 1: got a stable democracy. Yes, we have some problems, but

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Speaker 1: generally we know what we are doing. Things are moving.

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Speaker 1: Of course, we faced with issues of corruption every now

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Speaker 1: and then, but on the main in the main we

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Speaker 1: are truly driving a steady ship and no one has

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Speaker 1: any concert should have any concern about the investments being

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Speaker 1: misplaced of course, internally, we'll raise various other issues, but

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Speaker 1: it's important to note that when you look at the

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Speaker 1: SADC region, we are very stable. When you look on

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Speaker 1: the African continent, we are very solid. And maybe we

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Speaker 1: should give you way it's worth. And I'm opening the

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Speaker 1: lines to hear from you, and it could be that

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Speaker 1: I'm HIPing praises where they are not deserved. I'm happy

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Speaker 1: to be challenged on that one, and I'm happy for

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Speaker 1: you to also express I know many of you work

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Speaker 1: in that investment space as well, and some of you

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Speaker 1: are looking for investment for your particular projects. Could be

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Speaker 1: that you want to build a shopping mall, or you

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Speaker 1: want to be involved in a rail project, or it

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Speaker 1: could be that you are also concerned about various infrastructural opportunities.

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Speaker 1: I mean, solar is a very big one, and I'm

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Speaker 1: thinking that there will be various investors who are thinking

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Speaker 1: of entering that solar space alternative energy space in order

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Speaker 1: to make a difference in the energy space. But we'll

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Speaker 1: touch on that between ten and eleven o'clock in the

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Speaker 1: next hour or so. We'll touch on that will speak

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Speaker 1: to a number of people. I do want you to

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Speaker 1: stay tuned for that discussion. I know it's not fashionable.

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Speaker 1: I know it's not sexy. I know it's not about

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Speaker 1: a minister court doing something. But these conversations, I assure you,

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Speaker 1: they are at the heart of what puts rents and

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Speaker 1: sense in your pocket. The company that you work for,

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Speaker 1: chances are it desperately needs investment. It needs to trade

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Speaker 1: with other companies locally and internationally in order for it

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Speaker 1: to grow, for you to be promoted. And speaking of promotion,

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Speaker 1: by the way, in the World of Work feature, we

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Speaker 1: will be speaking about promotions. Who gets promoted? Is it

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Speaker 1: the favorites in the office? Is it someone who's got

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Speaker 1: who has a bride with a boss? Is it people

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Speaker 1: who never question anything at all at worker? Those are

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Speaker 1: those the ones that get promoted. That will come in

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Speaker 1: our world of Work feature much later on, and on

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Speaker 1: our wellness feature as well.

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Speaker 2: We'll touch on how can you live wrong? How can

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Speaker 2: do you really want to live longer?

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Speaker 1: I suppose that's a question, right, but nonetheless to live longer,

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Speaker 1: you know, so we will we'll touch on that much

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Speaker 1: later on the show. But now between ten, between nine

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Speaker 2: I always edge you.

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Speaker 1: I always truly edge you to participate on the open

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Speaker 1: So the open line, I love keeping it very very

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Speaker 1: open line. You to remember that last week there was

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Speaker 1: a lawyer who was gunned down and this was close

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Speaker 1: and it seems as if the legal profession is under

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Speaker 1: are involved themselves in sensitive cases, and many of them

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Speaker 1: And I was just thinking about this and saying, what's

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Speaker 1: Have criminals become even more brazen doing it with impunity,

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Speaker 1: they do not care they should and kill officers of

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Speaker 1: the legal fraternity. How remprant? Is this my face that

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Speaker 1: we don't touch enough on these issues? And so I

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Speaker 1: it one of those and lawyers being targeted by criminals?

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Speaker 1: Targeted by criminals, lawyers shut down?

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Speaker 1: There's a case actually speaking of which there's a very

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Speaker 1: a liquidator of Arthur Kaplin Jewelers was appointed by a

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Speaker 1: this individual alleged assailant, this individual has about ten cases

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Speaker 1: fearing that the lawyer's the Lucidata who's also a lawyer

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Speaker 1: We shouldn't be numb to those things. We shouldn't be

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Speaker 1: fatigued by such stories. We should always be shocked and

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Speaker 1: should be horrible ought by all these shootings. What's happening

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Speaker 1: in the legal fraternity? Why are lawyers being shot down

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Speaker 1: like that? Does it raise a bigger issue of having

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Speaker 1: designated gun free zones in the country. I had some

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Speaker 1: meeting last week kept one of the hotels in Sentin

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Speaker 1: just having meetings. That is extremely dangerous. We have designated

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Speaker 1: we're not talking too much about it on EWN. Earlier

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Speaker 1: against what is what took place the coronation of a

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Speaker 2: We've had this battle you and I before.

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Speaker 1: And of course it needs a bit of revision. We

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Speaker 1: I'd like to hear the solutions from you. How do

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Speaker 2: But what do we do?

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Speaker 1: I really want to hear solutions from you, because I

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Speaker 1: know you're enraged. Many of you at least are enraged

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Speaker 2: But what do we do? What are the solutions?

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Speaker 1: How do we regain respect that we have lost?

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Speaker 2: Again? Respect is in air quotes.

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Speaker 1: You can't see me, I know, especially if you're not

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Speaker 2: What do we do?

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Speaker 1: What are some of the solutions that we could? How

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Speaker 1: do we apply the law efficiently? But how do we gain?

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Speaker 1: Most importantly, because is one thing, but gaining the respect

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Speaker 1: of those who are now disrespecting us is something different. Altogether,

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Speaker 1: is a protest much enough? We would have forgotten about

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Speaker 2: We really would have.

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Speaker 1: We would have moved on into the Holy week and

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Speaker 2: Semi.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's let's kick off with you. You're in Centurian Semi.

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Speaker 2: Hi, good to.

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Speaker 4: That's already places where there's countries in suptions you can

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Speaker 2: No, but people are entering with guns, Semi.

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Speaker 4: There's the specific supps where the same is that guns.

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Speaker 6: Weeks are good.

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Speaker 4: A person got killed, you know, in a in a store.

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Speaker 4: Why should you have specific catchpositive people that get killed?

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Speaker 1: the catalyst, uh is just to introduce a broader subject.

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Speaker 1: that was just a catalyst. The bigger issue is that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the problem is CRIMINALI have. We have poor source,

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Speaker 1: Have put, Yes, Semi from Centurion, much appreciated. You're on

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Speaker 7: Africa is premier investment platform, The Clements Manya Tela Show

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Speaker 2: Just as you enjoy back, thanks for calling, Hope, you good, Yes.

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Speaker 8: Money Tabo and your listeners. I think we name onto

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Speaker 8: collectively approach until the situation had on. There's a say

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Speaker 5: I think the media must also contribute towards this old

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no, I think you one hundred percent right.

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Speaker 1: legitimize someone. My last point supposedly doing something wrong, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no thanks. My last point is that we the

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Speaker 5: by the so called the Nigerian arroga and Nigerian illegal

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Speaker 1: Those thank you, no, no, appreciate them. I appreciate them.

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Speaker 9: Think so one. Good morning even to your listeners. I

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Speaker 9: just want to enquire, especially with regards to the investment conference.

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Speaker 9: I've been part of it during the Minister Pattell's tenure.

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Speaker 9: I'm speaking of the chief executive of the Black and

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Speaker 9: Because the compounded investment that we've seen, or are the

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Speaker 9: So if you can just ask on that note, And lastly,

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Speaker 9: with rects to equity equivalent investment, wherefy white people that

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Very important? Right, let's take it back.

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Speaker 1: If you seconds earlier, you are mentioning your association. I

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Speaker 1: And so you're saying it's not trickling down. We have

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Speaker 10: Is that?

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Speaker 2: Do I get you correctly?

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Speaker 6: If you that's a little call it spotter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So I'm gonna ask you to tune in

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Speaker 1: between ten and eleven.

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Speaker 2: I'm not a government spokesperson.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to venture a response, but they don't pay me.

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Speaker 1: But I also don't work for them. But they get

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Speaker 2: Do call eleven. I'd be happy to take your no.

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Speaker 1: No, of course, I think you're raising very important issues

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Speaker 1: on the ground. But ten and eleven, I'm late for news.

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Speaker 1: I hope to hear from you.

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Speaker 11: Then.

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Speaker 2: Twenty nine minutes.

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Speaker 7: To seven Live from the sixth South Africa Investment Conference

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Speaker 7: Conference Africa's most compelling investment destination.

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Speaker 1: Madi Matcha is not here. My name is Tabosho Lamasha.

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Speaker 1: I'm happy to be with you all the way till twelve.

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Speaker 1: Great having you with us. It's an open line.

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Speaker 2: Right now.

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Speaker 1: We come into live from the Centen Convention Center and

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Speaker 1: that's on the occasion of the South African Investment Conference.

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Speaker 1: It's their sixth edition thereof and two trillion Rand is

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Speaker 1: expected to be raised and as the fulfillment obligations go,

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Speaker 1: it could be just fifty sixty percent of that money

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Speaker 1: that is really received after pleasures. But as I raise

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Speaker 1: get to understand the value of this conference, how it

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Speaker 1: for now, anything on the open line oh one eighty

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Speaker 1: jump straight to them. And they came through to seven

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Speaker 12: Let me tell you something, owner. We can blame foreigners. Hey, hey,

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Speaker 12: they come to our into our country. If you got

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Speaker 12: God did in service. What do I take renovation, electricity

438
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Speaker 12: the illegal really more in renovation that I can see

439
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Speaker 12: anything we use our government.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, good morning, trouble. This thing for Nigeria, Nigerian king

441
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 13: is disrespectful. They seem like you go to someone's yard

442
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 13: and tell them that this is my property. Because that's

443
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Speaker 13: very very very wrong, very very wrong. The law mistake

444
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 13: is cost. This is running round.

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Speaker 11: Back about the notion that there's a king means the

446
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Speaker 11: supposed to be a kingdom. So yes, if we have

447
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Speaker 11: a leaning king of Nigeria, Malawi or anywhere in the world,

448
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 11: so where are they leaning from?

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Speaker 2: That's my question?

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00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and I suppose those are the issues. So

451
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: where's your kingdom? And why are you coronated on foreign land?

452
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: And that has raised some issues that have always been

453
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Speaker 1: here with us in South Africa, and I'm just wondering

454
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Speaker 1: there must be a thin line between that and a xenophobia,

455
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: And I'm wondering how many times do we tread and

456
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 1: straddle that line, that very thin line of being a

457
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 1: patriot and being xenophobic. The rhetoric, some of it was

458
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: a bit worrying because as we all know, and I

459
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: know I'm going to get my head chopped off for this.

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Speaker 1: As we all know, there are many foreign nationals who

461
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Speaker 1: are contributing positively to the South African economy, it's social

462
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Speaker 1: structure and everything else. The humanity offs are there, there

463
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Speaker 1: are many of them. And there are many of those

464
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Speaker 1: who are qualified, who are here legally, who are doing

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Speaker 1: a great job, who are really invested in this country.

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Speaker 1: And then there are some, to be honest, who are

467
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Speaker 1: taking us backwards. There are some who are committed to

468
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Speaker 1: selling drugs. There are some who are committed to being hitmen,

469
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Speaker 1: to doing this, that and the other, taking us backwards altogether.

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Speaker 1: But equally so, crime should be condemned as crime. It

471
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Speaker 1: must be condemned just as crime. I don't want you

472
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Speaker 1: to fight with me about that. I get where you

473
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Speaker 1: come from, I fully do. I'm not inviting a fight,

474
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Speaker 1: but I'm asking as well, that line thin line between

475
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Speaker 1: between being a patriot of note and being xenophobic reach

476
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Speaker 1: us keep to one side of the fence. Is that possible?

477
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Speaker 1: Or life is not just as black and white as that.

478
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Speaker 1: Earlier on we asked about the matters in the legal fraternity, lawyers, attennees,

479
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Speaker 1: advocates that are being shot down. Are you in that

480
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: legal space? What is happening? Take us into your confidence.

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Speaker 1: Last week we saw someone a lawyer from c CMA

482
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Speaker 1: who was gonned down brazenly. So and tomorrow there's another

483
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Speaker 1: vicious case that is taking place in Pumbridge. And the

484
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Speaker 1: City Press reported that or on this a little while

485
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Speaker 1: ago about this serious case, and I'll quote from what

486
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Speaker 1: they had said. It was written by Norman massung Guini

487
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: who said in an extraordinary pattern that has raised eyebrows

488
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Speaker 1: in law enforcement circles controversial businessmen, who saying, Mohammed finds

489
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Speaker 1: himself at the center of more than eleven criminal cases,

490
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: a web of legal troubles spinning over a decade that

491
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: mysteriously converges in a single police station. Much later on,

492
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Speaker 1: he does mention that he was involved in, among other

493
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Speaker 1: most serious charges currently before the courts. In Mohammed's alleged

494
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: involvement was in stealing jewelry from his own store after

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Speaker 1: Capelin Jewelers during its liquidation. He also is accused of

496
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Speaker 1: pointing a lawyer who's a liquidata with a firearm and

497
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Speaker 1: assaulting the lawyer as well, and that case is appearing,

498
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Speaker 1: is taking place tomorrow. It will be heard tomorrow in

499
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Speaker 1: Palm Ridge and this seemingly dangerous individual is going to

500
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Speaker 1: be there. Are we yet to expect another one of those?

501
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: Hopefully not, hopefully not. But we have to come to

502
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Speaker 1: a point where we do something, where we do something.

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Speaker 1: Prior to the egg we had Barbeta, we had so

504
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Speaker 1: many other people killed, and after that we were all shocked,

505
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: Oh oh what happened? And then we forget about it.

506
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Speaker 1: What preventative measures can we take?

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Speaker 10: Oh?

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Speaker 1: One one eighty three seven o two. Albeit you are

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Speaker 1: in Winchester in the south of Johannesburg. Good morning, Abit,

510
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Speaker 1: I hope you good.

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Speaker 6: Good morning table.

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Speaker 2: I'm well on you, I'm free and I hope you're

513
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 2: well man. Thanks for colling what's on your mind.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, Tribo. Okay, my name is Operated from Winchester.

515
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 6: I'm an atone by Prossession and I happened to come

516
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 6: from that area. I'm an eble man from the BFA

517
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 6: part of Nigeria. So I thought I should air by

518
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 6: on view in this discussion, you know, in order to

519
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 6: shed lights, you know, having covered from that area. Now

520
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 6: I want to say this. I'm clear for you know,

521
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 6: a there is no such thing as a Ebo change

522
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 6: on Niger eking in the diaspora. We only have one

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00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 6: king at a particular time and they're all in back home,

524
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 6: you understand. So I want to as shore South Africa

525
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 6: is that there's people who are saying they're coronating or whatever.

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Speaker 6: These are fake.

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Speaker 5: It's not real.

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Speaker 6: When they go back home, nobody knows them. They are

529
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 6: not recognized. They're not even gonna say, oh, I'm an

530
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 6: evoking from South Africa, though they will keep moods, so

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Speaker 6: they're take an advantage because nobody is monitoring and I'm

532
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 6: thinking why not from Southern Nigerian embassy. They should also

533
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 6: be in a better position to say, we don't know

534
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 6: those guys. There is no such effect in the diaspora.

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00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 6: These affect people who sell h I've got a couple

536
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 6: of rides in my pocket. Let me make myself a

537
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 6: king and become something somebody. So South Africa should see

538
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 6: it for what it is because when they keep saying

539
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 6: my general it affects a lot of people, especially professionals

540
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 6: like us. You understand, but it's fake, it's not real,

541
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Speaker 6: So they should deal with the individuals direct, so it

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Speaker 6: doesn't affect people compass.

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Speaker 1: With the reputation of the reputation of Nigerians who are

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Speaker 1: doing well in the country, who are here legally, who

545
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: are contributing meaningfully to society and the lives of all

546
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: South Africans in general. It creates that negative dark cloud

547
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: and you're judged and fairly so.

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Speaker 6: And one more thing I want to say is I

549
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 6: understand that you as a lawyer, I know there is

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00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 6: a freedom of association. You understand you can do PHAs

551
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 6: that you want to do that is legal and stuff

552
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 6: like that. Now, what we have here in South Africa

553
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 6: are people who are like a president of association in

554
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Speaker 6: a union that looks after the interest of Nigeria in

555
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 6: South Africa. That is legal, that is allowed. You know,

556
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 6: that is the only thing we have and the people have.

557
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 6: Don't want time after time from home to say, do

558
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 6: not coroinate yourself because it doesn't work like that. If

559
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 6: you want to be anything, come back home and seek

560
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 6: maybe that you know such education of the exactly. So please,

561
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Speaker 6: there is no questing as kings or anything of every kind.

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Speaker 1: Got your brother, got you, got you ab but really

563
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: appreciate your call Tony, thanks for your patience you've been

564
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: holding for some time.

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00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 2: Welcome Donny.

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Speaker 10: Good morning to Abha.

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Speaker 2: I'm free, Tony. Thanks for calling. I hope you're good.

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Speaker 10: I'm good. Thank you. Some I was just calling connection

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Speaker 10: with the issue with guns in malls and the amount

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Speaker 10: of private security in our street. Was recently at at

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Speaker 10: a well known mall and one of the restaurants that

572
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 10: we're having dinner at was bot off half of the

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Speaker 10: restaurant bar, well known personality.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and while.

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00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 10: We were having dinner, there were must have been at

576
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Speaker 10: least half a dozen on security guards with machine guns.

577
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 10: So in my mind, I feel very uneasy because in

578
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 10: the event that somebody becomes a target, it's the innocent

579
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 10: people on the fire that get taken out. And you

580
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 10: know similar incidents of the garage where a white dnw

581
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 10: arise with an entourage of security and the next thing

582
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 10: there's people jumping out with guns at the ready.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I left the.

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Speaker 10: Four court immediately. Just raises the question for me that

585
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 10: there far too many people with machine guns or guns,

586
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 10: and it's linked to our whole problem with the Blue

587
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 10: Light brigades. Who's entitled to who's entitled to security? With weapons.

588
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 10: There's just far too much of it happening. And at

589
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 10: points to a Matthew said, for me, it's linked to

590
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 10: the police, barbery and corruption. It's such a big, much,

591
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 10: bigger problem that.

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Speaker 2: We saved in Tonny. I couldn't agree more.

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00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more, especially when some entities and some

594
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: thugs who want to have permission and license to brand

595
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: they firearms wherever they want to publicly, they open up

596
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: security shops, security companies, and then they are licensed appropriately

597
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: and they become a threat to all of us. I mean,

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00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: you see how they walk around. They know that they

599
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: are and they're so bullish in their walks, and they

600
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: are just throwing their weight around. And we have to

601
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 1: exist in the same space with such people. We are

602
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: genuinely in meetings or having dinner with your family or

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00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: friends or whatever it is that you are doing.

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Speaker 2: It's something that we don't need. It is something that.

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Speaker 1: We do not need, and we need to be a

606
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: little bit more stringent in applying the laws.

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00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 10: Absolutely, and I think it's for me. The question one

608
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 10: has to ask you is I understand there are some

609
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 10: people who legitimately require security, but for the most part,

610
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Speaker 10: the finding that the people that pose as businessmen, but

611
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 10: they're actually it's saggery and that business tactic. For me,

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Speaker 10: it's the only reason why anybody would need to have

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00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 10: fifteen people around them with guns.

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Speaker 2: If you're a law by it definitely for the time.

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Speaker 10: Why are you perading you Obviously there's something wrong that

616
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 10: you need all these wet rag It's very frustrating in

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Speaker 10: South Africa.

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Speaker 1: It is Tony, thanks for you call. Really appreciate it

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00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: and it's something that we need to speak about more often.

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00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 2: Tony from sentence.

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Speaker 1: And there's some people, by the way, just to add

622
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: quickly that they just want to look important. They just

623
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Speaker 1: want to tell the rest of us that they've arrived.

624
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: They've got lots of money. So even when they are

625
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: ten funerals, they'd be escorted by a lesion of for

626
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: security agents who are branding firearms, brandishing firearms with them

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00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 1: and carrying them and just being escorted for nothing. No

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00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: one really cares about you that much, and you are

629
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: creating an environment that is very difficult for all of

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Speaker 1: us to exist in simply by showing us that you

631
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Speaker 1: can afford security.

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Speaker 2: I think them we must.

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Speaker 1: We must get to a point where laws are a

634
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: bit stricter, and we can regulate a proliferation of firearms

635
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Speaker 1: in our society. Or one one eighty three seven two Michelle, Michelle,

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Speaker 1: you in Kruger stop, Hello, neighbor, morning.

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00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 14: I'm very glad that you took Obit's core first. Before

638
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 14: any of us commented, we need to say that, yes,

639
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 14: there are millions of people in this country, not just Nigerians,

640
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 14: the people from Europe and all over that are legally

641
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 14: here that are contributing.

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Speaker 3: To our economy.

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Speaker 14: But all these like he said rightfully, these pretend people

644
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 14: who come here and they start all kinds of criminal

645
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 14: empires in South Africa, or whether it's a guard parading

646
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Speaker 14: or pretending to be a king, or someone like Shepherd

647
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 14: Buchery who comes here fleeces or far public. We need

648
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 14: these people that are not here legally. They need to

649
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 14: be deported, even those ones in our jails. It's costing

650
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 14: the taxpayer too much money to have these people here.

651
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 14: They are taking jobs away from South Africans and four

652
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Speaker 14: million tax paying people of this country cannot support all

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Speaker 14: these millions of people that the ANC were the ones

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Speaker 14: that opened the gates of South Africa early.

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Speaker 3: In the nineties, opened the gates and they.

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Speaker 14: Said come in. We need them to we need them

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Speaker 14: to be taken out, and we need to become a

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Speaker 14: rule of law society again because.

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Speaker 4: We are lawless.

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Speaker 14: There is no other way of We are all lawless,

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Speaker 14: every single one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Michelle. Two things I agree in the main

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Speaker 1: with what you've said. Just two things. So that I'm

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Speaker 1: not old to the BCCSA. Not all illegal immigrants or

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Speaker 1: foreign nationals. I hear on bad motives because some of

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Speaker 1: them are refugees and asylum seekas. So asylum seicas and

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Speaker 1: refugees can also fall under being here illegally, especially prior

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Speaker 1: to being processed accordingly. So that's that I know you're

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Speaker 1: not talking about that. I'm just doing my due diligence so.

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Speaker 3: That I'm away and I don't know people.

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Speaker 14: So those people who are being the hill in situsment.

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Speaker 14: Founder went to court to challenge the South African government

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Speaker 14: regarding those people, those people that are here, that their

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Speaker 14: visas need to be extended and that original the ZDP

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Speaker 14: those people, Yes, there's a place for them. But what

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Speaker 14: I'm saying is there are thousands of one thousands of

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Speaker 14: people that came here with bad intentions and these people

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Speaker 14: are running all kinds of scams and we need.

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Speaker 1: To Yes, here's what I need to add as well. Yeah, no, definitely,

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Speaker 1: I am with you one hundred percent. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: don't see us going to other countries as well and

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Speaker 1: creating mayhem being they legally and creating mayhem. I agree

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Speaker 1: with you one little thing as well, that the ANC

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Speaker 1: said they must all come in. That's obviously not one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent accurate. And we can nuancedly say the ANC

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Speaker 1: did look away and it didn't implement the laws as

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Speaker 1: it ought to have. And I should say the ANC government,

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Speaker 1: not the NC did somehow ten a blind eye to

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Speaker 1: some of these activities just after a liberation in nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety four, and much could have been done so that

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Speaker 1: the borders are not poorous and we have stricter and

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Speaker 1: the watertight entry into our country. So in the main, Michelle,

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Speaker 1: you and I agree. Thanks for your call and andey

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Speaker 1: moochal city Lulu.

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Speaker 2: You are in Centurion.

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Speaker 15: Hey, awesome, Thanks for taking AI.

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Speaker 3: Can you hear me now?

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Speaker 16: I can welcome I love table.

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Speaker 14: I think simply.

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Speaker 15: Put, when the cats away, the mice come out to play,

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Speaker 15: isn't it Because.

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Speaker 3: And people.

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Speaker 15: Visitors can see in your house that there is no order.

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Speaker 15: They will do as they please. So if you have

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Speaker 15: a school that has no principle, the teachers will come

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Speaker 15: in late, the students will come in late. You have

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Speaker 15: a house told Tabo, that has no father, what happens.

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Speaker 15: Kids do as they please. That is the state of

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Speaker 15: our country. That is what we are dealing with. So

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Speaker 15: if I was to go to another country and I

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Speaker 15: can see that they.

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Speaker 3: Are rules and their laws are loose.

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Speaker 15: I will do as I please. And that's what we

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Speaker 15: are facing right now in our country. And just to

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Speaker 15: also add, when I speak of foreign nationals who are

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Speaker 15: taking jobs or who are in cryminal activities, I am

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Speaker 15: not referring to foreign nationals who are.

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Speaker 3: Here legally and who are.

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Speaker 16: Professionals and who are earning a decent income. I'm not

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Speaker 16: talking about those, Tabo, and I don't think South Africans

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Speaker 16: are talking about those. They're talking about the ones who

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Speaker 16: are committing the crimes, who are not registered and they

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Speaker 16: know that they can get away with murder. You know,

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Speaker 16: the ones who are piling up in our jails.

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Speaker 15: Those are the ones that we are referring to. Those

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Speaker 15: are the.

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Speaker 16: Ones that we want the government to crack the whip

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Speaker 16: upon and we also.

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Speaker 15: Want government to actually go to our borders. I mean

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Speaker 15: we are actually border lists lit all admit guys, then

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Speaker 15: we don't have a border because it's come in as

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Speaker 15: you as you please. It's free for all. And I

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Speaker 15: think we've taken the buntu and this patriotic things far too,

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Speaker 15: way too.

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Speaker 3: Far as South Africa.

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Speaker 15: Because we just you know, we're just open for everyone

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Speaker 15: and we.

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Speaker 1: Have to live it at that lulu purely because of

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Speaker 1: time in our borders harmpor Us. You do know that

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Speaker 1: there are some nationals from Sadek region who come to

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Speaker 1: South Africa every single day to buy things and they

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Speaker 1: some of them would go back home and some of

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Speaker 1: them actually get social grants from South Africa every single month.

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Speaker 1: Scary stuff. Four one, one eighty three or seven two,

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Speaker 1: three minutes to ten