Speaker 1: Let's stay with this broad story but turned specifically to
Speaker 1: the Minister of Higher Education, BULA and Cabinet. There seems
Speaker 1: to be strong evidence that she misled parliament. Some of
Speaker 1: it was generated in Sidi Madeir's interview with the Advocate
Speaker 1: Terry Mutau, who was described by the High Education Minister
Speaker 1: as the head of this panel that made controversial selections
Speaker 1: for various SEATA boards. Advocate Mourtau and I'm pretty certain
Speaker 1: that I heard the interview correctly, made it very clear
Speaker 1: that he made it very clear to the Minister before
Speaker 1: she went to Parliament that he was not serving on
Speaker 1: this panel. And yet despite that absolute clarity, according again
Speaker 1: to Advocate Terry Motan, I would assume he knows what
Speaker 1: he said. She went ahead and said he was on
Speaker 1: that panel. So the case for lying to parliament would
Speaker 1: seem certainly has sufficient merit for it to be a case.
Speaker 1: Whether it gets proved in the court, if it ever
Speaker 1: gets to courses another matter. But he has the question
Speaker 1: that I want to put to my next guest. He
Speaker 1: is Professor Derk Kotza, who's professor of political science at UNISA.
Speaker 1: Very good often into you why has President rama Posa
Speaker 1: not acted against the Minister of Higher Education. I mean
Speaker 1: it seems to me fairly clear cut, not a complicated matter.
Speaker 1: It also seems to me that now that the DA
Speaker 1: has made her a cause celebre in the way that
Speaker 1: they have, he almost can't fire her at all.
Speaker 2: A good afternoon, now. I think you are partly correct
Speaker 2: with this in that is that President Ramaposa looks in
Speaker 2: the public to mind as as someone who doesn't want
Speaker 2: to act against her, as well as I understand from
Speaker 2: reports that he called her in and we instructed her
Speaker 2: to go back to Parliament and to apologize and to
Speaker 2: see the Portfolio Committee about what she did and that
Speaker 2: she had to correct responses. So I think from President
Speaker 2: from a positive side, we know he's not someone who
Speaker 2: wants to be seen to respond to pleasure. He wants
Speaker 2: to take his own decisions, especially when it comes from
Speaker 2: the DA or the FF or MK of some of
Speaker 2: the other oppositions. So that you know, I think, is
Speaker 2: the first sort of response is that he did. He
Speaker 2: will argue most possibly that he did respond and that
Speaker 2: what is being asked now is not necessarily necessary because
Speaker 2: you try to correct the situation. I think when it
Speaker 2: comes to in general, the throw of ministers in relation
Speaker 2: to Parliament. We've seen it very often where they've either
Speaker 2: it not portfolio committees, or they haven't provided sufficient information
Speaker 2: or they have not provided correct information. So unfortunately, this
Speaker 2: is not a new thing. This is something which we've
Speaker 2: become to some extent used to almost but this is
Speaker 2: again something which I don't think the ANC can can afford.
Speaker 2: Now you know, there's even from within if I can,
Speaker 2: in the broader context, source schools or the African Congress
Speaker 2: of Students are are very critical of this and they
Speaker 2: are calling for resig notion. So not only really the
Speaker 2: DA that's doing that, and I think the pleasure is
Speaker 2: certainly building up in this matter.
Speaker 1: So often when the President does or doesn't act on
Speaker 1: whatever the matter might be, there are questions asked us
Speaker 1: to whether an action or lack of would make it difficult.
Speaker 2: For him.
Speaker 1: Within the ranks of his own party. So with that
Speaker 1: as as as as a forward, I mean, does Minister
Speaker 1: or bushlet In Cabane hold substantial weight inside the ANC?
Speaker 1: I mean, is she a significant player with a constituency
Speaker 1: the president needs to tiptoe around.
Speaker 2: Well, she comes from Quasulnatal, she's relatively young, forty five
Speaker 2: years old. So I think it's a constituency that he
Speaker 2: really wants to be seen to incorporate and to embrace
Speaker 2: in the ANC cause it in is obviously for the
Speaker 2: ANC very important given Glassio's election results, I don't think
Speaker 2: he wants to be seen to act really against relatively
Speaker 2: prominent persons coming from that province. So my guess is,
Speaker 2: and it's purely a guess that that might have played
Speaker 2: to throw in the the WAYE which is handling this.
Speaker 2: So I think in that sense she is for a
Speaker 2: type of a control model within the AC. The fact
Speaker 2: that she's very well qualified she even was a tutorier
Speaker 2: at UNISA but rebert doctoral degrees in sons. I think
Speaker 2: that makes her an important person together with someone like
Speaker 2: the Minister of Derko or not Lamola and others. And
Speaker 2: I don't think he wants really and especially because she's
Speaker 2: a woman. Yes, these all counts, as are matters that
Speaker 2: I think count in her favor.
Speaker 1: Professor Derkosa, thank you, Professor of Political Science at UNISA,
Speaker 1: twenty eight minutes past five