WEBVTT - Analyzing Higher Education Minister Nobuhle Nkabane

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<v Speaker 1>Let's stay with this broad story but turned specifically to

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<v Speaker 1>the Minister of Higher Education, BULA and Cabinet. There seems

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<v Speaker 1>to be strong evidence that she misled parliament. Some of

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<v Speaker 1>it was generated in Sidi Madeir's interview with the Advocate

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<v Speaker 1>Terry Mutau, who was described by the High Education Minister

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<v Speaker 1>as the head of this panel that made controversial selections

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<v Speaker 1>for various SEATA boards. Advocate Mourtau and I'm pretty certain

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<v Speaker 1>that I heard the interview correctly, made it very clear

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<v Speaker 1>that he made it very clear to the Minister before

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<v Speaker 1>she went to Parliament that he was not serving on

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<v Speaker 1>this panel. And yet despite that absolute clarity, according again

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<v Speaker 1>to Advocate Terry Motan, I would assume he knows what

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<v Speaker 1>he said. She went ahead and said he was on

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<v Speaker 1>that panel. So the case for lying to parliament would

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<v Speaker 1>seem certainly has sufficient merit for it to be a case.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether it gets proved in the court, if it ever

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<v Speaker 1>gets to courses another matter. But he has the question

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<v Speaker 1>that I want to put to my next guest. He

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<v Speaker 1>is Professor Derk Kotza, who's professor of political science at UNISA.

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<v Speaker 1>Very good often into you why has President rama Posa

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<v Speaker 1>not acted against the Minister of Higher Education. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it seems to me fairly clear cut, not a complicated matter.

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<v Speaker 1>It also seems to me that now that the DA

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<v Speaker 1>has made her a cause celebre in the way that

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<v Speaker 1>they have, he almost can't fire her at all.

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<v Speaker 2>A good afternoon, now. I think you are partly correct

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<v Speaker 2>with this in that is that President Ramaposa looks in

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<v Speaker 2>the public to mind as as someone who doesn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to act against her, as well as I understand from

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<v Speaker 2>reports that he called her in and we instructed her

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<v Speaker 2>to go back to Parliament and to apologize and to

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<v Speaker 2>see the Portfolio Committee about what she did and that

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<v Speaker 2>she had to correct responses. So I think from President

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<v Speaker 2>from a positive side, we know he's not someone who

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<v Speaker 2>wants to be seen to respond to pleasure. He wants

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<v Speaker 2>to take his own decisions, especially when it comes from

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<v Speaker 2>the DA or the FF or MK of some of

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<v Speaker 2>the other oppositions. So that you know, I think, is

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<v Speaker 2>the first sort of response is that he did. He

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<v Speaker 2>will argue most possibly that he did respond and that

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<v Speaker 2>what is being asked now is not necessarily necessary because

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<v Speaker 2>you try to correct the situation. I think when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to in general, the throw of ministers in relation

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<v Speaker 2>to Parliament. We've seen it very often where they've either

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<v Speaker 2>it not portfolio committees, or they haven't provided sufficient information

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<v Speaker 2>or they have not provided correct information. So unfortunately, this

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<v Speaker 2>is not a new thing. This is something which we've

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<v Speaker 2>become to some extent used to almost but this is

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<v Speaker 2>again something which I don't think the ANC can can afford.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you know, there's even from within if I can,

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<v Speaker 2>in the broader context, source schools or the African Congress

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<v Speaker 2>of Students are are very critical of this and they

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<v Speaker 2>are calling for resig notion. So not only really the

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<v Speaker 2>DA that's doing that, and I think the pleasure is

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<v Speaker 2>certainly building up in this matter.

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<v Speaker 1>So often when the President does or doesn't act on

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<v Speaker 1>whatever the matter might be, there are questions asked us

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<v Speaker 1>to whether an action or lack of would make it difficult.

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<v Speaker 2>For him.

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<v Speaker 1>Within the ranks of his own party. So with that

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<v Speaker 1>as as as as a forward, I mean, does Minister

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<v Speaker 1>or bushlet In Cabane hold substantial weight inside the ANC?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, is she a significant player with a constituency

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<v Speaker 1>the president needs to tiptoe around.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, she comes from Quasulnatal, she's relatively young, forty five

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<v Speaker 2>years old. So I think it's a constituency that he

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<v Speaker 2>really wants to be seen to incorporate and to embrace

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<v Speaker 2>in the ANC cause it in is obviously for the

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<v Speaker 2>ANC very important given Glassio's election results, I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>he wants to be seen to act really against relatively

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<v Speaker 2>prominent persons coming from that province. So my guess is,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's purely a guess that that might have played

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<v Speaker 2>to throw in the the WAYE which is handling this.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think in that sense she is for a

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<v Speaker 2>type of a control model within the AC. The fact

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<v Speaker 2>that she's very well qualified she even was a tutorier

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<v Speaker 2>at UNISA but rebert doctoral degrees in sons. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that makes her an important person together with someone like

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<v Speaker 2>the Minister of Derko or not Lamola and others. And

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think he wants really and especially because she's

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<v Speaker 2>a woman. Yes, these all counts, as are matters that

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<v Speaker 2>I think count in her favor.

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<v Speaker 1>Professor Derkosa, thank you, Professor of Political Science at UNISA,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eight minutes past five