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Speaker 1: Axe throwing.

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Speaker 2: That sounds romantic, doesn't it, Johnie me?

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Speaker 1: This morning is Patrick Reece?

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Speaker 3: Rice?

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Speaker 1: Rice?

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Speaker 3: What is the I would say in German? Young, Oh,

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Speaker 3: German morning page.

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Speaker 1: And that's the extent of my Germans.

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Speaker 3: Sadly it's like my girlfriend who's taking for two years.

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Speaker 1: And I tell you what though, now we're digressing again.

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Speaker 1: I did German at school for three years. Preferred it

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Speaker 1: over French.

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Speaker 3: You'll be honest, much easier.

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Speaker 2: Much easier, much easier, I felt. AnyWho, Patrick is the owner.

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Speaker 3: Of axe o correct.

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Speaker 1: How long have you been around? Patrick?

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Speaker 3: Five years?

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Speaker 1: Five years? Where did where did that?

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Speaker 2: Where does this come from? What makes you wake up

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Speaker 2: one day and we're going to open an axe?

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Speaker 3: Weird, isn't it?

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Speaker 1: It is a big Yeah, it's that German.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I've seen it in Thailand on the night market

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Speaker 3: in Bangkok.

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Speaker 1: On the coast, and I am familiar with.

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Speaker 3: I don't know where it was in Bangkok, to be fair,

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Speaker 3: but you know these markets.

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Speaker 1: I know them well.

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Speaker 3: Street weird animals. You can eat all.

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Speaker 1: Sorts of other stuff that you can see going on, yes.

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Speaker 3: And then acess you can throw, And then I thought

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Speaker 3: that's that's funny. I need to open that somewhere else.

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Speaker 3: If that doesn't exist, then I came here, yeah, and

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Speaker 3: moved here just after COVID.

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Speaker 1: What led you here?

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Speaker 3: I mean, look around, look out of the window.

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Speaker 1: Now, I know, I mean it's I know it is

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Speaker 1: a ridiculous. But had you been on holiday?

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Speaker 3: Yes? Yes, yes, I came here in what was my

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Speaker 3: first time two thousand and nine, okay, And I forgot

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Speaker 3: about this. But I looked in two thousand and nine

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Speaker 3: already how can I move to South Africa? And then

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Speaker 3: I forgot about it because it was it was hard,

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Speaker 3: you know, I was just out of out of university

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Speaker 3: and not it was before uni actually, and then I

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Speaker 3: never did it. Came back twenty eighteen, I thought again

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Speaker 3: I forgot what this was. And then after COVID, I thought,

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Speaker 3: let's try it.

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Speaker 1: Gosh, okay.

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Speaker 2: And so you you go to Thailand, you think, okay,

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Speaker 2: that seems like a good idea. You move to Cape

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Speaker 2: Town and then you go, I'm just going to open

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Speaker 2: an access.

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Speaker 1: How did you know we'd be into it?

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Speaker 2: Let's see again, How did you know that that it

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Speaker 2: would be a success.

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Speaker 3: I didn't mean you try, But it's an easy business

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Speaker 3: to try, you know, because you don't need that much.

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Speaker 1: All right, what do you need? What's your setup down there?

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Speaker 3: Where you need wood, you need access, and you need

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Speaker 3: some paint and some what some you know, some walls

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Speaker 3: to start with.

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Speaker 1: So how big is your seven lanes set?

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Speaker 3: Seven sermon lanes? Yes, seven targets?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, show me that axe that you've brought in there.

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Speaker 3: That's a pre chopped up But that's the point because

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Speaker 3: people don't know what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's my biggest concern.

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Speaker 3: If you come in the first time, yeah, and you

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Speaker 3: miss the target and you throw it against the wall,

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Speaker 3: then your ex ends up looking like this, How do

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Speaker 3: I take this off? This is never inside this packet?

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Speaker 3: There you go. See that's a bit. It's it's a

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Speaker 3: radio show. It doesn't really harp beyond We're going to.

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Speaker 2: Take some pictures or maybe Vicky could come in and

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Speaker 2: take some video and then we've that.

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Speaker 1: Looks pretty.

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Speaker 3: M mmmm. So so if you start.

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Speaker 1: Heavi as I thought, yeah, because you know, what's the

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Speaker 1: what distance are we throwing.

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Speaker 3: It's around I haven't measured to be fair, it's like

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Speaker 3: three point five meters maybe that far. But so you

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Speaker 3: want one full turn, right, Okay, So you hold it,

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Speaker 3: you throw it to do one full turn and then

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Speaker 1: What only one full turn?

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's where you start, right, okay, and then if

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Speaker 3: you want to have a bit more fun you say, oh,

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Speaker 3: le's see if I can do too. But then you

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Speaker 3: need to go to do it. Okay, but that's not

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Speaker 3: what we do in the first session.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So what are you if I'm going to come

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Speaker 3: So it's one and a half hours normally. Yeah, you

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Speaker 3: can either come in as a group as a bachelor party.

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Speaker 3: As we have a lot of corporate events. They come

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Speaker 3: and so you arrive, we have our We call him

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Speaker 3: Expert because we thought that's a great pun.

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Speaker 1: Very good, yeah, very good.

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Speaker 3: And so he says, Hi, explains you, what explains to you.

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Speaker 3: That's my that's my German, you know, explains you, explains

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Speaker 3: how it works, what are the techniques. Then he gives

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Speaker 3: you an hour, so the whole group has an hour

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Speaker 3: to train on all the seven lanes. He goes around,

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Speaker 3: he helps you out, It gives you some you know,

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Speaker 3: what's the difference differently, you get more space, got you

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Speaker 3: seven bowling als, and so he teaches you what to do,

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Speaker 3: walks around, helps people, and then the end we play

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Speaker 3: a round drop in tournament and then they crowned the king.

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Speaker 1: So what's the aim.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I went to. I went to

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Speaker 2: a restaurant yesterday and there was a dart board there.

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Speaker 3: It's like darts. Okay, yes, yes, yeah, So you have

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Speaker 3: a wooden board and say it's like darts.

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Speaker 2: So there's a is there is there? Is it set

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Speaker 2: up in terms of if you hit it in this area?

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Speaker 2: There's is it a point thing?

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Speaker 3: If in the middle in the middleist five points and

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Speaker 3: then it goes out three points, two points, one point

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Speaker 3: and you have two tiny dots in the corners and

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Speaker 3: if you hit that you get ten points. But that's

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Speaker 3: very hard.

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Speaker 2: How good are you at this? Because it's one thing

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Speaker 2: to open this as a business. That doesn't necessarily mean

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Speaker 3: No, it doesn't. It does not mean that I'm all right,

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Speaker 3: like I can make it stick. That's the hardest part.

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Speaker 3: So so it's it's it's a very frustrating thing to start.

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Speaker 3: So you see your eggs here. Yes, on the one side,

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Speaker 3: you have the pointy thing. Yeah, that's easier.

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Speaker 2: This small okay, so that for the sake of radio.

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Speaker 2: So imagine an axe, folks, there's the what do we

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Speaker 2: call this part? I will handle the stem handle. Then

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Speaker 2: you have the traditional part that if you're you know,

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Speaker 2: going to chops and wood, and then at the back

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Speaker 2: a little kind of hook part, a smaller blade.

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Speaker 1: Yes, what would that? What is that for?

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Speaker 3: So if you throw it like this, it's going to

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Speaker 3: stick there, right, So it's going.

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Speaker 1: To do full thing one rotation in the thing.

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Speaker 3: Then it sticks with this, Yes, and this sticks easier

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Speaker 3: than that? Why because it's.

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Speaker 1: More pointy, say yes, of course.

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Speaker 3: So it penetrates the wood.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I've got you, because there's a smaller surface area

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Speaker 3: So you would start with this and then and at

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Speaker 3: some point if you have the movement right, then they

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Speaker 3: will take.

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Speaker 1: So there is a there is a degree of skill here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is is it? Like?

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Speaker 1: Do people have ax in competition? Like proper? Is there

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Speaker 1: not here but somewhere?

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Speaker 3: Yes? In the US is massive leagues?

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Speaker 2: Big thing the leagues and what what are the variables

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Speaker 2: axe size? Weight distance in the leagues. Well how do

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Speaker 2: you how do you progress from.

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Speaker 3: They are much further away?

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Speaker 1: Right, That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: So like, does the acts get heavier, the blade get smaller,

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Speaker 3: Actually I haven't. I haven't progressed that.

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Speaker 2: Fine, you might have to, you know, because after this interview,

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Speaker 2: everyone's going to want to come down and see you,

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Speaker 2: and then people are going to be let's start, let's

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Speaker 2: start a thing, and before you know it, there's the

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Speaker 2: Arowing League and you're, you know, as the pioneer of that, Patrick,

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Speaker 2: You're going.

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Speaker 3: To need to know these and they need to win.

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Speaker 3: Then I have to train and that's going to be

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Speaker 3: a lot of time. But yeah, good, I'm up for it.

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Speaker 1: There's God so as has been around for five years.

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Speaker 3: I've been around for five years and it opened it

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Speaker 3: to four years. Maybe I think you've done it for

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Speaker 3: four years? Now?

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Speaker 2: What how long before it kind of caught on? How

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Speaker 2: long before you've started being able to afford cashmere jerseys

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Speaker 2: like the one you're wearing today?

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Speaker 3: Wow, it's a good question. It it has its up

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Speaker 3: and downs, you know, does it? Yeah? Obviously you have

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Speaker 3: more people in summer. Yeah, people you know leave their

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Speaker 3: house more I found out, and keep telling if it rains,

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Speaker 2: You see, as somebody, as someone who also grew up

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Speaker 2: in Europe, I find it very odd and I just

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Speaker 1: That's and you presumably feel the same way.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And there's no point staying inside because it's as

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Speaker 3: called inside as outside because there's no heating more so, yes,

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Speaker 3: so might as well go outside.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, yeah, no, I agree with you. I agree

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Speaker 3: To judge coming here from Europe telling them.

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Speaker 1: To you know, we're not no, no, no, it's not

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Speaker 3: But it's great in winter, That's what I'm going to say. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: because it's inside. It's a great winter activity. Come in

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Speaker 3: with all the friends, bring your company, bring you know,

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Speaker 3: your bachelor party, great head of the night out. I

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Speaker 3: think it's fun in winter.

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Speaker 1: Who tends to be more competitive in your experience? Is

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Speaker 1: it the men or the women?

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Speaker 3: The men, Yeah, because it's they think it's such a

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Speaker 3: manly thing to do, I know, and women are more like, okay,

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Speaker 3: I don't care. It's extra and it's ridiculous. Right, and

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Speaker 3: men are like, I want to win this thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've just thought of somebody who would love to

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Speaker 2: throw that axe actually, and I think would probably take

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Speaker 2: it quite seriously.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's harder in the beginning for women to

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Speaker 3: So you have to you can't do it half heartedly.

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Speaker 3: If you get that, it's like throwing your snowball. If

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Speaker 3: you go like this, you're going to hit anything. So

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Speaker 3: you really have to like smash and go for it.

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Speaker 3: And that's is it going to be more scared in

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Speaker 3: the beginning.

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Speaker 1: No, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: I've got I feel like once I got into it, yes,

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Speaker 3: If you know what you're doing. It is if the

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Speaker 1: To perfectionists, so I think that's going to.

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Speaker 3: But afterwards you yeah, you know, you had your churl

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Speaker 3: It's all of it? Whoever sees it online? Things to

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Speaker 3: You know a spiceyard?

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Speaker 1: No, I don't get I've got two small children.

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Speaker 3: It's in four track of road, so it's just where

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Speaker 3: also it's it's quite similar to the biscuit meal, but

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Speaker 1: It makes Peter and get jarred up and then go

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Speaker 3: I think the other way around is better, I'd say, means.

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Speaker 3: So, Yeah, there's a few little as I said, run, distillery.

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Speaker 1: Pub, stuff to do, stuff to do, Parking, Parking is

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Speaker 3: There is parking because.

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Speaker 2: That turns me off for me if I get to

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Speaker 3: There's a lot to do it's a nice little courtyard.

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Speaker 1: It would be remissive me Patrick not to ask about

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Speaker 3: I mean, how much?

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Speaker 1: What are your safety mechanisms?

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Speaker 3: It sounds very dangerous, doesn't it, But it's not potentially

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Speaker 1: Well you haven't seen me throw.

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Speaker 1: You know, I mean just just in, just in pulling

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Speaker 3: So yes, so you hold your ex and if you

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Speaker 3: then sure, I can't do anything about that.

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Speaker 2: I know you're probably not going to tell me, but

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Speaker 2: swear on that cash mere jersey that nothing's ever happened.

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Speaker 3: Nothing's happened. Okay, I don't know what you think. This

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Speaker 1: It's lovely, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: He's wearing it's very good, actually, a rust colored polo neck.

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Speaker 1: It's very good. What would you would you would you

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Speaker 3: Think? Be called after what I'm going?

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Speaker 1: Not called out a genuinely it's lovely.

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Speaker 2: No, you entered through you you walked into the dojo, Patrick,

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Speaker 2: Anything could happen.

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Speaker 1: How's this message that's just come in from somebody who

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Speaker 3: Good for him.

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Speaker 2: He started it in Canada and does huge competitions. He

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Speaker 2: has his own set of very fancy axes. His girl

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Speaker 3: That's good, isn't it?

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Speaker 1: See lovely? I love stuff like that. That's really good.

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Speaker 3: It's big. It's just not here yet. That's what we're here.

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Speaker 1: That's what you're here today to do. We're here to

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Speaker 3: Correct?

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Speaker 1: How much is it? How can people book? Give me

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Speaker 3: So it's not that easy, right right, So it's not

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Speaker 1: No, don't do that, folks.

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Speaker 3: So we want to know who comes when you have

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Speaker 3: So Wednesday Thursday at six, Saturday Sunday we've got two

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Speaker 3: six after see we got new times. So you just

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Speaker 3: book a ticket so you meet other people there. You

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Speaker 3: don't need your friends, so it's okay, you two can

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Speaker 1: Got you, and we can all learn together, all along together.

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Speaker 3: And play your end round robin and then whoever wins right,

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Speaker 3: corporate four I've got you birthdays, bachelor's nice.

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Speaker 1: What's the biggest group that you can handle?

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Speaker 3: I would say thirty if it's just us. What if

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Speaker 3: what many people have done is they say, well, you

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Speaker 3: have this round distillervery next door. Let's also do it

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Speaker 1: What else do we need to know? Patrick, if anything

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Speaker 1: at all, you might be done with us. You might

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I didn't have enough, but you know

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Speaker 3: you asked the questions. What else could I tell you?

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Speaker 3: It's fun?

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Speaker 2: How often do you do it as the owner of

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Speaker 3: Two weeks ago.

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Speaker 3: It's a very good question. Has probably dipped you?

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Speaker 1: See?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I need to keep it up.

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Speaker 2: You've got to keep it up otherwise you are not

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Speaker 3: If you would play your partner here, you think.

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Speaker 1: Who would be better? Dylan? Hands down?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, good, don't you?

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Speaker 1: You reckoned it between me and you. Listen, it's very

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Speaker 1: rarely that I would concede that Dylan would be better

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Speaker 1: when it comes to axe throwing? Honestly, well, I've never

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Speaker 1: Maybe we should, we should, you know, we should go

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Speaker 2: It's not my first time handling. So I grew up

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Speaker 1: And I mean I'm pretty accurate. I was pretty accurate

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Speaker 3: Right, maybe we'll see Dylan. So when's the competition.

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Speaker 2: Essentially, Well, we'll have to I mean, but between glamping

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Speaker 3: Aren't we but rustic today?

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Speaker 1: Isn't it terribly rustic?

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Speaker 3: It's a rustic Sunday?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Good, it is.

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Speaker 1: It's a rustic Sunday. Patrick.

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Speaker 2: We're going to have to leave it there because we

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Speaker 2: who's going to be on.

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Speaker 1: The lock in about two.

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Speaker 3: Can I tell people my my web do it immediately? Okay?

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Speaker 3: It's axminus o dot com dash.

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Speaker 2: Dash axe dash oh, Okay, it's okay, lost in translation?

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Speaker 3: Is I just said that because you can say it

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Speaker 2: In there, axe dash oh dot com dot com ax

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Speaker 1: That's it? Going for yourself?

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Speaker 2: Go and let me let us know how you get

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Speaker 2: on and if you go down there, tell them Essjay

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Speaker 2: sent you because then we'll know the stuff