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Speaker 2: our healthy living conversation. Now you may remember, was it

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Speaker 2: last week we had doctor Teddy Blatcher in studio. He

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Speaker 2: of transcendental meditation. It has been transformative for their students,

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Speaker 2: more information on what transcendental meditation is. Maybe you're someone

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Speaker 2: Dozini at Lulama. A very good morning to you. Welcome

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Thank you for having me, Thank.

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Speaker 2: You so much for joining that. So talk to us

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Speaker 2: about what Transcendental meditation.

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Speaker 1: Is Transcendental meditation is a mental practice for the better

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Speaker 1: use of mind and body. It is a way of

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Speaker 1: quite in one's mind. You think a mantra or a

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Speaker 1: sound without meaning, and that helps you then to refine

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Speaker 1: refined and finite and finer up until the faintest impulse

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Speaker 1: itself to experience itself what we call transcendental consciousness or

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Speaker 1: pure awareness or in a wakefulness. This is what people

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Speaker 1: refer to when they say they seeking in a peace,

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Speaker 1: or in a happiness, or in a calm, or in

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Speaker 1: a creativity or in intelligence. So meditation therefore is too.

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Speaker 1: It's a method of getting in touch with yourself. Is

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Speaker 1: you dive deep within yourself, but using a method or

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Speaker 1: a methodology that allows you to refine thinking.

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Speaker 2: Right, so it sounds, then correct me if I'm not

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Speaker 2: getting this correctly. Through transcendental meditation, you are able to

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Speaker 2: People often speak about the noise in their head. Are you, then,

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Speaker 1: Absolutely? Right?

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Speaker 2: And so when you then do that, what's left when

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Speaker 2: you do that well, is it different for different people.

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Speaker 1: It is different for different people, but it's the same

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Speaker 1: because it's a universal principle. It's the old stages that

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Speaker 1: have always said to us, know thyself. Knowing thyself is

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Speaker 1: the basis of greatness. If you're going to create magic

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Speaker 1: So to come back to your question, what is left

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Speaker 1: There the mind is left by itself to experience itself.

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Speaker 1: So there's no content of experience, there is no mantra,

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Speaker 1: Or a mantra, yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: All right, So what I mean by that a mantra

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so what are the benefits of transcendental meditation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and for you, what have been the benefits that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Lula Mamas, thank you ver very much for your

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Speaker 1: It's been an absolute pleasure. Thanks you cook.

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Speaker 2: That is transcendental meditation. Teacher Lula mat Dozini joining us

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Speaker 2: this morning. Coming up, we talk all things nature, Darry,

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