1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: Well, the Madlunga Commission of Inquiry continues to lay bare 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: the way in which the Twin Air Metro Police Department 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: has been working or not. We've had regular conversations every day, 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,959 Speaker 1: in fact, throughout the shortened week with ourw and colleague 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: Tubby saw Gorbus watched various people somewhat in descending order 6 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: in terms of rank at the TMPD coming in and 7 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: trying to account for the spending of public money on 8 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: services that a were not always needed and secondly if 9 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,919 Speaker 1: they were farm always paid for them than should have been. 10 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: Let's get the latest then, who has been questioned and 11 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: what kind of answers have they often? Tubby saw a 12 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: very good afternoon to you. Put us in the picture 13 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: first of all is to who was in the witness 14 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: stand and crucially what new have we learned about a 15 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: really rather depressing picture. I think it's fair to say. 16 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 2: Good afternoon, John. Well. The man on this witness stand 17 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 2: today them aloud commission was Umashi Lamini. Now he's the 18 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 2: suspended Deputy Chief of Police at the Tournam Micro Police Department. 19 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 2: Now it's a very key witness John, because he's the 20 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 2: man alleged to be at the center of this tender 21 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 2: manipulation and corruption at the TMPT. It was very much 22 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 2: implicated in the testimony of Sergeant finding go See and 23 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 2: today John, his testimony wrapped up at twelve because he 24 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 2: has to travel to Ka Town to do a race. 25 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 2: That's something he booked a long time before. But what 26 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 2: has happened is that as you know, John, that during 27 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 2: the first day of testimony at the Mallow Commission, it's 28 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 2: just the witness going through those statements, his statements, and 29 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 2: usually nine times out of saying, those witnesses are denying 30 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 2: whatever allegations that they've been leveled against at them. And 31 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 2: that's what we've actually seen here at the Macdowal Commission 32 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 2: with Umashi Lami. But even in that John, there was 33 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 2: also a bit of weird let's just say explanations that 34 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 2: Umashi Lamini gave forward. You remember that one of the 35 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 2: key allegations against Umashi Lamini was regarding the EFF he 36 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: got this there was this message that he sent to 37 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 2: search in funing Cosy about seven companies that he allegedly 38 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 2: got from the EFF and from the effc see which 39 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 2: is Julius Malay My Yes, John, and he explained that 40 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 2: saying that there were people who came to his home, 41 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,239 Speaker 2: who came to his office pretended to be from the 42 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:42,239 Speaker 2: EFF and gave him a list of seven companies and 43 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,679 Speaker 2: said they've already cleared this with the CFO, and that 44 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,679 Speaker 2: he sent those lists to search and fun Incos. He 45 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 2: saw that Sergeant Funing Cosy would then send this to 46 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 2: the CFO and then you know, verify whether this list 47 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 2: did exactly come from the and from the EFF leader. 48 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 2: Jules Malema umashe Lamini is saying that it was eventually 49 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 2: a lie and these people misrepresented themselves and they were 50 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 2: not necessarily from the E faith. And there was another 51 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 2: incident to John where there was an invoice dispute from 52 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 2: this controversial company Google Seedy five Solutions. We've heard a 53 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 2: lot about and this invoice dispute. It was interesting that 54 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 2: mister umashe Lamini said he was solving this dispute through 55 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 2: such and Cosi. He was communicating through such a Cosy 56 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 2: to the CFO, and the CFO was communicating to such 57 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 2: and Coci, who then communicated to him. And there was 58 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 2: a very obvious question from the commissioners saying that why 59 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 2: did this interaction between two senior officials from Twiny had 60 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 2: to happen through such a gasty when you can just 61 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 2: go up to his office or call him. And the 62 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 2: explanation mister Marshigabe said he did have the cfo's number, 63 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 2: So that's why all his dispute that he had communicated 64 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 2: them through an external person like such and coursey. So 65 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 2: I mean she's coming back at the later time joined 66 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 2: but even at the first day of his syestimony is 67 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 2: some weird, weird explanation that he's given. 68 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: I did happen to catch that, but I mean it 69 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: really is extraordinary that that would be offered as an explanation. 70 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: You go through somebody who has absolutely nothing either legally 71 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: or logistically to do with the business at hand, and 72 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 1: you say you do that because somebody who works for 73 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: the same organization as you is hard to get hold 74 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: of because you don't have their number. Well, so mister 75 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: Tlamini will be coming back. He may have some time 76 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: to reflect on possibly more compelling explanations for what appears 77 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: to be extremely questionable behavior. Thank you tubby. Silk Gorba 78 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 1: has really been watching this with an eagle eye, and 79 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: we're going to be hearing more about the swany Metro 80 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: Police Department. More witnesses still to appear. Half our three 81 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: on seven oh two drive, let's get the very latest 82 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: eyewitness news