1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: Hanging out with Clement one two let's walk the talk, 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: and today we are hanging out with award winning legendary 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: broadcaster John Robbie who's in the studio with us. John, 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to seven o two. Welcome back. It's so good 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: to heavy here. 6 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 2: It's fabulous to be here, and I hope it's not 7 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 2: hanging out to dry No. What can I just say 8 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 2: coming back here? And it's nine years that I've been 9 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 2: retired from seven o two. I can't believe it. And 10 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 2: I've been meeting some old friends and I hear you 11 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,959 Speaker 2: talking about that issue about the child, and I think 12 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 2: of Abraham and Isaac in the Bible, religion, health life, 13 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 2: My goodness, me, what a what an issue to talk about, 14 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 2: and and let's hope sanity prevails. 15 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, we really hope sanity will prevail. I mean, in 16 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: previously the CODs have intervened to try and get sanity 17 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: to prevail. And I suspect in this case the meta 18 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: will also end up in the courts. So can I 19 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: just say that there was when I joined Prime Media. 20 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 1: This is in twenty sixteen or thereabout? When did you leave? 21 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: I last twelve nine years ago? You know what they're saying, 22 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 2: that's terrible with math. So's there's three types of people 23 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 2: in the world. There's those who can do maths and 24 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 2: those who can't. 25 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: Okay, it looks like Abel care you said it was 26 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 1: pretty sivin Gino. So I arrived. It's just just before Christmas, 27 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: and I remember I was a reporter at Eyewitness News 28 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: and Katie Catapoti sent me to the Tulli House and 29 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: something was happening at the Tulia House in the morning, 30 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: and I had to do a crossing with you for 31 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: the very first time ever. I had just joined Prime 32 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: Media a couple of months ago. I was so never 33 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: now because I have been listening to you for so 34 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 1: long and I really admired you as a broadcast and 35 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: I thought, oh my goodness, what am I going to do? 36 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: I cannot mess this thing up. And Stephen Putter's had 37 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: a thing. I remember when I told him at the time, 38 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: I'm so scared. I've got a crossing with John Robby 39 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 1: and he said to me, don't f it up. You 40 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: know it is used to say, which didn't really help. 41 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: So speaking to you on your radio show, I felt 42 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: like I've made it. It was so incredible and I 43 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: just want you to know that was the highlight. 44 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 2: Of Well, I'm blushing here. But what I always did 45 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:18,279 Speaker 2: was because I had this sort of reputation of if 46 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 2: people gave me nonsense, I would try and hold them 47 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 2: to account. But with seven or two people, my job 48 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: was to make them look great. So I always said 49 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: that to whan. I obviously missed saying it to you, 50 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 2: but I said it to people. Look, my job is 51 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 2: to make you sound great on the radio because you're 52 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 2: part of the team. It's like the advertisers, you know. 53 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 2: My job is to help the advertisers put their products 54 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 2: up there. So it's a whole balance thing. And and 55 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: maybe I didn't make that that's clear to you beforehand. 56 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 2: But how did the interview go? It went really great. 57 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 2: It went really well. I'm glad it was. It was 58 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 2: quite increasing When people come up to me now and 59 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 2: say John I once spoke, I go, oh my goodness, 60 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 2: here we are. 61 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: What have I died? What have I died? Do you 62 00:02:58,680 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: miss it? I do? 63 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 2: I missed the platform. I missed the platform, and especially 64 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: with some of the nonsense that's going on in the 65 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 2: world at the moment, nonsense in South Africa and nonsense 66 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 2: in the in the world. I mean, you know, talking 67 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 2: about the cleansing of the anc the house, and you 68 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 2: know a premiere who talks about how he has to 69 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 2: shower and a hot I mean stuff like that. You 70 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 2: cannot you cannot not miss having a go at that 71 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 2: sort of nonsense. But equally the good things that are 72 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 2: out there. When something happens that is fantastic, And there 73 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 2: are good things out there. 74 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: I mean, dare I say it. 75 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 2: Our tax collecting is back to where it was under 76 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 2: the Great pravin Gordon, and you know, so keeping that 77 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 2: balance and having an opinion and so on what and 78 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 2: having this platform was a huge, huge privilege. But I 79 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 2: don't miss getting up in the morning. 80 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: And you probably don't miss it more than other people 81 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: who do breakfast because you used to wake up really 82 00:03:55,400 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: early and must to my goodness, I tell you what happened. 83 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 2: I mean going back and I know the book is out. 84 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to reading the book. Unfortunately I couldn't 85 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 2: make the launch, but but we made it up as 86 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 2: we went along. You know, there was seven or two 87 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 2: was a music station. It was rock and roll. It 88 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 2: was irreverent Stan Katz, John Burk's and that itself was 89 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 2: was revolutionary at the time in South Africa. And then 90 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 2: of course five FM with Malcolm Russell started and they 91 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 2: started a irreverent music station with a better signal, so 92 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 2: over a bottle of scotch, apparently staying Katz and Rina 93 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 2: Boomberg decided to go talk and they needed somebody to talk, 94 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 2: and I was doing sports and I was getting more 95 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 2: politically aware, and they threw me into the into the 96 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 2: graveyard shift and that was Talk at ten to Talk 97 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 2: at ten. They had to move me to Talk at 98 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 2: nine because too many parents were saying their student kids 99 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 2: weren't going to bed, they weren't getting sleep because they 100 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 2: were listening to the radio program. But I was I 101 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:03,239 Speaker 2: was in incredibly lucky in that a week after I started, 102 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: f W stood up in Parliament and said, we're changing 103 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 2: the world. And I was this little radio station right 104 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 2: up right up at the top, you know. But yeah, 105 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 2: so having that flat par was fantastic, and we made 106 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 2: it up. Then as we progressed, we started to say, well, 107 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 2: hold on a second, technically, we're all over the place. 108 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 2: You know, there's a there's a technique. There's a format 109 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 2: to radio, as there is with everything else, you know, 110 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 2: throwing forward and going backwards, recapping, how you handle ads, 111 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 2: how you you know, how you handle things, you know 112 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 2: you and you learn it. It's a trade, you learn 113 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 2: that particular trade. So they sent me to Australia and 114 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 2: I sat at the feet of the great Alan Jones, 115 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 2: who ruled breakfast radio for years and years and years 116 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 2: in Australia. Sadly has come to a bit of a 117 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 2: bad end. But that's a different, different story. And so 118 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 2: so what happened was he used to get in at 119 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 2: four o'clock in the morning, and I went and sat, 120 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 2: I listened to his radio program. The first I was 121 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 2: in Australia, I couldn't believe it. I wanted to give up. 122 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 2: It was so brilliant, it was just so incredible. Then 123 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 2: I went in four o'clock and I saw how they prepared, 124 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 2: and I saw how they put things together, et cetera. 125 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 2: And being a simple Irishman, Irish South African, I said, well, 126 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 2: if he gets in at three o'clock, if he gets 127 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 2: in at four o'clock, I'll get in at three o'clock. 128 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 2: This is when I moved to the morning, okay. And 129 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 2: so that's what I did. And then being a man 130 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 2: of habit. Once I started getting in at three o'clock 131 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 2: and got into the habit of how to run the show, 132 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 2: I couldn't change it. So I got up at quotabus 133 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 2: too every morning for seventeen years, and I'm proud to 134 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 2: say I was never late once. 135 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean they always tell us the story, You've 136 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: never been late once? What time would you go to bid? Then? 137 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 2: If you nine o'clock was always at nine o'clock was 138 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 2: always the absolute limit, except the day after the World 139 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 2: Cup soccer final in twenty ten, yeah, which is when 140 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 2: I got I got quarter to one and I got 141 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 2: up at quarter past two. But you know, you couldn't 142 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 2: miss that day because those days were so fabulous and 143 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 2: that was such a great day. 144 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: Ah Man, those are such amazing stories. You always have 145 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: interesting stories to tell. Love it. We want to get 146 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: to know you also through song, John, and we're gonna 147 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: start with one of your favorite songs, African Dream by 148 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: Vigi Simpson. Tell me about that? Why is it so specialty? 149 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 2: But it's so special because of I mean, I'm talking 150 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 2: about the World Cup soccer. I remember obviously the World 151 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 2: Cup rugby ninety five, but even bigger was the Cup 152 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 2: of Nations in ninety six when South Africa won the 153 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: Cup of Nations. I mean it was incredible and I 154 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 2: went with Dan Mayanni to every single game except when 155 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 2: I missed the very first game against Cameroon. And as 156 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 2: it went through that tournament and the crowd it was, 157 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 2: it was so sensational. And then to win tu nil 158 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 2: against Unisia in the final and Mark Williams scoring and 159 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 2: if you're a men, remember this was the song of 160 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 2: the tournament. It was Vicky Samson singing this song about 161 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 2: the African dream and of course the African dream which 162 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 2: was modeled on the American dream. And of course it 163 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 2: came true in the Cup of Nations and we hope 164 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 2: it'll come through come true in general. But this song 165 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 2: has very very special. 166 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 3: Hi, young Robbie, so happy to hear you. Arrange you 167 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 3: you won't remember me, but I went a prize with 168 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 3: you years ago. We had to talk to each other 169 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 3: and Lena, I said to you, put a sock in it, 170 00:08:55,600 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 3: John and I went five thousand rands and forget that. 171 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 3: Good luck to you and love it to you. 172 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 1: Thank you very very much. 173 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 4: Love good morning to the living legends. It must feel 174 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 4: so good John, to receive your flowers while you still alive. 175 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 4: And Clement, no hard feelings. But for the next day 176 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 4: ten minutes, we're not hearing you. Bro Hi, John, you 177 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 4: sir made me love talk radio. The only regret I 178 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 4: have is that I have I didn't listen to you 179 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 4: soon enough. 180 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: But for a few years that I listened to you, man, 181 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: it was so good. 182 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 4: And I remember me and my body of mine. We 183 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 4: were so so heart broken when we heard of your departure. 184 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 4: But damn man, I'm still wishing you all the best 185 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 4: and whatever you're involved with. 186 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: Wow, don't live John. 187 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:56,719 Speaker 5: Good morning, Clement, good money to seven or two listeners. Yo, 188 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 5: you are today you are hosting one of the traits 189 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 5: present us of all time in the John Broggy. Thanks 190 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 5: for bringing him back. Thanks for the memories, and I'm 191 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 5: sure that in one of her he saw that you 192 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 5: have selected the spirit of a great tad by by 193 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 5: Johnny Clegg is there and I'm sure that will be 194 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 5: with me two. 195 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 6: Thank you, Oh man. 196 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: How was it tough to decide to leave? 197 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 2: It was the most friendly ending I think in the 198 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 2: history of broadcasting, because inevitably it ends in tears one 199 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 2: way or another. When someone comes to the end of 200 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 2: a time, whether it's seven or two or anyone else. 201 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 2: But I well, I mean, I've just turned seventy, now, 202 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 2: can you believe it? I still think I'm a twenty 203 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 2: one year old rugby player. And you know, I think 204 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 2: I was thirty two when I came on seven something 205 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 2: like that, seven oh two, and I'm seventy and I 206 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 2: just knew so for two and a half years. I 207 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 2: told seven or two Terry falk Lane, I said, look, 208 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 2: I want to end it. I want to end it. 209 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 2: It's coming to an end. And they said, all right, 210 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 2: But but I said, of in no hurry, but I'm 211 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 2: just telling you it's coming to an end. And so 212 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 2: what they did was they said, we'll we'll tell you 213 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 2: when it when it's wrong. We don't want you to go, 214 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 2: but we'll tell you when. 215 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: How many years before you left? It was two two 216 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: and a half years. 217 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 2: And then, if you remember, my dear friend Reedy Slaby 218 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 2: was on maternity leave, and they brought in a gentleman 219 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 2: called Eusebius ma Kaiser, who shook things up a little bit. 220 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 2: And then when really came back, they said, because Eusebius 221 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 2: obviously had had had a career, big career ahead of him, 222 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 2: you know, sadly no long longer with us. Although we 223 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 2: were never we're never great friends. I must be honest. 224 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 2: And then they sort of said, well, if you come back, 225 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 2: you know we want you back, but if you come back, 226 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 2: we're going to have to lose maybe Eusebius or somebody else. 227 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 2: So it just the time was right and they were 228 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 2: fantastic and the party was amazing. I can remember my 229 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 2: last show and everybody outside and and then the one 230 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 2: thing I'd always wanted to do was I love the 231 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 2: outside broadcasts. And seven O two said to me, they said, look, 232 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 2: as long as there's a reason for it, we'll we'll 233 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 2: go there. So a Rugby World Cup, we'll go to Australia, 234 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 2: We'll go to the UK. Laurius World Sports Awards. I'm 235 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 2: proud to be an ambassador, was in Saint Petersburg. We 236 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 2: went to Saint Petersburg. We went to Nigeria when they 237 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 2: said Nigerian's GDP is bigger than South Africa, so we 238 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 2: went to Legos. That was a funny story because everyone 239 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 2: said Legos, you can't go to Legos, And my wife 240 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 2: wouldn't let me take my Knife's one and they said, 241 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 2: you know, you've got to be careful. And we got 242 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 2: to Lagos and the nicest people I've ever met, and 243 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 2: all they could say was, how do you live in Johannesburg? 244 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: How do you? How do you live? 245 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 2: But that's another story. And the one place I never 246 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 2: got to was India. And I read that book Shantam, 247 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 2: and I just said, I've got to see India before 248 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 2: I die. So seven o two very kindly organized a 249 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 2: trip to India for my wife and myself and we 250 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 2: brought some friends along and it was it was fantastic. 251 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 2: So so of course I was sad to go, but 252 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 2: I just knew, like the end of my rugby career, the. 253 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: Time is right, The time is right. Yes, Wait, speaking 254 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: of the rugby career, at what point did you get 255 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: interested in broadcasting? From after rugby then being a spots 256 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 1: journalist sports presenter to doing talk at ten. What picked 257 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: your interest in broadcasting? Do you remember the time when 258 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: you thought, I actually like this thing, I'd like to 259 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: do this. 260 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 2: I'd always done interview as well, you know, as a sportsman, 261 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 2: as a captain, you know you do an interview. 262 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: I'd always done that quite well. 263 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 2: Whether it was an island or here, and then when 264 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 2: I came to South Africa, I remember driving down I 265 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 2: think it was Commissioner Street, one of the streets, and 266 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 2: I was new to the country and I was twiddling 267 00:13:53,880 --> 00:14:00,199 Speaker 2: the radio and I came across this sound and an't 268 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 2: make the noise, but it was like an animal. Then 269 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 2: it was two animals, and then I realized it was 270 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 2: a competition on radio where John Burks had asked people 271 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 2: to phone in two people and they had to make 272 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 2: a noise like beaver's mating. 273 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: Okay, And I looked around and every. 274 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 2: Car the people were just falling about laughing. 275 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. I said, what is this? 276 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 2: And I came from Ireland and you know that we 277 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 2: had the pirate radio stations Radio Caroline Luxembourger but I'd 278 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 2: never heard anything like this. So I became a fan 279 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 2: of seven h two and I was playing rugby for 280 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 2: the Transvile rugby team, which are now the Lions, and 281 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 2: we weren't having a very good time. But John Burks 282 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 2: and the late Kevin Kelly, who was his engineer, they 283 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 2: were great trans Valve fans. So every so often there 284 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 2: were no cell phones, but I would phone in and 285 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 2: just say thank you for support, Thank you for support. 286 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 2: And then I got a call from Chris Givens asking 287 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 2: would I like to come in and do them morning sport. 288 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 2: And at the time I had a job with a 289 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 2: company called National Trading Company. It was sort of a 290 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 2: rugby job, but you know, I worked. I worked hard 291 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 2: at it. I was involved in sales, and so I 292 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 2: would come in and do the early morning sport and 293 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 2: then I'd go and work for National Trading and then 294 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 2: I would do my rugby training. So I basically had 295 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 2: three jobs and I used to do the morning sport 296 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 2: three times a week. David Williams, who I believe was 297 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 2: at the book launch, was one of the writers of 298 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 2: the new seven oh two History, which I'm looking forward 299 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 2: to reading. And we used to do a whole shift 300 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 2: and we got paid twenty eight rand. That was our 301 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 2: fee for the whole thing. But I fell in love 302 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 2: with it absolutely the minute I started. I said, this 303 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 2: is what I want to do. And I had thirty 304 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 2: years on seven oh two. 305 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: What can you tell us about the transition of the 306 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: station and the transition of the country, which I imagine 307 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: also somehow found expression through how you guys did the 308 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: work and the conversations you had, because I mean, seventeen 309 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: years is a long time you started. I'm sure the 310 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: listenership was also, I mean at the time probably majority 311 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: white listeners on seven two in the country a particular. 312 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 2: Although if I can just come in here, the original 313 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 2: seven or two was the Rainbow of Sound Rainbow station. 314 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 2: It was the first sort of we had. They had 315 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 2: because it was before my time. They had people of 316 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 2: all different colors and and there was a large listen 317 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 2: but basically it was white. You know, people would make 318 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 2: jokes talk about things that in those days, remember everything. 319 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: Was a part. 320 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 2: Of course, there was a cross listenership. But once the 321 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 2: country moved, and I think the station and I got 322 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 2: to give credit to Chris Gibbons, I gotta give I mean, 323 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 2: Chris and I were never close, but Chris Gibbons when 324 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 2: the station was an irreverent music, funny, beaver mating nation, 325 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 2: Chris Gibbons ran a newsroom that was fantastic, that was 326 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 2: world class and took no nonsense from everywhere and broke boundaries, 327 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 2: et cetera. And I think then when we went to talk, 328 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 2: I am modest was one of the first people to say, look, 329 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 2: we're not going to talk about what's your favorite coffee 330 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 2: or what movies have you seen. We're on the edge 331 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 2: of history here, we run a knife edge in this country. 332 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 2: And as I say, we started having a real conversation 333 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 2: and it was at times very scary. At times it 334 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 2: was it was pretty pretty hardcore. We had great fun 335 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 2: as well because we felt like we were not just 336 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 2: living through history, but making history. And now, I mean, 337 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 2: I got those lovely calls, but the ones that really 338 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 2: get me now when people phone up and I'll tell 339 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 2: you we time for a very quick story, quick story. 340 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 2: I was invited to give out prizes at a golf 341 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 2: day in Pretoria. At one of the golf clubs in Pretoria. 342 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 2: Dennis Hutchinson, the great golf golfer and commentator, couldn't do it. 343 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 2: It was one of the casinos. So Jenny and I 344 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 2: on a Sunday went up to this golf day and 345 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 2: we played golf and then I had. 346 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: To go to the casino. 347 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 2: We had to go and give out the prizes and 348 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 2: we were late in and the people started moving away 349 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 2: and a waiter came up to me and said that 350 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 2: someone wants to know are you a member of the 351 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 2: anc which is a band organization or whatever, and I 352 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 2: thought it was a joke, so I said, now tell 353 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 2: him I'm a member of the CNA. 354 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: You know. 355 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 2: I thought that'd be a good joke, and then it 356 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 2: wasn't because there were three Afrikaans AWB supporting guys and 357 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 2: we had to get away with a life. They nearly 358 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 2: beat us up and they wanted to kill us, and 359 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 2: I said, if you give out the prizes, we will 360 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 2: kill you. And there were big gamblers and anyway, it 361 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 2: was a horrible time. About three years ago, somebody phoned 362 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 2: me and said, you know, it's a guy in our 363 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 2: club who says he was one of those guysness and 364 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 2: he's always felt terrible about it, realized what you were 365 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 2: trying to do and wants to pass on a pilot. 366 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 2: And I said, I'd love to meet that guy, you know. 367 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 2: And then also young black activists who thought maybe all 368 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 2: white people were like Eugene Tella Blanche and they say, 369 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 2: I listened to you. I realized that not everybody is 370 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 2: as we are told. So those people have come back 371 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 2: and say, maybe I didn't like you at first, but 372 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 2: I get it now. 373 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: You opened our eyes. 374 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 2: A little bit, or opened our ears a little bit. 375 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 2: Those are the calls that that I love. But having 376 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 2: said that, it's just lovely to be remembered. 377 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 1: That's amazing. It's tenth thirty one two walk the Talk 378 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: twenty two minutes before eleven outlaw. 379 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 2: I just thought, I just thought of something, Yes, Brad, Yeah, 380 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 2: what about Rise and Zanzi? 381 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: Yeah with the AMC with the eight zs one braid 382 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: one family, Rise Zanzi? So that John Ravi is that 383 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: our hanging out fature this morning. What a lovely conversation 384 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 1: and getting your messages. We've got so many calls, so 385 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: many what's ups, and I promise I'll get to them 386 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: in a moment. Jenny Cruise Williams just send me a 387 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: what's up and says hey, Clement, John was the reason 388 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: I fell in love with seven o two. I've never 389 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: had anything like it. The vitality was just le Jenny. 390 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: That's lovely. Thank you Jenny for the message. And then 391 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: our colleague from nine for seven thunder Tibeta says Clement, 392 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: tell John to say these words for the businessman who 393 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: knows what he wants. 394 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 2: Caleaks callaques tell him I cent you, oh man, you 395 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 2: know do you know? 396 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 1: Do you know how that started? You? 397 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 2: Please to move from the Oriental Plaza into Santan. And 398 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 2: they'd started there, you know, a bunch of bunch of 399 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 2: Indians shop and Santon. This is when Santon was almost 400 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 2: lily white. And they placed ads on seven or twos. 401 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 2: They were listeners, and I'll never forget it. The first 402 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 2: ad was for a tuxedo and it was three hundred 403 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 2: and seventy rand to buy a tuxedo. And I think 404 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 2: maybe they threw in his shirt. And my son who's 405 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 2: now a lawyer living in living in London, my son 406 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 2: was going to all these metric dancers and he must 407 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 2: have been quite a good looking guy because he was 408 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 2: getting invited to all these dancers. And I was hiring 409 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 2: the suits. So I read the ads and then I 410 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 2: said to yourself a favor. If you've got a kid, 411 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 2: whose boy who's going to buy one of these suits, 412 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 2: you'll save yourself a fortune, you know. And Calliques reported 413 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 2: they had queues around the corner. What I never had 414 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 2: a contract with Calaques. We've remained huge, huge friends. I 415 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 2: was there two weeks ago and and Muhamma Dad tells 416 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 2: you I actually met Khalique there himself, the man who 417 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 2: started it, and they said that seven out of ten customers, 418 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 2: say John, Robbie said, tell him, my son. 419 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, how's last time I went this? I said, John 420 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: said I must tell you guys, And he said me, 421 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: all right, So let's go to some course, John, and 422 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: oh one eighty three or seven o two, Peter, let's 423 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 1: start with you. You are in Sentin. Good morning to night, Peter. 424 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 6: It's Peter tonight. They were playing here. 425 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: Tonight the boxing. 426 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 7: John. 427 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 6: You you were saying, how you you you've got into 428 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 6: seven o two. Now I want to relate to my 429 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 6: student how I got into seven o two? 430 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 1: Because it does you. 431 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 3: No. 432 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 6: I used to call you off of talking about boxing. 433 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 6: And when they said to me, listen, why don't you 434 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 6: come and Joynathan come a boxing corrosspondent And I said, well, 435 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 6: I'm a student. I'm an engineering student, advice, and and 436 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 6: I don't know anything about journalism and reporting. And remember 437 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 6: what you said to me, John, tell me journalism is 438 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 6: not a science, it's a it's a it's an art. 439 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 6: He said, look at me, a rugby player. I'm right now, Wow, 440 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 6: I'm a journalist. And then John, you gave me one 441 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 6: one one one lesson which which I always used, and 442 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 6: I think it made me who I am in in 443 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 6: in boxing. And you said to me, Peter, every time 444 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 6: there is a boxing match or class conference or anything 445 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 6: like that, look for something that is different than everybody. 446 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 6: It's not seeing something that any that that no one's seeing. 447 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 6: And then I just give that, John, and it was 448 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 6: just incredible. So I just want to thank you joined that. Yeah, 449 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 6: I know you you you you you you really that's fantastic. 450 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: I'm blushing, man, Thank you very much. That's amazing. Thank 451 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: you so much, Peter for the call. Raillo you and 452 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: dreams are high. 453 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 7: Hi Clement, Hi John, the Souvietry Report. Hey, how are 454 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 7: you doing very very well? I couldn't agree more with Peza, 455 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 7: with Tanda and Johnny Chris William You made me a 456 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,959 Speaker 7: very confident communicator because you gave me an opportunity for 457 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 7: the Suviatory Report, because I was just a regular caller 458 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 7: because my parents used to listen to seven oh two. 459 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,360 Speaker 7: And I just want to ask you this question, John, 460 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 7: do you know how much of an influential person you 461 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 7: are in our country? 462 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: H do you know? Do you know I'm an old 463 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: dinosaur man, an dinosaur? 464 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 7: Look, you've you've produced people like myself. I remember when 465 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 7: Alex Tillispi was still the producer. Paladi Ganga I think 466 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 7: was the station manager for Bramji and and even after 467 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 7: the program and how I was coached and you encouraged 468 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 7: me that seven o two should take me for training 469 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 7: to become a better person. Subsequently, I had a radio 470 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,360 Speaker 7: program on Jose FM and at the SAPC, I did 471 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 7: a program called the Business Review. So thank you so 472 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 7: much for everything and for really encouraging us. There's a 473 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 7: lot of young black people that you've encouraged, You've developed, 474 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,479 Speaker 7: and you also opened doors for them. Lastly, I met 475 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 7: Tabombag because of you in two thousand and two and 476 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,679 Speaker 7: he came to Sovit for the June sixteen commemoration. So 477 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 7: because of you invited me and an outside broadcasting So 478 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 7: I met it because of you. Thank you so much 479 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,199 Speaker 7: and I'll forever be grateful. 480 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you so much. So what's 481 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: it's a katy cry. 482 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 8: Morning, Clement and money to the legendary in the studio, 483 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 8: John Robbie. I used to listen to him and uh Dan. 484 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: Years ago. 485 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 8: Please ask John to tell you the story about him 486 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 8: and Louis Light when you were still playing for the 487 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 8: DN Transvaal TALKDA in Rainbow. 488 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 9: It's so good to see John again back on the airwaves. 489 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 9: I hope you good. 490 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 5: John. 491 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 9: I was a young technical producer doing the midnight show 492 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 9: between obviously midnight and six o'clock, and I remember John 493 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 9: came in and ran about I think three o clock 494 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 9: if I'm not mistaken three and he was always always 495 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 9: on time. Anyway, good show, Thanks Clams, bye. 496 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 10: At eleven Tabo. Yeah, you know, I can never stop 497 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 10: to admire John Robbin. 498 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 11: From the days of seven or two Talk at nine 499 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 11: broadcasting from medon some mountain. 500 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 10: You know, I couldn't sleep without listening. 501 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 9: To that guy. 502 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 11: I was. 503 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: I was intention with them, and you know, I was so. 504 00:25:52,560 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 11: Fascinated by how you would you analyze the South African 505 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 11: you know, political landscape. 506 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 1: And he was so frank. 507 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 10: I'm telling you, you are so frank. I'm missing a 508 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 10: lot that I miss my lot. I must really say 509 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 10: that those are the kind of guys. 510 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: Who made me listen to several or two all the way. 511 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 1: I even forgot about music. 512 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 10: My my my radio is playing several from money to 513 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 10: the noon every day because of people like him. 514 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: Thank you so much Jode beautiful have you. I've always 515 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 1: known that the kind of impact you had on people, 516 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: like when you listen to this not not really. 517 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,439 Speaker 2: I mean we were living through history and and and 518 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 2: bear in mind, and I'm not going to bang on 519 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 2: about this, but I was a rugby player toured here 520 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 2: in the old days of apartheid, and it's something I've 521 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 2: atoned for, I believe, and I'm very ashamed of it. 522 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 2: But I was a young rugby player. It was my 523 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 2: dream to rugby and then suddenly I was on seven 524 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 2: or two and I loved it. And suddenly the country 525 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 2: was heading towards and people forget that this country. Every 526 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 2: time you look at Gaza, the obscenity there, you look 527 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 2: at the obscenity of Ukraine, you look at the obscenity 528 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 2: of Soudan, you look at these terrors that could have 529 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 2: been South Africa. When the first election took place, everyone 530 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 2: remembers the happiness, the long cues bonds went off at 531 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 2: then Jansmut's airport, people were killed. Would the army go 532 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 2: with the new dispensation? The country was on a knife edge, 533 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 2: and I think that that that that we I Alan Matthews, 534 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 2: my producer, Alistair Tealing Smith. 535 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: You know, it was a team. 536 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 2: We were like minded, and we saw this golden opportunity. 537 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 2: And thank god that Nelson and Ella and f. W. Declerk, 538 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 2: who didn't like each other very much, but both of 539 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 2: them could see the way forward. And I remember when 540 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 2: Chris Hani was killed at the Easter Show that the 541 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 2: weekend of the Easter Show, and he was murdered by 542 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 2: this mad anti communist Polish Janis Vallas, and that the 543 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 2: country could have gone up in flames, and it really could. 544 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 2: And Nelson Mandela stood up and paid tribute to this 545 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 2: white Afrikaans lady who'd identified Vallas and said this this 546 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 2: is what we look at, not not the terrible murder. 547 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 2: And and at the time it was so exciting because 548 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 2: you were actually living through history and and you were 549 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 2: driven so much that it was what you said where 550 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 2: you're listening to you didn't think of the impact. That's 551 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 2: why when I come now, and that's you know the 552 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 2: story about the golf and that the person who wanted 553 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 2: to kill me and so and I look back now 554 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 2: and and and there's that old expression. The older you get, 555 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 2: the better you were. I mean, I made every mistake 556 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 2: in the book and pissed people off and said stupid things. 557 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 2: But the one thing was it was always genuine. 558 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 3: It was me. 559 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 2: What you got on the radio was what I was 560 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 2: off the radio. 561 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 9: You know. 562 00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 2: Some people put on a persona radio persona whatever, and 563 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 2: but but it's lovely when people come up to you. 564 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,959 Speaker 2: I mean, I was in yesterday, of all things. I 565 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 2: was in a wallpaper shop in Cramerville, buying some wallpaper, 566 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 2: getting excited about wallpaper. 567 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: This is how old I am now. 568 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 2: And there was a young lady, very very helpful, young lady, 569 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 2: Kira was her name, and she was helping us. And 570 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 2: a lady came rushing out, It's like the old and said, 571 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 2: I reckonize a voice. 572 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: John, Robbie, how are you doing? Oh gosh, moments like that, 573 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: speaking of being frank and pissing people love. Have you 574 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: got into trouble with this government officials. I'm sure you haven't. 575 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,479 Speaker 1: The politicians, because of how frank you are in how 576 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: you must be. You must be joking the Minister of health. Yes, 577 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: oh my, oh my god, that was. 578 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 2: I mean, I've got a I've got a poster in 579 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 2: my bar. 580 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: Robbie Winn's war. 581 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 2: You know, it was the height of the AIDS lunacy 582 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 2: is where Taboo and Becky, who in many ways was 583 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 2: a great president, but he had a couple of blind 584 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 2: spots Zimbabwe, he was one and AIDS. He did not 585 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 2: believe HIV caused AIDS. And he had this minister, doctor 586 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 2: Manto Shabalala Simang, who went and it was a lunacy. 587 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 2: And I remember it might have been Katie Catapotus, but 588 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 2: somebody had a domestic worker at home who died of 589 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 2: age and her mouth was filled with clothes of garlic 590 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 2: because they said garlic and you know, African potatoes and 591 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 2: all this sort of stuff, and it was lunacy. And 592 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 2: then shall I tell you the full story, because I 593 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 2: don't never ever told the full story. What happened was 594 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 2: the minister, who was a medical doctor, went along with 595 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 2: the party line and so he had all this nonsense 596 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 2: and it was terrible and it was dreadful. But and 597 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 2: Becky was a very powerful man, so people were loathed 598 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 2: across him. And the DA might have even have been 599 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 2: the Democratic Party in those days. I can't remember. They 600 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 2: sent a thing and said they've received something from the 601 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 2: Department of Health saying that AIDS comes from aliens. It 602 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 2: comes from out of space, it comes from little green men, 603 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 2: it comes out the d official document said we've received 604 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 2: this from the Minister of Health, the Ministry of Health. 605 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 2: Get the minister on. So we got the Minister on 606 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 2: and I said, what's this? And first of all, she 607 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 2: was late. It was a terrible line, all the things 608 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 2: that in those days you tried to get someone to say, 609 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 2: please be on a good line, Please don't be late. 610 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 2: Because anyway, she came on and I was trying to 611 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 2: make a very informal show. So I called her by 612 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 2: her first name, A Manto. You know what's the story? 613 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 2: And she said, John, this is very disingenuous of the 614 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 2: DA because anything to do with AIDS from all over 615 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 2: the world we put in a bundle, We copy it 616 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 2: and we send it to all the different provinces. This 617 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,719 Speaker 2: was one of five hundred things about AIDS, something that 618 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 2: came up from somewhere, and we included it in the 619 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 2: bundle and we sent it off. In other words, she'd 620 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 2: answered the question. It was one tiny piece of everything 621 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 2: to do with AIDS. So I looked around and thought, well, 622 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 2: let's get the DA on and tell him to stop 623 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 2: messing around. And you know, causing trouble. Then I looked 624 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 2: at the clock and saw I had another five minutes 625 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 2: left interview. So I said, well, why didn't you put 626 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 2: How's this for Looney Tunes on the top, just to 627 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 2: there's no confusion? And she said there is no confusion. 628 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,239 Speaker 2: I said, what do you mean? She says, there is 629 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 2: no confusion about AIDS. Our policy is perfectly clear. And 630 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 2: I said, of course there's confusion. The whole country is confused. 631 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 2: People are there is no confusion, There is no confusion. 632 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:23,959 Speaker 2: And I was getting a bit thing. And then I 633 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 2: remember Jeremy Paxman, who was a broadcaster in the UK, 634 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 2: who was being stonewalled by somebody. I forget the question, 635 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 2: but he asked the question thirteen times to a politician, 636 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 2: just ask the question, asked the question asked. So I said, 637 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 2: do you believe HIV causes AIDS? And she said that's 638 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 2: not the point. I said, do you not believe HIV 639 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 2: causes AIDS? 640 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:47,719 Speaker 1: Now? 641 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 2: Then she realized she was in trouble. She wouldn't answer 642 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 2: the question, and then she said, and we haven't met. 643 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 2: You called me manto instead of and the whole thing. 644 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 2: And then I lost and I said I never heard 645 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 2: such a rubbish put the phone down and oh my god, 646 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 2: all hell localis and the ANC wanted me fired, and 647 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 2: they were going to ban all the take all the 648 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 2: advertising from Prime Outdoors and not give it to them. 649 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 2: And I mean, I was in the middle of well 650 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 2: a shit storm, if I can use that, excuse my language, 651 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 2: a ship storm, and it was terrible, and he were 652 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 2: right there in the middle of it. And seven o two, 653 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 2: Dan Mayanni and Rena Brumberg stood by me, and then 654 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 2: William Kersh, and I understand now went behind and sort 655 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 2: of apologized for the way I'd said things, and not 656 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 2: for what a little bit of an apology. So I'm 657 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 2: ashamed to say. I was furious, and I stormed into 658 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 2: a board meeting. All the board members of Prime Media 659 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 2: were there, and I called William Kersh a gutless few in. 660 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: Front of the body, in front of everybody. 661 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 2: I was so furious, angry, and I actually resigned that 662 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 2: weekend because of it, and I was talked out of it, 663 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 2: and then on Monday the ANC said we've moved on, 664 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 2: there is no threat. And the one thing I remember 665 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 2: is that the week after this row, Cada Asthma stood up. 666 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 2: He was a minister I think of water affairs and 667 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 2: he was a professor at my old university. When he 668 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,879 Speaker 2: was in exile at Dublin University. I'd never met him. 669 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 2: And he stood up and he called out and Becky 670 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 2: and the Health Department on aids. He was the first 671 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 2: person to stand up, and I'd love to think he 672 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 2: sort of thought that little loud mouthed irishman who I 673 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 2: used to protest against for playing rugby in South Africa, 674 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 2: he had the guts to stand up. And then years 675 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 2: later I met the Lake Cadaasthma and I thought he's 676 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 2: going to give me a hard time for the rugby, 677 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 2: and he threw his arms around me and said, what 678 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,240 Speaker 2: you and Dan Mayannie do is beautiful. 679 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 1: So you asked that I have to get into trouble. Yes, 680 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 1: I got into rummy. You got into big, big, big trouble. 681 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 1: So I want to play song at least another one 682 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,800 Speaker 1: before we get to rip Up by Jack Elton John 683 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: at the end of the set. Tell me about that. 684 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 2: El Elton John was my first absolute superstar. I just 685 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 2: loved him, his music and Bernie Toppin's words, and then 686 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 2: of course it came out he was gay, and of 687 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 2: course I grew up in Holy Catholic Islander. 688 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: To be gay. 689 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 2: It was something you know, you didn't meet Gabe. Of 690 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 2: course you met gay people, but nobody was openly gay. 691 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 2: And he was sort of the first person who came out. 692 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 2: And he was just so brilliant that it that it 693 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 2: didn't matter. And this song just for some reason, I 694 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 2: think of the Caribbean. I think of the Little bar 695 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,879 Speaker 2: and the Caribbean, and I can't dare when you watch 696 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 2: me getting up and dance. Now, I don't normally dance, 697 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 2: and when I do, I don't dance normally, so I 698 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,399 Speaker 2: might just get up and dance during this one. 699 00:35:39,760 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: I was here to take the video of that. I 700 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 1: don't want top this up. I don't want to do 701 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 1: it again. It was it was so fun, John, thank 702 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: you so much. 703 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,839 Speaker 2: Let me never just apologize to anybody are pissed off, 704 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:27,839 Speaker 2: you know, apart from politicians occasionally where I try very Yeah, 705 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,439 Speaker 2: we're bad politicians because I wouldn't do that job. They've 706 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 2: got the hardest job in the world. But but to 707 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,879 Speaker 2: anyone have ever pissed off, I don't think I ever 708 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 2: intended to do it. I apologize and to the people 709 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 2: who enjoyed what I did all those years, and and 710 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 2: I'm available. 711 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: I'm out there. 712 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:44,919 Speaker 2: I'm looking for something to do. If does anyone needs 713 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 2: an ambassador or something like that, I am available. You 714 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 2: can find me on Twitter. Hit me up. 715 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 1: Is that what I say? Hanging with you out to 716 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,879 Speaker 1: dry and then hit me up and then hit me up. John. 717 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,439 Speaker 1: On a serious note, thank you so much for coming through. 718 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 1: You have been in inspiration to us who followed on 719 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,840 Speaker 1: your path, and we just appreciate the guidance that you 720 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: also give us because you do give us our feedback 721 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 1: and we appreciate that, and we appreciate the work that 722 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 1: you've done. We're coming through to hang out. It's a 723 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:14,919 Speaker 1: minute before eleven.