Speaker 1: Focusing on our topic this morning, it's very important to
Speaker 1: look at this and Flumento Club as a political analyst
Speaker 1: and joins us on the last on the line Soum Club,
Speaker 1: we look Tremelo. We are looking at the fallout from
Speaker 1: Whitfield's dismissal. We've seen last week where all of us
Speaker 1: are South Africans, appealing for the best was the best
Speaker 1: interest of South Africans, So that's what we're appealing to,
Speaker 1: the inviting itself. Who stands to lose the most out
Speaker 1: of this love triangle?
Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning, and thanks for having me this morning. Well,
Speaker 2: if you can currently look at this coalition sit up,
Speaker 2: I'd say it's obvious the ANC is a leading figure
Speaker 2: in that it's the largest party within the GNU. So
Speaker 2: I think that between the ANC and the GA, the
Speaker 2: GA obviously has a lot more to lose out. I mean,
Speaker 2: we saw the fact the fact that they still are
Speaker 2: reluctant to talk of the GNU every time they can,
Speaker 2: always threatening but not ultimately walking out, shows that they're
Speaker 2: the ones that have more to lose, because a party
Speaker 2: that was actually not Belgium scared of losing out in anything,
Speaker 2: would have walked out of the Junior a long time ago,
Speaker 2: considering the amount of times that they've always given an
Speaker 2: automatum and always threatened to walk out. If you will
Speaker 2: recall last year during the passing of the Faila Act,
Speaker 2: they still gaze these thereat exhibited that these days that
Speaker 2: they they did not like they did now even if
Speaker 2: the Exppropriation Act. They always come out as if they
Speaker 2: are going to do something that is that is unexpected,
Speaker 2: meaning that they were going to do something that is
Speaker 2: going to like rattle the entire coalition, but they end
Speaker 2: up not doing anything. Even with the budget vote for instance,
Speaker 2: the DA always threatens to do something, but they never
Speaker 2: do it. So I would say that their bark is
Speaker 2: worse than their bite if we've been honest about this,
Speaker 2: because they've been doing automations and also they're not talking.
Speaker 2: But they've always been taken to walk out to the
Speaker 2: g and you think that instability, but they don't really
Speaker 2: live up to such to those expectations or to those promises,
Speaker 2: which shows a party that is in government and does
Speaker 2: much want to leave. I think now they've actually helped
Speaker 2: into the gravy train and have seen what it's lack
Speaker 2: in government. Therefore vera that ting to walk out.
Speaker 1: So we're going to miss that objective view we want
Speaker 1: from in opposition party because this is not about the
Speaker 1: DA or A and CE. Fundamentally, from a principal perspective,
Speaker 1: we're looking for people to hold each other accountable, systems
Speaker 1: and processes, where and checks and balances. That's the ideal situation.
Speaker 1: But what we're caught up in, as you're mentioning now,
Speaker 1: is a corruption of what those fundamentals are. What does
Speaker 1: the ideal opposition party look like. There's been some good
Speaker 1: work being done by the DA, as mentioned, and we've
Speaker 1: read articles and that's what we want for South Africa.
Speaker 1: What does the ideal opposition party look like? And let's
Speaker 1: talk about those members of success that the DA has
Speaker 1: been able to spark.
Speaker 2: Look, I think one thing that you need to get
Speaker 2: clear that the DA at this point in times no
Speaker 2: opposition party. I think that they're just conflicted between being
Speaker 2: a party in government and being an opposition because the
Speaker 2: stands of the position that they always want to take
Speaker 2: with as far as the AGENC is concerned, is acting
Speaker 2: like a watchdog to the agency. Because if you can
Speaker 2: look at the same multi party coalition, you'll find that
Speaker 2: they're the ones that always have a problem, not even
Speaker 2: Freedom Front Pluss actually always is opposing the what the
Speaker 2: ANC does and all of that. Well, a couple of
Speaker 2: times we have things for them Front Class trying to work.
Speaker 2: They tail when it comes to the person of the
Speaker 2: Badges as well as some past legislations that are passed
Speaker 2: like the Better Act as well as Expefication Act. But
Speaker 2: the DA and the A that are the ones that
Speaker 2: seem to be have to be more problematic than the
Speaker 2: other political parties, like I said, and I think the
Speaker 2: stems from the fact that this multi party coalition and
Speaker 2: is made up of organizations that have totally different world views,
Speaker 2: that are totally different ideological backgrounds. So I think in
Speaker 2: such cases we didn't begin to see those fragmentations that
Speaker 2: are consecuting this G and you. But then in as
Speaker 2: far as the TEA is concerned, like I mentioned, I
Speaker 2: think they are conflicted as to whether or not they
Speaker 2: should be in opposition party or a party in government,
Speaker 2: because when you're in government, you cannot want to act
Speaker 2: as an opposition. Yes, behind close doors, you are obliged
Speaker 2: to actually hold those that you are in power with accountable.
Speaker 2: You are applies to have these debates, but they should
Speaker 2: not now transcend to the public eye where we not
Speaker 2: begin to see these fragmentations because it gives us as
Speaker 2: citizens and impression that you guys are not united firstly,
Speaker 2: and that there's no direction in this coalition partnership, because
Speaker 2: the coalition is about being in a partnership and actually
Speaker 2: being in agreement with whatever it is that we are
Speaker 2: that is on the table. Yes, sometimes may disagree, but
Speaker 2: within a partnership, you cannot publicly disagree with the people
Speaker 2: that you are in power with. So that's what we've
Speaker 2: been seeing with the A ANDC in the DA in particular.
Speaker 2: But like I said, I think the DA is just
Speaker 2: conflicted between being an opposition party or being a party
Speaker 2: in government, which is something that I think is a
Speaker 2: bit i'd say for a term dangerous in a way,
Speaker 2: because if you're in government, like I said, you ought
Speaker 2: to agree with those that you are in partnership with,
Speaker 2: particularly in a coalition. So THEDA is really conflicted and
Speaker 2: so far as at this point in time, because they
Speaker 2: really just want to act like a watch watchdog to
Speaker 2: the A and C instead of working together with them.
Speaker 1: What does that look like? Because there's one aspect I
Speaker 1: think watch dog and checks and balances are important. Let's
Speaker 1: take a step back here. What impression does it give
Speaker 1: politically and is there a viable I hear you talk
Speaker 1: about opposition parties and government in power. How do we
Speaker 1: find a balance then as to be represented as South Africans,
Speaker 1: that's what you're looking for. We want public officials who
Speaker 1: are going to do a good job with integrity in
Speaker 1: the right parameters. But what does it look like because
Speaker 1: surely there is disagreement, there should be a way to
Speaker 1: handle it, and we want a viable opposition party.
Speaker 2: Well, like I mentioned that the parties that are currently
Speaker 2: in the g and you now are very different in
Speaker 2: so far as the ideological orientation is concerned, meaning that
Speaker 2: there ought to be inevitable that there won't be any disagreements.
Speaker 2: But in so far as the coalition is concerned, they
Speaker 2: need to be issues of common interest that you agree
Speaker 2: on that you will be able to actually try that
Speaker 2: you'll be able to actually drow up in the Chaine
Speaker 2: and drive those issues together. But with the current coalitionship
Speaker 2: that because Africa at national level we don't see that.
Speaker 2: And I actually alluded to this platform sometimes last week
Speaker 2: where I mentioned the fact that the statement of intent
Speaker 2: which was const which was drafted last year in the
Speaker 2: of the in the week of the agency, in the
Speaker 2: work of the g and you've been constituted, is not
Speaker 2: something that is very so such.
Speaker 1: A quick one as a parting sort in thirty seconds
Speaker 1: from what I'm hearing from you, are you saying that
Speaker 1: the GNU is it viable? Is it a viable proposition,
Speaker 1: then that can work?
Speaker 2: So that's not what I'm saying. I was just saying
Speaker 2: that currently there's no framework that is that is very
Speaker 2: concrete in so far as ensuring that there'sn't a chain
Speaker 2: that that can actually assist because in a coalition, like
Speaker 2: I mentioned, they need to be issues of common interest
Speaker 2: that you agree on, like they need to be a
Speaker 2: framework of certain objectives that you all agree on. And
Speaker 2: thinks that you're you need.
Speaker 1: Those common objectives to work together. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: to political analyst talking about the fallout from Whitfield's dismissal,
Speaker 1: and that's Andrew Whitfield and being dismissal of andreid Field
Speaker 1: by President Romain Passa, which is ignited a fierce backlash
Speaker 1: from the Democratic Alliance