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Speaker 1: Seven oh two Weekend Breakfast the Nature Diary with Too Neary.

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Speaker 2: It's twenty three minutes before seven o'clock walking back to

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Speaker 2: your seven and two weekend Breakfast with mccagham.

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Speaker 3: Someone time for us to talk Nature Diary, and.

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Speaker 2: This week we're talking about spiders, which I think has

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Speaker 2: a little bit of unfair pr I think a lot

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Speaker 2: of it has to do with like Hollywood and movies

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Speaker 2: with spiders are always depicted as the bad guys, and

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Speaker 2: so I think spiders just get a bit of a

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Speaker 2: rough deal.

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Speaker 3: And this morning we're going to be talking.

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Speaker 2: About just how dangerous is a spider bite really, because

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Speaker 2: you may have seen the story of a woman in

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Speaker 2: Clarkstorre who got bitten by spider was on her ankle

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Speaker 2: and apparently it was red at the edges with a

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Speaker 2: raised black ring and yellow center. She went to go

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Speaker 2: see a doctor. She said she'd been bitten by a

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Speaker 2: violent spider. She has given treatment, but according to the article,

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Speaker 2: she died eleven days later. Her life said it was

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Speaker 2: all very quick. It all happened very very quickly, and

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Speaker 2: so now there are questions again about well, our spiders

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Speaker 2: actually really really dangerous. We'll talk about that in a moment,

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Speaker 2: we'll speak to Gared Todji's an enthusiastic member of the

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Speaker 2: essay Spider Club, which is really cool. I love that

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Speaker 2: there's a spider club and joining us in the studios

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Speaker 2: residents CSI and nature conservationist Tim Neary, Tim.

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Speaker 4: Good morning, Good morning, And I do wish to know

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Speaker 4: does the Spider club right? Is there a particular membership

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Speaker 4: for spiders?

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Speaker 3: Ah as in can spiders join?

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Speaker 1: Can spiders join?

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Speaker 3: That seems reasonable.

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Speaker 2: I feel as though if you're going to use the

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Speaker 2: name spiders Club, they should be some spiders in the

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Speaker 2: same way that like I think when we do them

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Speaker 2: as Universe pageants, other planets should send contestants.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, it's always Earthlings, yes, exactly.

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Speaker 3: So what are your thoughts on the story coming out

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Speaker 3: of Clark Store.

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Speaker 1: Look, I.

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Speaker 4: Did look at the story, and I did pen a

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Speaker 4: few words and a few thoughts about it, and we'll

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Speaker 4: just touch on that and then then we'll flush it out.

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Speaker 4: It's sensational journalism, okay of the worst degree. And I

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Speaker 4: do believe that they are now interviewing experts and they're

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Speaker 4: going to bring out a second article, the sort of

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Speaker 4: thing that you can't do books. As an example, my

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Speaker 4: brat had a spider bite and we know it was

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Speaker 4: a spider bite because we found the spider in his

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Speaker 4: boot that it chomped him and it was missing a leg,

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Speaker 4: and we let the spider go. But at the end

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Speaker 4: of the day, you can't look at a bite and

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Speaker 4: say spider. You can't look at the bite and say

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Speaker 4: violent spider. So most people that go to my DOCMTE

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Speaker 4: with spider bites, Okay, half the time they they bed bugs.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, but you've got to have a look.

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Speaker 4: I believe there was a tick involved something in this one,

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Speaker 4: but you need to have a look and see. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you can't make a statement like this because it would

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Speaker 4: go you would have a necrotic issue, they would do

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Speaker 4: a deep ridement and invariably if the patient had a problem,

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Speaker 4: they would treat the symptoms of the problem. So you know,

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Speaker 4: I don't know all the medical issues behind this, and

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Speaker 4: we're not going to end up getting the doctor on

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Speaker 4: And don't traumatize the family.

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Speaker 1: The poor lady passed away for whatever it is.

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Speaker 4: Was it an underlying cause, whatever it is, let's flush

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Speaker 4: that out the line. We aren't Australia. You're not going

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Speaker 4: to get some nasty spider. I mean there they call them,

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Speaker 4: I think one beer spiders or something, because once bitten,

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Speaker 4: you've got to you know, you can have a beer

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Speaker 3: They also have the Huntsman spiders.

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Speaker 2: Ye know.

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Speaker 4: They've got all sorts of things. They've all sorts of

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Speaker 4: Australia's got everything that's nasty, that's small, strange, very strange.

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Speaker 4: They deserve it because they took away acashia trees all

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Speaker 4: right there. I mean that's a separate thing. Acacia means

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Speaker 4: with thorn. Australian acashias don't have thorns. No, so go away,

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Speaker 4: you nasty people. Don't chase sheep somewhere.

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Speaker 3: They give us. They're not all bad anyway.

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to go there. This is not a

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Speaker 4: political debate. At the end of the day, we take

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Speaker 4: something like a spider, we give it bad rap, and

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Speaker 4: then we end up with the movies like Jaws and Anaconda,

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Speaker 1: But what about the good that spiders do.

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Speaker 4: For some unknown reason, my house has got one hundred

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Speaker 4: thousand of those little jumping spiders at the moment and

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Speaker 4: they're actually quite a nuisance because they hop on the

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Speaker 4: hop on the table, and they're all over the place.

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Speaker 4: But just show them out, show them on the floor.

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Speaker 4: They buzz off to go and annoy something else. And

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Speaker 4: we get overly botantic about stuff that's going to kill us.

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Speaker 4: No spider is going to come out the woodwork wakes

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Speaker 4: me a human choump it and drag it back to

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Speaker 4: my nest for the kids to eat. Okay, it's just

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Speaker 4: not going to happen so invariably. If you are bitten,

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Speaker 4: it's mostly that you've been sat on, or you've sat

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Speaker 4: I sat on a spider, i'd also bite me to

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Speaker 4: get my attention, to get me off right. But I

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Speaker 4: think it's that's why I like the work that people

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Speaker 4: like the Spider Club do.

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Speaker 1: All right, And.

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Speaker 4: Unfortunately, moms, you are one of the biggest causes of

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: It's like that whole thing. Don't go and play in

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Speaker 4: the long grass. The snake is going to bite you.

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Speaker 4: In Johannesburg. You've got to be kidding me, okay, And

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Speaker 4: you got exactly the same thing. Don't go and fiddle

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Speaker 4: over there. You're going to be bitten by the spider.

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Speaker 4: Let's get it out. It's going to do some damage.

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Speaker 4: But there's real fear of people have got you know.

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Speaker 4: I've got a friend of mine that cannot look at

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Speaker 4: the photograph of a spider. Okay, he's a seventy year

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Speaker 4: And he's been through all sorts of courses to try

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Speaker 4: of walk past one. But there is a very real threat.

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Speaker 4: And then, as I was saying the last thing I'm

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Speaker 4: the nice things about spiders, remembers that not everybody is

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Speaker 1: Think of bees.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I carry an EpiPen, right, and that is because

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Speaker 4: if I get stung by a bee, I.

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Speaker 1: May or may not have a breeding problem.

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Speaker 4: I was stung by a bee a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 4: and okay, I was absolutely fine, right, no problem. Saw

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Speaker 4: jotted along, went outside etc. And I know that I

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Speaker 4: and if it goes wrong, well then we stab ourselves

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Speaker 4: with the EpiPen and we get on with life. But

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Speaker 4: that's what it's about. So let's not suddenly become fearful

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Speaker 4: of these things. But I think Jared's going to tell

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Why, they're actually kind of cool And I'm not asking

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Speaker 4: you to put a color on it and take it

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Speaker 2: As mentioned, we're joined by an enthusiastic member and events

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Speaker 2: planner of South Africa Spider Club. Jared Todg, joins us

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Speaker 2: this morning. Jared, A very good morning to you. Welcome

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Speaker 2: to Weekend Breakfast.

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Speaker 5: Hi, good morning, goods, good morning term. How are you

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Speaker 5: guys doing this morning? Well?

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you, How are you?

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Speaker 5: Oh? Super good? Thanks, I'm very excited to talk about

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Speaker 5: my little eight legged friends.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so tell us about how you became I guess

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Speaker 2: a spider enthusiast.

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Speaker 5: Do you remember, Yeah, so, I you know, as a kid,

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Speaker 5: I was always into creepy Crawley's and things like that,

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Speaker 5: but I never really you know, Dug deeper into them

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Speaker 5: during it was actual during COVID that I, you know,

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Speaker 5: and I actually came across a post in this I

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Speaker 5: Love Boys group and someone was asking about a spider

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Speaker 5: spoke to, Karen, she actually said to me, I seem

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Speaker 5: very interested. I should join the Spider Club. Once I

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Speaker 5: were the macro photographers, which I have now become one

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Speaker 5: of all these different kinds of spiders. And let me

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Speaker 5: tell you, the diversity that you get out there is

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Speaker 5: absolutely incredible. You get pink ones, you get yellow ones,

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Speaker 5: then I started studying about them self, studying, and I

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Speaker 5: got pretty good at iding them and that I've got

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Speaker 5: And yeah, I then started going on walks with the

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Speaker 5: it's actually people trying to get over their fears of spiders.

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Speaker 5: And then we get and then obviously people that are

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Speaker 5: just generally interested in them. We take them out onto

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Speaker 5: We put them in little vials, little glass vials, just

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Speaker 5: And then I'll teach them about them, how they live,

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Speaker 5: where they are, what they do and everything like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, I'm just sorry.

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Speaker 4: I would wish I was an artist, because I've got

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Speaker 4: a mental picture of you sitting down with a whole

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Speaker 4: lot of spiders saying, right, guys.

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Speaker 1: We're going to do an event next week. George, you

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Speaker 1: just behave do not scare the people? Really under that rock?

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Speaker 1: Yeah you go hide under that rock?

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Speaker 3: Did you manage?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Really you mentioned there that macro photography gigs. I saw

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Speaker 4: one of the photographs that Rudy did the other day

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Speaker 4: of a spider that he'd given a bath because it

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Speaker 4: had some sand on it so he could take a photograph.

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Speaker 4: It was about half the size of a matchhead. Oh wow, okay,

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Speaker 4: and this macro photography is unreal fun. There's no other

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Speaker 4: word for it. Now Here comes the question, Jared, spiders,

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Speaker 4: why should we not fear them?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so obviously there's this massive persona, you know. I

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Speaker 5: first of all, I want to say, for an earlier

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Speaker 2: thank you for the Spider Talk I've just registered on

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Speaker 5: Great news, Thank.

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Speaker 3: You so much.

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Speaker 2: Spider Club, Tim Lways a pleasure chatting to you as well.

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