WEBVTT - The Profile: Tumi Morake

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<v Speaker 1>This is ke Talk. I'm absolutely thrilled that our profile

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<v Speaker 1>guest this morning is ready and willing and able to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to us. Domi Moraki joins us this morning. She

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<v Speaker 1>was at the Give Comedy Festival at the Baxter a

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<v Speaker 1>few weeks ago and of course brought the house down.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course, Demy is internationally celebrated. Just to name

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<v Speaker 1>a few of her many career highlights. She's known, of

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<v Speaker 1>course for her radio work. She was the first African

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<v Speaker 1>female stand up comedian to have a special on Netflix

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<v Speaker 1>in Netflix Presents Comedians of the World. I Adored as

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<v Speaker 1>Nonny and Seriously Single, also still currently on Netflix and

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<v Speaker 1>you can also catch her on Last One Laughing South Africa,

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<v Speaker 1>hosted by Trevoroa on Amazon. Domi Moraka, good to have

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<v Speaker 1>you with us on weekend Breakfast.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, Hello, how are ye?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really well. I was trying to work out I

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<v Speaker 1>was speaking to my producer Vicki earlier and thinking how

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<v Speaker 1>long ago was it since we last spoke, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was probably about five years ago, So we

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<v Speaker 1>need to do a bit of a catch up in

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<v Speaker 1>how life has been treating you in the last five years.

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<v Speaker 1>The last time I spoke to you you were in

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<v Speaker 1>the States. But where are you this morning?

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<v Speaker 2>From?

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<v Speaker 1>Where do you speak to us today? Madam? Please?

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<v Speaker 2>I know today I'm in Johanna's birth. I'm so sad

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<v Speaker 2>because Cape Town spoils me. I moved from from Atlanta

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<v Speaker 2>and I think I was in Drover for about half

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<v Speaker 2>a day and I went straight to Cape Town. And

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<v Speaker 2>the thing about Keith count is, oh, my gosh, like

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<v Speaker 2>a warm hug. And then you come to drobak warps

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<v Speaker 2>into shape, yeah and let you sleep. So yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>also spoiled drab right now?

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<v Speaker 1>How do you deal with the with the travel aspect

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<v Speaker 1>of your life? Because I are you? Are you quite

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<v Speaker 1>an internally grounded person? Because you the fact that you

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<v Speaker 1>move around so much, I would imagine could kind of

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<v Speaker 1>leave you feeling a bit disoriented. But are you quite great?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? I think when you're a comedian, you become nomadic,

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<v Speaker 2>so you get you get quite used to it. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean at the beginning, oh my gosh, it felts like hell.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember that the most heroin trip was Australia. I

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<v Speaker 2>to fly between Australia, New Zealand and here, and I

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<v Speaker 2>had to go to different parts of Australia. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that was the first time I realized that you can

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<v Speaker 2>travel within one country and still be in different time zones. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's horrible. My legs were spoiling. I My party was

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<v Speaker 2>like what I'm really doing? Oh my gosh. It was terrible,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was trying to call the kids but I

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<v Speaker 2>was like fixing up the terms to call them. Not

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<v Speaker 2>it is terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, difficult stuff, difficult stuff, but you settled into it.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you look back over your career, do you

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<v Speaker 1>have the highlights that you know when we get sent

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<v Speaker 1>bios for guests and they say, and she's done this,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's done this, and she's done this. These are

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<v Speaker 1>all the kind of things that people might pinpoint. But

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<v Speaker 1>for you, I'm wondering if if the highlights necessarily match

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<v Speaker 1>those bullet points that get sent out on a bio,

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<v Speaker 1>or are there kind of smaller, more personal moments that

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<v Speaker 1>you've had over the years that you kind of hold

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit closer to your heart and think, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that was a really great show, or meeting that person

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<v Speaker 1>or that fan really held something special for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I think that's what people would know about.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I remember doing an event for all mutual

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<v Speaker 2>and Grapa. Michelle was the keynote speaker and I had

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<v Speaker 2>to do I was in seeing and I did a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of comedy upfront and I brought it onto stadium.

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<v Speaker 2>As she walked off stage, she came to me because

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<v Speaker 2>we're sitting at the front, and she held my hands

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<v Speaker 2>as she said, my darling, you're extraordinary and it meant

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<v Speaker 2>everything to me to hear that from Macgretha Michelle. It

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<v Speaker 2>meant everything. My first one. I meant sure that I

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<v Speaker 2>did at god of She was also really huge for me,

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<v Speaker 2>firstly because I had every race in that room. That

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<v Speaker 2>room was full. I didn't know I could throw a

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<v Speaker 2>room by myself, and it was. Man. I couldn't help

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<v Speaker 2>but cry at the end of that show because I

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<v Speaker 2>could not be incredibly blessed I am, but also to

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<v Speaker 2>have a mixed audience like that. And the same thing

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<v Speaker 2>happened again when I was in Queenstown, and I remember

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<v Speaker 2>the lady who ran that room came to me and said,

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<v Speaker 2>do you know that the last time we had a

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<v Speaker 2>room this fall and b this next was when we

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<v Speaker 2>had a musician, a conmemboration musician. She mentioned, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it may have been put Garren or someone and she said,

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<v Speaker 2>that was the last time we sold a room like this.

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<v Speaker 2>It was so full that we get extra chase, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and put them out, And I thought, this is so cool.

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<v Speaker 2>So even when I hear you mentioned the stuff I've done,

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<v Speaker 2>it reminds me of how much I like to beat

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<v Speaker 2>myself up and feel so irrelevant. And then when you

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<v Speaker 2>do interviews like these and people speak about what you

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<v Speaker 2>tell you go, You've done so much. But because you

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<v Speaker 2>spend so much germ on Instagram and other people are doing,

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<v Speaker 2>we forget what read done. And sometimes you forget that

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<v Speaker 2>people are doing stuff it's already done. Yeah, who were my?

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<v Speaker 2>What am I doing? Meanwhile, Babe, you've shuttered ceiling?

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<v Speaker 1>They do you do you suffer from imposter syndrome?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and how do you deal with that? Because I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we all do, and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Was.

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<v Speaker 1>I've spoken about it on the show an awful lot

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<v Speaker 1>about imposter syndrome, and for some reason, it seems to

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<v Speaker 1>affect us as women of color more and I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>quite sure what. I am quite sure why, But what

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<v Speaker 1>what do you do with that? What do you do

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<v Speaker 1>with that voice? When it's loud well, first day I

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<v Speaker 1>go on Instagram, Yeah, no, for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>But I have a five minute journal, which I was

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<v Speaker 2>very better at keeping up with, but now it's got

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<v Speaker 2>I've gotten much much better at it, and I actually

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<v Speaker 2>go through it because I've found that because I started

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<v Speaker 2>it a few years ago, when I revisited at the

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<v Speaker 2>first time, because I'm on my second one, the first one,

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<v Speaker 2>actually get to see the stuff I'd achieved, because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you feel it in in the morning, you know, talking

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<v Speaker 2>about the stuff you'd like to achieve, and then your

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<v Speaker 2>affirmations that at the end you get to say what

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<v Speaker 2>you got to achieve that day. So when I revisit

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<v Speaker 2>them and I get to read about the stuff I'd

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<v Speaker 2>achieved on different days, I've blown away and it kind

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<v Speaker 2>of starts chipping away at that voice. But sometimes I

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<v Speaker 2>even go, why is that big day? Because sometimes that

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<v Speaker 2>voice is there because you actually haven't been doing the

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<v Speaker 2>work on you. You haven't been nice to you, you

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<v Speaker 2>haven't done anything for you. So it also helps me

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<v Speaker 2>realize when I've neglected myself.

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<v Speaker 1>When you look back where you've come from and terms

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<v Speaker 1>of the comedy scene in South Africa and you look

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<v Speaker 1>at the comedy landscape now, not just here but across

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<v Speaker 1>the continent, I suppose globally as well. How do you

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<v Speaker 1>see it having changed since you kind of first put

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<v Speaker 1>foot on the comedy stage.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a lot more accessible. I love that now anyone

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<v Speaker 2>who goes I want to try comedy has a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more opportunity to try in terms of club availability, language,

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, like I said, accessibility and seeing more people

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<v Speaker 2>who look like you're doing it because for me, I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like when I started doing comedy, there were a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of male, white males, black male doing it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I was hardly seeing white female or black female doing it,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, So just watching it grow like that, and

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of NAC I don't think I'd seen anyone

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<v Speaker 2>doing comedy in the next and so watching it grow

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<v Speaker 2>from that perspective was just It's just been crazy in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of black females, the black female voice, and now

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<v Speaker 2>watching it become more and more diverse has just been exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember having this conversation actually I think it

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<v Speaker 2>was with Celia, and we're talking about how if we

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<v Speaker 2>didn't get it right, I don't think it would have

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<v Speaker 2>grown so much for the women because you need to

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<v Speaker 2>get it right for it to grow for other women.

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<v Speaker 2>When I think about Male Jones in Cape Town, I

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<v Speaker 2>think about Tracy Class. I'm like, if those people were

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<v Speaker 2>not getting it right, it would not have grown for

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<v Speaker 2>the other women. And when you think about the African continent,

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<v Speaker 2>people people like the Goop, like funny Face from Ghana.

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<v Speaker 2>You think about what's his name from Nigeria. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>from Nigeria who even came to South Africa and he

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<v Speaker 2>even takes when he's his great coming from South Africa,

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<v Speaker 2>he takes with him to London and to Nigeria and

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<v Speaker 2>across the continent. But the Internet has also helped with

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<v Speaker 2>these comedians again get showcased everywhere, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>My issue is, you know the inter comedians, don't get

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<v Speaker 2>me wrong, That's what I would introduced comedians. Yeah, kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a camera. I'm thinking about stand up comedians specifically.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think accessibility is really is what's helped us.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I you your book came out in Oh gosh was

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<v Speaker 1>it twenty twenty eighteen twenty nineteen, and you mentioned journaling there.

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<v Speaker 1>I loved your book. I absolutely loved it. It's still

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<v Speaker 1>on my shelf in my office. At home and I

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<v Speaker 1>mean you you write beautifully. Is it something that you

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<v Speaker 1>would Is there is there room for more writing in

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<v Speaker 1>your life? Another books?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, once, once I can find support group of procrastinators,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's probably someone's trying to start one and they're procrastinating.

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<v Speaker 2>But I loved you know what I loved about writing

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<v Speaker 2>that book is I was like, because I never said

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<v Speaker 2>of a team suicide, and I think I was hearing

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<v Speaker 2>about a lot of suicides at the time. And I

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<v Speaker 2>wrote that book because I was saying, man, yes, we

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<v Speaker 2>all go through a lot. But I don't feel like

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<v Speaker 2>when people see us and I was so called great lives,

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<v Speaker 2>they know about how much we go through. They just

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<v Speaker 2>see the great, filtered stuff. They don't get to see

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<v Speaker 2>that we all have a struggle. And I just want

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<v Speaker 2>everyone to just keep pushing, just keep pushing. And I

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<v Speaker 2>would love to write again, because again, I've been pushing

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<v Speaker 2>through a lot, and I meet too many young ladies who, man,

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<v Speaker 2>they want it now, they want it instantly, and when

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<v Speaker 2>you tell them how much they have to work, they

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<v Speaker 2>look at you like, why are you trying to make

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<v Speaker 2>it hard for me just because you're already there. You

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<v Speaker 2>try to make it look like it's so hard, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going, I'm not saying it's hard, but I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 2>put in some work make it worth it. So I

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<v Speaker 2>really I would really love to write more. But also

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<v Speaker 2>what kills the about myself purpose. One of my uncles

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<v Speaker 2>was like, you you are too honest. So I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's what people need meet the vulnerability.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, I agree, and then the acting work.

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<v Speaker 2>I think.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, the last time that we spoke it was

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<v Speaker 1>when Seriously Single had just come out, and I remember

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<v Speaker 1>feeling like it was just so refreshing. You were so

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<v Speaker 1>brilliant and it you were so funny. It was just

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<v Speaker 1>I just I just loved it, and it kind of

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<v Speaker 1>spurred a lot of other locally produced like brilliant comedy,

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<v Speaker 1>relatable kind of you know that that Joe Burg scene,

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<v Speaker 1>young Single, you know all of that stuff that that

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<v Speaker 1>is so relatable to so many of us. Are you

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<v Speaker 1>are you looking? Can we expect to see you in

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<v Speaker 1>anything soon? Would you ever write anything?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>I could see you writing like a like a sitcomy

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<v Speaker 1>type thing, so like, you know, like a comedy drama

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<v Speaker 1>y thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Ever, keen, So my I've had I've heard quite a

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<v Speaker 2>long journey had sitcom in this country. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>almost every come I've written a little bit nominated for

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<v Speaker 2>us after I was one. So in terms of film,

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<v Speaker 2>I started writing and I had no idea how hard

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<v Speaker 2>film is. So funny enough, I had written Miss Education.

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<v Speaker 2>I was part of the writing team of Mys Education

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<v Speaker 2>in Netflix. So I'm definitely polishing my writing and I

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<v Speaker 2>probably will have something come out in the next couple

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<v Speaker 2>of years. But in terms of my acting, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>when I went to VIS I went to vis University

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<v Speaker 2>because I wanted to become a writer. But when I

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<v Speaker 2>got there, I encountered other crafts that I fell in

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<v Speaker 2>love with, namely the writing and the stand up and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, theater directing. So I will definitely definitely be

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<v Speaker 2>doing more work and writing. I think right now my

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<v Speaker 2>focus is in so much on the comedy. And I

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<v Speaker 2>did The Honeymoon as well, which is on Amazon Prime,

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<v Speaker 2>and that was also fun. And I think I'm trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get to a point where I can do something straight,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because I did a drama called Diagon City

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<v Speaker 2>and I was I was a killer in a like

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<v Speaker 2>a hip woman. There's a brief rule that oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>the way you tuit it, I was like, I want

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<v Speaker 2>one more person to try to trust me, love to

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<v Speaker 2>let me audition for that. Do you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's a South African thing. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 1>spend a lot of time in the stage. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>think it's a South African thing that we are a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more open? I think you know, I grew up

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<v Speaker 1>in the UK, and I don't think there is open

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<v Speaker 1>there in terms of allowing creatives to be diverse in

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<v Speaker 1>their output. I mean, you've done radio, you've done TV,

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<v Speaker 1>you've written. Do you think that that's South African thing

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<v Speaker 1>that we are because we have to we have to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to do whatever comes and whatever we might

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<v Speaker 1>want to do. Do you think that's a South African thing?

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't think that people are as open to

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<v Speaker 1>creatives being diverse in our aparts of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, well, in America, I'm seeing it more and more.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's because right now, like cost

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<v Speaker 2>of living is really high, so everybody has at least

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<v Speaker 2>two three jobs. I'm seeing it in the arts. The

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<v Speaker 2>only difference I suppose is here you don't already have

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<v Speaker 2>to be established to be able to do it because

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<v Speaker 2>of what I've seen is the guys who already established

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<v Speaker 2>are able to do it more easily, but the guys

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<v Speaker 2>who aren't will struggle, you know, yeah, because everybody you

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<v Speaker 2>have to have an agent for those things if you're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to do them properly. Like I don't think Steve

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<v Speaker 2>have you right, but I know he's the one who

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<v Speaker 2>does the radio and the TV on such a high

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<v Speaker 2>scale and the comedy you know. Yeah, and one decides

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<v Speaker 2>as well as her writing agent and the active agent

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<v Speaker 2>because they have an agent for everything every Yeah, which

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<v Speaker 2>is funny because I was like, oh my gosh, you

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<v Speaker 2>know South Africa, that's how always that's bad. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>saying that everybody else is doing it like that now

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<v Speaker 2>because I have a writing agent, as a voiceover agent

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<v Speaker 2>and actually agent, and a comedy agent and a manager.

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<v Speaker 2>So sure, because we need especial list in every field. Otherwise,

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<v Speaker 2>what's the point You're gonna have somebody booking for something

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<v Speaker 2>you don't understand. When you're underpaid or you're underrepresented, you

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<v Speaker 2>want somebody who's an expert in their field, do you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, to me, it's always lovely to speak to you.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like it's cannot possibly been five year insidince

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<v Speaker 1>we last spoke, but it is. You can currently catch

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<v Speaker 1>tom at on net No, Amazon, Last One Laughing soth Africa,

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<v Speaker 1>hosted by Trevor Noa. The Honeymoon on Amazon and Netflix

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<v Speaker 1>presents comedians of the World, which I think you can

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<v Speaker 1>still find on there, and also seriously single. It's been

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<v Speaker 1>an absolute pleasure and I always love chatting to you,

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<v Speaker 1>Tomi Marak. Thank you so much for joining us.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much, keep going. I be in September.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be filming stuff