1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: Right, let's get an update on our window into shall 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: I rather say yes, another municipality. This time it's a metro, 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: not because of anything coming up in the legislature or 4 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: in the council chambers, but at the Midlanga Commission, the 5 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: City of Twine, particularly the Twine Metro Police Department in 6 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: the spotlight at that inquiry into police criminality, corruption and 7 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: the extent to which political interference is undermining the work 8 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: of the SAPs. Our colleague Tubby sil Gorba has been 9 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: keeping an eye on this. Tubby saw very good afternoon too. 10 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 1: What are we hearing here? I mean, I've caught bits 11 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 1: and pieces. Some of it is very much about process 12 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: and admin. But it seemed to me from the bits 13 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: I heard, that's really fundamental weaknesses and problems. We're starting 14 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: to be laid bare. 15 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 2: What are you hearing, Good afternoon, John. You were absolutely 16 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 2: right that there were some fundamental weaknesses, especially in oversights. 17 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,559 Speaker 2: Now this is important because the person currently testifying now 18 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 2: is the chief of the Tournamentro Police Department. She's the 19 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 2: head Ulanda pharaoh, so she's the one responsible for everything 20 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 2: that happens at the Basically the backstops at her, and 21 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 2: what we've heard at the Mall Commission is that she 22 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 2: started off her statesment by saying that she was shocked 23 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 2: and dismayed by what has happened at the Tournamentro Police Department, 24 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 2: especially these revelations of corruption, tender rigging and all the 25 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 2: sort of stuff that we've heard. And today is obviously 26 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 2: the first day of our testimony. And as you know 27 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 2: we've discussed as a number of times, John, that's the 28 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 2: first day is it's just, you know, not a lot 29 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 2: of sparksfly. The witness is given a lot of time 30 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 2: to just hold through the statesments. But even in between that, John, 31 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 2: the evidence leaders and even the commissioners have just been 32 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 2: probing and just trying to gauge just whether Miss Julanda 33 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 2: Pharaoh was she sleeping on the wheel or was you know, 34 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 2: or was she on top of her game, because it 35 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 2: seems that a lot of the things that happened. She 36 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 2: says that she wasn't away of the things that happened. 37 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 2: And unfortunately, John, and I'm a bit careful about making 38 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 2: this comparison, we know that the National Police Commissioner Fan 39 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 2: Masamolis Dues are paying courts basically for not over for 40 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 2: not exercising oversights on that Voss music CAATs Macala tender 41 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,679 Speaker 2: And this is basically sort of some similar situation where 42 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 2: she wasn't over exercising oversights on some of the things 43 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 2: that were happening at her department, and the commissioners are 44 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 2: not necessarily buying that ignorance or not knowing is a 45 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 2: plausible excuse. 46 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: One of the most extraordinary examples I heard of that. 47 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 1: But but you know, as I said, I was stepping 48 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: in an out and I may have missed some context SAVI, 49 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: but she was asked security companies to get contracts with 50 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 1: the twiny municipality. The question asked for of her by 51 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: Commissioner Sandy lake Kumar was are these companies veted And 52 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: she said, while we setting up systems and he said no, 53 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: no for now the answer is yes or no, And 54 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: the answer was no, which is absolutely astonishing. It's given 55 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: what the definition of security is. I mean, surely you 56 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,519 Speaker 1: want people who have been checked to be checking your staff. 57 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 2: Especially because these people are gutting critical or municipal infrastructure. 58 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,239 Speaker 2: And she even said to herself that there are some 59 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 2: situations where people where some of these security companies create 60 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 2: the need for these security companies where they sabotage municipal infrastructure, 61 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 2: in turn creating a need for obviously for more work 62 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 2: for them. So it's important that obviously they are veitted. 63 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 2: But there was also not only that, there was also 64 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 2: a situation where you have four deputy chiefs. She said 65 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 2: she doesn't know whether all four of them are veitted 66 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 2: or have gone through security clearance by the State Security Agency. 67 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 2: And these are people obviously in very high positions within 68 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 2: the TMPD, and you'd assume that before getting these positions 69 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 2: that they would be vetted. But seeing that obviously those 70 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 2: security companies they hire are not vetted, and even the 71 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 2: security deputy chiefs the self under her also not vetted. 72 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 2: So hug huge problems of lack of oversight and the TMPD. 73 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: Huge problems lack of oversight. And I can tell you 74 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: you Lannda Farroh is still answering questions at the mad 75 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: Longer Commission of Inquiries. So I would suspect, based on 76 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: what we've heard so far, there's probably more to come 77 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: that will cause us to raise our eyebrows. At the 78 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: very least. That was Tabi sil Gorbert keeping eye on 79 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: the Madlunger Commission as he has. Over a number of 80 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: days you'll hear from him, I'm sure. And the bulletins 81 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: still to come throughout the afternoon. Here on seven two, 82 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: drive twenty eight minutes to four. Let's get the latest 83 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: eyewitness news.