WEBVTT - Openline 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:04.680 Seven minutes after 11 o'clock, this is the final hour 0:00:04.720 --> 0:00:05.120 of the show. 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:06.840 And thank you very much to all of my guests. 0:00:06.860 --> 0:00:11.219 What a great conversation with Abigail Smelders, head of early 0:00:11.300 --> 0:00:14.660 learning and junior preparatory school at Redham House, Bedford View. 0:00:14.700 --> 0:00:22.360 Just deep insight there. Yeah. I'd love to take your 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:24.480 calls with regards to that conversation. 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:29.060 Yeah. 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:29.220 Yeah. 0:00:30.950 --> 0:00:32.449 We need to connect with our children, eh? 0:00:34.850 --> 0:00:35.090 True. 0:00:37.110 --> 0:00:42.409 We're trying to make the best lives we can. We 0:00:44.790 --> 0:00:45.350 have two. 0:00:45.370 --> 0:00:48.960 Hey, I've got to say this, by the way. 0:00:50.780 --> 0:00:56.450 Great communicator, former spokesperson of Eskam Kudu Pasirwa past... away 0:00:56.470 --> 0:00:59.610 in the last 24 hours, I discovered that we are 0:00:59.690 --> 0:01:03.690 actually neighbors. We live two or three houses away from 0:01:03.730 --> 0:01:04.270 each other. 0:01:05.830 --> 0:01:14.959 And I didn't know this. A great man, a decent man, 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:20.360 ethical man. And that was quite rare in. 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:24.480 This day and age in some of the spaces that 0:01:24.540 --> 0:01:29.759 we have to function in. May his soul rest in 0:01:29.819 --> 0:01:32.119 peace and our condolences to the Pasiwa family. 0:01:33.020 --> 0:01:34.000 In fact, I'll be. 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:36.720 Going to their home tomorrow to pay my respects because 0:01:36.740 --> 0:01:42.360 they're just down the street from where I live. And 0:01:43.500 --> 0:01:47.790 very sad for them to hear of the passing of 0:01:47.850 --> 0:01:51.830 Kulu Pasiwa, a gentleman. I've spoken to him once or 0:01:51.870 --> 0:01:56.550 twice when he was spokesperson of ESCOM. And just a 0:01:56.590 --> 0:02:02.560 decent guy, so My condolences to the Pasiva family. But 0:02:02.580 --> 0:02:04.440 I was talking about the fact that we need to 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:06.440 connect with our children. 0:02:07.540 --> 0:02:11.120 Yeah. And very often, because we are trying so hard 0:02:11.180 --> 0:02:12.680 to make a living, right? True. 0:02:14.380 --> 0:02:18.600 We get so focused on that, and we don't slow down, 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:21.870 as Abigail was saying. We just need to slow down, man. 0:02:24.139 --> 0:02:28.290 We just need to slow down. Whatever, 1-883-0702, send me 0:02:28.330 --> 0:02:31.959 some Charlie in, is the group chief executive officer at Wednesday. 0:02:32.060 --> 0:02:37.080 And we're talking about how we must help businesses to thrive. 0:02:38.419 --> 0:02:41.840 And I expressed my frustration at the lack of support 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:43.639 that is given to. 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:46.900 Township business. 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:52.480 And how easy it is to label township business as 0:02:53.280 --> 0:03:03.250 either violent, lazy, unimaginative when it was betrayed into following 0:03:03.290 --> 0:03:09.510 a particular way of being dropped in the middle of 0:03:09.650 --> 0:03:14.190 nowhere and then told, oh man, why don't you, why 0:03:14.210 --> 0:03:15.290 don't you do like the others? 0:03:15.450 --> 0:03:15.709 Yeah. 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:27.000 And I'll tell you, uh, So I wish we could 0:03:27.030 --> 0:03:32.750 see a lot more support for South African entrepreneurship, particularly 0:03:32.770 --> 0:03:35.910 in the townships and the rural areas, but I am 0:03:36.490 --> 0:03:43.310 almost positive that it's not coming. Because it feels like 0:03:43.390 --> 0:03:51.190 there is a real agenda to see y'all fail. There's 0:03:51.210 --> 0:03:56.320 a real agenda to make sure that, you know, There's 0:03:56.340 --> 0:03:58.680 an announcement, oh, there's going to be 500 million Rand 0:03:58.700 --> 0:04:05.290 that is going to be made available to Township Entrepreneurship. 0:04:05.350 --> 0:04:11.210 And to this day, there's all manner of non-truths that 0:04:11.290 --> 0:04:14.470 are associated with that whole space. 0:04:16.110 --> 0:04:19.640 We have these, what? These FDIs, I think that's what 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:23.140 they're called. DFIs, FDIs, I can't remember what it's called. 0:04:23.180 --> 0:04:25.219 They're there. 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:31.110 They constantly are sending money back into the fiscus because 0:04:31.150 --> 0:04:39.130 it wasn't actually allocated to entrepreneurs. The whole space is 0:04:39.170 --> 0:04:48.220 just unaccessible to South Africans. A few people will get 0:04:48.260 --> 0:04:51.460 the money. You'll get the money. 0:04:51.540 --> 0:04:51.920 All right. 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:05.479 But the guy in the gas who needs the cash injection, 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:10.339 forget it. There'll be so many barriers to entry, it's 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:15.320 not funny. I'm interested to hear your thoughts about that space. 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:20.240 I think that the answer is going to come from 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:26.120 your own agency. It's going to come from the understanding 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:31.140 that nobody's coming to help you. And that the help 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:35.180 that you require is going to come from cooperation and collaboration. 0:05:37.140 --> 0:05:41.100 Creating wealth in your own communities, that will attract the 0:05:41.140 --> 0:05:43.860 money from these organizations because that's where the money goes. 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:44.520 It goes to money. 0:05:48.020 --> 0:05:50.760 At that point, everybody will be throwing money at you 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:53.780 because they can see that you don't need their money. 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:55.370 Yeah. 0:05:59.570 --> 0:06:01.750 It's going to come from collaboration. It's going to come 0:06:01.810 --> 0:06:04.450 from understanding that you are your brother's keeper. It's going 0:06:04.490 --> 0:06:07.860 to come from connection. It's going to come from connection. 0:06:09.339 --> 0:06:11.640 It's going to come from understanding that the 350 or 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:17.839 it's now 370 rands needs to be channeled slightly differently. 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:22.880 And I agree with Timby so that perhaps it's going 0:06:22.900 --> 0:06:28.510 to start with the church, churches. That say, hey, guys, 0:06:28.550 --> 0:06:31.690 maybe we need to think a little differently about the 0:06:31.750 --> 0:06:35.710 money that is coming, however meager it is. And channel 0:06:35.750 --> 0:06:37.980 it in different ways that are going to be more productive. 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:41.760 But I think it's going to come from the understanding 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:43.140 that nobody's coming to help you. 0:06:43.180 --> 0:06:44.520 Forget it. It's not coming. 0:06:47.260 --> 0:06:51.260 Because what you are is nothing more than political cannon fodder. 0:06:53.100 --> 0:06:53.950 You are. 0:06:57.810 --> 0:07:01.530 I'm so disillusioned with the political process of this country. 0:07:02.610 --> 0:07:06.610 Because it's not actually here to solve any problems. It's 0:07:06.650 --> 0:07:09.870 here to put people into positions of authority so that 0:07:09.910 --> 0:07:12.239 they can continue looting. But it's not about solving the 0:07:12.250 --> 0:07:13.700 problems of the people of this country. 0:07:13.940 --> 0:07:14.160 True. 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:24.980 And I find it is now a place of deep 0:07:25.060 --> 0:07:30.900 shame for many of us who thought that those that 0:07:31.060 --> 0:07:36.460 are in political power are there to try and lift 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:37.550 our lives up. 0:07:38.190 --> 0:07:38.550 It's not. 0:07:44.670 --> 0:07:46.510 Am I saying you shouldn't go vote? I'm saying go 0:07:46.550 --> 0:07:50.570 and vote. Please go and vote. Please go and vote. 0:07:50.710 --> 0:07:53.400 But I can tell you right now that don't hold 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:56.200 your breath thinking that your vote is going to make 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:57.560 things any different. 0:07:58.500 --> 0:07:58.570 No. 0:07:59.500 --> 0:08:01.500 The difference that's going to come is going to come 0:08:01.580 --> 0:08:03.930 from you exercising agency. 0:08:06.070 --> 0:08:11.750 So yes, please go and vote. Vote wisely. 0:08:14.330 --> 0:08:19.430 Don't keep giving people power that continue to abuse you. 0:08:19.750 --> 0:08:22.330 That's part of your civic duty. 0:08:22.010 --> 0:08:30.940 To go and use that that agency, but. 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:36.300 The economic development of a people is not going to 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:37.160 come from government. 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:39.780 It's going to come from you. 0:08:43.460 --> 0:08:49.280 Yeah, but Orbs, the National Party government, if that's what 0:08:49.330 --> 0:08:56.050 it was, used affirmative action to develop its people. Well, 0:08:56.170 --> 0:08:58.650 our government had the opportunity to do that and it didn't. 0:09:04.210 --> 0:09:04.569 It didn't. 0:09:07.870 --> 0:09:12.170 And here's the tragedy for me. We've been kept insulated 0:09:12.230 --> 0:09:15.370 from each other. I'm talking about the communities of South Africa. 0:09:15.450 --> 0:09:23.160 Kept away from each other. And we have believed things 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:29.540 about each other that are not true. And you see 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:31.179 it in the way that we talk about each other. 0:09:35.179 --> 0:09:40.160 Because of some of the policies for redress, good policies, 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:42.780 policies that were supposed to bring about the right redress, 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:49.400 that were just not implemented properly. And so became the 0:09:50.580 --> 0:09:54.470 big elephant in the room, big failed elephant in the room. 0:09:57.550 --> 0:10:00.240 other communities that think that black people have got it 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:02.959 made because you've got these policies that are supposed to 0:10:02.980 --> 0:10:03.700 be looking after you. 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:05.980 Nothing came our way. 0:10:06.059 --> 0:10:06.380 Nothing. 0:10:07.500 --> 0:10:13.890 True. Nothing came our way. Nothing came our way. But 0:10:14.390 --> 0:10:16.750 they got us to be quiet, not say anything. 0:10:17.770 --> 0:10:17.990 Sure. 0:10:18.370 --> 0:10:23.050 Because we're ashamed of our part in bringing these people 0:10:23.090 --> 0:10:31.000 into power who betrayed us. We think white people are 0:10:31.030 --> 0:10:33.780 just having a great time and every time I speak 0:10:33.820 --> 0:10:41.200 to these, we're in trouble, we're in trouble. Speak to 0:10:41.260 --> 0:10:45.059 Indian people, to colored people, everybody is in trouble right now. 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:50.609 But you know what the merchants of division have been 0:10:50.750 --> 0:10:53.810 able to do, that they've been able to cash in 0:10:54.030 --> 0:10:57.429 on our inability to collaborate and speak to each other. 0:10:57.950 --> 0:10:58.250 True. 0:11:03.429 --> 0:11:08.380 Code number 18830702 is the number to dial. Petrol goes 0:11:08.460 --> 0:11:13.580 up in a few minutes' time by what? By 30 rands. 0:11:13.940 --> 0:11:21.510 Diesel by 33 rands, thereabouts. It's going to get bad, bro. 0:11:23.340 --> 0:11:26.300 It's going to get bad. It's already. It's going to 0:11:26.340 --> 0:11:30.300 get bad. My issue is that people are going to 0:11:30.340 --> 0:11:33.880 start getting angry and looking for somebody to blame. 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:35.979 And you know what's going to happen? We're going to 0:11:36.020 --> 0:11:36.800 blame the weak one. 0:11:37.900 --> 0:11:38.209 Yeah. 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:41.290 So men are going to blame women. Women are going 0:11:41.309 --> 0:11:47.069 to blame children. You see? It's going to be about that. 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:52.120 Because we need somebody to hold the can. We need 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:55.939 to blame somebody. And the one that we're going to 0:11:55.980 --> 0:12:04.850 blame isn't the one to blame. It brings me to 0:12:04.890 --> 0:12:09.110 the whole thing about the, and I made my comments, 0:12:09.570 --> 0:12:14.980 I stand by them, about the decision by the Constitutional 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:21.670 Court to say that Anybody who says they are an 0:12:21.730 --> 0:12:25.030 asylum seeker, whether they are in the country legally or 0:12:25.090 --> 0:12:29.880 not legally, can go and no home affairs office should 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:31.900 turn people like that away. I think that it is 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:36.340 a big mistake. I understand why it was done because 0:12:36.380 --> 0:12:38.380 I agree with the principle of why it was done. 0:12:39.020 --> 0:12:42.819 We need to document people. People must be documented. 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:43.710 Absolutely. 0:12:43.750 --> 0:12:44.260 Absolutely. 0:12:45.059 --> 0:12:47.580 But what the Constitutional Court should have done was to 0:12:47.660 --> 0:12:51.080 say that we are going to capacitate our ports of 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:57.079 entry so that the documentation of people happens properly. 0:12:56.780 --> 0:12:58.850 As per our rules and our laws. 0:12:59.929 --> 0:13:02.569 What you've now done is that you've said anybody that 0:13:03.070 --> 0:13:08.610 can make it to South Africa can now be documented 0:13:08.650 --> 0:13:12.350 in this way and I'm saying that you're inviting trouble. 0:13:12.890 --> 0:13:14.110 Not so much for. 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:22.630 The Department of Home Affairs has said we don't have 0:13:22.690 --> 0:13:26.309 the capacity for the numbers of people that are already 0:13:26.410 --> 0:13:30.490 here that are undocumented, but the people that are coming. 0:13:32.170 --> 0:13:36.059 As a result of this wonderful invitation. 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:40.000 Because let me tell you, if I was in Ethiopia 0:13:40.020 --> 0:13:42.300 right now, I'd probably be wanting to come to South Africa. 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:42.800 Sure. 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:45.940 Because there's fights that are beginning there. If I was 0:13:46.220 --> 0:13:49.640 in Sudan right now, or I would be wanting to 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:51.319 come to South Africa. In fact, I'm looking at some 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:53.940 footage here where one of the leaders in Sudan is 0:13:53.980 --> 0:13:57.120 saying that people from Eritrea, Ethiopia, Uganda must leave the 0:13:57.160 --> 0:13:58.179 country today. 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:00.829 Today. 0:14:04.290 --> 0:14:09.110 So I'd be wanting to go to South Africa. The 0:14:09.170 --> 0:14:18.480 laws are liberal. There's economic opportunities. Here's the problem. There 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:22.359 are people in South Africa, the natives of South Africa, 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:28.860 who have not felt the benefit of freedom and economic prosperity, 0:14:30.060 --> 0:14:32.380 who are now going to share those. 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:35.180 Scarce resources. 0:14:37.700 --> 0:14:42.120 Health, schooling, jail space, all of those, they're going to 0:14:42.140 --> 0:14:45.190 have to share that stuff because people need to work. 0:14:45.230 --> 0:14:49.520 And we don't do this camp thing here in South Africa, 0:14:49.540 --> 0:14:55.000 of refugees. So they are integrated into our communities and society. 0:14:56.380 --> 0:15:00.280 By the way, those communities and society wasn't asked about 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:02.610 whether or not they are happy with the fact that 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:04.770 we're going to have a lot of people coming to 0:15:04.870 --> 0:15:06.790 integrate with us. 0:15:07.550 --> 0:15:14.310 They weren't asked. They weren't asked. Because it's assumed that 0:15:14.330 --> 0:15:17.870 they must just toe the line, you see. Just toe 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:20.090 the line. Shut up and toe the line. 0:15:20.230 --> 0:15:20.510 Yeah. 0:15:23.230 --> 0:15:28.650 Nobody asked you. You're told, no, no, no. 0:15:29.150 --> 0:15:31.950 The constitution is the highest law in the land and 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:34.900 whatever the constitutional court says is unappealable. 0:15:34.940 --> 0:15:35.280 That's it. 0:15:35.300 --> 0:15:35.540 Sorry. 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:35.900 Bye-bye. 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:43.040 But that doesn't mean it's not going to create chaos 0:15:43.140 --> 0:15:51.460 on the ground because of its unimplementableness. or unimplemented, you 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:51.820 know what I'm. 0:15:51.780 --> 0:15:52.180 Trying to say. 0:15:54.660 --> 0:15:58.060 Home Affairs itself is telling you we don't have the capacity. 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:02.570 How do you bring about a policy that you can't implement? 0:16:02.870 --> 0:16:06.590 The guys at the BMA are saying, then what are 0:16:06.630 --> 0:16:07.150 we here for? 0:16:08.410 --> 0:16:09.890 Talking about the Border Management Authority. 0:16:10.950 --> 0:16:15.000 They're saying, well, you know, The Department of Home Affairs 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:16.700 under Leon Schreiber is saying we. 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:19.640 Asked for 16 drones. We were given four. 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:22.750 Notwithstanding the fact that the money was there to buy 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:27.350 the 16 drones in order to manage the borders, we 0:16:27.370 --> 0:16:35.390 were just given four. I'm saying that this is not 0:16:35.410 --> 0:16:38.750 going to work. It's going to cause trouble. And we 0:16:38.790 --> 0:16:41.270 can all look at each other and go, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:16:41.330 --> 0:16:43.550 I got my way. But I'm telling you now that 0:16:43.590 --> 0:16:45.750 it's going to bring trouble. It's going to bring serious trouble. 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:59.020 And so I'm asking the question, who and what are 0:16:59.060 --> 0:17:07.130 people thinking when they make these rules, these policies? That's 0:17:07.150 --> 0:17:10.310 my position. I'm happy to have a conversation with you 0:17:10.350 --> 0:17:15.130 about that. I agree with the principle that you must 0:17:15.510 --> 0:17:18.950 document people so that you know who's here for what purpose. 0:17:19.150 --> 0:17:22.490 Absolutely agree with that principle. But the idea should be 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:31.140 to capacitate our borders, our entry points, and to make 0:17:31.220 --> 0:17:34.320 sure that our borders are properly secured so that everybody 0:17:34.380 --> 0:17:40.439 comes in the right way. It might not be the 0:17:40.530 --> 0:17:43.530 intention to have people come into this country illegally, but 0:17:43.910 --> 0:17:47.409 that's the invitation that you've made, particularly from people that 0:17:47.430 --> 0:17:51.310 are coming from untenable societies where children are being killed, 0:17:51.869 --> 0:17:52.530 women are being. 0:17:54.670 --> 0:17:56.950 That's what you're doing. It's not your intention, but that's 0:17:56.970 --> 0:17:59.859 what you're going to be doing. And it's the lack 0:17:59.970 --> 0:18:05.240 of that practical thinking that I'm finding, quite frankly, amazing. 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:14.609 Frankly, irritating. I'm happy to have that conversation with you 0:18:14.630 --> 0:18:16.880 and many other issues that are happening. 0:18:16.930 --> 0:18:21.780 I suppose General Feroz Khan didn't make it. He did come, 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:25.399 but he was allowed to go home because there's a 0:18:25.420 --> 0:18:28.619 relative of his that got shot on the R21 yesterday. 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:34.979 May Saul rest in peace. 011-883-0702 is the number to dial. 0:18:34.980 --> 0:18:35.040 702. 0:18:35.020 --> 0:18:44.950 Call us on 011-883-0702. Chris is in Bryanston. Hi, Chris. 0:18:45.910 --> 0:18:47.870 Hi, Aubrey, my brother. How are you doing? 0:18:47.990 --> 0:18:48.430 I'm well. 0:18:48.470 --> 0:18:51.180 Hey, amen, amen, my brother. How are you? 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:53.600 Praise the Lord. Amen, amen. 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:54.940 I'm fine, thanks. 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:56.580 I'm fine, thanks. Thank the Lord. 0:18:56.859 --> 0:19:01.080 Are you well? I'm very well. Thank you, Chris. Thank you. 0:19:01.100 --> 0:19:01.320 Amen. 0:19:01.380 --> 0:19:03.060 Praise the Lord. What is on your mind, Chris? 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:07.950 My brother, we just thank you for the program again. 0:19:08.930 --> 0:19:12.709 And we just, I just got back from, there was 0:19:12.730 --> 0:19:16.490 a very interesting meeting that we had at a church 0:19:16.570 --> 0:19:20.120 in Protea Glen. And there was, it was all the 0:19:20.170 --> 0:19:26.180 mayoral candidates of Joburg basically speaking, you know, just around what, 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:28.100 what are they going to bring to the table and 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:29.700 all of that type of thing. So it was actually 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:32.920 a very interesting meeting. And then while I was driving home, 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:34.879 the Lord spoke to me and he said, do you 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:37.340 know that the problems in South Africa are not political? 0:19:38.350 --> 0:19:42.280 And I was like, wow, okay, now that's interesting. And 0:19:42.300 --> 0:19:45.080 then he reminded me of a question that he asked 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:48.320 me quite a while back, and he reminded me of 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:52.140 that question. He said, why have I given South African 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:55.680 leaders that treat you with contempt? So I said, okay, Lord, 0:19:55.700 --> 0:19:59.100 that's a powerful question. And I think I know why. 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:01.300 But please will you tell me why? 0:20:01.740 --> 0:20:04.060 And he said, the reason why I've given you leaders 0:20:04.100 --> 0:20:08.330 that treat you with contempt is because It's the same 0:20:08.410 --> 0:20:11.750 contempt that the people of South Africa are treating me with, 0:20:11.990 --> 0:20:16.409 exactly the same level of contempt. And he says the heart, 0:20:16.490 --> 0:20:19.330 the problem in this country and around the world actually 0:20:19.910 --> 0:20:23.490 is the hearts of the people have turned away from 0:20:23.530 --> 0:20:27.770 the Lord Jesus Christ and have adopted and have embraced money. 0:20:27.830 --> 0:20:31.790 Their focus is now money, money, money, me, myself, and I, 0:20:31.890 --> 0:20:34.620 and everything that's about ourselves now. how we can get 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:36.949 more money, how we can get more power and all 0:20:36.970 --> 0:20:40.109 of these things. So this was interesting for me because 0:20:40.150 --> 0:20:43.650 I'm a politician, as you know, I'm in politics, right? So, 0:20:44.010 --> 0:20:46.970 and this is, so the Lord is saying that, and 0:20:47.030 --> 0:20:49.090 he gave me a scripture and he says, if my 0:20:49.210 --> 0:20:53.290 people will humble themselves, if my people who are called 0:20:53.310 --> 0:20:57.119 by my name will humble themselves and will pray and 0:20:57.160 --> 0:21:00.360 will turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:02.950 heaven and I will forgive them of their sins and 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:06.920 I will heal their land as in their country, right? 0:21:07.540 --> 0:21:10.780 So the Lord is saying it's all about the heart 0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:15.580 of man turning back to the Lord, seeking him with 0:21:15.660 --> 0:21:18.889 all their heart, spending time with him every day, reading 0:21:18.910 --> 0:21:22.290 their word and really seeking the Lord, drawing close to 0:21:22.330 --> 0:21:26.270 the Lord every day and putting God first again. And 0:21:26.330 --> 0:21:29.620 that is where God heals the nation. He heals the 0:21:29.630 --> 0:21:33.149 condition of of the heart of man, which only he 0:21:33.190 --> 0:21:36.750 can heal. And then he heals. And as a consequence, 0:21:36.830 --> 0:21:40.820 your nation is healed as well. And sanity will prevail 0:21:40.950 --> 0:21:41.460 once again. 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:44.320 Glory! Christian Bryanston. 0:21:44.859 --> 0:21:51.000 Amen, my brother. Thank you so much. Timber in Johannesburg. Amen, brother. 0:21:51.119 --> 0:21:53.680 Yes, sir. How are you, sir? I'm well. 0:21:53.740 --> 0:21:54.140 I'm well. 0:21:54.200 --> 0:22:07.659 What's on your mind? I think every day. 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:12.520 The government of the bandits or of the jailbirds is 0:22:12.580 --> 0:22:16.919 going to disappoint you deeply, is a quote that Temba 0:22:17.000 --> 0:22:22.980 is making by the former president of Bobuta Tsuwana, Lucas Manyani, Mangwao. 0:22:24.470 --> 0:22:28.440 I think disappointed is an incorrect translation and I say 0:22:28.460 --> 0:22:34.100 this respectfully because I think you are one of the 0:22:34.220 --> 0:22:36.840 finest people that I know that speak English in the 0:22:36.859 --> 0:22:37.640 way that you do. 0:22:39.619 --> 0:22:44.170 Thank you. Feels like a backer. Yeah. 0:22:45.150 --> 0:22:46.610 It's going to torture you. 0:22:46.990 --> 0:22:47.230 Yeah. 0:22:47.670 --> 0:22:48.930 It's going to torture. 0:22:49.010 --> 0:22:56.020 It's torturing every single South African citizen. 0:22:58.220 --> 0:22:58.790 P.W. 0:22:58.830 --> 0:23:04.050 Boyd, by the way, one of the most violent leaders 0:23:04.090 --> 0:23:07.090 that this country has produced, said, yeah, one of these ones. 0:23:08.970 --> 0:23:14.630 They have committed themselves so much to monopoly capital that 0:23:15.590 --> 0:23:18.760 you simply don't have a future in this country. And 0:23:18.780 --> 0:23:24.090 you are sitting next to Madiba. At that stage, black 0:23:24.130 --> 0:23:33.430 people were excited that Madiba wears a beautiful shirt, that 0:23:33.470 --> 0:23:38.010 he can dance. Those are small things that interested us 0:23:38.050 --> 0:23:45.300 so much that we could entrust our entire future to 0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:49.880 a group of men and women who offered us nothing 0:23:49.940 --> 0:23:59.409 but singing. Mukwana, as he said, and he's in the 0:23:59.470 --> 0:24:03.470 confines of crime, he says, we have a serious problem 0:24:03.530 --> 0:24:08.370 in this country. And that problem is a black man. 0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:15.400 When we do a reflection, who is the biggest problem 0:24:15.440 --> 0:24:16.620 when it comes to voting? 0:24:18.780 --> 0:24:19.260 Black people. 0:24:22.000 --> 0:24:24.879 When we take a decision to vote for somebody in 0:24:24.900 --> 0:24:31.780 the form of Penny Penny, and Penny Penny turns our 0:24:31.859 --> 0:24:37.540 parliament into a comedy show, when Mamka Wula says, hey, 0:24:37.580 --> 0:24:40.570 wash out, we're in a minister, we laugh. 0:24:42.630 --> 0:24:43.770 These are people. 0:24:43.410 --> 0:24:48.810 That parliamentary staff says some of them can't switch on 0:24:48.930 --> 0:24:55.119 a laptop. just to switch it on. These are people 0:24:55.160 --> 0:25:02.420 that are supposed to create laws that bar the likes 0:25:02.640 --> 0:25:09.320 of the Constitutional Court for making the decisions that the 0:25:09.340 --> 0:25:14.300 Court has recently made. When Donald Trump took office and 0:25:14.340 --> 0:25:19.399 he said, some of the judges that we have in 0:25:19.420 --> 0:25:22.070 the country are not playing the law. 0:25:23.150 --> 0:25:27.340 They're playing politics. Men can't give birth. 0:25:28.740 --> 0:25:30.980 The whole judge will say to you, no, but that 0:25:31.060 --> 0:25:37.960 is scientifically untrue. You sit there and you're like, but 0:25:38.060 --> 0:25:40.610 what science do you need to prove that men can't 0:25:40.640 --> 0:25:43.070 give birth? But the judges that will tell you, no, no, no, 0:25:43.109 --> 0:25:48.189 it's scientifically untrue. When they're supposed to sentence someone to 0:25:48.230 --> 0:25:50.919 prison and he stands up in court and says, You 0:25:50.940 --> 0:25:54.100 know what, from an hour ago, I'm now a female. 0:25:54.480 --> 0:25:57.659 The judge says, amazing stuff. I'm sending you to a 0:25:57.700 --> 0:26:06.209 female prison. Some judges play politics. But you've launched Penny Penny. 0:26:08.030 --> 0:26:17.070 You've launched Mamuka Wood to be your defender. And when 0:26:17.130 --> 0:26:21.170 he gets there, and he makes a joke of who 0:26:21.210 --> 0:26:25.170 we are as a people in parliament, you laugh. 0:26:25.030 --> 0:26:34.149 Along with the jokes that he makes. You like it 0:26:34.230 --> 0:26:34.710 or you don't. 0:26:37.490 --> 0:26:40.090 I like Mamkaula one time. 0:26:40.630 --> 0:26:45.450 The statement that you made earlier on, remember Mamkaula, they 0:26:45.510 --> 0:26:50.270 dance to Julius' tune. They don't have a voice. They 0:26:50.290 --> 0:26:55.280 don't have a thought. The Tambo gentleman speaks very well. 0:26:55.320 --> 0:26:58.980 And I always say to people, don't be mesmerized by English. 0:26:59.560 --> 0:27:03.560 It is a language after all. Listen to what the 0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:07.750 person is saying. None of those people can tell you 0:27:07.770 --> 0:27:12.950 what Julius is thinking tonight. But whatever he wakes up with, 0:27:13.010 --> 0:27:17.260 they support it wholly. even if it's a clear contradiction 0:27:17.380 --> 0:27:21.280 of what he said the night before. But those people 0:27:21.340 --> 0:27:26.540 are sitting in Parliament. A judge makes a statement in 0:27:26.600 --> 0:27:32.210 a country that is still battling infrastructural issues to provide 0:27:32.290 --> 0:27:37.470 children with education facilities. A judge makes a statement like that. 0:27:39.570 --> 0:27:48.490 Political parties are not offended. And it's not that the 0:27:48.570 --> 0:27:51.850 issue is more that they truly cannot, some of them 0:27:52.430 --> 0:27:57.590 cannot understand what that judgment means. They cannot translate to money, 0:27:58.790 --> 0:28:02.450 even if they are sitting in parliament. We have a 0:28:02.890 --> 0:28:08.380 serious problem, and that problem is black people. You made 0:28:08.460 --> 0:28:15.340 a statement earlier on that they point out differences between us. Effectively, 0:28:15.400 --> 0:28:19.280 that's what you implied, I think. They point out differences 0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:22.010 between you and the Afrikaner and you and the Indian. 0:28:22.030 --> 0:28:26.230