1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: Across the Desk with Clements Mantela on seven o two. 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 2: So Across the Desk feature this morning. I'm really excited 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 2: to be hosting Live Guards. I'm joined by some of 4 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 2: South Africa's unsung heroes. They are lifeguards from the National 5 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 2: Sea Rescue Institute, which is actually the primary water rescue organization, 6 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 2: operating over fifty rescue stations along the South African coastline. 7 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 2: They're on major dams and inland waterways, so a lot 8 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 2: of you are seeing them at the beaches across the 9 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 2: country because they want to prevent drownings. They respond to emergencies, 10 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 2: they educate the public as well on water safety, so 11 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 2: they are so important, especially in our country which has 12 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 2: one of the highest drowning rates in the world. I mean, 13 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 2: we've got hundreds of drowning debt recorded each year. So 14 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 2: you've probably seen them on the beach or you read 15 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 2: about they're daring rescues in the news, but do you 16 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 2: really know what it takes to become a lifeguard and 17 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 2: what their day to day work actually looks like. Right 18 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 2: from the dramatic Garden Route coastline stretching between George and 19 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 2: Nisner to the Ragget shows off the West coast, you 20 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 2: name it. What we're going to do this hour is 21 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 2: just get to find out about the work that they do. 22 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 3: Right. 23 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 2: This is not just about, you know, swimming out to 24 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 2: save someone. It's a highly skilled, physically demanding and emotionally 25 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 2: complex profession built on training, on teamwork systems, split second decisions, 26 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 2: and I wonder how they navigate all of that. I'd 27 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 2: like you to join this conversation as well. Maybe you 28 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 2: were a lifeguard before in your life, maybe it's something 29 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 2: you would want to do, or maybe you've got a 30 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 2: question you've always wanted to ask a lifeguard. You can 31 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 2: give us a call on oh one one eight eight 32 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 2: three oh seven oh two, or you can send us 33 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 2: a what's up on oh seven two seven or two 34 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 2: one seven oh two. In studio with me, I've got 35 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 2: Michael Pierce, who is a lifeguard with the nsr I, 36 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 2: and Abija Apolis who is a lifeguard with the nsr 37 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 2: I and lifeguard manager as well. Michael and Abija, thank 38 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 2: you so much for joining us. Good morning, good morning, 39 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 2: awesome to be here. How are you guys doing? You 40 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,679 Speaker 2: will yea good great day? No, thank you Matt for 41 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 2: coming through. So I want to start off with just 42 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 2: how the jenny began? For you guys, how did you 43 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 2: end up in life guarding? Was it a deliberate career 44 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 2: choice or did you just fall in love with it? 45 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 4: So I just fell in love with it. I started 46 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 4: because my brother was doing it. I had no actual 47 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 4: drive to be there, and but by the end of 48 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 4: it, it was one of the best decisions I've ever made, 49 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 4: just life changing pretty much. 50 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 2: It wasn't scary for you when you saw your brother 51 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 2: do it, No, not at all. So we both did 52 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 2: our training together. OK. Yeah, and for you, Abija, how 53 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 2: did you get into it? 54 00:02:58,160 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 3: For me? 55 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 5: Something that actually found me. I was at a point 56 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 5: where I didn't do much, and I've also was at 57 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 5: a place where I was not as skilled in the water. 58 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 5: So when life saving found me, it was basically the 59 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 5: opportunity for me to skial myself in the water and 60 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 5: basically work on swimming and all those kinds of aspects. 61 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 5: And once it's found me, and once it was in it, 62 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 5: it was as if I was meant to be there. 63 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. How skilled do you need to be to be 64 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 2: able to be a lifeguard? 65 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 5: So you need various skills at gas it's a lot 66 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 5: of hard work. The course that we run covers a 67 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 5: variety of skills from your swimming, your fitness, your MEC 68 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 5: which is your Emergency care CPR, which is basically covers 69 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 5: oxygen use and use of an AD which is an 70 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 5: automatic electronic defibrillator. So who basically to deal with all 71 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 5: emergencies on the beach and yeah. 72 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and is it emergencies on the beach, Michael, or 73 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 2: whatever is happening on this sea. So it's a bit 74 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 2: of both. 75 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 4: So we manage all of the people that turn up 76 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 4: to the beach, So we respond to heart attacks and 77 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 4: other incidences that happen on the sand as well as 78 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 4: in water rescues and the incidents that happen in the sea. 79 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 2: So we do both. Okay, So can you take us 80 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 2: into like a typical day and what a typical day 81 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 2: of a life guard looks like? The pads for someone 82 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 2: working on the guid and rude versus the worst codes, 83 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 2: whatever this scenario is. But what does a typical day 84 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 2: looks like? What do you do in the morning? Are 85 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 2: the activities you do before training? And then you go 86 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:47,119 Speaker 2: how does it work? 87 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, so when you turn up to work, you get 88 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 4: the keys, you unlock the tower, you get all the 89 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 4: equipment out, you do equipment checks, you set up the flags. 90 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 4: Then we'll go for a current swim, make sure we've 91 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 4: chosen a good spot, and then adjust accordingly. Then as 92 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 4: soon as we hit a certain amount of bathers, then 93 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 4: we start flagshifts, and then we go for our shift rotations. 94 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 4: And then when you're off shift, then you spend time 95 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 4: with friends, have a great time, go swimming, keep up 96 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 4: your fitness and yeah. 97 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 2: Keep that fitness. Yeah yeah. How alert do you need 98 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 2: to be a bit? I mean when you are right 99 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 2: at work, because I've often seen like lifeguards are very alert, 100 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 2: so they're looking around, they're trying to make sure they 101 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 2: don't miss anything. How crucial is that in the job. 102 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 5: It's extremely crucial to be alert because I mean, to 103 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 5: drown can take anything as little as even thirty seconds 104 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 5: for someone to drown, So you need to be extremely alert. 105 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 5: You need to have eyes on your bathing area, the 106 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 5: bathers in the water at all times, so there's never 107 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 5: a time that nobody's looking. You always have to have 108 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 5: eyes on and yeah, an incident can happen extremely quickly, 109 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 5: so always alert at all times. 110 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 2: Are there any specific like most challenging rescue, all situations 111 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 2: that you have faced in your career, and I want 112 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 2: to learn how what did that teach you, Like, is 113 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 2: there any rescue you were part of, and what did 114 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 2: that mean to you at the moment. 115 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 4: Yeah, So personally, the rescue that I'm most proud of 116 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 4: was my brother was on flags. 117 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:22,679 Speaker 2: I was by the tower. 118 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 4: I think we had about four people lifeguards on the 119 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 4: beach and this little eleven year old boy got swept 120 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 4: out onto a rip current and he got swept out 121 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,239 Speaker 4: far about two hundred and fifty meters and my brother 122 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 4: got to him first, but he got onto the torpedo 123 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 4: boy and climbed the rope and then got onto my 124 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 4: brother and choked him out. So by the time I 125 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 4: got there, my brother pretty much passed the guy to me. 126 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 4: And by the time he passed the guy to me, 127 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 4: the eleven ye old boy he was unconscious and my 128 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 4: brother was barely keeping himself above water after being choked out. 129 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 4: So swam the guy out, unconscious, got onto the beach 130 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 4: andasor I was ready there waiting with oxygen and prepping 131 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 4: for a resource. Luckily, the guy stour at a pulse, 132 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 4: so we just gave oxygen, caught an ambulance and got 133 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 4: everything sorted for him to get okay. 134 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 2: No, my brother was fine, Oh, he was fine. He 135 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 2: managed to okay. Cool. Jeez, that's a long swim for 136 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 2: him to get out. He was tired. So you don't 137 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 2: need to be You can be overwhelmed in this job 138 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 2: that you guys do here. You have to be able 139 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 2: to think critically. And because I can imagine when I'm 140 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 2: facing those two scenarios with this young little boy, but 141 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 2: look at my brother who's struggling a bit there, I 142 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 2: wouldn't really know what to do. 143 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 4: Now, You've got to You have to keep a level head. 144 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 4: That's a big part of it, especially when all the 145 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 4: adrenaline is going. You need to make sure that you 146 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 4: have a plan to get to the casualty quickly and 147 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 4: then get him out safely and in a quick manner 148 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 4: as well. 149 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd beg here for you. Is there anything that 150 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 2: comes top of your mind when you think of the 151 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 2: rescues you've been part of? 152 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,679 Speaker 5: So for me, I've been involved in various rescues. However, 153 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 5: every single rescue is a learning or opportunity because all 154 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 5: rescues are fluid. No rescue is actually the same as 155 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 5: the previous one. Yeah, I've been in various positions where too. 156 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 5: Basically in my position as a manager, sometimes I'm traveling 157 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 5: between beaches and I'm not always on the beach, but 158 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 5: in my travels as I'm going from one beach to 159 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 5: the other, I sparted someone in difficulty on a beach 160 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 5: where there is actually no lifeguard situated, and I had 161 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 5: to respond, stop the vehicle, jump off, get that person 162 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 5: out of the water as quickly as possible, you know. 163 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:38,719 Speaker 5: So yeah, across like every single rescue that you do, 164 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 5: there is always something that you can learn. 165 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 6: You know. 166 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I've seen sometimes, like when I travel, I'll 167 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 2: see like private beaches, yeah, where there's really no one 168 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 2: there and there's no lifeguard inside. But it's like a 169 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 2: private beach. So if you're at a resort and like 170 00:08:58,240 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 2: just when you get out, you get to the beach 171 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 2: and you see people are walking around there, they're getting 172 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 2: into the water, but there's no lifeguard. How does it 173 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 2: work in those instances, Like is it a requirement that 174 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 2: every single beach side must have a lifeguard or with 175 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 2: some private beaches you just let people be on there. 176 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 5: Art So most of your municipal beaches, they will have 177 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 5: lifeguards because why it's a municipal contract. Some private beaches 178 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 5: will have lifeguards, but that's more of a private contract. 179 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 5: There's other beaches that is not seen as like swimming beaches, 180 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 5: and there will be no lifeguard's presence. However, in a 181 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 5: SR I got a pink Boy initiative where on majority 182 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,959 Speaker 5: of the beaches there is always a pink boy, which 183 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 5: is a rich a torpedo can that any person can 184 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 5: grab a hold of and go in and rescue someone with. 185 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 5: So yeah, that initiative has actually saved a lot of 186 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,319 Speaker 5: lives on beaches where there is no lifeguards. 187 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 2: What do you think, Michael? It is that you know, 188 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 2: we don't understand about your job that you wish we 189 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 2: did as members of the public, so that we don't 190 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 2: make your life more difficult because we just want to 191 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 2: have fun. So when we come to the beaches sometimes 192 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 2: we kind of in swim, but you know, we are 193 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 2: too excited to want to go deeper or I really 194 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 2: want to be pushed by that wave, but you don't 195 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 2: know what's going to happen. We'll push you back into 196 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 2: the So what is it that you think as people 197 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 2: who come and some of us who may or may 198 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:33,959 Speaker 2: not know how to swim. What do we need to understand? 199 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, we're just trying to keep you guys safe. We're 200 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 4: not trying to annoy you guys, and just if you 201 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 4: guys don't take it personally, we're doing our job and 202 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 4: you guys can have fun. So yeah, also we aren't 203 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,839 Speaker 4: law enforcement. We do get a lot of incidents is 204 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 4: where people are expecting us to be the authority on 205 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 4: the beach and that doesn't really fall under our juristriction. 206 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 4: We're just trying to keep people safe and we can 207 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 4: get them involved if we need to. 208 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 2: But yeah, what happens though if people are not listening 209 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 2: to you, So if you say to them that's a 210 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 2: danger zone, don't go there, or and then they just 211 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,599 Speaker 2: do that because they are either you know, they're in 212 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 2: anybody drunk or maybe they're just too excited. Then what 213 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 2: do you do because you're not an enfossil of the law. 214 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, so the main thing is don't get confrontational with them, 215 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 5: so continually to advise them. If it does not work, 216 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 5: then yes, call in law enforcement to come and deal 217 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 5: with the situation, because I mean they're enforcing the law, 218 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 5: so they got a better grasp of getting through to 219 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 5: this guy. But as a lifeguard, the best thing you 220 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 5: can do is continue to advise why they should not 221 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 5: actually go in there. And one thing you should know 222 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 5: about a lifeguard, he is not just some oak on 223 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 5: the beach there. He's actually a trained professional. I mean 224 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 5: he's gone through a lot of training and it's quite 225 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 5: gruelling training to get this. It's got an understanding of 226 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 5: the beach and where the dangerous areas and where the 227 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 5: safe areas are. So lifeguard will put up the safe 228 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 5: area weather flags and that is where you're supposed to 229 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 5: go swim. And a lot of people don't know how 230 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 5: to identify rep currents as well. REP currents can sometimes 231 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 5: look like the calms place on the sea over there. 232 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 5: So you'll see this area with nice waves and you 233 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 5: suddenly see this nice little calm area looks great and 234 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 5: people want to go in there, and that is actually 235 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 5: the dangerous area because in that little area that looks 236 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 5: nice and clear, and that's where the water is actually 237 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 5: being pulled out and the area where the waves are 238 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 5: breaking is where the water is coming in where you 239 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 5: are safe. And a lot of people do not understand that, 240 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 5: and part of our job is also to educate the 241 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 5: people about this. 242 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 2: Yeah sure, Yeah, there's a lot we need to understand. 243 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you guys to put on your 244 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 2: headphones now we're gonna take some what's up voice notes. 245 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 2: Oh one, one, eight, three, oh seven or two is 246 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 2: the number to call if you want to join this 247 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 2: conversation with lifeguards that we are hosting on our across 248 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 2: the desk feature really some of the countries and sun heroes, 249 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 2: people who protect us right, who are always quick to 250 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 2: be so quick in their reaction whenever there's any emergency, 251 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:16,719 Speaker 2: whether on the beach while you're having fun with your 252 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 2: family or friends. Your WhatsApps are also coming through on 253 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 2: seven to seven O two one seven O two. Good 254 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 2: morning Clement and seven no two lenders. Yeah. 255 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 7: All I got to say is I respect the heck 256 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 7: out of lifeguards and kudos to them for keeping us safe. 257 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 7: I frequent Balito during the firstive seasons, so I do 258 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,319 Speaker 7: appreciate all the work that they do. 259 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 6: Good morning Clement, and your guess they I just want 260 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 6: to ask your guys today how many cases. 261 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 8: Of them rescuing people? 262 00:13:56,040 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 6: Those cases are contributed by alcohol and also for people 263 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 6: who like me, do not know how to swim, what 264 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 6: are they dos and don'ts on the beach, beach and 265 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:15,719 Speaker 6: in general other cases, what are they contributing factors that 266 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 6: makes them to initiate the. 267 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 8: Rescue? 268 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 6: What can when we do to prevent us, well ourselves 269 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 6: from drowning drowning? 270 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for for your questions. So 271 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 2: there are two questions there about one alcohol, how much 272 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 2: of it is actually a factor in the many incidents 273 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 2: that you respond to. And the second question is about 274 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 2: the dos and dance for us when we come to 275 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 2: especially for people who can swim, and it takeers cool. 276 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 4: So alcohol is a major major factor when it leads 277 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 4: to drownings. We're very lucky on the George Beaches to 278 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 4: have law enforcement there mostly throughout season and they confiscate 279 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 4: alcohol and the amount of incidents has gone down incredibly. So, so, yeah, 280 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 4: if you don't know how to swim, don't drink and 281 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 4: then go into the water. It's quite simple. But yeah, 282 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 4: it doesn't mean you can't have fun. Yeah, but as 283 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 4: a time and a place for you. 284 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, So across our beaches we've had a couple of 285 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 5: incidents regarding alcohol, but like Michael has said, law enforcement 286 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 5: is always there to assist and so it has been 287 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 5: a decline in alcohol related incidents. However it is still 288 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 5: important or it's still a prominent factor in drownings. Yeah. 289 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 5: And with regards to how they can keep themselves safe 290 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 5: on the beach, the best thing is to do is 291 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 5: to go swim where the lifeguards have actually placed the flags. 292 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 5: So swim between the flags if you do not know 293 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 5: how to swim, or you can swim but not very well. 294 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 5: I'll swim between the flags because between the flags is 295 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 5: a safe area that the lifeguards have found on the beach. 296 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 5: So do not swim outside of the flags. Keep yourself there. 297 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 5: How do we identify the flags? Is it like physical? 298 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 5: It is physical flags in color? So yeah, so it's 299 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 5: red and yellow. Yeah, okay, so look out for the race. 300 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 5: So they'll be placed right near the water's edge on 301 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 5: the sand bank and yeah, clearly visible. 302 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 2: All right, let's go to meet And now Bradley is 303 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 2: calling us from meet and Bradley, good morning morning. 304 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 5: Hey, how are you. 305 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 2: I'm good in you, I'm all right, man, go ahead, 306 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 2: what's your. 307 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 8: I wanted to for the question to your guest there, 308 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 8: what makes these white shacks, great white sucks the bad 309 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 8: blood against human beings because someone the beach that no 310 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 8: go areas, because shack attacks can be imminently any given time. 311 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 8: What the part has that the sharks like to attack 312 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 8: the only things that I know that hates human beings? 313 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 2: Why are there's no attracted to us? 314 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 5: All right, Bradley Exactly? 315 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,959 Speaker 8: That's violent when they see us. They don't know why. 316 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, Bradlen Marton, thank you for your question. What attracts 317 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 2: sharks to the Also these certain beaches and yeah, how 318 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 2: dangerous really are they? Yeah? 319 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 4: So there's two main reasons why shark attacks happen on humans. 320 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 4: One is mistaken identification. So sharks are pretty bad eyesight, 321 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 4: and especially if they see surfers from the bottom up 322 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 4: in low lights, especially when it's getting sunset, they think 323 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 4: it's the seal, they think it's food and they go 324 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 4: for it. And that's one of the major reasons for 325 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 4: shark attacks. The other is when there's less food resources 326 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 4: available to them. So when you have overfishing or just 327 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 4: places that aren't protected, you're going to have a lot 328 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 4: of shark attacks. And the problem that we've got along 329 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 4: the George Coast line is that you have spear fishermen 330 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 4: and they attach fish that they've caught to themselves or 331 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 4: to the line, and that obviously just attracts the sharks. 332 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 4: They want to easy meal, so they go for the 333 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 4: fish on the line. We had one guy swim in 334 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 4: through Herald's Bay recently and he had I think two 335 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 4: big like meet a long fish and it was only 336 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 4: the heads left because sharks have gone up and taken 337 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 4: the rest of the fish away. So yeah, those are 338 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 4: the three major factors. 339 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 2: So have you guys witnessed any shark attacks. 340 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 5: Not too long out cost? 341 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 2: Okay, sure, yeah, that would be so scary to me. 342 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 2: Some questions coming through us on the What's Up lane 343 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:55,199 Speaker 2: Anonymous sustement. I want to know if the live guards 344 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 2: jump into the water immediately after they see that someone 345 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 2: is drum or do they wait until I'm helpless? That's 346 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 2: a question there from Anonymous. What's the procedure? 347 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 5: So us in us, our lifeguards, we pride ourselves in 348 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 5: our preventative actions, so we focus majority of our time 349 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,360 Speaker 5: on preventions, which means we want to stop something from 350 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 5: happening before it actually happens. So that's why we set 351 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 5: up safe areas for people to swim in. If we 352 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 5: see you moving out of the safe area, we are 353 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 5: there to tell you, ay, just move over and swim 354 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 5: where you need to be. So we do a lot 355 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 5: of preventative actions. However, there is if needs be to 356 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 5: rescue someone, we have to go immediately because, like I said, 357 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 5: a drowning can happen within thirty seconds, so action needs 358 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 5: to be quite fast to get to the person and 359 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 5: get them out. And we do not wait until you 360 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 5: are extremely bazire about to drown. We have to act 361 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 5: before that. So there is ways that we can identify 362 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 5: people that are in trouble. So with our casualty recognition, 363 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 5: you normally get three different can I say, factors or 364 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 5: so you get a stress swimmer, someone who's swimming and 365 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 5: he can swim, but he's a bit tired or whatever, 366 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 5: and you will be floating were on the lookout for that. 367 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 5: You get an active drowning casualty. It's somebody that's now 368 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 5: really in a position of drowning. So he'll no longer 369 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 5: be in a horizontal swimming position. It will be upright, 370 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 5: his head will be bobbing up and down in the water. 371 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 5: It might look like he wants to climb a ladder 372 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 5: because I mean he's trying to get above the water. 373 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 5: And then after that you get a passive drowning casualty, 374 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 5: whereas the person has already basically drouned and his face 375 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 5: down in the water. So those are all stuff we 376 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 5: look out for, but as much as possible, we focus 377 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,719 Speaker 5: on the prevention. We don't want it to get to 378 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 5: that point. 379 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 6: Yeah. 380 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. The advice we often got get is especially for 381 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 2: some of us who are not great swimmers, is when 382 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 2: you are in the sea and something happens, don't fight 383 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 2: the sea. Just try and be relaxed, Like, yes, How'm 384 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 2: I relaxed? Drowning? So what do we do? What? What 385 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 2: would be your advice for us to do? Because we 386 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 2: end up now fighting the water and that sometimes it 387 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 2: just works against us. 388 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, what fighting the water is gonna it's gonna tie 389 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 5: you out, and because now you're tired and you're distressed, 390 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 5: you cannot keep yourself up in the water anymore. So 391 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 5: the best thing is to relax, float and let the 392 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 5: current take you because where so basically what happens with 393 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 5: the rep current it does pull strong along the beach, 394 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 5: but once it gets out it kind of dissipates and 395 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 5: it lets you go. So once it has let you go, 396 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 5: you can swim across the way you see waves and 397 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 5: you can come back with the waves because waves is 398 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 5: your way in, and then the rope is trying out. 399 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 2: I see, I see. Okay, fascinating, so fascinating. There are 400 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 2: more what's a voice notes that are that are coming through, 401 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 2: so let's start with this one. 402 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 3: Good morning, Clement, Yeah, it's all really. 403 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 2: Thanks for a show, Mary Major. 404 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 3: Currently, can the gentlemen tell me when it in terms 405 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 3: of like body weight, because most of the lifeguards I've 406 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 3: noticed that they are slim. 407 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 2: I'm a slimer person. 408 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 3: But in terms of a big person, how do they 409 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 3: manage that because of the weight of that person and 410 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 3: therefore the wave also the water I remember the water 411 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 3: is also heavy, So how do they manage that while 412 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 3: we're getting that strength to pull me out? If maybe 413 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 3: I'm a big person, I'm not pretty shaming, but in 414 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 3: terms of I'm a big person, how do they manage 415 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 3: to tread me out and to to save me? Let 416 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 3: let me put it that which censum Yeah, yeah, thank. 417 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 2: You, thank you real that that's a good question. Can 418 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 2: you do that on your own or you need someone 419 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 2: to assist you, or you're trained for that. 420 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 4: So our first priority is getting floatation to the casualty. 421 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 4: As soon as they are floatation, we have a lot 422 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 4: more time to work with, so we can then get 423 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 4: a second person to come help swim them out. That 424 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 4: also gives nsright time to arrive with a boat if 425 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 4: it's required and the casualty is well too heavy for 426 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 4: our guys to pull out. But getting that floatation the immediate, 427 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 4: well as quick as possible, is our priority. So once 428 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 4: that's there, then our chance of a rescue almost goes up. 429 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 2: So how do you do that? What does it mean 430 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 2: when you see? 431 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 4: So that's swimming to the casualty with a torpedo boy 432 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 4: or getting there with a Malibu board. 433 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 2: Oh I see, okay, So it just gives the. 434 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,360 Speaker 4: Patient something to hold on to and keep the head 435 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 4: of our water and regain their energy. 436 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 5: So okay, yeah, And I mean once you've reached the 437 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 5: pace and you've given him the torpedo boy or whatever 438 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 5: to hold onto, and he becomes relaxed, he starts to float, 439 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 5: so his body is naturally gonna be buoyant, so his 440 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 5: weight does not matter anymore because he's buoyant in the water, 441 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 5: so it'll be easier to drag him out as well. 442 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: Ten thirty Across the Desk with Clemens Manitella on seven 443 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: o two. 444 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 2: Twenty three minutes before eleven outlag on our across the 445 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 2: Desk feature this morning. We're having such a fascinating conversation, 446 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 2: so insightful, hey, about the work of lifeguards. I'm hosting 447 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 2: lifeguards this morning. We've heard from Michael and Abija in 448 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,199 Speaker 2: the last half hour, and I'm gonna be joined now 449 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 2: by Rian Basson who's joining the conversation, who is original 450 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 2: operations manager with the ns r I, And I'm gonna 451 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 2: continue taking your calls as well. And what's ups on 452 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 2: seven two, seven oh two and seven oh two if 453 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 2: you want to join the conversation. Oh maybe you've got 454 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 2: a specific question for the lifeguards about the work they do. 455 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 2: Ray and thank you for also joining us, Chad, Good morning, 456 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 2: Good morning to you. 457 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 5: Thank you. 458 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 2: So you play also an integral part to the nsardi's 459 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 2: lifeguarding success. What do you actually do and how did 460 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 2: you get to be in the position. 461 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 9: So I'm part of the INNUSTRAI training team. So I 462 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,199 Speaker 9: actually started off as a volunteer back in twenty eighteen, 463 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 9: and then I sort of worked my way through up 464 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 9: and got myself part of the full full time team 465 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 9: and then sort. 466 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,360 Speaker 2: Of worked as sort of. 467 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 9: We took on life guarding as the industra I sort 468 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 9: of grew quite exponentially and they needed some additional support. 469 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 9: And then as the op steam, you know, we always 470 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 9: step in and this syst where we can. Yeah, and 471 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 9: that's how we developed. 472 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 2: So what what does it take to build the systems 473 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 2: and management structures you know that work in the life 474 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 2: or death environment. 475 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 9: I think it comes down to the training that we 476 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 9: give to our crews and our volunteers are they We're 477 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 9: very stringent on that and we try and train them 478 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 9: to the point to stay calm in any situation. So 479 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 9: you know, you hope for the best, but train for 480 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 9: the worst and try our best with that. And then yeah, 481 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 9: just by routine going through it muscle memory. The more 482 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 9: that they do it over and over, the easier it becomes. 483 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 2: There's someone who sent us a What's up earlier who 484 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 2: wanted to know how life guiding has changed over the 485 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 2: past few years in terms of training, technology and the 486 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 2: risks that you face. Have you guys picked up any changes. 487 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 2: Are you using more technology these days and is it assisting? 488 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, so we are using a lot of technology on wilderness. 489 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 4: We've been putting dyes in the water that illustrate where 490 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 4: the rip currents are, so it just helps us know 491 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 4: where the people will get pulled if they get caught 492 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 4: in them. There's we're looking into tech into drones just 493 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 4: for early identification, that sort of thing. And from the 494 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 4: medical side, it gets updated every five years. So what 495 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 4: you learned to CPR twenty years ago, it's completely different 496 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 4: to what we learned today. 497 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 2: The ratio is are different. Yeah. Yeah, what would you 498 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 2: say is the most challenging thing about the job and 499 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 2: what is the most rewarding thing about the job for yourself? 500 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 2: Let's start with you a beach. 501 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 5: So most challenging thing will normally be basically dealing with 502 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 5: the people on the beach. Yeah. So yeah, people can 503 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 5: make your day fun or they can really turn it 504 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 5: around for you, you know, and as much as possible, 505 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,239 Speaker 5: we just urged the public just to give us an 506 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 5: ear and just listen to us, you know. So yeah, 507 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 5: what has been rewarding is actually when you see the 508 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 5: change in the public. Okay, so seeing that they actually 509 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 5: adhere to what you're actually telling them, and that they 510 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 5: actually listen to what you say, and that they are 511 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 5: learning from what you are doing. So taking someone who 512 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 5: just arrived down to the beach, he doesn't even know 513 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 5: how a repcurrent looks, and you just spend a couple 514 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 5: of moments talking to the person, explaining to them, let 515 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 5: them maybe just go instand their feel what it's doing. 516 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 5: And then afterwards you might be busy on the beach 517 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 5: and someone else comes and this person that you just 518 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 5: had this conversation worth goes and talks to that person 519 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 5: and tell the person listen, you can't actually go in. Yeah, 520 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 5: the lifeguard just told me that, you know. So that 521 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:36,199 Speaker 5: transfer basically from person to person. For me, that is 522 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 5: rewarding seeing that basically what you've told one person has 523 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 5: not just impact to that person, but it's impacting more 524 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 5: other people as well. 525 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 2: Michael, for you, what's the most challenging and what's the 526 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 2: most rewarding thing. 527 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 4: The most rewarding thing is I find is working with 528 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 4: the lifeguard teams and seeing the development in the teams 529 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 4: Because a lot of people come to lifeguarding at a 530 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 4: very influential time in their lives. We get our first 531 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 4: lot of guys in at sixteen that start working on 532 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 4: the beaches, and it's just cool to see them develop 533 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 4: and to see them grow. I don't know, I really 534 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 4: enjoy it. That's one of my favorite parts of the job. 535 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 4: The most challenging thing is when things don't go right 536 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 4: that unfortunately does happen, and getting through the process and 537 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 4: dealing with it as a team is probably the most 538 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 4: challenging part. 539 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, How do you manage the emotional weight of 540 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 2: the job, especially up to like difficult incidents and andre 541 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 2: and other like do you facilitate for there are peo 542 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 2: perhaps or they have to come talk to you because 543 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 2: sometimes they deal with situations that are quite traumatic. No, 544 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 2: that's for sure. 545 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 9: I think we as the lifeguards, we support one another 546 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 9: and we built close relationships to each other and you 547 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 9: can always share and tell the story, so talking about 548 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 9: it helps a lot. But we also have the ability 549 00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 9: to bring in professionals if need be. But we there 550 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 9: from a managment point to be always there to support 551 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 9: and to be there for them if they need us. 552 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, someone sent a message saying, please can you ask Ryan? 553 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 2: There must the life guards always be like hot like 554 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 2: the Baywatch guys. 555 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 5: Is that like. 556 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 2: Criteria, No, no, no. 557 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 9: I think it's it's a passion that lives in each 558 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 9: and every one of us to protect our communities and 559 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 9: to save and to do good out there. So it's 560 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 9: a great stepping stone and you learn variable lessons from 561 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 9: a very young age. 562 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, okay, So I've got some more questions 563 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 2: coming through. One listener wants to know how long can 564 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 2: you be a live guard for? What's their career longevity? 565 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 2: How long can you do it for? There's not really 566 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 2: a limit. 567 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 4: You can keep on working as long as you stay 568 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 4: current and you pass a retail. 569 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 5: Yeah. 570 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 2: So okay, I. 571 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 4: Think the oldest guy we have on our beach is 572 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 4: thirty three, and we've got quite a young crew compared 573 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 4: to other areas in the country. 574 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 2: Okay, so what you're picking up is that it's more 575 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 2: younger people who are really interested who come into it 576 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 2: at a younger age. 577 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's for sure. 578 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 9: I think normally sort of part of part of your 579 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 9: school curriculum is you might have friends that go on 580 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 9: holiday at certain areas and they all start life guard training. 581 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 9: So from fifteen you can start with the training, and 582 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 9: then from sixteen. Once you've qualified, you can start working 583 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 9: as a professional lifeguard. But they, oh, the age varies, 584 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 9: every every area is different. And you know, as long as, 585 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 9: like Michael said, as long as you stay current and 586 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 9: your possib retest yearly. 587 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, you can work. Then you're good to go. Someone 588 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 2: else also wanted to know about the training. So for 589 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 2: people listening to us who may be interested in, oh, 590 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 2: this is something I really want to get into. Are 591 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 2: there specific schools or is it the this institution and 592 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 2: as are I that sort of gives you training? How 593 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 2: does it work? 594 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 9: Yeah, so you can other you can join your local 595 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 9: life guarding club and and sort of start off there. 596 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 9: You can come directly to us. It's there's various ways 597 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 9: of coming into the into the life coding channels. But yeah, 598 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 9: the training recovers. There's a certain physical component to it, 599 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:14,959 Speaker 9: so you have to be able to fit and healthy 600 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 9: and and sort of meet certain criteria there. But we 601 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 9: also train you variously and with the first aid, how 602 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 9: did your CPR? 603 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 2: How to put. 604 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 9: Someone on a spinal board, stabilize someone until more qualified 605 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 9: individual can arrive on scene, depending on what the emergency 606 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 9: might be. 607 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, how long does training take? 608 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 5: For you guys, So training can take I think the 609 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 5: least amount of time will probably be like twenty six 610 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 5: days normally. And that's normally ours, he wrote to euro 611 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 5: programs that run and in order to qualify, you do 612 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 5: not need any can I say, like a certific to 613 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 5: anything of that sort. You can come and we put 614 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 5: you through everything. Basically, just need to be fit and healthy, 615 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 5: that's it. 616 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. And for the people who volunteer, so how long 617 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 2: do they normally volunteer for before then you bring them 618 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 2: into the system as like employees now, it depends. 619 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 9: If you're part of our volunteers, you know, they normally 620 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 9: stay as a training crew MEM for about a year 621 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 9: or so before they qualify into full on crew and 622 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 9: then volunteer at our various stations around the country for lifeguards. 623 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 9: As soon as you're qualified and the contractual period is 624 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 9: over the holiday season or easter periods, then you can 625 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 9: start working directly and a lot of the time so 626 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 9: we can train you to a very high standard. But 627 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 9: on the job you'll learn certain skills and experience from 628 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 9: day to day. 629 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. And then a question also is around teamwork. How 630 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 2: important is teamwork and what does it look like in 631 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 2: the nsr I life guarding environment. I think you did 632 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 2: talk a little bit about it earlier, Michael, But how 633 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 2: critical is teamwork? How does it helpen n Then the 634 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 2: work teamwork is critical. 635 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 4: It's essential that the team can work together and fulfill 636 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 4: all of the duties that we need to be done. 637 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 4: Especially during a rescue. There's a lot more components than 638 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 4: just the swimmer. You have the guy in tower that's 639 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 4: communicating to the swimmer, directing him where to go. You 640 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 4: have the CPR team that's setting up on the beach 641 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 4: for as soon as the casualty gets out if it 642 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 4: needs to be, you have medics that are ready, you 643 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 4: have secondary swimmers that are ready to go in or 644 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 4: they're ready in the water. You need to have communication 645 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 4: to the NSRI stations or to the ambulances if it 646 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 4: needs be. So for the whole system to work well, 647 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 4: it needs to be in a team. 648 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 2: It's a whole value change. So in one specific area 649 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 2: then a B how many people would you say you 650 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 2: have then in the team. 651 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,879 Speaker 5: So normally per beach we have four life guards per 652 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 5: beach normally and different responsibilities. Yeah, different responsibility So I 653 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,399 Speaker 5: mean if one person does one thing, the whole day 654 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 5: is going to be very tired from doing it and 655 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 5: it might get bit bored. But we have rotations within 656 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,399 Speaker 5: the duty. So you might have a guy down at 657 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 5: the flags, you might have gout on a tower, and 658 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 5: bye have a guy that's patrolling the beach, so basically 659 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 5: walking up and down the beach, and then by a 660 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,439 Speaker 5: guy in the water as well on a melee bud 661 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,839 Speaker 5: that's patrolling the water. So each one might get an 662 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 5: hour of rotation and then once the hour is done 663 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 5: they moved to a different station, and so it just 664 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 5: keeps going through the day. 665 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 2: Some more questions coming through on the WhatsApp line. One 666 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 2: question says, good morning Clement, Please can you ask them 667 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 2: can you work abroad as a lifeguard with the training 668 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 2: that you've received in South Africa? There is the possibility, 669 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:48,439 Speaker 2: is there? 670 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 9: So I think we are. 671 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 2: The basics are the same right to a large. 672 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,720 Speaker 9: Extent, yes, and it's all to do with years of experience. 673 00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 9: But the opportunities are there. But it's a good stay 674 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 9: stone to get into. 675 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 2: It, okay. Another question from Zeno on the wind uplanine says, hi, clemen, 676 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,320 Speaker 2: pleasing ask the lifeguards there if it is indeed true? 677 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 2: That when caught in a rip current, one shouldn't try 678 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 2: to swim parallel to the beach. 679 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,280 Speaker 4: Is that so swimming parallel to the beach can actually 680 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,360 Speaker 4: help you get out of a rip current. So the 681 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 4: rip current normally takes you out, and if you try 682 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 4: fight it by swimming directly back to shore, you're using 683 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 4: a lot of energy and you're going against the flow 684 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,319 Speaker 4: of the current. So what you meant to do is 685 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,360 Speaker 4: swim parallel and you end up swimming diagonally to a 686 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 4: sand bank, and then once you hit the sandbank, waves 687 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 4: break on a sandbank and then it pushes you back 688 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:43,720 Speaker 4: to the shore. 689 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 2: Okay, thank you so much for clarifying that. Okay, it's 690 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 2: ten minutes now before eleven o'clock. When we come back, 691 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,239 Speaker 2: we'll wrap up with some more questions and inputs that 692 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 2: are coming through on the What's. 693 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 1: Up lane Across the Desk with clements Manella. 694 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 2: Ever know, it's eight minutes before eleven old luck, we're 695 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,359 Speaker 2: just about to wrap up our conversation with the lifeguards 696 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:13,239 Speaker 2: that we're hosting on our Across the Desk feature this morning. Rihan, 697 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,720 Speaker 2: we got a message earlier, a call from a listener 698 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 2: who didn't come on, but he told us about the 699 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 2: NSI I book titled Into a Raging Sea, and he 700 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:29,280 Speaker 2: was asking how it can be helpful in understanding sea rescues. 701 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 2: Can you maybe start by explaining what the book is 702 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 2: about and how helpful is it. 703 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 9: So a few years ago we put a call out 704 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,320 Speaker 9: to a number of to all our stations saying that 705 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 9: any memorable rescues could we sort of get the story 706 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 9: of about it, and we published it into a book. 707 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 9: So it's it's a book with all memorable rescues from 708 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 9: over the years. And yeah, reading through that you actually 709 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 9: get the full story from how the call started, what 710 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 9: the what the crews went and did to achieve it, 711 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 9: and whether it was a positive or negative outcomes a story. 712 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 2: Well, you have other books that detail like other. 713 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,360 Speaker 9: So I think the plan is probably to to do 714 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,879 Speaker 9: another volume audition to come out. So yeah, I think 715 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,319 Speaker 9: maybe in the next year or two your few there 716 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 9: might be another one coming out. 717 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 2: Okay, And then someone else also asked for your details. 718 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 2: The NSI are our I details like if they want 719 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 2: to maybe join and they want to volunteer, or how 720 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,800 Speaker 2: do they get a hold of you guys. So I 721 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,720 Speaker 2: think the eiest is on our website. 722 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,840 Speaker 9: So on a website, we've got a how to volunteer 723 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 9: taber you can go click on and yeah, you can 724 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 9: go select the closest station to you and that will 725 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,799 Speaker 9: go through to the station's email and they'll get back 726 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 9: to you. 727 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 5: As soon as they can. 728 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:50,920 Speaker 2: What's bread across? 729 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 6: Are you? 730 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 2: All the country? 731 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 9: All around the country, So all the way from our 732 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 9: further station up the sort of the western capers Port, 733 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 9: Nolithe all the way right on so African Coast, all 734 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 9: the way up to Saint Lucia. 735 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 2: Okay, So you go to the to the website, the 736 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 2: NSRI website, and then there's a tap there that just 737 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 2: will guide you all right, here's a what's up voice 738 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 2: note that's also come true. 739 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,239 Speaker 10: I was once caught in a cart town in Gordon's Bay, 740 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,879 Speaker 10: me and a friend of mine, and what we tried 741 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 10: to do was from straight to the beach, but the 742 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,360 Speaker 10: life guard pointed us to the other direction before he 743 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 10: came in, and we just went with the flow of 744 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 10: the water. We ended up like five hundred and six 745 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:45,279 Speaker 10: hundred meters away from where we started, but we just 746 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 10: went with the flow, and that kind of saved us 747 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 10: because they were there all the time that you could 748 00:39:53,480 --> 00:40:00,399 Speaker 10: see we were strong swimmers. And that's basically like say, 749 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,759 Speaker 10: what the current does looks very it's very deceiving. It 750 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 10: looks nice, it looks calm. But yeah, that's the best 751 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 10: thing I can advise anybody. If you're getting pulled, just 752 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 10: go where the water is going to take you. Eventually 753 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:18,880 Speaker 10: you will get out. Thank you so much for the 754 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:19,480 Speaker 10: voice note. 755 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 2: I want you to please repeat again because I see 756 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 2: on Twitter someone says please, can you get them to 757 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,400 Speaker 2: repeat what the public needs to know to stay safe 758 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 2: on our beaches once again. I know he touched on 759 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,759 Speaker 2: this in the beginning, but what is it important for 760 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,400 Speaker 2: the public to know when they come to the beaches 761 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 2: so that they can be safe and they make you 762 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:41,840 Speaker 2: work much easier. 763 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,800 Speaker 5: So basically the main thing will be if we're on 764 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 5: the beach at that time, swim between the flags. When 765 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 5: you come down to the beach, proceed to where the 766 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 5: lifeguards have placed the flags on the beach and swim 767 00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 5: between them. If no lifeguards are on the beach or 768 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,719 Speaker 5: there's no lifeguards on duty, swim in the area where 769 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,719 Speaker 5: there's a sand bank where you see the waves are 770 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,760 Speaker 5: rolling and there's nice white water pushing towards the beach. Okay. 771 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,839 Speaker 5: Don't swim in the area where the water might look 772 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,920 Speaker 5: calm and dark or discolored, because that will normally be 773 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,320 Speaker 5: your rip current pulling out. Okay. If you're not a 774 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 5: good swimmer, do not swim deep. Stay waist deep in 775 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 5: the water. Okay. So never go to the point where 776 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,920 Speaker 5: your feet can get taken out from underneath you. Okay. 777 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,479 Speaker 5: If you're a good swimmer, yes, you may proceed further 778 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 5: than that. Anything else. 779 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,879 Speaker 4: Guards, Just talk to the lifeguards. I'm sure that most 780 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,640 Speaker 4: of them are happy to have a conversation. And if 781 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,839 Speaker 4: there's any questions, they know their Pacific beach a lot 782 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:47,839 Speaker 4: better than anyone else. 783 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,440 Speaker 2: So talk to them and they'll help you. Yeah. And 784 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,640 Speaker 2: if you can't sim don't drink and then get into 785 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,319 Speaker 2: the water as you said earlier, Michael, Okay, a few 786 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 2: more questions before we wrap up. One on the WhatsApp 787 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,759 Speaker 2: lines is slimming. What do we do when we are 788 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 2: in the water and we get crems, particularly older people. 789 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,560 Speaker 2: Suppose that's a question from an older person who wants 790 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,640 Speaker 2: to know what did they do if they get cremps 791 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:12,120 Speaker 2: in the water? 792 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 4: Just way for help and the lifeguard should come to. 793 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,760 Speaker 4: It's the same as if you're in a rip current. 794 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,240 Speaker 4: If you can't swim back, just float, conserve your energy, 795 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:25,920 Speaker 4: and the rip current will eventually put you onto a 796 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 4: sandbank because as the rip current pulls out, it also 797 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,560 Speaker 4: pulls sand out and it builds the sandbank at the back, 798 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,080 Speaker 4: which then has waves breaking on it that you can 799 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:35,160 Speaker 4: then use to swim back. 800 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,279 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, And then Ry and someone else also 801 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,920 Speaker 2: asked about like the dangers on the job, like if 802 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,200 Speaker 2: maybe there are lifeguards that sort of get injured on 803 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 2: the job, how do you work around that. 804 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,520 Speaker 9: Yes, so I think we support them, that we treat 805 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,680 Speaker 9: them like any other member of the public should they 806 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,720 Speaker 9: get injured on the job. So, but we take pride 807 00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:02,280 Speaker 9: and caring for them. So yeah, we always we always 808 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,759 Speaker 9: in contact with another We're fortunate you have cylophones on 809 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,440 Speaker 9: every one of our beaches that we ought, so we've 810 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,080 Speaker 9: got a direct line of communication with our squad leaders 811 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:15,239 Speaker 9: that are actively doing duties, and should they have any 812 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,719 Speaker 9: problems or get injured on the job, they've got a 813 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,399 Speaker 9: direct line to us to send help. 814 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:25,560 Speaker 2: And just lastly, then are there any misconceptions that you 815 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,759 Speaker 2: find the public or some public members have about the 816 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:34,160 Speaker 2: work you do as lifeguard or just live guards in general. 817 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:39,000 Speaker 2: Any misconceptions you want to correct that exists out there. 818 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,279 Speaker 4: There is quite a lot of misconceptions. One of the 819 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,120 Speaker 4: main ones is parents seem to think that we have 820 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,040 Speaker 4: responsibility over their kids, which we do have to a 821 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,920 Speaker 4: certain extent, but it's so much safer if we work 822 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,160 Speaker 4: together and we both have we both look after the kids. 823 00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,000 Speaker 4: There's a lot of bags, and to look after each 824 00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,480 Speaker 4: individual kid and give them the same amount of effort 825 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,520 Speaker 4: as an individual parent can for their kid is just lesser. 826 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,120 Speaker 4: Of course we're going to watch, of course we're going 827 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,759 Speaker 4: to keep them safe. But if we can work together 828 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,640 Speaker 4: on this, we can improve outcomes. 829 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's quite an important one because some parents just 830 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,960 Speaker 2: look the other way and think they are lifeguards here 831 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,279 Speaker 2: they'll take care of the of the child, but it's 832 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,360 Speaker 2: also your responsibility. Well, guys, thank you so much for 833 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,719 Speaker 2: coming through. This has been so insightful learning more about 834 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,719 Speaker 2: the work you do as lifeguards. Michael Pierce, abija Apolis, 835 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,919 Speaker 2: Rann Basson, I really appreciate you coming to studio today. 836 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,360 Speaker 2: Thank you and thank you for all of your questions 837 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,759 Speaker 2: as well. Through the what's Up line and for calling us. 838 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,160 Speaker 2: Coming up next is our relationship and Sex feature just 839 00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,440 Speaker 2: after the news at eleven o'clock