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Speaker 1: Seven o two for weekend Breakfast and parenting with Nicky Bush.

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Speaker 2: It's thirteen minutes after eight o'clock. Welcome back to seven

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Speaker 2: o two weekend breakfast. Time for us to talk parenting

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Speaker 2: and one of the big topics there's always something coming

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Speaker 2: out of this particular space is artificial intelligence. Last week

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Speaker 2: we heard from China Ali Baba has developed an AI

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Speaker 2: we're now going to have physical AI. We've seen companies

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Speaker 2: like Microsoft, like Meta make huge investments in generative AI,

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Speaker 2: and it is expected that artificial intelligence will touch all

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Speaker 2: countries and all industries, which if you're a parent with

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Speaker 2: a young person in school, you're probably thinking, so, what

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Speaker 2: does the future of work look like for my kids?

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Speaker 2: How do my kids stay ahead? Because the space is

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Speaker 2: also moving so quickly, So that's what we're looking at

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Speaker 2: this morning. What could your child be studying in this

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Speaker 2: fast changing AI world, especially as we are still yet

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Speaker 2: to see the big disruptions of artificial intelligence. Perhaps you've

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Speaker 2: been thinking about this as well. We'd love to hear

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Speaker 2: your thoughts on double one, eight three or seven oh two.

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Speaker 2: and you are Tapps on No. Seven two, seven oh

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Speaker 2: two one seven oh two. Joining us in studio is

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Speaker 2: our residence, Human Potential and printing expert Nikki Bosh Nikki.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Good morning googs, and to all our listeners,

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Speaker 3: and how are we this morning? We are so well

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Speaker 3: and very excited because after the sum off to speak

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Speaker 3: this morning, right, which is really what does the future

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Speaker 3: look like and how do we equip our children for

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Speaker 3: that future that is incredibly fast changing. And you already

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Speaker 3: mentioned that around the world AI is a disruptor, and

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Speaker 3: in fact, this past week we started to see that

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Speaker 3: agentic AI is threatening people in tech jobs. So about

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Speaker 3: sort of ten fifteen years ago, we were saying your

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Speaker 3: children should study programming and coding because that's going to

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Speaker 3: get them a job in the future. And that thought

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Speaker 3: coding and the programming. So people who are employed in

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Speaker 2: And it's interesting that that's happening because I was reading

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Speaker 2: the World Economic Forum. I'm glad you also haven't twisted

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Speaker 2: moment in the morning and the Jobs of the Future report.

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Speaker 2: They were saying that broadening digital access is expected to

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Speaker 2: be the most transformative both across technology related trends and

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Speaker 2: overall sixty percent of employers expecting it to transform their business,

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Speaker 2: particularly AI and process in eighty six percent is what's expected,

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Speaker 2: that's what it's going to account for. And so we

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Speaker 2: haven't even begun to see what it would look like.

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Speaker 2: So parents are trying to forecast, kind of plan and

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Speaker 2: capacitate their kids for a thing we're not even sure

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Speaker 1: Will look like exactly.

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Speaker 3: But you know this has always been the case, So

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Speaker 3: let calm parents down for a moment. We actually have

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Speaker 3: never really been able to predict the future accurately, and

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Speaker 1: Sure what the jobs will look like.

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Speaker 3: But we need to give our children the best possible

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Speaker 3: chance of becoming successful and happy in a world that

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Speaker 3: we can't imagine by giving them the right foundations. So

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Speaker 3: at the get go, we can honestly say, there isn't

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Speaker 3: one specific degree or qualification you can go and get

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Speaker 3: one qualification is not going to prepare you for life.

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Speaker 3: So we need to be on a continuous learning journey.

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Speaker 3: And when I say we, I'm actually using the Royal

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Speaker 3: own this learning journey. We need to constantly be enhancing

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Speaker 3: what we can do with micro certifications. And if you

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Speaker 3: the opportunity to upskill, to learn about AI, to improve

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Speaker 3: That we're giving to parents today is that we need

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Speaker 1: So, you know, we're talking about a.

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Speaker 3: solutions and cures for diseases that our generation hasn't yet

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Speaker 1: And saving for retirement and saving for retirement.

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Speaker 3: So they're a classic example of the kind of company

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Speaker 1: So we really.

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Speaker 3: Want people who can think about people skills, how people behave,

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Speaker 3: going to be important. I've said for many, many years

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Speaker 1: It's that interesting combination.

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Speaker 3: And then of course, what micro certifications are you doing

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Speaker 2: Right because they think this is the basket or the

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Speaker 2: number of skills knowledge that you bring. So you're not

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Speaker 2: just bringing one thing. You're able to work across departments.

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Speaker 3: Yes, which makes you flexible, Yes, and adaptable because today

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Speaker 2: And so that I guess even challenges for parents the

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Speaker 1: Because now we can have virtual doctors. Now we can

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Speaker 3: Now we can have virtual surgery where the surgeon doesn't

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Speaker 3: if you think about surgery today, if you've got a

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Speaker 3: So there's some very interesting combinations here. Freelance coding and

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Speaker 3: Gaming ADVITCE that is not to teach you how to

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Speaker 3: And learnerships are great because of course you get paid

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Speaker 3: Because we're going to need children who need multiple streams

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Speaker 3: And that'll be a combination of things that you study

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Speaker 3: As early as possible, And so if you're going to

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Speaker 3: on to your horses and your hats, because the change

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be a rind Nikki always a

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Speaker 2: great pleasure. Chadden to you, Thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me googs.

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Speaker 3: And of course there's lots of information in the book

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Speaker 3: Growing Graham Codrington and I wrote called future Proof Your

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Speaker 3: Child for the twenty twenties and beyond.

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Speaker 2: That's our resident human potential and parenting experts Nikki Bush,

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