1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: Cape Talk A Worldview from London with Adam Gilchrist eighteen 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: minutes to eight o'clock and good morning Adam Gilchrist. Hope 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: you're well. 4 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 2: Good morning, Let's do very well. Yeah, how are. 5 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: You very good? You saw Bruce send you some photographs. 6 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 1: I'm in a I'm in a aar hangar year. 7 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 2: I haven't had a chance to look. Are you alone 8 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 2: in a hanger because that's a bit suspicious. 9 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: Oh, the Bruce is picking up the camera. You're showing 10 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,479 Speaker 1: you the helicopters, showing you the fixed wing. Can you 11 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: see that now? Oh? 12 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 2: Got it? I can see it now? Yes, absolutely, yeah. 13 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: Hey, we're broadcasting from the air Mercy Services Hangar. They 14 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: do fantastic work here in Cape Town and the West 15 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: and Cape. They've been in existence of the past sixty 16 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: years and we thought we'd do a list in your 17 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: lounge from here. We saw a plane takeoff heading on 18 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: a mission, so it's been plenty of excitement here. 19 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 2: It does rather look like you've broken in, though, because 20 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 2: it's like a team of about four of you there, 21 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 2: and it does look like you've gone in. Have you 22 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 2: got permission? Have you got a pass? I'm just wondering 23 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: otherwise you'll be out of there in twenty minutes. 24 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone else is hiding, so you very right. I 25 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: know Bruce is sitting on his fingers because he wants 26 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 1: to get in to the stropia right next to us, 27 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: because he didn't Tinker and Tonker there. But anyway, we'll 28 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 1: see if we're going to they'll allow him after nine o'clock. 29 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: But let's start here, allies and enemies. President Trump criticizes 30 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: NATO friends big time. 31 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 2: Yes, he's had another go. He is also suggesting that 32 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 2: the war in Iran will be finished with in two 33 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 2: to three weeks. It will be mission accomplished. The mission accomplished, well, 34 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 2: it seems to be. The mission has changed quite a lot. 35 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 2: It seems to be now just about stopping Iran having 36 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 2: nuclear weapons and putting them back, as he put it, 37 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: to the stone Age, which I'm sure will please the Iranians, 38 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 2: who he says are very keen to do a deal. 39 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 2: He also then talked about how the lack of support 40 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 2: for the war from the k France and others. He 41 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 2: specifically centered on the UK and France. Go get your 42 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 2: own oil, he suggested, because of the straight up ull 43 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 2: mouths being closed Number one by from the US. We 44 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 2: have plenty number two build up some courage, go to 45 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 2: the Strait and just take it like that's how it 46 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 2: would work. He says, You'll have to start learning how 47 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 2: to fight for yourself. The USA won't be there to 48 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 2: help you anymore, referencing again specifically the UK and France, 49 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:33,399 Speaker 2: but other allies and NATA generally anyone mentioning joint, yes, 50 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: joint operations in the First World War, the Second World 51 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 2: War career, the Gulf War, Iraq, Afghanistan, though apparently not 52 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 2: memories are short. As Donald Trump put it, Iran has 53 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 2: been essentially decimated. The hard part is done. Go get 54 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,519 Speaker 2: your own oil. At the same time that he was 55 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 2: saying this, I mean, almost to the minute, I think 56 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 2: it was, it was confirmed that King Charles will make 57 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 2: a state visit to the United States and will apparently 58 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 2: be warmly welcomed by President Trump, who seems very excited 59 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 2: at the idea of getting a visit. Is this a 60 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 2: reward for somebody who's openly belittling the UK government, British Forces, 61 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 2: peace accords, alliances. I don't know. I thought Royal visits 62 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 2: were meant to be a bit more about look what 63 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 2: friends we are not. Please don't be too mean to us. 64 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: All the big popular political podcast and listens to Alistair Campbell's, 65 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,679 Speaker 1: the Rory Sutherland's, the Anthony Scaramucci's of This World, all 66 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: saying I've been listening to the last two weeks. The 67 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: biggest attacks verbal attacks from Donald Trump hasn't necessarily has 68 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: been actually quite cordial in terms of the Iranian regime. 69 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: The coarsest criticism has come to his allies, and these 70 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: alests have been wondering what does their tone represent? 71 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, and likewise, he's has nothing but good to say 72 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 2: for Vladimir Putin and for Russia, and rounded on Volodimir 73 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 2: Zelenski several times, and particularly remember the White House incident, 74 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 2: and again allies who are not doing their bit in Ukraine, 75 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 2: and this whole stance about Europe. You need to learn 76 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 2: to protect yourself. He has a point about some European 77 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 2: nations having underspent on defense. And frankly, when you've got 78 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 2: a big, angry next door neighbor like Russia, let a 79 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 2: leone anyone else in the world. Yeah, you have to 80 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 2: be able to defend yourselves. But that point has been 81 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 2: long made and is a bit tiresome. And do you know, 82 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 2: we've discussed this before. Maybe we're all learning how to 83 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 2: get along without America. It will take some doing, but 84 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 2: maybe we'll get there. 85 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 1: And then let's go to Germany. In broad daylight in 86 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: Hamburg a wolf attack. 87 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 2: Yes, a woman bitten by a wolf, not in a 88 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 2: dark forest on the way to grandmother's house, but in 89 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 2: a major shopping street in Hamburg city center. She spotted 90 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 2: the wolf in the uber busy gross Bergstrasse, near an 91 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 2: inner city Ikea store, and it appears she tried to 92 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 2: lead the animal away. Listen, I won't go near a hedgehog. 93 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 2: I mean the idea of a wolf in a high 94 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 2: street and then try to talk kindly to it. And 95 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 2: the wolf bit her in the face and she was 96 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 2: taken to hospital but has since been discharged. So it 97 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 2: does not appear that she has horrendous injuries, but nonetheless 98 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 2: a wolf bitele on the face is a worry. Germany 99 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 2: reintroduced wild wolves about thirty odd years ago, was after 100 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 2: the fall of the Berlin Wall. There are now nearly 101 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 2: two hundred wolf packs, mainly of course, in forested remoter 102 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 2: parts of Germany. But it's interesting how many countries have 103 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 2: rewolfed when wolf populations have died out because essentially they 104 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 2: don't live very amiably alongside man. So those countries that 105 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 2: have got wolves back include France, Belgium, She's very small 106 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 2: for this, the Netherlands. You think there weren't enough Heidi holds, 107 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 2: But okay, Denmark, Norway, Mexico and a number of US 108 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 2: states have all brought back wolves. But also many have 109 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 2: re established wolf hunting, Germany included. So I don't know 110 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 2: if there's a sort of a year and a yang 111 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 2: to that. Yeah, let's bring back the wolf and then 112 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 2: let's start hunting them. It's a weird thing. 113 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: Well, I approach a wolf not by the hair of 114 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,799 Speaker 1: my chini chenchin. And then finally, I'm very excited about 115 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: this because South Africa has a very very small but 116 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 1: very very important role when it comes to NASA's mission 117 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: to Mars Artemis too could in fact blast off today. 118 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 2: What's the South African party? Is it supplying a delicious 119 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 2: western cape Chardon just wondering. 120 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: No, it's plain the role when it comes to deep 121 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: space communication and tracking services. So in a small town, yeah, 122 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,239 Speaker 1: called Mikey's Fontein, they have a deep space station there 123 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: and the South Africa National Space Agency is hosting that 124 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: and that will provide some of the communications infrastruct When 125 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: it comes to Artemis two. South Africa does have a 126 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: history when it comes to to to to NASA Corporation. 127 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: In fact, the Uppington Airport has believed to be the 128 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: one of the widest landing strips and so that would 129 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: have been a back up landing strip for one of 130 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: the Shuttle missions. So South Africa has been quite intimately 131 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: involved tracking station. 132 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 2: We'll be involved here as well. So yeah, Artemist two 133 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 2: due to launch later today. We're told the official status 134 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 2: is we are eighty percent go, which I guess is 135 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 2: kind of other way of saying yeah, should be all right, 136 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 2: unless the weather's a bit rubbish. The Artemis one mission 137 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 2: didn't have any astronauts on board, but did go around 138 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 2: the Moon three and a half years ago. Artemis two 139 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: will go around the Moon with people. Artemis three will 140 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 2: land astronauts on the Moon, and then ultimately we think 141 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 2: they'll be an Artemus four, five or six, which will 142 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 2: then hopefully go off to Mars. This is the first 143 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 2: time that NASA's gone anywhere near the Moon, frankly since 144 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 2: Apollo's seventeen in nineteen seventy two, so fifty four years 145 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 2: in counting. It does seem to be reigniting. Interesting, a 146 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 2: lot of people going, oh, a little bit space, a 147 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 2: little bit moon, so small steps and giant leaps are involved. 148 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: We look forward to it, Adam, I look forward to 149 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: chatting you tomorrow.