Speaker 1: Wake up with a bang hey worme Honnel and the club.
Speaker 2: On nine four seven.
Speaker 1: This must have been so exhausting for the for the
Speaker 1: judge of the magistrate here, because the landlord is sewing
Speaker 1: for eight hundred and ninety six thousand rands worth of
Speaker 1: rent areas the tenant is suing for nine hundred thousands,
Speaker 1: like I fix your house for nine one thousand, you
Speaker 1: owe me just pointing because you you're wrong, you're wrong,
Speaker 1: take us outside. Either way, this tenant did some renovations
Speaker 1: to a house that didn't belong to him. The title
Speaker 1: did wasn't in his name, it wasn't the landlord's name,
Speaker 1: did renovations to the sound of nine hundred thousand. But
Speaker 1: because they had a gentleman's agreements that when you do
Speaker 1: want to sell, are you going to sell to me?
Speaker 1: And we're renting to buy. Also, by the way, can
Speaker 1: somebody jump on the line, oh one one eighty eight
Speaker 1: thirty eight nine per seven, explain to me what rin
Speaker 1: dubai is, because everyone was like you, I'm ranging, Toby,
Speaker 1: what does it mean?
Speaker 3: But agreed, it's an agreement between you and But that's
Speaker 3: more formal. That's a formal thing. So if you agree
Speaker 3: with your landlord that you're going to purchase this house.
Speaker 3: Then you agree on a purchase price.
Speaker 1: So when I start rinting.
Speaker 3: No no, no, but let's say before you even usually people
Speaker 3: would rent for like a year, Like in my situations,
Speaker 3: it's very similar. Rent for a year and then you
Speaker 3: speak to the land you say, I really want to
Speaker 3: buy this place if you were willing to sell, and
Speaker 3: then you do an evaluation and then the landlord says, cool,
Speaker 3: we agree on a price as a two bar right,
Speaker 3: and then so you keep on renting and then at
Speaker 3: the end of let's say for a year, that money
Speaker 3: gets subtracted. So you could say, you could say, I'm
Speaker 3: renting to buy, so I'm going to spend I'm going
Speaker 3: to pay my full rent and then that'll come off
Speaker 3: the purchase price for example, because it's.
Speaker 1: Like you lay buying your house and then at least
Speaker 1: you get to experience.
Speaker 3: It and then you could But the point is you
Speaker 3: could get to the end of that and go, no,
Speaker 3: I don't want to buy anymore, or.
Speaker 1: He could say I want to sell anymore. So the
Speaker 1: risk is the risk. But so when that happens, then
Speaker 1: do we put that on paper.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's definitely on paper.
Speaker 4: Not everyone is like Frank, you own tricks anything that
Speaker 4: does not belong to you. Period. I have a tenant
Speaker 4: that just tells me they're gonna change my light bulbs.
Speaker 4: They're gonna change my light for things, and they think
Speaker 4: is their prerogative.
Speaker 1: Our tenant even send us an email if he wants
Speaker 1: to plant a tree a tree. So, yeah, you don't
Speaker 1: do renovations at my house?
Speaker 2: Are you planting like a tree on someone else's property?
Speaker 1: Because the tree is for everyone the world in beginner,
Speaker 1: not just your house. I don't say. I don't know
Speaker 1: anyone would be opposed to a tree. What kind of
Speaker 1: dark person are you?
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't like trees.
Speaker 3: What do you mean you're gonna plant a tree in
Speaker 3: the middle of my grass and shade?
Speaker 2: And what kind of trees?
Speaker 1: Guys? Don't you know? That's saying The best time to
Speaker 1: plant a tree was twenty years ago. The second best
Speaker 1: time is today.
Speaker 3: Okay, all the day, Minister of forest tree.
Speaker 1: Yes, good morning, Welcome to an alien the club.
Speaker 5: Money an alien, the club.
Speaker 1: How you go well? Great with great? So you move
Speaker 1: into house's house?
Speaker 5: Yes it is?
Speaker 1: Oh, oh you're currently in the house present we.
Speaker 5: Are currently in the house.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 5: So we moved in the house and what was wrong
Speaker 5: with it, Well, it's got a league in the main bedroom,
Speaker 5: but it's a very annoying league. It's not just a
Speaker 5: league in the little corner. It stands across the whole bedroom.
Speaker 5: So there's a whole section in the bedroom that we
Speaker 5: can't use. And we knew about it when we moved in,
Speaker 5: and our agreement was that they would fix it before.
Speaker 4: We moved in.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 5: Then we waited an additional months and a half before
Speaker 5: we moved in. A week before we moved in, we
Speaker 5: met the landlord and then they told us they would
Speaker 5: only be able to fix the league in March. I'll
Speaker 5: keep in mind we moved in in fab okay, and
Speaker 5: then we were like, okay, that's fine, Okay, comes March.
Speaker 5: Still nothing getting fixed in July, now I know. But
Speaker 5: the problem is apparently the leak is coming from our
Speaker 5: next door neighbor because their bright area balcony is above
Speaker 5: that bedroom. So there's been a constant back and forth
Speaker 5: between them and the landlord, and they are not the
Speaker 5: easiest people to deal with. They have fixed the leak
Speaker 5: twice in the past. It still was leaking, and.
Speaker 1: Then it's the developer then isn't is it not?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the department is. It doesn't solve this problem
Speaker 3: because she lives in the bedroom that's leak. That's the issue.
Speaker 1: You can't use the full bedroom. I hope you get
Speaker 1: a discount on your rents. We don't.
Speaker 5: We try to negotiate with the landlord because in our
Speaker 5: contracted states that we are allowed to reduct rent of
Speaker 5: a room or area that we're not satisfied with. But
Speaker 5: it needs to be negotiated with the landlord. And the
Speaker 5: landlord only for the first month said she would pay
Speaker 5: our utilities and what's electricity.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 5: We have not yet had any reintroduction. And we actually
Speaker 5: did work out how much the square meters of the
Speaker 5: room is and it comes down to like a thousand,
Speaker 5: two hundred rand.
Speaker 6: But she still is not budging on giving.
Speaker 1: You're a nicer person than me and my angel.
Speaker 2: I don't see the problem.
Speaker 6: My partner is serious.
Speaker 3: And and are you guys moving out, because that's what
Speaker 3: you have to do, just move.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we need to find a new place to move in.
Speaker 1: Well, then find a new place. Yes, here's the deal.
Speaker 1: Find a new place. And then don't pay rent for
Speaker 1: three months.
Speaker 3: Say they keep your deposit. Ye, there's a deposit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're in the three months. You can take it
Speaker 1: because deposit is usually one man.
Speaker 3: If you can't Nott pay rent.
Speaker 1: Yes you can. You can believe you know, you can
Speaker 1: give us some story. It's like getting a bond break. Yes,
Speaker 1: bring the lawyers and I can make the lawyers have
Speaker 1: the meeting in the leaking room.
Speaker 2: Listen to that criminal in the room their rainco.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also the thing about I'll bring lawyers. Babe,
Speaker 1: your lawyers will cost you money. Let's go.
Speaker 2: You sound like my mom. You can go to court, random.
Speaker 3: Mom, Please, I would say that you seek legal advice,
Speaker 3: proper legal advice.
Speaker 1: Oh money, dad, you have to pay. Listen to me.
Speaker 1: Listen to me, I'm telling you now. Listen to me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we love the place like it's such as such
Speaker 5: a beautiful place.
Speaker 2: She likes having a spring in her house.
Speaker 1: I really hope this works out. But okay, try every
Speaker 1: other method first, and then in the end just try mine.
Speaker 5: If we will, Well, thank you for that.
Speaker 1: Anytime you should hey hey, hey, yeah, it's a financial.
Speaker 3: Registered a registered service provider of any card.
Speaker 1: Fine, you fight to hate us.
Speaker 6: Stewart, Good morning, Annelle.
Speaker 1: No, Stuart, you are the drama. Yeah, you have a
Speaker 1: tenant who's refusing to pay for rents since COVID and
Speaker 1: one move out.
Speaker 6: One hundred percent. So I'm the same Stuart with the
Speaker 6: changing lanes, keep left, pass right, remember, yes, yes, and.
Speaker 1: You can get very passionate, yes.
Speaker 6: Very passionate.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So I've got a tenant who's been in the house
Speaker 6: for ten years. The first five or six years was amazing,
Speaker 6: paid on time, no problems, you know, very happy to stay.
Speaker 6: And then COVID happened and he said, no, he lost
Speaker 6: some business, so he's in a bit of a financial
Speaker 6: situation and he needs, you know, like a month or
Speaker 6: two to to sort himself out. So he would pay
Speaker 6: for two months, then not pay a month, then pay
Speaker 6: for three months, then not pay for two months. So
Speaker 6: it was very like sporadic up and down, Yeah, sporadic.
Speaker 6: And then eventually, like enough is enough, he owed us
Speaker 6: like eight or nine months rent. We said, you know,
Speaker 6: you got to get out. I mean, your your lease
Speaker 6: is now up, we're not renewing it. You've got to
Speaker 6: get out. I mean, you owe us eight or nine
Speaker 6: months rent. So he's like, no, no, no, he wants
Speaker 6: to pay. He wants to pay, he wants to, you know,
Speaker 6: make right what he's messed up, and like it just
Speaker 6: went on and on and on, like now we've eventually
Speaker 6: gone the legal route. So from January, we came back
Speaker 6: from our December holiday and said no, enough enough this
Speaker 6: scummus get out, went the legal route and he stopped paying.
Speaker 6: Now he's like not paying a cent since January. So
Speaker 6: we had have.
Speaker 1: You tried the other things that you know, such of
Speaker 1: the waters, such of the lights, change the logs.
Speaker 6: So now because we've gone the legal route, the lawyers
Speaker 6: are saying, you're not allowed to do that. Yeah, we wanted.
Speaker 6: We wanted to like restrict his access to the complex.
Speaker 6: The lawyer said, don't do that, don't do that. Then
Speaker 6: we said, okay, we're gonna switch off the water. We're
Speaker 6: gonna remove the front door. Someone advised me remove the
Speaker 6: front door. Yeah, and yeah, no you're not allowed to.
Speaker 6: The lawyer said, don't do anything, just let us handle it.
Speaker 1: Have you tried to move in with ten of your
Speaker 1: buddies because it's your property.
Speaker 6: So my wife went down for a funeral because we
Speaker 6: in Joe Burt and the house is in Cape Town.
Speaker 6: So my wife went down for a funeral and went
Speaker 6: to the house to go and see him. And apparently
Speaker 6: you're not allowed to do that either, but he was
Speaker 6: a major thing that she NOA came to the house
Speaker 6: and invasion of privacy and all of this stuff, saying
Speaker 6: your rent you're don't house.
Speaker 1: And this is the thing about people not being rented.
Speaker 1: They know they are right.
Speaker 3: And there must be nothing worse than someone in Cape
Speaker 3: Town not paying rents.
Speaker 1: Stewart, you could renovate the bathroom.
Speaker 5: You could take out the toy at the basin and
Speaker 5: just start with renovating the bathroom because it needs to.
Speaker 2: Be fixed right.
Speaker 1: And then you never get around to it.
Speaker 2: And then they pull in the middle of your living room.
Speaker 2: Well they have to live in it. They don't care.
Speaker 6: We We just worried that they're going to start doing
Speaker 6: you know, malicious things.
Speaker 1: I mean me, Stewart, you call me when you're ready.
Speaker 3: What sitting If the legal root doesn't work out for.
Speaker 1: Your legal route, doesn't the justice system, if the wheels.
Speaker 3: Not justice are turning to stoney Stewart, can I just
Speaker 3: say we had a conversation weeks ago about you you
Speaker 3: marrying a lawyer, and how and how it makes sense in.
Speaker 2: Terms of who you are.
Speaker 3: And I think everyone listening now realizes.
Speaker 1: Why are you saying it? Guys? Can I tell you
Speaker 1: my poor fiance. He spends half our life saying, baby,
Speaker 1: come down. Okay, we're not gonna do that. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the favorite line for me. Okay, love, We're not
Speaker 1: going to do it like that.
Speaker 2: Where orange Wow? When the time comes.
Speaker 1: We have horrible landlord.
Speaker 4: If something then it becomes an absolute nightmare having to
Speaker 4: get whatever's broken fix, in particular the gizo or the stuff.
Speaker 7: We moved to our current place in March. The bedrooms
Speaker 7: had carpet, and I have asthma. We decided to tie
Speaker 7: the house ourselves. Now the bathroom is troubling, and we're
Speaker 7: gonna renovate it ourselves because looking at the landlord, he
Speaker 7: doesn't care.
Speaker 3: You're not going to get your money back.
Speaker 2: We're wanting you.
Speaker 3: You're not going to get your money back.
Speaker 1: And to the first guy who says the landlord it's
Speaker 1: difficult to get hold always fine, you know, call them
Speaker 1: at twe in the morning.
Speaker 3: The problem is that often you don't know who the
Speaker 3: landlord is. Because you're using a rental company, but.
Speaker 1: Then the onus is on that company to make it
Speaker 1: as soon as as a rental company that makes you
Speaker 1: guys are getting paid to make things sweeter. I actually
Speaker 1: think it's much more difficult. If you're dealing with the
Speaker 1: landod one on one and they did their own rental,
Speaker 1: then you're in trouble. But once the rental company, I'll
Speaker 1: be at to officers every day, my friends outside the
Speaker 1: every day until you fix the issue. Pearl, Good morning,
Speaker 1: good morning, good morning. So Pearl, you live in Houghton, Yes,
Speaker 1: and you are currently in an ongoing dispute to their landlord.
Speaker 6: Long over du but yes, what happened?
Speaker 1: What's happening?
Speaker 8: Oh my word? So I had to find a place quick, quick, right.
Speaker 8: I wasn't spold for trade, so I found the place
Speaker 8: close to work. Move in right. The landlord tells me, Okay,
Speaker 8: there's some construction still going on. Hope your own minds
Speaker 8: are found right, So not in my apartment specifically, He
Speaker 8: just says for the rest of the building they still building.
Speaker 8: Not cool, cool, cool, it's fine. Only to find out
Speaker 8: that there's still some changes to be done inside my apartment.
Speaker 8: So the think had to be changed because it wasn't
Speaker 8: fitting the countertop that they put in. The countertop had
Speaker 8: to be changed, and they all had to put you know,
Speaker 8: the thing you hang the TV with.
Speaker 4: They had to be store it that as well.
Speaker 8: Right, it comes with the apartment standards.
Speaker 5: Okay, fine.
Speaker 8: I listened in so that I ask occasionally, hey, guys,
Speaker 8: know you can come in, And at some point they
Speaker 8: was trying, don't mind. At the end of the year,
Speaker 8: I'm like, ah, it's not except for me. Made me
Speaker 8: move out, right. They come in for an inspection, inspect
Speaker 8: the apartment and then he says, sorry, your wooden floors
Speaker 8: are scratched. Right, So I had wooden floors and it's
Speaker 8: like a small part of the wooden floor and he says, sorry,
Speaker 8: I have to keep keep three thousand rands off your
Speaker 8: deposit because I have to change this. And I'm like,
Speaker 8: excuse me, sir. You had people come in and out
Speaker 8: of my apartment carrying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the construction people are the ones that scrashed it.
Speaker 8: Not mean exactly exactly. So I went to the small
Speaker 8: claims court and they said no, no, no, that's not they
Speaker 8: they what this department it was, right, And I had
Speaker 8: to go to what's the seas in Randburgh and then
Speaker 8: I had to go to the housing tribe, you know
Speaker 8: to find it. Day, Yes, my complaint, they and yeah.
Speaker 5: Still I'm going.
Speaker 8: Still, I'm going, so I have to follow up with
Speaker 8: that case.
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm super impressed with you, Paul, that you
Speaker 3: actually because this is the problem as soon as you're
Speaker 3: running too that bureaucracy and red type. Now I've got
Speaker 3: to go there and then I've got to do that
Speaker 3: give up, people give up, And I'm impressed that you're
Speaker 3: sticking it out.
Speaker 8: And after that, he also wasn't paying because part of
Speaker 8: the what's the contract he said that our deposit would
Speaker 8: be secured in a like a fixed deposit and to
Speaker 8: care for our interests. All lie same people there. Yeah,
Speaker 8: and like believe there was a whatsap group of all
Speaker 8: the what's is the tennis there? So I look that
Speaker 8: everyone to say, hey, guys, make sure that you're getting
Speaker 8: your interest and people are like sloking out of that place.
Speaker 8: But I'm like, you're not going to play around with me,
Speaker 8: because the way he treated us was just yeah, so
Speaker 8: that's why I'm fighting for that three thousand and oh.
Speaker 1: Amanda Amanda good for you. Do not leave the fight.
Speaker 8: Yes, yes, yes had to Cherio.
Speaker 1: Thanks well for this call, Kushian, you're going to wrap
Speaker 1: it up for us. You're not writing. What's your drama
Speaker 1: right now? Is your landlord?
Speaker 4: Okay, so exactly rock Cliff, But it's not really a
Speaker 4: landlord issue. It's a house drama of it. We bought
Speaker 4: a property and the seller hydacked property, and three and
Speaker 4: a half years later we finally got our property back
Speaker 4: a lot of month ago.
Speaker 1: Who are these people who raised them? Okay, so you
Speaker 1: bought the property and then the sella refused to get out?
Speaker 3: Yeah, refused?
Speaker 4: She Yeah, so she had felt that the bank had
Speaker 4: owed her money, so she was in herrears and the
Speaker 4: property is going to be auctioned. So they gave an
Speaker 4: option of the easy sell platform. So basically they were
Speaker 4: the sisters selling the property. She's still selling it. So
Speaker 4: she signed the OTP. Everything was done November twenty one.
Speaker 4: The property registers in our names and she says, well, sorry,
Speaker 4: I'm holding alsos everage over the bank to the baby,
Speaker 4: and yeah, that started a three and a half here drama.
Speaker 1: And where were you living for three and a half years? Well,
Speaker 1: this drama's.
Speaker 4: Appening pretty much all over Joe Bugs. We moved four
Speaker 4: times in two years, so we lived in rampertem with family.
Speaker 4: We had to we rented cottage in somebody's backyard. We eventually, yeah,
Speaker 4: we moved four times, and in April twenty three.
Speaker 1: You are incurring more costs because obviously now you're still
Speaker 1: paying for the house that you bought.
Speaker 4: So we were paying rent and the bottle at the
Speaker 4: same time. So eventually, in April twenty twenty three, I'd
Speaker 4: basically lost everything, so we had to move into the house.
Speaker 4: So we literally moved into the lounge. So my parents,
Speaker 4: my wife, my kids, and I lived in the lounge
Speaker 4: with her. And yeah, she lived, she lives in she
Speaker 4: lived in the main bedroom. Oh no, no, yeah, no, guys,
Speaker 4: it sounds too good to be true. Yeah yeah, And
Speaker 4: eventually she moved the homeless couple into the house as well.
Speaker 1: Try to frustrate you guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so they occupied the bedrooms. We slept in the lounge.
Speaker 4: We had to share the bathroom with the homeless couple.
Speaker 4: The wife was assaulted for use in the kitchen. We
Speaker 4: were asked on a daily basis. We lost about we're
Speaker 4: over a million n that we lost in legal fees.
Speaker 4: But yeah, like you said, you're not going to get
Speaker 4: anything back. You know, because of the way the law
Speaker 4: is structured. You can't remove doors, you can't do any
Speaker 4: of these things. She couldn't do anything. She tried to
Speaker 4: take us to court because we moved in, but at
Speaker 4: the enery with a lawful owners So this is what.
Speaker 3: I was going to say. Her fight is with the bank, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: but the bank doesn't care because it's not their problem anymore.
Speaker 3: It's now Cushion's property. Yeah, So did she not understand
Speaker 3: this is that frustrating you as Cushion isn't going to
Speaker 3: help her with the bank?
Speaker 4: Yeah, she didn't exactly that, she didn't care. She just
Speaker 4: she she took the dying to the homagement and she lost.
Speaker 4: She just didn't tell us and we were busy with
Speaker 4: the vision at all time.
Speaker 1: So what was the final store for her to finally leave?
Speaker 4: The vision was granted in January this year, she took it,
Speaker 4: she appealed that at the High Court it was dismissed,
Speaker 4: she took it to the Supreme Court and then when
Speaker 4: it was it dismissed last month, we finally got the
Speaker 4: sheriff to come and remove them, and.
Speaker 1: Where the sheriff removed them. You took the homeless couple
Speaker 1: with Yeah, every all of them.
Speaker 4: All of them had toally they were the court order
Speaker 4: stated that they wanted to leave because she called them
Speaker 4: her guests, so she was she was liable for them,
Speaker 4: so she had to make raigements for them.
Speaker 1: Basically, did you cleanse the house? Did you cleanse the house?
Speaker 4: Yes? I had a pass to come in and actually
Speaker 4: pray for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's a long road a head because the
Speaker 4: house is actually a very bad condition. It's actually quite dilapidated,
Speaker 4: so and we don't have any money to renovate. So
Speaker 4: basically people have actually gifted us with like paint and
Speaker 4: stuff like that so we can actually try and make
Speaker 4: the house owner. I've got a long road heads.
Speaker 1: I have some candles if you want to, we want to,
Speaker 1: that's wild.
Speaker 3: I'm so im as well to say I'm so sorry
Speaker 3: you had to go through this, because this is I mean,
Speaker 3: this is a hellish thing. This is not even I'm
Speaker 3: a landlord of my tenant dons and want to move
Speaker 3: up this. Yeah, I literally your house.
Speaker 1: Your house, You've got nowhere else to go and now.
Speaker 4: You have to share it.
Speaker 6: I would you need to call us?
Speaker 1: Oh my, I'm so angry on your behalf. I'm so angry,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the worst part of it all was that we
Speaker 4: actually lost my momth three months ago during this whole fight,
Speaker 4: and she said to me that son, she will die
Speaker 4: before she sees me lose the house because of the
Speaker 4: struggle that we've gone through, and sadly, yeah, just before
Speaker 4: she could see the wind, she actually passed away.
Speaker 3: So, dude, I would I cannot imagine being in your shoes.
Speaker 3: I would have given them.
Speaker 4: I would.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't wish this on anybody, but I hope you know,
Speaker 4: people actually do a lot of homework before they buy
Speaker 4: a property because this is what you could be subjected to.
Speaker 4: So it's important that you do your homework and have
Speaker 4: clauses in your contract to say that if the property
Speaker 4: is not vacant, you're not you're not taking the property.
Speaker 1: Back to making your mourning and la and on nine
Speaker 1: four seven