Neroli Brennan: This is Seeds for Success, a show where we have
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Neroli Brennan: Neroli Brennan. Today we're having a yarn with Logan Tighe.
Neroli Brennan: Logan owns and runs LJT Harvesting, a professional kangaroo harvesting
Neroli Brennan: business, with two chillers based in Coonabarabran. Logan is an
Neroli Brennan: avid listener to the Seeds for Success Podcast, and was
Neroli Brennan: keen to educate more people about the kangaroo industry. In
Neroli Brennan: this episode Logan talks to us about the industry, including
Neroli Brennan: what's involved in harvesting kangaroos and what the meat is
Neroli Brennan: used for. Logan is passionate about what he does, and
Neroli Brennan: he believes in the sustainability of the industry, the quality
Neroli Brennan: of the product, and the welfare of the roos. You'll
Neroli Brennan: also hear how Logan aims to build a trusted relationship
Neroli Brennan: that provides a valuable service through helping farmers reduce their
Neroli Brennan: grazing pressure and control their invasive pests. For him, it's
Neroli Brennan: a partnership between farmers and harvesters. Local Land Services Mixed
Neroli Brennan: Farmers Advisor, Callen Thompson, sat down for this chat with
Neroli Brennan: Logan just before he headed out to work for the night.
Callen Thompson: Well, today I'm with Logan Tighe. Logan's probably the first
Callen Thompson: roo harvester that we've spoken to, I think, in our
Callen Thompson: podcast. And I got the idea for doing this podcast
Callen Thompson: while Logan and I were driving around, and I was showing him around my place,
Callen Thompson: and started asking him some questions about the industry and
Callen Thompson: where the product went. And I thought there's a lot
Callen Thompson: of farmers that will probably be pretty interested in how
Callen Thompson: roos are harvested and what the end product is. So
Callen Thompson: Logan, can you tell me a bit about what a
Callen Thompson: night looks like for a roo shooter?
Logan Tighe: Mate, nights can look very different. Depends on the place you go, depends on the weather, depends on all that
Logan Tighe: sort of stuff. You can go out and you can go to a good place where you know you're going to shoot
Logan Tighe: your 10, your 20, or you can go out to some little
Logan Tighe: blocks where you could surprise yourself and you could shoot
Logan Tighe: your one or your two, or you could shoot your 10. It just
Logan Tighe: depends on the night and depends on the roos, and it's
Logan Tighe: all that sort of stuff. Obviously your bigger places with
Logan Tighe: a bit more scrub, hold a fair few more roos,
Logan Tighe: so you're going to get better nights on that. But, depends.
Callen Thompson: I imagine weather still plays a fairly big part in it.
Logan Tighe: Yeah. The rain at the moment, it plays a very big part. And with
Logan Tighe: the feed around at the moment, it spreads the roos out a
Logan Tighe: bit. They're not mobbed up like they normally are, so it makes them a bit harder to find. Around here they're
Logan Tighe: just coming back. Coming into spring, bit of clover, they're chasing that, and
Logan Tighe: the crops they're coming off that a little bit now,
Logan Tighe: they're a little bit higher, but they're still there. Still
Logan Tighe: poking around.
Callen Thompson: Bit of wet weather, you'd be at risk of getting bogged. I know there's a few times you've had a few hairy situations on my place.
Logan Tighe: Yeah, definitely. There's a couple of wet spots around, but you got to know
Logan Tighe: your country sort, and you just get around it. No one wants to go
Logan Tighe: and cut up tracks for a farmer. It doesn't look
Logan Tighe: real good, and no one wants to spend half a night bogged either.
Callen Thompson: No, for sure. Wind did play a bit of an
Callen Thompson: issue as well, would it?
Logan Tighe: Yeah, wind. Depends on your rifle, what rifle set up you got, but
Logan Tighe: it makes them a bit flighty. Obviously, it's hard to shoot in
Logan Tighe: wind, but you can overcome it, just depends how much
Logan Tighe: wind you've got.
Callen Thompson: I've known you since you were a little kid. I used to work with
Callen Thompson: your mom and you'd come in after school and color
Callen Thompson: in and do your homework and stuff like that.
Logan Tighe: Play with the trucks out in the front garden there.
Callen Thompson: Yeah. Yeah.
Logan Tighe: (Crosstalk) , it was great.
Callen Thompson: How'd you get into roo shooting?
Logan Tighe: I got a cousin who you know. He's pretty big. He
Logan Tighe: really got me into it, and he really got the passion for it. Obviously as
Logan Tighe: a child, as a young kid, I was shooting with
Logan Tighe: my father and that sort of stuff. He's not a
Logan Tighe: roo harvester, but my cousin, he set me up pretty well. That's where
Logan Tighe: I got my passion from.
Callen Thompson: Yeah. No, I know who you're talking about. Him and I are good mates from early age, I
Callen Thompson: think. And he's always been very passionate about kick, chasing (crosstalk) .
Logan Tighe: He's still very passionate about his roos, he loves it.
Logan Tighe: Eat, sleeps, breathes it. He's really put my foot in
Logan Tighe: the door and I can't thank him enough.
Callen Thompson: Yeah. Okay. And you mentioned you used to go shooting a
Callen Thompson: lot with your dad, and I think your dad was actually the
Callen Thompson: first person to ring me. Is he still involved with
Callen Thompson: the roo shooting, or just comes out as a bit
Callen Thompson: of a hobby?
Logan Tighe: The old boy comes out and opens some gates. And
Logan Tighe: he doesn't tell me what I'm doing wrong, because I
Logan Tighe: know I'm a bit of a better shot than him. And he knows that as well, but yeah, he keeps you awake and a bit of conversation in
Logan Tighe: the paddock is always good. Always makes the night go
Logan Tighe: a bit quicker, and yeah, I'd be lost without him too.
Callen Thompson: I remember talking to your mom once, she was doing
Callen Thompson: a bit of paperwork for you in the early days?
Logan Tighe: Yeah. She did a fair bit of paperwork. She's pretty
Logan Tighe: handy with that. She'd do my numbers and that sort of stuff. And
Logan Tighe: I was going off to work, and she had a
Logan Tighe: couple more hours than me. My parents really helped me
Logan Tighe: out a lot with running the (crosstalk) . It's a
Logan Tighe: bit of God sent really. I love it. Yeah. It's awesome. It's
Logan Tighe: a passion. Definitely.
Callen Thompson: So once you've shot a roo, what does field harvesting
Callen Thompson: look like?
Logan Tighe: So you shoot your roo, you go pick it up, drag it or
Logan Tighe: drive to it. If you're lucky enough you can drive
Logan Tighe: to it. Then you put it on the back of your rack. Depends
Logan Tighe: on which company, you might take the tail off, or
Logan Tighe: you might leave the tail on and then just swing
Logan Tighe: him up on the back of (inaudible) . And they
Logan Tighe: sit through the pelvis, and they don't touch the floor. So
Logan Tighe: they don't get contaminated in that way.
Callen Thompson: Do you leave in like livers-
Logan Tighe: Liver, heart, lung, that all stays in.
Callen Thompson: Yeah. And that's so they can tell if they're healthy?
Logan Tighe: Then they can run tests on those and tell if they're healthy.
Logan Tighe: And obviously tell if they've got any conditions, worms, that
Logan Tighe: sort of stuff.
Callen Thompson: Oh cool. Once you've got them on the back of the (inaudible)
Callen Thompson: , where do they go from there?
Logan Tighe: I own a chiller in Coonabarabran, I have my own two chillers. They
Logan Tighe: go to there and then I sell to a company called Macro Meats. So they
Logan Tighe: go to Adelaide essentially, in a truck. Take them to
Logan Tighe: Adelaide and they export. And that's also on your shelf at Woollies.
Callen Thompson: What size roos are you looking for?
Logan Tighe: Well, anything really. We've got a minimum weight of 15
Logan Tighe: kilos for the national parks. So anything over that is
Logan Tighe: fair game, good to take really, add up to your
Logan Tighe: bigger stuff. Obviously there's a general consensus that most roo
Logan Tighe: shooters want to take the big ones, which is handy, more money,
Logan Tighe: but if you're doing it properly, you take whatever you can
Logan Tighe: get really.
Callen Thompson: And so what's the market for those smaller guys, I guess?
Logan Tighe: Well, it's all the same. You just get paid per kilo. So whatever (inaudible)
Logan Tighe: , it's all per kilo. So it just depends on how heavy
Logan Tighe: it is really. You're obviously looking to get rid of
Logan Tighe: as many as you can for the farmer and for
Logan Tighe: yourself, because it's the more you get, the more money
Logan Tighe: you generate obviously, and you keep your farmer happy.
Callen Thompson: And once they're at the processor, where does that meat
Callen Thompson: then go to?
Logan Tighe: Like I said, it goes to Woollies or it gets
Logan Tighe: exported overseas. I'm not quite too sure where they export
Logan Tighe: to, but I know generally it's about 60 countries-
Callen Thompson: Okay.
Logan Tighe: That you can buy roo meat in.
Callen Thompson: And is the majority of it pet food or is
Callen Thompson: some human consumption (crosstalk) ?
Logan Tighe: No, so all your bucks are human consumption, that keep the consistency in the meat.
Callen Thompson: Yep.
Logan Tighe: And your does are in your pet food.
Callen Thompson: Okay. So I imagine there's a level of accreditation and
Callen Thompson: training that you have to go through?
Logan Tighe: Yeah. So it's pretty tough. Well, it's not really tough,
Logan Tighe: but it's a bit to get into. You got to
Logan Tighe: be pretty passionate. So you got to do a shooting course, which
Logan Tighe: is a paper test and a shooting accuracy test. You
Logan Tighe: have to have your rack set up, and it's all got to
Logan Tighe: be accredited by Safe Food. And then you have to
Logan Tighe: be approved for a national parks license to harvest your
Logan Tighe: roos. And also when you get on a farmer's place,
Logan Tighe: they have to fill out a consent form for the
Logan Tighe: national parks, so they know where all your roos are harvested. That's about it. And you got
Logan Tighe: to order tags for each roo, and all that sort
Logan Tighe: of stuff.
Callen Thompson: So what sort of training do you go through for the-
Logan Tighe: The dressings side of it?
Callen Thompson: Yeah, the dressing side?
Logan Tighe: So the dressing side of it is a TAFE course
Logan Tighe: that you do online, and you have to go out
Logan Tighe: with a harvester and they have to show you how to do it. And you get photos or
Logan Tighe: a video taken of you. And then you send that into the
Logan Tighe: TAFE course and they approve you on that.
Callen Thompson: And how often do you do accuracy?
Logan Tighe: The accuracy is every five years. And your rack inspection
Logan Tighe: is every year, and your national parks license is every year.
Callen Thompson: How do you ensure quality?
Logan Tighe: So you use sanitizer, you wash in between everything with
Logan Tighe: sanitized water, my knives are dipped in sanitizer every time,
Logan Tighe: which they're meant to be. Obviously keep them out of the dirt as
Logan Tighe: much as you can keep them out of the grass, as much as you can, you
Logan Tighe: don't want any foreign contaminants in there. But you got
Logan Tighe: to be clean. It's not hard to be clean.
Callen Thompson: Yeah. I noticed (inaudible) is always pretty spotless.
Logan Tighe: Yeah. The stainless steel it's really good to clean. It
Logan Tighe: makes your life a whole lot easier.
Callen Thompson: It's not like the old days of pig chasers driving
Callen Thompson: through town with (crosstalk) all sticky and horrible looking.
Logan Tighe: Yeah, that's back in the old pet food days. They changed a lot since then. Definitely.
Callen Thompson: And I guess if you are having to do that
Callen Thompson: shooting accuracy regularly, the animal welfare respect from the roos is
Callen Thompson: pretty good. There's pretty much a roo standing in a
Callen Thompson: paddock, next minute it's dead and it's getting dressed.
Logan Tighe: Yeah. The roo doesn't know what's happening. It doesn't feel
Logan Tighe: a thing.
Callen Thompson: Yeah.
Logan Tighe: Doing the accuracy test. And I'm out in a paddock
Logan Tighe: five to seven nights a week, a minimum five nights
Logan Tighe: a week. You keep your practice up pretty well. You
Logan Tighe: get pretty good at it.
Callen Thompson: Yeah. And I imagine you guys would be a lot
Callen Thompson: better shots than a lot of farmers, who are going
Callen Thompson: out into the paddy once or twice every couple of weeks.
Logan Tighe: Yeah. Well, we obviously need to shoot in the head.
Logan Tighe: If we don't shoot in the head, we can be
Logan Tighe: fined, because that's not a humane kill. Our accuracy is pretty
Logan Tighe: good, in my own words, from what I see from
Logan Tighe: the blokes I've got shooting for me. We take a
Logan Tighe: fair few roos out of the area all week. It also
Logan Tighe: saves a farmer a night, who's been working all day,
Logan Tighe: going out shooting all night. He might like it. It might be a bit of a
Logan Tighe: passion for him, but at the end of the day, he doesn't have to
Logan Tighe: get out and do it every night.
Callen Thompson: Yeah. I guess from my point of view, you coming
Callen Thompson: out here, save me a lot of time. I can now spend with
Callen Thompson: my family at night and not have to be out
Callen Thompson: in the paddock in the cold.
Logan Tighe: Yeah. It's no cost to have a roo shoot at
Logan Tighe: all. There's no cost to it. It's all basically free.
Logan Tighe: We're helping each other out. In a sense I'm helping
Logan Tighe: you with your crop and you pasture, keeping the roos
Logan Tighe: off it. And you're helping me by, I obviously make money out
Logan Tighe: of it. And I love it. It's a passion for
Logan Tighe: me. It's not a job.
Callen Thompson: Yeah. And I noticed in the drought, even paddocks that
Callen Thompson: we completely de- stocked of sheep or cattle, were still
Callen Thompson: getting heavily grazed by roos. And it was causing some
Callen Thompson: pretty bad ground cover issues.
Logan Tighe: In the drought it was easier to shoot roos than
Logan Tighe: when it's wet, obviously, because there's not as much feed.
Logan Tighe: So you could really clean out the roos. But there
Logan Tighe: was a big problem with roos in the drought. It
Logan Tighe: was very noticeable. And now you can notice they're still
Logan Tighe: there, they haven't died off like people said, they have, they're
Logan Tighe: just more spread out. They're all covered in the scrub.
Logan Tighe: They've got plenty of food, plenty of water. They don't
Logan Tighe: have to come out if they don't want to. But
Logan Tighe: now they're chasing the clover and that's a bit richer, they'll end
Logan Tighe: up poking out a bit more coming in the spring. In summer,
Logan Tighe: they'll definitely be out.
Callen Thompson: Is it hard to find farms to actually harvest?
Logan Tighe: It is and it isn't. Some farms are a bit different about it.
Logan Tighe: Some are like, you are really approachable. I've known you since I was
Logan Tighe: a kid, basically. Been around the area, I've known a
Logan Tighe: lot of people. And then you get on some people's properties and
Logan Tighe: word of mouth gets around and yeah, it works out
Logan Tighe: pretty well. Word of mouth around about me now. And I don't really have to chase country and door
Logan Tighe: knock like I used to, but also, I don't have
Logan Tighe: country coming in every week. You just got to be presentable.
Logan Tighe: Know what you're talking about basically. And just be yourself.
Callen Thompson: Word of mouth in small rural towns does travel. If
Callen Thompson: you weren't doing a good job for a farmer, people
Callen Thompson: would say (crosstalk) .
Logan Tighe: It's in my completely best interest to do everything right by
Logan Tighe: the farmer. Not leave gates open, not leave trash through
Logan Tighe: paddocks, not do the wrong thing, essentially. Not shoot top
Logan Tighe: wise or fences. Roo shoot is pretty respectable. We know
Logan Tighe: if we do the wrong thing, it comes back to
Logan Tighe: bite us at the end of the day. And it's not
Logan Tighe: good for anyone.
Callen Thompson: Even though you do love it, it is a job.
Logan Tighe: Yeah.
Callen Thompson: And you've got to be professional (crosstalk) .
Logan Tighe: 100%. You've got to be very professional. It is a job. But
Logan Tighe: they say, if you like your job, you never work a day in your life.
Logan Tighe: And that's exactly what it's like, for me anyway.
Callen Thompson: You work full time during the day as well. How
Callen Thompson: do you manage working all day and then not sleeping
Callen Thompson: at night?
Logan Tighe: You get in a routine. You definitely get in a routine. Some days
Logan Tighe: you're a bit doughy, but you push through. Like I
Logan Tighe: said, it's a passion for me. So you got to know your
Logan Tighe: limits as well. You obviously don't want to drive tired. You're endangering yourself and other people. That's not a
Logan Tighe: great thing, but you got to know your limits basically.
Callen Thompson: Logan, I've noticed when I drive into my paddocks, I
Callen Thompson: often see the dead fox and dead pig. And you
Callen Thompson: always give me a rundown on what pigs you've seen
Callen Thompson: and things like that.
Logan Tighe: Love knocking over pigs. They're very destructive. You know yourself,
Logan Tighe: seeing it in your own crops. They just get in
Logan Tighe: there and they dig and dig and dig. And foxes the same, around
Logan Tighe: lambing time, foxes are terrible. I always knock down foxes, especially.
Callen Thompson: And I think that's a part of the industry that
Callen Thompson: people don't know or don't understand, is that you guys are actually
Callen Thompson: taking a lot of those feral animals that we are
Callen Thompson: working really hard to control, out of the system as well.
Logan Tighe: Yeah. And that's it. And obviously with harvesting kangaroos, if a
Logan Tighe: farmer's going out and shooting him himself, he's leaving him
Logan Tighe: in a paddock, and they're going to sit there and they're going to
Logan Tighe: stink. He doesn't have to deal with that. He doesn't have to drive past a paddock of (inaudible)
Logan Tighe: he wants to have a look at, and go, "
Logan Tighe: I don't like driving here because it stinks." He doesn't have to worry about that. It's a
Logan Tighe: bit different, but if you've got gut piles there, you're going to have foxes
Logan Tighe: coming in as well. So you know you can go there and you
Logan Tighe: can clean up a couple foxes as well. And pigs,
Logan Tighe: same goes for pigs.
Callen Thompson: Yeah. And I guess you've removing that meat, that high protein meat that
Callen Thompson: allows pig numbers to really build up and fox numbers
Callen Thompson: to build up too?
Logan Tighe: Yeah, can't get them all, but you can do your best. You can
Logan Tighe: clean a fair few up in a night. And the foxes are pretty
Logan Tighe: tricky to shoot, I'm not going to lie, but nine times out of
Logan Tighe: 10, you'll get them.
Callen Thompson: Yep. So Logan, one of the first things I think
Callen Thompson: you and I had a yarn about was biosecurity. So
Callen Thompson: for me on my own farm, biosecurity's really important. And
Callen Thompson: it's a message from LS that we're always streaking, is
Callen Thompson: that clean on and off. How do you manage that side
Callen Thompson: of things?
Logan Tighe: Basically blow the (jute) out every afternoon and wash
Logan Tighe: it out. You can't get 100% out, but you can do your best
Logan Tighe: to limit it. You can take all the mud out. (inaudible)
Logan Tighe: are bad. They get everywhere in your radiator, grass,
Logan Tighe: seeds, all that sort of stuff. You got to do
Logan Tighe: your best to get it out, basically. If you're turning
Logan Tighe: up on farm and, and your jute is messy, that's
Logan Tighe: not a great look, it's not a desirable look. Like I said, it's
Logan Tighe: not hard to be clean. It might take you an
Logan Tighe: hour to wash your jute, or you might just do it when you
Logan Tighe: get home while you're still awake and clean it out.
Logan Tighe: So then you're ready to go the next day. But yeah,
Logan Tighe: biosecurity is a big thing. And a lot of farmers
Logan Tighe: always talk about biosecurity as well.
Callen Thompson: That's good to know. Often I'm wondering whether our message
Callen Thompson: is getting through.
Logan Tighe: No, (crosstalk) especially, you see all the signs on
Logan Tighe: the gate and everything now, the biosecurity signs. So there's a
Logan Tighe: lot of farmers around here that are really into it.
Callen Thompson: Yeah. Awesome.
Logan Tighe: Which is good to see.
Callen Thompson: Yeah. Is there any new technology that you guys are
Callen Thompson: starting to use, or that you can see being used
Callen Thompson: in the future?
Logan Tighe: I've seen a lot of shooters, I don't have it
Logan Tighe: myself, but they're using thermal. So it cuts down on
Logan Tighe: the light, which then spooks to roos. It's a very easy
Logan Tighe: way to spot something in a paddock. You obviously see
Logan Tighe: the bright red glow, and you can make it out,
Logan Tighe: what it is perfectly. You can see the size of the animal.
Logan Tighe: Same with foxes, pigs, roos, anything. That's one thing I've
Logan Tighe: seen that's a really big advancement. But like I said,
Logan Tighe: I haven't got it myself or used it. But I
Logan Tighe: know a bloke that has got it, and he loves it.
Callen Thompson: And I imagine that's fairly expensive technology now, but hopefully
Callen Thompson: it'll come down a bit in the future.
Logan Tighe: Hopefully it'll come down. It is pretty expensive. You can get
Logan Tighe: cheaper versions, but if you're doing it full time, you want the
Logan Tighe: best one you can get, or a mid one. But yeah,
Logan Tighe: it's pretty handy from what I've seen. And I'm still a old spotlight and scope
Logan Tighe: sort of bloke, like old fateful. That's what roo shooters have been doing for
Logan Tighe: years. It works efficiently, it's easy, it's fail safe as
Logan Tighe: well. But yeah, that's about it, really. Yep.
Callen Thompson: What's the plans for the future? Is roo shooting a
Callen Thompson: long term job for you?
Logan Tighe: I'm about to start another apprenticeship. Yep. But I'll still
Logan Tighe: be doing mt roos. So I'll be able to make
Logan Tighe: that work again. So that'll be my second apprenticeship, but
Logan Tighe: it's definitely a long term goal for me. I've got
Logan Tighe: my two boxes here. I've got a fair few blokes
Logan Tighe: shooting for me. They pretty well run themselves. There's a bit
Logan Tighe: in running the chiller. You got to do your daily
Logan Tighe: temps every day, and you've got to check your box,
Logan Tighe: make sure it's running all right. You've got parameters in
Logan Tighe: times, roos have got to be cooled down and all that sort
Logan Tighe: of stuff. But yeah, it's definitely a long term plan
Logan Tighe: for me. I'd love to retire early and keep doing
Logan Tighe: it, but just depends on what happens I guess.
Callen Thompson: And in managing all those brew shooters that are delivering
Callen Thompson: to your boxes, do they deliver only to you, or
Callen Thompson: do they deliver to other boxes?
Logan Tighe: No. Well, they only deliver to me as far as
Logan Tighe: I know, obviously. We've got an invoice system, so I supply
Logan Tighe: book, they write down their roos, their weights, where they
Logan Tighe: were shot. So you need a pit number as well,
Logan Tighe: where that was shot. And you got tag advice numbers that
Logan Tighe: helps both of us, because with them, we both have
Logan Tighe: to log them in a system for the national parks
Logan Tighe: monthly, and the box has got to be done weekly.
Logan Tighe: That just shows the national parks where they're at with their numbers and all that
Logan Tighe: sort of stuff.
Callen Thompson: So it sounds like a fair bit of paperwork involved?
Logan Tighe: There's definitely a lot of paperwork in it. It's a very regulated game.
Callen Thompson: And I guess it needs to be, to make sure
Callen Thompson: you're not taking too many roos, and also keeping that quality.
Logan Tighe: That's it. Your pit numbers trace it as well. So
Logan Tighe: it trace it to the place they come off. The quality
Logan Tighe: is a big thing, but it's pretty well regulated.
Callen Thompson: Yeah. (inaudible) mate. Well, thanks so much for your time.
Logan Tighe: No worries. Thank you for the opportunity.
Callen Thompson: It's been good for us all to get a better
Callen Thompson: understanding of where the roos go.
Logan Tighe: Yeah, it's good to shed some light on it. We're
Logan Tighe: here to help, basically.
Callen Thompson: Cool. Thanks mate.
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