1 00:00:02,620 --> 00:00:03,820 Speaker 1: From crypto media. 2 00:00:05,860 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 2: The spiritual guide to all this is you talk about karma. Mr. 3 00:00:09,410 --> 00:00:13,090 Speaker 2: K his signature autograph was always love cars love. People 4 00:00:13,090 --> 00:00:15,580 Speaker 2: love my boy if I could take a little piece 5 00:00:15,580 --> 00:00:17,500 Speaker 2: of that and apply that to my own life I 6 00:00:17,500 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 2: would be so grateful. This is my. Stepmother. 7 00:00:37,380 --> 00:00:40,790 Speaker 3: This is Robert Ross with another episode of cars that matter. 8 00:00:40,890 --> 00:00:43,620 Speaker 3: I'm here today with Pete. Heaven. Greetings. I'm glad you 9 00:00:43,620 --> 00:00:44,430 Speaker 3: could join us. 10 00:00:44,460 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 4: Hello Pete is the author of Nissan's Z. Fifty years 11 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,019 Speaker 4: of exhilarating performance. It was just published this year by 12 00:00:52,020 --> 00:00:54,990 Speaker 4: motor Books an imprint of cuarto press. I'm here to 13 00:00:54,990 --> 00:00:57,570 Speaker 4: tell you I have the book in hand and among 14 00:00:57,630 --> 00:01:02,130 Speaker 4: all of the recent automotive publications this one really stands apart. 15 00:01:02,130 --> 00:01:03,820 Speaker 4: Congratulations on a great project. 16 00:01:03,850 --> 00:01:06,030 Speaker 5: Pete thank you very much I really appreciate that. It 17 00:01:06,030 --> 00:01:08,970 Speaker 5: was a labor of love. I put it together fairly 18 00:01:08,970 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 5: quickly because it was something that Nissan jumped on board 19 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,899 Speaker 5: at a last minute decision. It was interesting. They really 20 00:01:15,900 --> 00:01:18,740 Speaker 5: did make a big deal out of the 25th anniversary 21 00:01:18,870 --> 00:01:21,090 Speaker 5: and I don't know why but it didn't really occur 22 00:01:21,090 --> 00:01:23,580 Speaker 5: to them to do much about the fiftieth anniversary. Then 23 00:01:23,580 --> 00:01:26,210 Speaker 5: all of a sudden somebody internally said we really have to. 24 00:01:26,220 --> 00:01:29,310 Speaker 5: And that was Hiroshi Tamura. They got in touch with 25 00:01:29,310 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 5: their licensing agency which is EMI and EMI contact and 26 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 5: motor books and motor books contacted me because I had 27 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,150 Speaker 5: written an earlier version of thirty fifth anniversary. And so 28 00:01:39,150 --> 00:01:41,550 Speaker 5: we put this book together really in a little less 29 00:01:41,550 --> 00:01:42,150 Speaker 5: than a year. 30 00:01:42,150 --> 00:01:45,060 Speaker 4: I noticed the foreword is by Hiroshi tomorrow. Obviously he 31 00:01:45,060 --> 00:01:48,270 Speaker 4: had a hand in recognizing that 50 years of Zen 32 00:01:48,270 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 4: is as you call it. Pete you've got kind of 33 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:54,930 Speaker 4: an interesting career. Obviously your Zen aficionado but you're also 34 00:01:54,930 --> 00:01:58,590 Speaker 4: a professor in the Department of Communications at Cal State Fullerton. 35 00:01:58,590 --> 00:02:00,780 Speaker 4: Probably as we talk about your book and about the 36 00:02:00,780 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 4: history of the Zen cars we'll maybe get into a 37 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,820 Speaker 4: little bit of the market speak that would along with 38 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 4: essentially introducing a Holden car and a whole new concept 39 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,340 Speaker 4: to a whole new audience that is the North American 40 00:02:11,340 --> 00:02:14,190 Speaker 4: audience for whom a sports car from Japan was a 41 00:02:14,190 --> 00:02:18,390 Speaker 4: brand new unthinkable concept back in 1970. I know this 42 00:02:18,389 --> 00:02:22,230 Speaker 4: isn't your first Zipcar rodeo either because you published Zee 43 00:02:22,290 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 4: 35 years of Nissan sports car in 2005. It's hard 44 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,610 Speaker 4: to imagine that the nameplate is as old as it 45 00:02:29,610 --> 00:02:31,950 Speaker 4: is and for its thirty fifth anniversary there were some 46 00:02:31,950 --> 00:02:35,010 Speaker 4: pretty exciting things happening too. But I guess really to 47 00:02:35,010 --> 00:02:36,990 Speaker 4: start at the beginning let's go back and look at 48 00:02:36,990 --> 00:02:39,570 Speaker 4: the Zee legacy from the start. You and I are 49 00:02:39,570 --> 00:02:41,730 Speaker 4: old enough to remember that back in the 60s and 50 00:02:41,730 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 4: early 70s Japanese cars were by and large disregarded. I'm 51 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,420 Speaker 4: being charitable I'd say a joke in some ways but 52 00:02:48,419 --> 00:02:50,820 Speaker 4: they were no joke because of course Honda and Toyota 53 00:02:51,030 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 4: essentially took over their respective markets and Dotson did the same. 54 00:02:54,780 --> 00:02:56,790 Speaker 4: But really the only sports car we had back in 55 00:02:56,790 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 4: the 60s was the Toyota 2000 and that was such 56 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,830 Speaker 4: a rare and esoteric piece of work that it almost 57 00:03:01,830 --> 00:03:02,540 Speaker 4: doesn't count. 58 00:03:02,550 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 5: Nissan did try. They had a sixteen hundred little sports 59 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,700 Speaker 5: car was a little convertible. It started as a sixteen hundred. 60 00:03:08,700 --> 00:03:10,630 Speaker 5: They called it the fair Lady in Japan of course. 61 00:03:10,650 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 5: And then they brought it over here to the US 62 00:03:12,690 --> 00:03:15,690 Speaker 5: and then it became a slightly larger motor and they 63 00:03:15,690 --> 00:03:17,370 Speaker 5: had it with the two leaders they called it the 64 00:03:17,370 --> 00:03:19,860 Speaker 5: two thousand I remember that two thousand well a friend 65 00:03:19,860 --> 00:03:21,570 Speaker 5: of mine had a canary yellow one. 66 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,670 Speaker 4: And I thought it was an amazing thing it was 67 00:03:23,669 --> 00:03:26,010 Speaker 4: right up there with any of G.B. except that it 68 00:03:26,010 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 4: was more reliable and a great little competitive car. 69 00:03:29,910 --> 00:03:32,460 Speaker 6: And Peter Brock raised it so did Bob Sharp on 70 00:03:32,460 --> 00:03:35,650 Speaker 6: the east coast and so that kind of really established 71 00:03:35,820 --> 00:03:38,730 Speaker 6: a footprint if you will for Nissan at least from 72 00:03:38,730 --> 00:03:42,180 Speaker 6: the motor sports standpoint and it gave them some credibility 73 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,900 Speaker 6: and it really provided the power I guess internally to 74 00:03:45,900 --> 00:03:49,500 Speaker 6: look at a genuine sports car a hard top version 75 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,390 Speaker 6: and you can always thank Mr. Kay. 76 00:03:51,390 --> 00:03:53,850 Speaker 7: You talk a kind of Yama who pushed that car 77 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,730 Speaker 7: the Z initially and he was here in America as 78 00:03:56,730 --> 00:03:59,820 Speaker 7: the president of Nissan USA and he went back to 79 00:03:59,820 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 7: Japan and said we really have to have a sports 80 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:05,730 Speaker 7: car that is affordable and is something that everyone can 81 00:04:05,730 --> 00:04:09,090 Speaker 7: afford here in the United States. And so he basically 82 00:04:09,090 --> 00:04:13,110 Speaker 7: brought the idea of democratizing a sports car. You mentioned 83 00:04:13,110 --> 00:04:16,860 Speaker 7: the Toyota 2000 GTA. It was an incredible car. But 84 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,979 Speaker 7: it didn't really have the legs to expand they didn't 85 00:04:19,980 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 7: really bring it over here in significant quantities and it 86 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:24,989 Speaker 7: was a very expensive car as opposed to a little 87 00:04:24,990 --> 00:04:25,750 Speaker 7: roadster is a rumor. 88 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,020 Speaker 4: But Bob Bonner and use the little 2 thousands for 89 00:04:28,020 --> 00:04:30,660 Speaker 4: his driving school. They were so good and reliable and 90 00:04:30,660 --> 00:04:34,290 Speaker 4: relatively inexpensive that Toyota was essentially unaffordable. And it was 91 00:04:34,290 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 4: fragile and even though it did a little bit of 92 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,580 Speaker 4: racing there just wasn't enough critical mass to really make 93 00:04:38,580 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 4: it stick. 94 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,060 Speaker 7: Nissan really wanted to be the first to come in there. 95 00:04:42,060 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 7: Honda was here but they made really small throwaway cars 96 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:46,219 Speaker 7: to begin with. 97 00:04:46,230 --> 00:04:48,690 Speaker 5: Let's call them shoeboxes I think the only thing smaller 98 00:04:48,690 --> 00:04:51,330 Speaker 5: was that Subaru 360 that looked like an egg with 99 00:04:51,330 --> 00:04:53,700 Speaker 5: Finnish oils and Nissan was ahead of their time of 100 00:04:53,700 --> 00:04:55,830 Speaker 5: course they were called Datsun them but they came out 101 00:04:55,830 --> 00:04:59,190 Speaker 5: with their 240 Zi and late 69. But they also 102 00:04:59,190 --> 00:05:01,590 Speaker 5: had a pickup truck. And so those were two key 103 00:05:01,589 --> 00:05:05,909 Speaker 5: markets that they used to go after slightly different audiences 104 00:05:05,940 --> 00:05:08,969 Speaker 5: but that's how they penetrated the U.S. market at least initially. 105 00:05:08,970 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 4: So many times a great nameplate like the 240 Zi 106 00:05:12,630 --> 00:05:15,060 Speaker 4: comes about because of the vision of a single person 107 00:05:15,060 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 4: or a tight team and you talk about you talk 108 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,700 Speaker 4: a cutie Sharma or Mr. Kay Cottee Amazon was obviously 109 00:05:20,700 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 4: an interesting guy and he must have been doing something right. 110 00:05:23,130 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 4: So he lived to be one hundred five years old. 111 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 4: That's a remarkable thing in and of itself. You speak 112 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,419 Speaker 4: very fondly of him in your book. Can you give 113 00:05:30,420 --> 00:05:32,820 Speaker 4: us a little insight into what it took to get 114 00:05:32,820 --> 00:05:37,190 Speaker 4: his own corporate colleagues and superiors to buy as crazy 115 00:05:37,210 --> 00:05:39,710 Speaker 4: an idea as a sports car for America. 116 00:05:39,710 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 7: I think he was just a force. He just had 117 00:05:41,900 --> 00:05:44,750 Speaker 7: such an incredible passion I had the pleasure of meeting 118 00:05:44,750 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 7: with him several times and interviewed him not only for 119 00:05:48,260 --> 00:05:51,210 Speaker 7: my previous book but also speaking to him and several 120 00:05:51,210 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 7: of the Z cons and car shows. I mean he 121 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 7: was very passionate love people as they said in his 122 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 7: slogan Love life love people you couldn't not like him 123 00:06:00,350 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 7: I hate double negative. But the fact is is that 124 00:06:03,110 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 7: I believe that his passion and his persuasive skills were 125 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,210 Speaker 7: partially enough to demonstrate that he could sell this car 126 00:06:10,210 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 7: in United States. And I think that's what it took 127 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:17,510 Speaker 7: to convince his contemporaries his colleagues in Japan that if 128 00:06:17,630 --> 00:06:21,109 Speaker 7: he could have the opportunity to bring the Z here 129 00:06:21,110 --> 00:06:23,630 Speaker 7: in America he would show them that that was the 130 00:06:23,630 --> 00:06:25,820 Speaker 7: right car at the right time and he would be 131 00:06:25,820 --> 00:06:28,370 Speaker 7: successful with it. And they believed him. They were a 132 00:06:28,370 --> 00:06:32,390 Speaker 7: little skeptical his colleagues in Japan but they obviously invested 133 00:06:32,390 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 7: in the car and said OK now it's up to 134 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,050 Speaker 7: you and your colleagues to make sure that this happens 135 00:06:38,060 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 7: and it did. 136 00:06:39,110 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 4: Pete you're a marketing man so let's clear up the 137 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 4: name change. Now again today we call it a rebranding 138 00:06:44,750 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 4: but to me Nissan is always going to be dots. 139 00:06:47,450 --> 00:06:50,300 Speaker 6: Can you explain how the name change came about by 140 00:06:50,450 --> 00:06:53,450 Speaker 6: Nissan was always the corporate name always has been. Dotson 141 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 6: has a history of its own was used originally in 142 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:01,910 Speaker 6: Japan and then eventually through mergers and acquisitions. Other companies 143 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,540 Speaker 6: the corporation became Nissan and that was the name that 144 00:07:05,540 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 6: they utilized at least internationally Nissan wanted to brand their 145 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,100 Speaker 6: name Nissan around the world. They wanted to have one 146 00:07:13,100 --> 00:07:15,190 Speaker 6: name one brand and that makes total sense. 147 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 7: Why would you have three or four different brands around 148 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,670 Speaker 7: the world. So at some point in the late 70s 149 00:07:21,740 --> 00:07:25,130 Speaker 7: early 80s they said OK we need to brand our 150 00:07:25,130 --> 00:07:28,820 Speaker 7: companies name particularly in North America as Nissan. First it 151 00:07:28,820 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 7: was Nissan by Datsun and then it was dotted by Nissan. 152 00:07:32,030 --> 00:07:36,350 Speaker 7: Eventually the nameplate just became Nissan and Nissan assumed all 153 00:07:36,350 --> 00:07:39,890 Speaker 7: the cost of replacing all the sage at the dealerships 154 00:07:39,970 --> 00:07:42,470 Speaker 7: back to the business cards. I mean they invested many 155 00:07:42,470 --> 00:07:44,660 Speaker 7: millions of dollars to do this a lot of dealers 156 00:07:44,660 --> 00:07:46,980 Speaker 7: of course were very unhappy about this but for any 157 00:07:46,980 --> 00:07:50,330 Speaker 7: sign it was important to have one name one symbol 158 00:07:50,420 --> 00:07:54,230 Speaker 7: one identity. And from a marketing standpoint that make total sense. 159 00:07:54,230 --> 00:07:57,230 Speaker 4: Funnily enough peop it's always going to be Dotson to 160 00:07:57,230 --> 00:07:59,210 Speaker 4: me in the same way that till the day that 161 00:07:59,210 --> 00:08:01,580 Speaker 4: died my dad called me Bobby and there's just no 162 00:08:01,580 --> 00:08:03,710 Speaker 4: way around it. You grow up with a name and 163 00:08:03,710 --> 00:08:05,390 Speaker 4: that's what it's going to be. So for me and 164 00:08:05,390 --> 00:08:08,630 Speaker 4: you it's a Datsun to 40 see that car really 165 00:08:08,630 --> 00:08:11,660 Speaker 4: change the game entirely both in terms of looks and 166 00:08:11,660 --> 00:08:14,690 Speaker 4: power versus price launched here I guess in the U.S. 167 00:08:14,690 --> 00:08:17,510 Speaker 4: and 1970 is that right. That's right. Plenty interesting things 168 00:08:17,510 --> 00:08:20,420 Speaker 4: were happening back then. Ferrari Daytona was fresh on the 169 00:08:20,420 --> 00:08:24,100 Speaker 4: ground Porsche 911 was just making its way in motorsport 170 00:08:24,110 --> 00:08:26,390 Speaker 4: and in the public consciousness. And here we get the 171 00:08:26,390 --> 00:08:29,170 Speaker 4: Datsun 240 Z. All of a sudden coming in at 172 00:08:29,190 --> 00:08:31,070 Speaker 4: a fraction of the price of any of those what 173 00:08:31,070 --> 00:08:32,979 Speaker 4: was about thirty five hundred bucks at the time a 174 00:08:33,090 --> 00:08:34,550 Speaker 4: less than thirty five hundred dollars. 175 00:08:34,550 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 7: I mean it was a wonderful time if you were 176 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,810 Speaker 7: a automotive enthusiast and I was a teenager at the 177 00:08:38,809 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 7: time and it was just incredible for me to see 178 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,490 Speaker 7: all the cars out there I kept dragging my dad 179 00:08:43,490 --> 00:08:45,620 Speaker 7: to dealerships Dad. We got to see this car in 180 00:08:45,620 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 7: this car. I'd spent a lot of my childhood living overseas. 181 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,500 Speaker 7: My dad worked for the U.S. government and we had 182 00:08:51,500 --> 00:08:53,780 Speaker 7: just come back believe it or not from Iran. And 183 00:08:53,780 --> 00:08:56,540 Speaker 7: so we were in showrooms and looking at stuff. He 184 00:08:56,540 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 7: bought a Pinto. Come on. 185 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,820 Speaker 4: I mean seriously pent up well you know at the 186 00:09:01,820 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 4: time the Pinto or the Vega probably seemed like the 187 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,380 Speaker 4: right thing to do. But the two Ford easy was 188 00:09:06,380 --> 00:09:09,590 Speaker 4: definitely a cut above Oh yeah it's looks obviously really 189 00:09:09,620 --> 00:09:11,990 Speaker 4: defined as being a car that was something special it 190 00:09:11,990 --> 00:09:14,510 Speaker 4: really looked like a European sports car. Whether you think 191 00:09:14,510 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 4: of a Jaggi type or a Ferrari 275 it had 192 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,690 Speaker 4: all the proportions down. Who was the designer. Can you 193 00:09:20,690 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 4: talk about the design of that automobile. 194 00:09:22,730 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 8: You could start with you talk a cutie I'm a Mr. K.. 195 00:09:25,820 --> 00:09:28,510 Speaker 8: The other gentleman that you always have to say is 196 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,730 Speaker 8: so you see Collazo. He was the vice president on 197 00:09:31,730 --> 00:09:35,210 Speaker 8: the East Coast. He was also very responsible for selling 198 00:09:35,210 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 8: the cars on the East Coast. Takashi Ishihara was also 199 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:43,100 Speaker 8: involved with respect to selling the cars. Those gentlemen were 200 00:09:43,190 --> 00:09:47,510 Speaker 8: really necessary for being instrumental in making sure that this 201 00:09:47,510 --> 00:09:50,390 Speaker 8: car was brought to America. But with respect to the 202 00:09:50,390 --> 00:09:55,550 Speaker 8: designers the two designers started in early 1965. Their names 203 00:09:55,550 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 8: were Yoshiko Matsuo and his boss was teaching Hara. And 204 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 8: those two gentlemen were basically responsible for the design they 205 00:10:04,490 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 8: oversaw most of the development of passenger cars and trucks 206 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:11,900 Speaker 8: and vans. What was then Nissan in Japan. Mr. Matsuo 207 00:10:11,929 --> 00:10:15,380 Speaker 8: really is credited with the design of the cars weren't 208 00:10:15,410 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 8: just beautiful. 209 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,260 Speaker 4: They actually had a really great engine and it was 210 00:10:18,260 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 4: an inline six that served them well in competition too. 211 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 4: Can you talk about the race history of those cars 212 00:10:23,929 --> 00:10:26,750 Speaker 4: early on the Ari was racing on the West Coast. 213 00:10:26,780 --> 00:10:29,930 Speaker 7: They first ran the fairly lady the sixteen hundred and 214 00:10:29,929 --> 00:10:33,590 Speaker 7: the 2000 the Roadster Brock and Katayama developed a very 215 00:10:33,590 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 7: close relationship. Cody amo was a huge race and King 216 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,620 Speaker 7: goes many West Coast races as he could and so 217 00:10:39,650 --> 00:10:42,530 Speaker 7: with driver John Morton who actually wrote the introduction to 218 00:10:42,530 --> 00:10:45,530 Speaker 7: my first book. Both of those gentlemen. They formed a 219 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 7: partnership between driver and owner that was just cemented together. 220 00:10:49,700 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 7: They went and tore up the SPCA and scored countless 221 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:57,380 Speaker 7: victories and championships and really added an element of credibility 222 00:10:57,380 --> 00:10:59,540 Speaker 7: to the car to show. Not only was it a 223 00:10:59,540 --> 00:11:02,990 Speaker 7: great performer but a bullet proof engine that straight sex 224 00:11:03,020 --> 00:11:06,350 Speaker 7: was a powerful motor and really was chewing up the 225 00:11:06,350 --> 00:11:09,619 Speaker 7: competition on the racetrack. And that really translated to a 226 00:11:09,620 --> 00:11:12,589 Speaker 7: lot of advertising showing that that was the same motor 227 00:11:12,590 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 7: that you could purchase in the showroom on the East Coast. 228 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 7: Bob Sharpe with Bob Sharp racing. He was racing himself 229 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,980 Speaker 7: first and then we started adding drivers like Paul Newman. 230 00:11:21,980 --> 00:11:25,130 Speaker 7: Paul Newman never went by his name Paul Newman on 231 00:11:25,130 --> 00:11:27,380 Speaker 7: the race card generally was Paul Newman. I had the 232 00:11:27,380 --> 00:11:29,569 Speaker 7: pleasure of meeting him several times when he ran the 233 00:11:29,570 --> 00:11:33,230 Speaker 7: Trans Am in the 1980s I worked for SPCA pro 234 00:11:33,230 --> 00:11:36,410 Speaker 7: racing at the time based out of Denver Colorado. And 235 00:11:36,410 --> 00:11:39,410 Speaker 7: one of my responsibilities was the trans am and Newman 236 00:11:39,410 --> 00:11:42,020 Speaker 7: ran that horse racing effort of course was first class 237 00:11:42,020 --> 00:11:44,660 Speaker 7: all the way big tractor trailer with Newman sharp racing 238 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,570 Speaker 7: and he'd roll out those turbo 300 Zee Xs and 239 00:11:47,570 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 7: everybody was just always in Newman. He took his racing 240 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 7: very seriously and those cars were incredible. Newman won a 241 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,359 Speaker 7: race his only pro race at his home track which 242 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 7: was Lime Rock Park and you couldn't shut the man 243 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,610 Speaker 7: up normally he was very quiet kept a very low profile. 244 00:12:01,610 --> 00:12:04,069 Speaker 8: The racetrack but that particular day when he won he 245 00:12:04,070 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 8: was just itching to tell everybody his life story and 246 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,189 Speaker 8: everything about racing. How important it was but the credibility 247 00:12:10,190 --> 00:12:13,130 Speaker 8: that he added as a racer that Bob Sharpe added 248 00:12:13,220 --> 00:12:15,590 Speaker 8: both in the average ranks and then in the pro 249 00:12:15,590 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 8: ranks and they brought in a lot of sponsorship Budweiser 250 00:12:18,580 --> 00:12:23,310 Speaker 8: Coca-Cola Planters Peanuts that helped with advertising and helped exposure 251 00:12:23,330 --> 00:12:26,359 Speaker 8: level for Nissan but that trickled down and then a 252 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,660 Speaker 8: lot of other competitors started running. Dotson do for disease 253 00:12:29,660 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 8: to 60s to 80s through hundreds in all levels of 254 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,870 Speaker 8: racing Nissan's motorsports department I ended up working for them 255 00:12:35,870 --> 00:12:38,740 Speaker 8: in the 90s first under Kastner who ran the program. 256 00:12:38,750 --> 00:12:41,390 Speaker 8: He had worked with TR six years and really got 257 00:12:41,390 --> 00:12:44,719 Speaker 8: involved with Nissan and then Frank consulates took over when 258 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:49,230 Speaker 8: Carson retired and Frank ran that department for twenty seven years. 259 00:12:49,250 --> 00:12:53,150 Speaker 8: So motorsports was really instrumental and a big part of 260 00:12:53,270 --> 00:12:56,689 Speaker 8: Nissan's legacy and in helping sell a lot of vehicles. 261 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,670 Speaker 4: It certainly was an enduring design because the 240 C 262 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,890 Speaker 4: lasted 73 73. It was quickly supplanted by a slightly 263 00:13:03,890 --> 00:13:07,220 Speaker 4: larger displacement version called the 260 which only lasted for 264 00:13:07,220 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 4: a year right. That's correct. And then onto the 280. 265 00:13:09,740 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 7: There's some debate as to why the 260 was only 266 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,890 Speaker 7: one year. It really seems to be one that they 267 00:13:15,890 --> 00:13:18,980 Speaker 7: kept in there just as a shoehorn before they went 268 00:13:18,980 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 7: to the two 80 which was a larger displacement a 269 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,949 Speaker 7: little bit more refined. They also had to adhere to 270 00:13:24,950 --> 00:13:28,579 Speaker 7: more emissions control so there were some decisions made in 271 00:13:28,580 --> 00:13:31,490 Speaker 7: Japan to put a 260 in there. And again back 272 00:13:31,490 --> 00:13:34,670 Speaker 7: to marketing I think that they designed that car or 273 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,910 Speaker 7: released that car with a different model number simply to 274 00:13:37,970 --> 00:13:40,550 Speaker 7: create demand or the fact that hey this is a 275 00:13:40,550 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 7: new car. It could be of interest to you but 276 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,189 Speaker 7: we're working very earnestly towards it 2 8 but the 277 00:13:46,190 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 7: three hundred six that was a whole different car there 278 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,830 Speaker 7: was a previous three energy X which was still kind 279 00:13:51,830 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 7: of shaped like the original to Ford that came out 280 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,530 Speaker 7: in the mid to late 80s. So that 306. It 281 00:13:57,530 --> 00:14:01,550 Speaker 7: had slightly hidden headlights but when the new three energy 282 00:14:01,550 --> 00:14:03,590 Speaker 7: X came out they kept the same nameplate which I 283 00:14:03,590 --> 00:14:06,260 Speaker 7: thought that was kind of strange. They might have changed 284 00:14:06,260 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 7: the nameplate because the car was completely changed such a 285 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 7: sweeping difference to the look. 286 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 4: I remember when that launched my buddy bought one in 287 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 4: 1990 I bought a new Corera at the time and 288 00:14:16,790 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 4: he bought a new Z X between the two cars 289 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,890 Speaker 4: we trade them off and I thought that 306 was 290 00:14:21,890 --> 00:14:24,290 Speaker 4: really one hell of a car and an exquisite shape 291 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 4: that actually as a design holds up today impeccably. That 292 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,130 Speaker 4: car is as refined to look now as it was 293 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 4: when it was first introduced 30 years ago. Help us 294 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 4: put it into context Pete Renault and Nissan started to 295 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,700 Speaker 4: get together. I guess there's a real close relationship between 296 00:14:40,700 --> 00:14:43,370 Speaker 4: the French and the Japanese companies that allowed both of 297 00:14:43,370 --> 00:14:46,220 Speaker 4: them to sort of join ranks and create a stronger 298 00:14:46,310 --> 00:14:47,630 Speaker 4: brand for both companies right. 299 00:14:47,630 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 7: I worked at least on at the time and Nissan 300 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,270 Speaker 7: was kind of going through kind of a downward spiral 301 00:14:53,300 --> 00:14:54,890 Speaker 7: and I don't mean that in a negative way it 302 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:58,340 Speaker 7: was just that they were having some financial difficulties some problems. 303 00:14:58,340 --> 00:15:01,310 Speaker 7: The frontier was the replacement truck for the old hard body. 304 00:15:01,310 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 7: It did not take off as well as they had hoped. 305 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 7: Keep in mind that the Zee had been discontinued. I 306 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 7: was actually running the Z store for Nissan at the 307 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,650 Speaker 7: time the Zi store of course was the program where 308 00:15:12,650 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 7: we were restoring original to 40 seats and I was 309 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,250 Speaker 7: running it kind of on a shoestring but bless Nissan 310 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,359 Speaker 7: they were at least funding that. But there wasn't a 311 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 7: lot of marketing money because budgets were being cut. So 312 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 7: my son was looking for a partner. And along came 313 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:30,620 Speaker 7: Renault and this was about 1998 when it happened and 314 00:15:30,620 --> 00:15:33,470 Speaker 7: we got a message on everybody's desk when we came 315 00:15:33,470 --> 00:15:35,930 Speaker 7: to work one day that said Nissan is going to 316 00:15:36,060 --> 00:15:39,990 Speaker 7: partner with Renault we have a new automotive family and 317 00:15:39,990 --> 00:15:42,990 Speaker 7: that's really when things got a little different. It didn't 318 00:15:42,990 --> 00:15:45,870 Speaker 7: really affect any of us in terms of our positions 319 00:15:45,870 --> 00:15:49,140 Speaker 7: but it was the partnership that they needed. Quite honestly 320 00:15:49,140 --> 00:15:52,890 Speaker 7: the cash infusion that they needed maybe the stability that 321 00:15:52,890 --> 00:15:55,770 Speaker 7: they needed but it really kept Nissan on the playing 322 00:15:55,770 --> 00:15:56,460 Speaker 7: field if you will. 323 00:15:56,460 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 4: That's an interesting history and proof that so many OEMs 324 00:15:59,940 --> 00:16:03,060 Speaker 4: major brands really need to partner and have strength in 325 00:16:03,060 --> 00:16:06,420 Speaker 4: numbers that allow them to really become families of cars 326 00:16:06,420 --> 00:16:08,130 Speaker 4: as opposed to individual brands. 327 00:16:08,130 --> 00:16:10,050 Speaker 3: Look at Volkswagen Group and the fact that they own 328 00:16:10,050 --> 00:16:14,250 Speaker 3: everybody from Skoda to the gods. And similarly other affiliations 329 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 3: that have made all of the products stronger by virtue 330 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,020 Speaker 3: of that. I agree we're going to take a quick 331 00:16:19,020 --> 00:16:24,450 Speaker 3: break but we'll be right back Welcome to life. 332 00:16:24,460 --> 00:16:25,420 Speaker 9: Done better. 333 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,930 Speaker 10: Listen to the weekly episodes where supermodel and health coach 334 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,530 Speaker 10: Jill DeYoung talks to some of the world's most inspiring 335 00:16:32,530 --> 00:16:36,700 Speaker 10: women in health and wellness. It's the place for all 336 00:16:36,700 --> 00:16:40,210 Speaker 10: the unicorns who strive to create a life on their 337 00:16:40,210 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 10: own terms. Join us to explore discover and create a 338 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 10: life done better. 339 00:16:46,510 --> 00:16:51,850 Speaker 9: Together. 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Keith let's switch topics a little. 342 00:16:58,690 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 11: I think it'll be impossible to talk about the Zee 343 00:17:01,450 --> 00:17:03,340 Speaker 11: without talking about the GDR. 344 00:17:03,460 --> 00:17:05,949 Speaker 7: Coincidentally I guess both cars are 50 years old in 345 00:17:05,950 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 7: 2020 and both of those are managed by Hiroshi Tamura 346 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,139 Speaker 7: the gentleman we talked about at the beginning of our 347 00:17:11,140 --> 00:17:15,490 Speaker 7: podcast tomorrow sun is kind of Mr. GDR and Mr. 348 00:17:15,540 --> 00:17:19,170 Speaker 7: Zheng He is the caretaker if you will of both cars. 349 00:17:19,180 --> 00:17:21,609 Speaker 7: His goal is to make sure that each one of 350 00:17:21,609 --> 00:17:24,820 Speaker 7: those has a future long after he has retired from 351 00:17:24,820 --> 00:17:28,780 Speaker 7: the company. Godzilla as we all refer to the GDR 352 00:17:28,869 --> 00:17:32,169 Speaker 7: is a remarkable vehicle in terms of power in terms 353 00:17:32,170 --> 00:17:36,219 Speaker 7: of its awesomeness and certainly it is the halo brand 354 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:40,179 Speaker 7: of Nissan. Whereas the Zee is the face of Nissan 355 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 7: the GDR is this way up here Halo aspirational vehicle. 356 00:17:44,690 --> 00:17:46,430 Speaker 4: It's an amazing car. I think I drove my first 357 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,209 Speaker 4: GTA in 2007 right when they came out and I've 358 00:17:49,210 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 4: driven them successively and then every model upgrade and it's 359 00:17:52,450 --> 00:17:55,690 Speaker 4: a car that has a distinct personality. Godzilla certainly one 360 00:17:55,690 --> 00:17:58,450 Speaker 4: of them but it can also be a fairly tame Dr. 361 00:17:58,450 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 4: Jekyll and not always a Mr. Hyde. I mean the 362 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,500 Speaker 4: car is actually a car you can drive at a 363 00:18:02,500 --> 00:18:05,530 Speaker 4: remarkable achievement in terms of performance and all of that 364 00:18:05,530 --> 00:18:08,830 Speaker 4: relative to its price which while not inexpensive is at 365 00:18:08,830 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 4: least within the realm of consideration for mere mortals. The 366 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,010 Speaker 4: Zipcar of course much more so in recent years it's 367 00:18:15,010 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 4: changed its look and its feel. I see recent. Really 368 00:18:17,950 --> 00:18:20,230 Speaker 4: I'm thinking all the way back to 2002 which I 369 00:18:20,230 --> 00:18:22,090 Speaker 4: guess doesn't make it that recent at all but that's 370 00:18:22,090 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 4: when the 350 CE came out and that was a 371 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:27,430 Speaker 4: whole new look catapulted the Zee into the 21st century. 372 00:18:27,460 --> 00:18:30,100 Speaker 4: How did that car take off and how successful was that. 373 00:18:30,100 --> 00:18:33,260 Speaker 6: Do you remember the movie with Kevin Costner. Field of Dreams. 374 00:18:33,310 --> 00:18:35,500 Speaker 6: There was this saying that if he builds it they 375 00:18:35,500 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 6: will come here one day on our desks. When we 376 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,510 Speaker 6: came to work and this was always a big thing 377 00:18:40,510 --> 00:18:42,609 Speaker 6: at any side is that there was always some kind 378 00:18:42,609 --> 00:18:45,820 Speaker 6: of symbolism tied to a big announcement so on our 379 00:18:45,820 --> 00:18:48,550 Speaker 6: desk in the morning was a baseball and the baseball 380 00:18:48,580 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 6: said we will build it. And that was a sign 381 00:18:51,550 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 6: that the new Z was kind of. And that was 382 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,730 Speaker 6: in 2000 when it finally showed up in 2002. 383 00:18:56,740 --> 00:19:00,090 Speaker 7: The three goals that were inherent in building the doozy 384 00:19:00,100 --> 00:19:03,129 Speaker 7: was that it would be powerful it would be unique 385 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,770 Speaker 7: and it would be affordable. One of the factors that 386 00:19:05,770 --> 00:19:09,369 Speaker 7: led to the demise of the 300 X back in 387 00:19:09,369 --> 00:19:12,550 Speaker 7: 1996 was that it had become unaffordable. It was a 388 00:19:12,550 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 7: costly car sales and trickled down quite a bit. The 389 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:19,090 Speaker 7: New Jersey in 2002 had been calculated had been price 390 00:19:19,090 --> 00:19:21,780 Speaker 7: had been built with a sales price or an MSR 391 00:19:21,780 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 7: P that was within the realm of a new audience 392 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,669 Speaker 7: that really could afford it. And it was designed with 393 00:19:27,670 --> 00:19:30,429 Speaker 7: enough power that it would be able to compete with 394 00:19:30,490 --> 00:19:32,590 Speaker 7: whatever it was on the market at that time. It 395 00:19:32,590 --> 00:19:35,590 Speaker 7: was a 911 tape bill but it was a great 396 00:19:35,590 --> 00:19:39,190 Speaker 7: car with a very distinctive look. It was lighter shorter smaller. 397 00:19:39,190 --> 00:19:41,790 Speaker 7: Those are the characteristics that we were trying to achieve. 398 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,410 Speaker 7: So it was built it was ready. It was launched 399 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,990 Speaker 7: and it was with great fanfare that the car came 400 00:19:46,990 --> 00:19:49,150 Speaker 7: out and that car soldiered on for quite a while 401 00:19:49,150 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 7: I guess. 402 00:19:49,540 --> 00:19:52,869 Speaker 4: What 2009 it got replaced with the 370 DC and 403 00:19:52,869 --> 00:19:55,419 Speaker 4: that's essentially the nameplate that we have today. 404 00:19:55,420 --> 00:19:59,110 Speaker 7: The idea was to launch the car in 2002 with 405 00:19:59,109 --> 00:20:02,290 Speaker 7: a new name but keep the same soul. And then 406 00:20:02,290 --> 00:20:06,010 Speaker 7: that car lasted until 2009 when the 370 new name 407 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 7: came out with more horsepower slightly modified in terms of 408 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,220 Speaker 7: the look but still retaining kind of the same stance 409 00:20:12,250 --> 00:20:17,510 Speaker 7: the same silhouette but with new modifications new upgrades new technology. 410 00:20:17,650 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 4: Well the fiftieth anniversary edition of the 370 Zee I 411 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,590 Speaker 4: guess is the cap on a half century of success 412 00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:25,719 Speaker 4: for that model. But I know there's one call the 413 00:20:25,730 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 4: new smo and that's been a name that's been attached 414 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 4: to some of the super high performance names songs for 415 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 4: a while. 416 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 7: Can you explain to us what these mo means Miss 417 00:20:32,470 --> 00:20:36,550 Speaker 7: Mo stands for Nissan motorsports. It's their high performance brand. 418 00:20:36,609 --> 00:20:39,310 Speaker 7: It's their high performance parts division. They make a lot 419 00:20:39,310 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 7: of money obviously selling high performance parts. So Nimmo itself 420 00:20:43,420 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 7: the car is a compilation of their high performance parts 421 00:20:47,290 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 7: integrated if you will into a special car. 422 00:20:50,109 --> 00:20:51,970 Speaker 4: They look pretty remarkable I guess if you want to 423 00:20:51,970 --> 00:20:54,490 Speaker 4: check all the boxes you order yourself a 3 7 424 00:20:54,510 --> 00:20:58,090 Speaker 4: Daisy Nesmith and you've got the fiftieth anniversary edition that 425 00:20:58,180 --> 00:21:00,940 Speaker 4: is going to be quite collectible going forward. Speaking of 426 00:21:00,940 --> 00:21:04,330 Speaker 4: going forward what do you think Tim Morrison envisions for 427 00:21:04,330 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 4: the future of the Zee nameplate. 428 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,649 Speaker 7: I spoke to him just a couple of days ago actually. 429 00:21:08,660 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 7: He's very excited about the Z promo as they call it. 430 00:21:11,619 --> 00:21:14,230 Speaker 7: It's going to take probably another two years before the 431 00:21:14,230 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 7: car actually sees the showroom. Obviously the sooner the better. 432 00:21:17,890 --> 00:21:19,869 Speaker 7: His goal is to have the car come out with 433 00:21:19,869 --> 00:21:23,590 Speaker 7: a twin turbo 60 manual which will be wonderful. What 434 00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 7: are the only manuals left in the world by then 435 00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:27,850 Speaker 7: it will come with an automatic as well it's an 436 00:21:27,850 --> 00:21:31,540 Speaker 7: option but it's got so many components that bring a 437 00:21:31,540 --> 00:21:35,860 Speaker 7: full circle between both the 240 and and then Alphonso 438 00:21:35,869 --> 00:21:38,379 Speaker 7: the also who is the head of design. His first 439 00:21:38,410 --> 00:21:40,810 Speaker 7: he was the 300 g x and it had such 440 00:21:40,810 --> 00:21:43,179 Speaker 7: an impact on him that he wanted to incorporate a 441 00:21:43,180 --> 00:21:45,100 Speaker 7: lot of the impact of that car. So that's why 442 00:21:45,100 --> 00:21:48,010 Speaker 7: you see the tail lights from the 306 in the 443 00:21:48,100 --> 00:21:51,500 Speaker 7: new Z prototype the hood and the edges of the car. 444 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,010 Speaker 7: It has a katana blade which goes back to the 445 00:21:54,010 --> 00:21:56,890 Speaker 7: heritage of the Samurai soldier. But the thing that I 446 00:21:56,890 --> 00:21:59,859 Speaker 7: always feel is so critical is that the three dials 447 00:21:59,859 --> 00:22:02,260 Speaker 7: on the dash. And that's something that they have maintained 448 00:22:02,290 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 7: all along. And to me that represents a big part 449 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:06,590 Speaker 7: of the heritage of 246. 450 00:22:06,670 --> 00:22:08,770 Speaker 4: Well we'll talk about the future of the nameplate. That 451 00:22:08,770 --> 00:22:11,530 Speaker 4: sounds like it's position for another 50 years if we're 452 00:22:11,530 --> 00:22:13,870 Speaker 4: all driving by then. But let's look back on some 453 00:22:13,869 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 4: of the older cars again and talk about the collector market. 454 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,540 Speaker 4: I know you were involved in the vintage Z project 455 00:22:19,540 --> 00:22:23,379 Speaker 4: in Japanese cars across the board not just Dodson's Nissans 456 00:22:23,410 --> 00:22:28,570 Speaker 4: Toyota's Hondas monsters. They're all very very collectible now those 457 00:22:28,570 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 4: cars from the early era. They've really kind of taken 458 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 4: off among younger collectors and maybe some older guys to 459 00:22:33,930 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 4: it among these cars the 240 see is probably one 460 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:40,150 Speaker 4: of the linchpins of any Japanese car collection. Talk about 461 00:22:40,150 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 4: some of the models the most desirable ones special additions. 462 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 4: Can you explain what fair lady really is and covered 463 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,109 Speaker 4: the headlights versus the uncovered headlights and all the stuff 464 00:22:50,140 --> 00:22:52,060 Speaker 4: that we see that I always wonder about. 465 00:22:52,060 --> 00:22:54,940 Speaker 7: Fair Lady The name came from the fact that my 466 00:22:54,940 --> 00:22:58,179 Speaker 7: fair lady was a great theatrical performance. It was a 467 00:22:58,180 --> 00:23:01,030 Speaker 7: play and the president of Nissan in Japan at the time. 468 00:23:01,030 --> 00:23:03,790 Speaker 7: Loved the play and he wanted to use that name 469 00:23:03,790 --> 00:23:07,980 Speaker 7: for his upcoming line of cars. That's how it started. 470 00:23:08,020 --> 00:23:10,449 Speaker 7: And instead of saying My Fair Lady they just used 471 00:23:10,450 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 7: fairly always and that's something obviously they had to get 472 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,100 Speaker 7: the rights to use the name but that's how the 473 00:23:15,100 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 7: car at least the sports car and it goes back 474 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,740 Speaker 7: in 1960 where they first started applying that to their 475 00:23:20,740 --> 00:23:23,770 Speaker 7: original rag top although Mr. K. said that isn't going 476 00:23:23,770 --> 00:23:26,830 Speaker 7: to work the United States. It's just not masculine enough 477 00:23:26,830 --> 00:23:30,430 Speaker 7: for the American consumer. So he fought long and hard 478 00:23:30,430 --> 00:23:34,150 Speaker 7: for the name 240 Z which was obviously reflective of 479 00:23:34,150 --> 00:23:37,570 Speaker 7: the displacement of the. And then you mentioned covered lights 480 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,830 Speaker 7: versus open scoops. There's also the Geno's which is the 481 00:23:41,859 --> 00:23:44,590 Speaker 7: covered nose again some of these are rare. Some of 482 00:23:44,590 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 7: these are Japanese only the Geno's was really mostly a 483 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,670 Speaker 7: Japanese product. There are some that have a little spoiler 484 00:23:51,670 --> 00:23:54,150 Speaker 7: on the back there some that have spoilers on the front. 485 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,709 Speaker 7: Most of those came from the parts been from the 486 00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:59,650 Speaker 7: racing program and you could order some of these accessories. 487 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,970 Speaker 7: But honestly the cars started becoming more collectible in the 488 00:24:03,970 --> 00:24:07,730 Speaker 7: last five to seven years up to that point disease 489 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:12,430 Speaker 7: really weren't generating a whole lot of return. Other Japanese 490 00:24:12,430 --> 00:24:15,939 Speaker 7: cars were more desirable. You mentioned the two thousand GTD 491 00:24:15,940 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 7: the Toyota that cars skyrocketed probably in some respect because 492 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,570 Speaker 7: they featured in the James Bond movie all cars that 493 00:24:22,570 --> 00:24:25,300 Speaker 7: feature in James Bond movies for whatever reason seem to 494 00:24:25,300 --> 00:24:28,310 Speaker 7: have a certain value ascribed to them except my Z3 495 00:24:30,290 --> 00:24:32,859 Speaker 7: and the lotus. But that car seemed to have a 496 00:24:32,859 --> 00:24:36,100 Speaker 7: certain value. Other cars that have really mushroomed in the 497 00:24:36,100 --> 00:24:39,439 Speaker 7: last few years the supra the original. What is it 498 00:24:39,460 --> 00:24:43,780 Speaker 7: land cruiser. That car has really increased in value. Those 499 00:24:43,780 --> 00:24:46,450 Speaker 7: are the cars that I would see have value. But 500 00:24:46,450 --> 00:24:49,210 Speaker 7: really all of a sudden the Zipcar and I'm proud 501 00:24:49,210 --> 00:24:51,210 Speaker 7: to say the ones that we made a Disney star. 502 00:24:51,220 --> 00:24:55,060 Speaker 7: These are now called the restoration zis have really increased 503 00:24:55,060 --> 00:24:57,610 Speaker 7: in value because we only need 38 of them. And 504 00:24:57,609 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 7: so they're all basically hand built Piers Z made a 505 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,660 Speaker 7: number of them here and author Mark Jones made a 506 00:25:04,660 --> 00:25:07,659 Speaker 7: bunch of them in Signal Hill dot Sonali and we 507 00:25:07,660 --> 00:25:10,360 Speaker 7: had two other less Kennedy made one or two and 508 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,180 Speaker 7: a couple of folks old car design made too. These 509 00:25:13,180 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 7: cars were all hand built. We took all of these. 510 00:25:15,790 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 7: I bought all of them all 240 zis locally paid 511 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,700 Speaker 7: two thousand three thousand for them and then we restored 512 00:25:21,700 --> 00:25:24,970 Speaker 7: them all on a rotisserie all new body completely down 513 00:25:24,970 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 7: to the metal dipped to some extent that we could 514 00:25:27,700 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 7: we bought a new wiring I mean we did a 515 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 7: complete restoration. 516 00:25:30,850 --> 00:25:33,070 Speaker 4: I remember when that program came out I was really 517 00:25:33,070 --> 00:25:37,510 Speaker 4: impressed that a manufacturer would actually undertake such a heartfelt 518 00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:40,870 Speaker 4: project under their own wing and that they regarded their 519 00:25:40,869 --> 00:25:43,630 Speaker 4: history as being so significant that they wanted to get 520 00:25:43,630 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 4: these cars back to perfect condition and back on the road. 521 00:25:46,590 --> 00:25:48,730 Speaker 7: You know Robert it was heartfelt but was also again 522 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 7: a marketing decision. Keep in mind that the 306 had 523 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,230 Speaker 7: just been discontinued in 1996. We did the Z program 524 00:25:56,230 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 7: for two reasons one. We keep the name Zee fresh 525 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 7: in people's minds because we anticipated at some point that 526 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,450 Speaker 7: we would have a new Z. We didn't know when. 527 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,909 Speaker 7: So the idea was to keep the Z in the 528 00:26:06,910 --> 00:26:09,939 Speaker 7: minds of people and we had an accompanying marketing program 529 00:26:09,970 --> 00:26:12,730 Speaker 7: with heavy advertising and all the buzz books. We also 530 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,189 Speaker 7: did a lot of PR. We built a press car 531 00:26:15,220 --> 00:26:18,129 Speaker 7: that saw a lot of miles being driven by a 532 00:26:18,130 --> 00:26:20,109 Speaker 7: lot of journalists. And then the other thing was that 533 00:26:20,109 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 7: we had to protect the trademark. I'll tell you right 534 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,630 Speaker 7: now that a certain manufacturer that makes another Z based 535 00:26:25,630 --> 00:26:28,990 Speaker 7: car tried to pursue the trademark saying that the Z 536 00:26:28,990 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 7: in America was no longer being used therefore they wanted 537 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,869 Speaker 7: to take control of the Z trademark. So was both 538 00:26:34,869 --> 00:26:37,540 Speaker 7: a legal and a marketing decision to do this. It 539 00:26:37,540 --> 00:26:40,300 Speaker 7: paid off for us in terms of keeping this bridge 540 00:26:40,330 --> 00:26:42,730 Speaker 7: between the old Z and the new one which we 541 00:26:42,730 --> 00:26:47,470 Speaker 7: announced obviously in 2000. That four year span was important 542 00:26:47,470 --> 00:26:50,350 Speaker 7: for Nissan but it was very heartfelt because it was 543 00:26:50,350 --> 00:26:52,990 Speaker 7: important for all of us to build the car. At 544 00:26:52,990 --> 00:26:56,409 Speaker 7: one point in the employee parking lot I probably had 545 00:26:56,410 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 7: 50 old uses. Of course they were all exposed and 546 00:27:00,190 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 7: then somebody from H.R. said you need to cover those cars. 547 00:27:03,010 --> 00:27:05,470 Speaker 7: So we nicely covered them all up and then eventually 548 00:27:05,470 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 7: we had to move them. 549 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,350 Speaker 4: That's funny. Well Pete it sounds like it was a 550 00:27:08,350 --> 00:27:11,830 Speaker 4: great project. Obviously you focused on two 4-D. So those 551 00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:14,170 Speaker 4: first four years of production. Is that right. You didn't 552 00:27:14,170 --> 00:27:15,130 Speaker 4: do later cars. 553 00:27:15,130 --> 00:27:18,330 Speaker 7: We actually didn't build Sony 73 years because the 73 554 00:27:18,340 --> 00:27:20,409 Speaker 7: I didn't really want to build. That was the first 555 00:27:20,410 --> 00:27:23,050 Speaker 7: year of their mission changes so I really focused from 556 00:27:23,050 --> 00:27:23,990 Speaker 7: 70 to 72. 557 00:27:24,070 --> 00:27:27,070 Speaker 4: So from 70 71 and 72 that's the car that 558 00:27:27,070 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 4: a collector would want to look for in terms of 559 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 4: the emissions and in terms of the purity of the 560 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 4: design of the bumpers and all that kind of good stuff. 561 00:27:33,940 --> 00:27:37,869 Speaker 7: Those early zis in any UN restored original Z. Anything 562 00:27:37,869 --> 00:27:39,630 Speaker 7: that Mr. Kay has kind of touched. 563 00:27:39,670 --> 00:27:43,500 Speaker 11: Those cars have really escalated in the marketplace now and 564 00:27:43,510 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 11: I suspect that the cars are not going to get 565 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,169 Speaker 11: any less desirable as time goes on. They are we're 566 00:27:48,310 --> 00:27:50,050 Speaker 11: going to take a short break but we'll be right 567 00:27:50,050 --> 00:27:54,190 Speaker 11: back in a moment of your time. 568 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 12: A new podcast from critical media. 569 00:27:57,010 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 9: Currently 21 years on and today like magic read a 570 00:28:00,790 --> 00:28:03,370 Speaker 9: from her fingertips down to the blood to take care 571 00:28:03,369 --> 00:28:06,100 Speaker 9: of yourself because the world needs you. 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We never will. 578 00:28:21,910 --> 00:28:24,460 Speaker 13: We just find the beauty of rock climbing is that 579 00:28:24,460 --> 00:28:26,859 Speaker 13: he can only focus on what's right in life. 580 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,510 Speaker 6: And so our American life begins. 581 00:28:30,609 --> 00:28:33,850 Speaker 12: We may need to stay apart but let's create together 582 00:28:34,270 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 12: available on our podcast platforms. Submit your piece at Kirkham 583 00:28:38,890 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 12: slash a moment of your time. 584 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,070 Speaker 14: Welcome back. Cars that matter what's in your garage. You 585 00:28:47,070 --> 00:28:48,260 Speaker 14: have a zip in your garage. 586 00:28:48,300 --> 00:28:51,390 Speaker 7: I don't right now. I've had three in the past. 587 00:28:51,390 --> 00:28:53,910 Speaker 7: I've had a 240. I was in the publishing business 588 00:28:54,030 --> 00:28:56,270 Speaker 7: out of grad school and had a company car in 589 00:28:56,270 --> 00:28:59,630 Speaker 7: which was a 286 Turbo. I lived in Denver Colorado. 590 00:28:59,670 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 7: It snows in Denver an incredible amount and I had 591 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 7: to put kitty litter in the back because that car 592 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,750 Speaker 7: just went nuts in the snow. But that was my 593 00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:09,660 Speaker 7: company car which was a wonderful car. I also had 594 00:29:09,660 --> 00:29:12,630 Speaker 7: a 300. I worked for Steve Millen before I worked 595 00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:14,860 Speaker 7: for Nissan. It was the fact that I work for Millen. 596 00:29:14,900 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 7: That got me hired by Nissan. We built a tribute 597 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 7: car for the 25th anniversary of Nissan Z which we 598 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,630 Speaker 7: called the SMG and had a different aerodynamic look and 599 00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:27,390 Speaker 7: big brakes. You know common tires it really was a 600 00:29:27,390 --> 00:29:29,740 Speaker 7: nice nice car. And I had a z then so 601 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,470 Speaker 7: I did three I don't have one now but I 602 00:29:31,470 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 7: really would like to get one of the new disease 603 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,970 Speaker 7: that comes out. What's in my garage right now. I've 604 00:29:35,970 --> 00:29:39,330 Speaker 7: got a 63 Corvair which is the one that was 605 00:29:39,330 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 7: in a movie called Zodiac but that from the studio 606 00:29:42,030 --> 00:29:45,540 Speaker 7: I've got a sixty five grand cherokee just pristine. I've 607 00:29:45,540 --> 00:29:49,410 Speaker 7: got a 65 Thunderbird special Lando. I have a 66 608 00:29:49,410 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 7: Mustang convertible and I have a 73 triumph TR 6 609 00:29:54,510 --> 00:29:58,950 Speaker 7: and then I have a 2015 Camaro to SS and Audi. 610 00:29:58,950 --> 00:30:00,959 Speaker 4: All right boy you've got quite a stable there and 611 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,180 Speaker 4: there's a lot of great American iron for a fellow 612 00:30:03,180 --> 00:30:05,970 Speaker 4: who's an expert on Japanese cars. I think you're definitely 613 00:30:05,970 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 4: waving the flag for General Motors and a little bit 614 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,470 Speaker 4: of Ford here and there. I know that's a nice 615 00:30:10,470 --> 00:30:12,510 Speaker 4: collection of cars. And of course the Corvette is a 616 00:30:12,510 --> 00:30:14,670 Speaker 4: bit of an outlier another car that doesn't get all 617 00:30:14,670 --> 00:30:18,290 Speaker 4: the respect that's due for being such a forward thinking design. 618 00:30:18,290 --> 00:30:20,550 Speaker 7: Yeah. I love the Corvette. My dad had a Corvette. 619 00:30:20,580 --> 00:30:24,210 Speaker 7: So my dad loved rearranging cars. Had to Renault dolphins. 620 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,010 Speaker 4: Oh good heavens. Well you don't see those on the 621 00:30:26,010 --> 00:30:26,610 Speaker 4: road anymore. 622 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,770 Speaker 7: And then he had a Corvair. So I don't know 623 00:30:28,770 --> 00:30:31,020 Speaker 7: why you liked rearranging cars but then I ended up 624 00:30:31,020 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 7: buying one too because they are fun to drive. 625 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 4: That's why there's nothing more fun and sometimes surprising than 626 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 4: the rear engine car. But when it comes to classic 627 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,990 Speaker 4: looks and style I think it's hard to beat the 628 00:30:42,990 --> 00:30:44,820 Speaker 4: two Ford easy especially when you put it in the 629 00:30:44,820 --> 00:30:47,490 Speaker 4: context of the early 70s and you see what was 630 00:30:47,490 --> 00:30:50,460 Speaker 4: happening to automotive designs then you can put that car 631 00:30:50,460 --> 00:30:53,550 Speaker 4: up side by side with any type or any Ferrari 632 00:30:53,610 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 4: from the era. And stylistically it really does hold its own. 633 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 4: I agree. A great testament to a company that took 634 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 4: a hell of a chance with a market that had 635 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,020 Speaker 4: no idea they were coming. Oh I agree. It was 636 00:31:04,020 --> 00:31:05,820 Speaker 4: a gamble but it really paid off. I want to 637 00:31:05,820 --> 00:31:07,860 Speaker 4: talk about your book for a minute Pete because your 638 00:31:07,860 --> 00:31:10,950 Speaker 4: book is really a cut above in the range of 639 00:31:10,950 --> 00:31:14,370 Speaker 4: automotive books. It's beautifully designed by the way. It's not 640 00:31:14,370 --> 00:31:17,310 Speaker 4: only well laid out but it's really an attractive design 641 00:31:17,310 --> 00:31:19,890 Speaker 4: aesthetic when it comes to the information man. You drill 642 00:31:19,890 --> 00:31:23,790 Speaker 4: deep for anyone who wants to know literally the nuts 643 00:31:23,970 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 4: and bolts of the car history. Your book has it 644 00:31:27,770 --> 00:31:31,110 Speaker 4: that really goes deep into the crevices and pulls out 645 00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:33,990 Speaker 4: all the little goodies that would probably otherwise never be 646 00:31:33,990 --> 00:31:37,470 Speaker 4: told it's someone who's been involved with Neeson for quite 647 00:31:37,470 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 4: a while I appreciate that. 648 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,610 Speaker 7: I love cars. I have always loved cars since I 649 00:31:41,610 --> 00:31:43,770 Speaker 7: was a kid. And to be able to be in 650 00:31:43,770 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 7: the automotive business for as long as I have been 651 00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 7: was just a dream of mine. I started my automotive 652 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,370 Speaker 7: journey back in 1985 working for SPCA and then I 653 00:31:53,490 --> 00:31:56,610 Speaker 7: had a stint working for Selene helping him market and 654 00:31:56,610 --> 00:31:59,910 Speaker 7: selling his Mustangs and then I left after his Indy 655 00:31:59,910 --> 00:32:03,060 Speaker 7: car program exploded and I went to work for Ford 656 00:32:03,060 --> 00:32:05,190 Speaker 7: and did some work for them that got me at 657 00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:08,250 Speaker 7: Bob bond Grant and I worked at his school performance 658 00:32:08,250 --> 00:32:10,950 Speaker 7: driving in Phoenix right when he moved there and spent 659 00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:14,510 Speaker 7: three years there then got hired on and Steve Mullens 660 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 7: and that got me into Nissan and after that I 661 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 7: worked in the advertising business and then became a teacher. 662 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,420 Speaker 7: So I've had a very diversified career but writing has 663 00:32:24,420 --> 00:32:27,060 Speaker 7: been fundamental to all that I teach writing now I 664 00:32:27,060 --> 00:32:30,270 Speaker 7: teach writing for advertising I teach copywriting I teach marketing 665 00:32:30,390 --> 00:32:34,100 Speaker 7: but being able to follow my passion has been absolutely critical. 666 00:32:34,110 --> 00:32:37,140 Speaker 4: That's a great career arc from SPCA motor sport to 667 00:32:37,140 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 4: advertising really kind of covers the gamut when it comes 668 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:40,110 Speaker 4: to cars. 669 00:32:40,110 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 2: You mentioned the fact that the spiritual guide to all 670 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,750 Speaker 2: this is you talk about karma. Mr. K we love 671 00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:48,270 Speaker 2: to be honored five. So you did something right. His 672 00:32:48,270 --> 00:32:51,719 Speaker 2: signature autograph was always love cars love people love my 673 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,060 Speaker 2: boy if I could take a little piece of that 674 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 2: and apply that to my own life I would be 675 00:32:56,130 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 2: so grateful. I'm so grateful to be able to have 676 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 2: written this book and I thank the folks in motor 677 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,910 Speaker 2: books for giving me this opportunity and the folks at 678 00:33:02,910 --> 00:33:05,820 Speaker 2: least for letting me put into words the passion that 679 00:33:05,820 --> 00:33:08,340 Speaker 2: they have for this car and celebrate it. But that 680 00:33:08,340 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 2: to me is important to a writer and to a person. 681 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,410 Speaker 2: Like I said it's passion about cars as I am 682 00:33:13,410 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 2: I'm living the dream. Thanks to Peter Kavanagh author of 683 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,950 Speaker 2: this on Z 50 years of exhilarating experience for joining 684 00:33:19,950 --> 00:33:23,100 Speaker 2: us today on cars that come back next time as 685 00:33:23,100 --> 00:33:26,209 Speaker 2: we continue to talk about the passions that drivers and 686 00:33:26,220 --> 00:33:27,330 Speaker 2: the passions we drive. 687 00:33:39,910 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 3: This episode of cars that matter was hosted by Robert 688 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:46,060 Speaker 3: Ross produced by Chris border headed by Chris Porter sound 689 00:33:46,060 --> 00:33:49,270 Speaker 3: engineering by Michael Kennedy theme song by Celeste and Eric 690 00:33:49,370 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 3: Dix additional music and sound by Chris Porter. Please like 691 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 3: subscribe and share this podcast. I'm Robert Ross. 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