1 00:00:02,620 --> 00:00:03,820 Speaker 1: From Petco media. 2 00:00:05,830 --> 00:00:08,590 Speaker 2: It's easy for me to let the American presidential experience 3 00:00:08,590 --> 00:00:10,869 Speaker 2: collection go. It's not the money I don't need the 4 00:00:10,869 --> 00:00:13,540 Speaker 2: money but I can use that money for more scholarships 5 00:00:13,540 --> 00:00:15,820 Speaker 2: and for doing more back in the little community that 6 00:00:15,820 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 2: I grew up in. And it's time for somebody else 7 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 2: to own these. I've had the privilege of Orlando and 8 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:23,590 Speaker 2: the pride of Arlington. I'll let somebody else have that 9 00:00:23,590 --> 00:00:28,940 Speaker 2: feeling too. This. Is prize. That. 10 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,700 Speaker 3: Robert Ross welcome to cars that matter today in our 11 00:00:45,700 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 3: program we're joined over zoom by Jim Walsh. Jim Ellis 12 00:00:50,140 --> 00:00:51,130 Speaker 3: North Carolina. 13 00:00:51,130 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 4: It's probably a little colder here than out there but 14 00:00:53,170 --> 00:00:54,940 Speaker 4: thank you for having me on the show it's my 15 00:00:54,940 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 4: pleasure to be on. 16 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,060 Speaker 5: Today we're going to talk about some cars that matter 17 00:00:58,060 --> 00:01:01,180 Speaker 5: for a very different reason. Sure the cars themselves are 18 00:01:01,180 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 5: special but the cars we're going to talk about today 19 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,270 Speaker 5: matter because of the people who wrote in them. Jim 20 00:01:06,270 --> 00:01:09,490 Speaker 5: is the owner of two automobiles that were used by 21 00:01:09,490 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 5: the late President John F. Kennedy one on the very 22 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 5: morning of his assassination. And it's not the car you 23 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,470 Speaker 5: think but they're really a part of a bigger story 24 00:01:17,470 --> 00:01:19,780 Speaker 5: and a part of a bigger picture. Jim Wallis is 25 00:01:19,780 --> 00:01:23,229 Speaker 5: owner of the White House gift shop in Washington D.C. 26 00:01:23,290 --> 00:01:28,150 Speaker 5: and also founder and owner of presidential experience dot com 27 00:01:28,270 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 5: which is essentially a traveling exhibition that appears at presidential conventions. 28 00:01:32,620 --> 00:01:35,289 Speaker 5: Maybe not this year but historically you've had an awful 29 00:01:35,290 --> 00:01:38,470 Speaker 5: lot to do with all things presidential. Tell us about 30 00:01:38,470 --> 00:01:40,709 Speaker 5: the mission of the American presidential experience. 31 00:01:40,750 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 6: Robert after 9/11 for two or three years most of 32 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 6: the schools in the country quit come into Washington. And 33 00:01:48,010 --> 00:01:50,710 Speaker 6: I saw where there was the chance to take the 34 00:01:50,740 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 6: presidential memorabilia at that time and the stuff that I 35 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:57,310 Speaker 6: was assembling out to the Ozarks in southern Missouri. I 36 00:01:57,310 --> 00:01:59,830 Speaker 6: went out and looked for a place and there was 37 00:01:59,830 --> 00:02:02,260 Speaker 6: an old Quonset hut out there. So I worked a 38 00:02:02,260 --> 00:02:05,740 Speaker 6: deal to Bob the building and I'd already assembled the 39 00:02:05,740 --> 00:02:09,010 Speaker 6: airplane some first ladies gowns and other things but I 40 00:02:09,010 --> 00:02:11,169 Speaker 6: didn't have a car at that time when I was 41 00:02:11,169 --> 00:02:14,380 Speaker 6: given on loan the Reagan limousine. The first one that 42 00:02:14,380 --> 00:02:16,870 Speaker 6: he looked at to approve the other ones it came 43 00:02:16,870 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 6: after a museum and Michigan loaned that to me. And 44 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,780 Speaker 6: so I had a 10000 square foot building about a 45 00:02:22,780 --> 00:02:26,380 Speaker 6: year to renovate it actually was Elvis Presley's customs old 46 00:02:26,380 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 6: theater called back to the 50s. So I wanted to 47 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,630 Speaker 6: go out there because I knew those kids I grew 48 00:02:31,630 --> 00:02:35,630 Speaker 6: up here in Appalachia. And it's very poor in these mountains. 49 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,020 Speaker 6: Those kids in those mountains were much like the kids. 50 00:02:38,020 --> 00:02:39,580 Speaker 6: And when I grew up I say that we were 51 00:02:39,580 --> 00:02:41,290 Speaker 6: so poor when I was a kid. When we got 52 00:02:41,290 --> 00:02:43,870 Speaker 6: a rainbow it was black and white. So I went 53 00:02:43,870 --> 00:02:47,020 Speaker 6: out there and we opened a museum and I purchased 54 00:02:47,169 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 6: at the Philadelphia presidential fest for the 2000 Republican convention. 55 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:53,950 Speaker 6: I helped them and I brought in an airplane an 56 00:02:53,950 --> 00:02:56,470 Speaker 6: additional launch had been used for some movie sets and 57 00:02:56,470 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 6: it was set up like Richard Nixon's. 58 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 4: I thought that I had some first ladies gowns made 59 00:03:02,169 --> 00:03:05,650 Speaker 4: and we opened and we were the number one educational 60 00:03:05,650 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 4: facility for homeschooling in the area for several years during 61 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,250 Speaker 4: that period. A lot of people kept asking us could 62 00:03:12,250 --> 00:03:14,230 Speaker 4: you bring this to the state fair. Could you bring 63 00:03:14,230 --> 00:03:16,690 Speaker 4: it to an area near us and travel with it. 64 00:03:16,690 --> 00:03:18,190 Speaker 4: We'd got to the point that it looked like he 65 00:03:18,190 --> 00:03:20,410 Speaker 4: was going to be more lucrative to do that and 66 00:03:20,470 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 4: keep the museum going. And they built a big Titanic 67 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,130 Speaker 4: exhibit next to me and that's it all the water 68 00:03:26,310 --> 00:03:28,810 Speaker 4: with all the other museums and everyone wanted to see 69 00:03:28,810 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 4: the Titanic. 70 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 5: Well it sounds like your endeavor was a whole lot 71 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:36,010 Speaker 5: more oriented toward education obviously a nonpartisan endeavor it doesn't 72 00:03:36,010 --> 00:03:39,010 Speaker 5: matter which party line someone was walking this was about 73 00:03:39,010 --> 00:03:39,790 Speaker 5: the presidency. 74 00:03:39,820 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 4: I knew those kids Robert would never if they didn't 75 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,060 Speaker 4: get to Washington during high school they probably would never 76 00:03:46,060 --> 00:03:48,790 Speaker 4: come to Washington. I think everybody in America should at 77 00:03:48,790 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 4: some point in their life come to the capital city 78 00:03:51,340 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 4: and they would appreciate the government a little better I think. 79 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:55,870 Speaker 4: But this was a great chance and to be with 80 00:03:55,870 --> 00:03:58,330 Speaker 4: those kids and we wouldn't have games where they would 81 00:03:58,330 --> 00:04:01,180 Speaker 4: find things like Lincoln's Hat and other things and they 82 00:04:01,180 --> 00:04:03,430 Speaker 4: would get gifts they got it all right. But we 83 00:04:03,430 --> 00:04:05,470 Speaker 4: decided to take it on the road. It was called 84 00:04:05,470 --> 00:04:07,990 Speaker 4: the Presidential Museum out there we changed the name to 85 00:04:07,990 --> 00:04:12,100 Speaker 4: the American presidential experience and it was nonpartisan. I bought 86 00:04:12,100 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 4: another airplane and fixed it up the way that was 87 00:04:14,950 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 4: when Ronald Reagan was president. So that's Reagan's Air Force 88 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 4: One Reagan seven us to have an Air Force One. 89 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,900 Speaker 4: Well we ended up having two airplanes and then we 90 00:04:22,900 --> 00:04:26,020 Speaker 4: switch the next an airplane to the Kennedy airplane. We 91 00:04:26,020 --> 00:04:28,620 Speaker 4: got both sides so to speak. We had Bill Clinton 92 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:30,370 Speaker 4: Oval Office at a time and you know another one 93 00:04:30,430 --> 00:04:33,460 Speaker 4: Ronald Reagan Oval Office but we actually now have six 94 00:04:33,490 --> 00:04:36,250 Speaker 4: oval offices. We have one in California and we have 95 00:04:36,250 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 4: two in Washington and three or four down in Atlanta Georgia. 96 00:04:40,550 --> 00:04:42,580 Speaker 5: Well that's fascinating. Let's put a hold on the cars 97 00:04:42,580 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 5: for a second I want to know more about these offices. 98 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,470 Speaker 5: How do you actually replicate these. 99 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,430 Speaker 4: I tell you where I got the idea. Robert my 100 00:04:48,430 --> 00:04:51,220 Speaker 4: store is across the White House. And when people tour 101 00:04:51,220 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 4: the White House when they come over to our store 102 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,490 Speaker 4: right after they come out we asked how they like 103 00:04:55,490 --> 00:04:59,290 Speaker 4: their tour. People were actually disappointed sometimes because they think 104 00:04:59,290 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 4: they're going to go in the Oval Office or see 105 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,460 Speaker 4: their homes and they really only get to see three 106 00:05:03,460 --> 00:05:05,650 Speaker 4: or four rooms and a waited in line and they've 107 00:05:05,650 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 4: waited for months to get a ticket. And so I 108 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,330 Speaker 4: always said if you could go see an Oval Office 109 00:05:10,410 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 4: a tour one would you and to know. Yeah. And 110 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,890 Speaker 4: so I had this studio in California. No one for me. 111 00:05:15,890 --> 00:05:18,310 Speaker 4: And I brought it in for Bush's inauguration and the 112 00:05:18,310 --> 00:05:21,610 Speaker 4: old train station in Washington under the rotunda. I had 113 00:05:21,610 --> 00:05:24,250 Speaker 4: a George Bush lookalike who sat behind it and talked 114 00:05:24,250 --> 00:05:27,190 Speaker 4: to people and signed autographs and stuff like that. People 115 00:05:27,190 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 4: loved it just around the corner from the store. We 116 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 4: have a political presidential Gallery and we have an Oval 117 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,210 Speaker 4: Office set up there and people come in and have 118 00:05:34,210 --> 00:05:36,450 Speaker 4: their picture make sitting behind the desk. And we also 119 00:05:36,490 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 4: have a press podium with the backdrop. And so there 120 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 4: you have the picture made. They're all set. They get 121 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,930 Speaker 4: to the White House was like the Oval Office. They 122 00:05:43,930 --> 00:05:47,260 Speaker 4: get to see a limousine a presidential limousine and they 123 00:05:47,260 --> 00:05:49,779 Speaker 4: get to see a presidential airplane. Those are the three 124 00:05:49,779 --> 00:05:52,419 Speaker 4: main things when you think about the presidency is how 125 00:05:52,420 --> 00:05:55,060 Speaker 4: do they travel. Where do they work. How they travel 126 00:05:55,060 --> 00:05:57,909 Speaker 4: in the air and car so it really wrapped it 127 00:05:57,910 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 4: all up for people when they do. 128 00:05:59,890 --> 00:06:02,380 Speaker 5: That is fascinating you're absolutely right. I mean a trip 129 00:06:02,380 --> 00:06:05,590 Speaker 5: to Washington and seeing all the monuments the museums and 130 00:06:05,589 --> 00:06:09,250 Speaker 5: just understanding how rich and complicated the history is. It's 131 00:06:09,250 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 5: something that can't be equaled but hey if the mountain 132 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,530 Speaker 5: can't come to Mohammed sometimes the kids have to go 133 00:06:14,529 --> 00:06:17,229 Speaker 5: to the mountain. And obviously that's what you're doing. You 134 00:06:17,230 --> 00:06:20,770 Speaker 5: talk about presidential vehicles and those probably attract more attention 135 00:06:20,860 --> 00:06:24,460 Speaker 5: among the public and certainly even car enthusiasts as any 136 00:06:24,460 --> 00:06:27,100 Speaker 5: other kind of vehicle you can imagine. They're special They're 137 00:06:27,100 --> 00:06:31,210 Speaker 5: imbued with special ambiance. And of course none probably incorporates 138 00:06:31,270 --> 00:06:35,030 Speaker 5: greater piece of history than the cars that JFK rode in. 139 00:06:35,060 --> 00:06:37,090 Speaker 5: And the one that was of course the last car 140 00:06:37,089 --> 00:06:39,070 Speaker 5: that he rode into which is now in the Henry 141 00:06:39,070 --> 00:06:42,100 Speaker 5: Ford you happened to own two of those cars and 142 00:06:42,100 --> 00:06:44,739 Speaker 5: they're coming up for sale at a bottoms auction this 143 00:06:44,740 --> 00:06:48,670 Speaker 5: October 14 at auction called the American presidential experience. Tell 144 00:06:48,670 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 5: us about the auction and then let's talk about those cars. 145 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,860 Speaker 7: About three years ago I had this project that I 146 00:06:53,860 --> 00:06:54,549 Speaker 7: wanted to do. 147 00:06:54,580 --> 00:06:57,789 Speaker 4: It's called the workers Legacy Foundation project. We had just 148 00:06:57,790 --> 00:07:00,010 Speaker 4: done the Oklahoma State fair two years in a row 149 00:07:00,010 --> 00:07:03,100 Speaker 4: with the exhibition we'd been in Philadelphia for the Democratic 150 00:07:03,100 --> 00:07:06,580 Speaker 4: convention and 16 and I'm getting older and it's a 151 00:07:06,580 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 4: lot to put up the Oval Office and set up 152 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,830 Speaker 4: a fifteen thousand square foot show. I decided I could 153 00:07:11,830 --> 00:07:14,710 Speaker 4: use that money for that project to do scholarships for 154 00:07:14,710 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 4: kids and as much as I love the Kennedy items 155 00:07:18,340 --> 00:07:21,750 Speaker 4: and cars and very proud to own them. It's fine 156 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 4: for somebody else to own them and then I can 157 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,870 Speaker 4: put the use of that money to that project that 158 00:07:25,870 --> 00:07:28,010 Speaker 4: I really love and I need to get done. 159 00:07:28,060 --> 00:07:30,220 Speaker 5: And we'll talk about that later on in the program. 160 00:07:30,220 --> 00:07:33,250 Speaker 5: That's a very compelling and very worthwhile endeavor. Can you 161 00:07:33,250 --> 00:07:34,990 Speaker 5: tell us a little bit about the auction what the 162 00:07:34,990 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 5: process could be like given the current pandemic scenario. This 163 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 5: is going to be a live auction but it will 164 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 5: happen online. Is that right. 165 00:07:41,860 --> 00:07:45,700 Speaker 7: Yes. On October the 14th at 1:00 Robert. This auction 166 00:07:45,700 --> 00:07:48,430 Speaker 7: has been postponed twice. We were supposed to have this 167 00:07:48,430 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 7: back in January and it was going to be in 168 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 7: New York and the cars were going to be exhibited 169 00:07:53,500 --> 00:07:56,110 Speaker 7: in the atrium at Trump Tower in New York and 170 00:07:56,110 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 7: such would have been appropriate. We're going to put an 171 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,970 Speaker 7: Oval Office up and have the exhibit there and have 172 00:08:00,970 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 7: the auction broadcast live online and could come and review 173 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,860 Speaker 7: everything and so then we postpone it again until July 174 00:08:08,860 --> 00:08:11,350 Speaker 7: and then we did not get any better. So we 175 00:08:11,350 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 7: said let's play it off to October and we just 176 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 7: made a decision recently that we got do it only online. 177 00:08:17,890 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 7: In fact we have the two cars that cannot be 178 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 7: cards sitting in New Jersey. The convertible the other one 179 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,170 Speaker 7: is up in Rhode Island at a storage antique storage 180 00:08:26,170 --> 00:08:29,250 Speaker 7: place so we've got to bring the cars back together now. 181 00:08:29,260 --> 00:08:32,500 Speaker 7: They tell me that online auctions are doing better than 182 00:08:32,500 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 7: even sometimes lab auctions. 183 00:08:34,330 --> 00:08:36,189 Speaker 5: What got you started on this mission. 184 00:08:36,230 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 7: Jim I remember going to Mount Vernon my aunt and 185 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:39,870 Speaker 7: uncle took me up down. 186 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:41,980 Speaker 6: Twelve years old just being in Mount Vernon I should 187 00:08:41,980 --> 00:08:45,550 Speaker 6: say George Washington walked around here where I'm walking my 188 00:08:45,550 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 6: gold Danza had to get back to Washington one day. 189 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,250 Speaker 6: That was my dream my gold and I finally did. 190 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:55,150 Speaker 6: But how I got into Kennedy was 1960 and the 191 00:08:55,150 --> 00:08:58,330 Speaker 6: third grade. They brought a TV in to the auditorium 192 00:08:58,390 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 6: and we got to watch the inauguration. I was fascinated 193 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,170 Speaker 6: by the pomp and circumstance and with John Kennedy and 194 00:09:05,170 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 6: then like many of us in 1963 were in the 195 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:13,230 Speaker 6: classroom on that Friday afternoon. And it just changes your life. 196 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,390 Speaker 6: I made a trip then in the eighth grade 1965 197 00:09:16,450 --> 00:09:19,390 Speaker 6: to Washington and I wanted to go see Kennedy is great. 198 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,179 Speaker 6: And I bought a little souvenir a little John Kennedy 199 00:09:22,179 --> 00:09:24,850 Speaker 6: bus and I still have that bus today. I think 200 00:09:24,860 --> 00:09:27,459 Speaker 6: I paid 50 cents right then that turned me on 201 00:09:27,460 --> 00:09:29,530 Speaker 6: I wanted to go to Washington and work. And so 202 00:09:29,590 --> 00:09:32,290 Speaker 6: even as a young boy got involved in politics and 203 00:09:32,380 --> 00:09:36,190 Speaker 6: leafleting cars and stuff I started collecting political buttons and 204 00:09:36,190 --> 00:09:39,070 Speaker 6: then I went to Washington and I wanted to design 205 00:09:39,070 --> 00:09:41,980 Speaker 6: some buttons to pay for a trip to the convention 206 00:09:41,980 --> 00:09:44,860 Speaker 6: in New York for Carter and the convention in Detroit 207 00:09:44,860 --> 00:09:46,990 Speaker 6: for Ronald Reagan. And I worked for a congressman so 208 00:09:46,990 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 6: I took some vacation time. I drive all night to Detroit. 209 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:52,810 Speaker 6: I sell my buttons on the street and I make 210 00:09:52,809 --> 00:09:54,069 Speaker 6: more money in a week. 211 00:09:54,070 --> 00:09:56,530 Speaker 2: And I did the year with my congressman. So I 212 00:09:56,530 --> 00:09:58,750 Speaker 2: came back and I said I'm gonna have to quit. 213 00:09:58,780 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 2: He was in a hot campaign race and talk about capitalism. 214 00:10:01,950 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 2: And so I quit and I threw buttons in the car. 215 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,479 Speaker 2: I did it Reagan buttons and then Carter buttons went 216 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 2: to New York and sold in New York and I 217 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,100 Speaker 2: traveled around the country I did a rally every day 218 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,260 Speaker 2: by myself. I had a great time. Got to see 219 00:10:14,260 --> 00:10:16,900 Speaker 2: the country. And then every four years I would do 220 00:10:16,900 --> 00:10:18,339 Speaker 2: this and then I got to where I would get 221 00:10:18,340 --> 00:10:21,010 Speaker 2: college kids from Labor Day until the election. 222 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 4: They would travel and sell buttons out position Southern California 223 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,210 Speaker 4: some out of Atlanta Columbus Ohio. And they wrote about 224 00:10:28,210 --> 00:10:30,750 Speaker 4: it and I got college credit for their experience and 225 00:10:30,820 --> 00:10:33,970 Speaker 4: how the speeches changed in the crowd so they really 226 00:10:33,970 --> 00:10:35,650 Speaker 4: got a lot out of it and they sold a 227 00:10:35,650 --> 00:10:38,290 Speaker 4: lot of buttons from many too. So it got started 228 00:10:38,290 --> 00:10:42,390 Speaker 4: really from selling buttons and then I just a memorabilia 229 00:10:42,390 --> 00:10:46,210 Speaker 4: store in the old train station in Washington. And 1980. 230 00:10:46,410 --> 00:10:49,020 Speaker 4: Bill Clinton used to come through on his way to 231 00:10:49,020 --> 00:10:51,930 Speaker 4: fundraisers and he would buy every Truman button I had. 232 00:10:51,929 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 4: He was a big Truman. The store is called political 233 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,750 Speaker 4: Marikana was its first political memorabilia store in the country 234 00:10:57,870 --> 00:11:00,150 Speaker 4: and it became a big hit. So I opened one 235 00:11:00,150 --> 00:11:03,780 Speaker 4: in Chicago. I opened one in Boston at Faneuil Hall 236 00:11:03,780 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 4: Quincy Market open one in Baltimore and I had three 237 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 4: in Washington at one time I had six political and 238 00:11:09,410 --> 00:11:12,100 Speaker 4: repave stores. And that is hard to keep off course 239 00:11:12,179 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 4: when you have six stores you got three to do 240 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 4: great and three that topped. And yeah I was constantly 241 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,860 Speaker 4: traveling so I decided to not do that stores in 242 00:11:19,860 --> 00:11:23,010 Speaker 4: other cities anymore then opened the White House store across 243 00:11:23,010 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 4: from the White House. It first was the Obama inauguration store. 244 00:11:26,790 --> 00:11:28,980 Speaker 4: Then we eventually turned it in and a few months 245 00:11:28,980 --> 00:11:31,470 Speaker 4: after he became president in the White House gift store 246 00:11:31,500 --> 00:11:34,530 Speaker 4: from that then we started looking about black and other 247 00:11:34,530 --> 00:11:37,410 Speaker 4: items that we could take on the road with the experience. 248 00:11:37,410 --> 00:11:41,130 Speaker 4: So I got to this auction in Boston in 2013 249 00:11:41,130 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 4: in October and they had two cars they have one 250 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:48,900 Speaker 4: which was in 1960 Lincoln an armored car makes specifically 251 00:11:48,900 --> 00:11:51,689 Speaker 4: as the presidential car. They had several when the motor 252 00:11:51,690 --> 00:11:53,970 Speaker 4: pool this car never traveled they had a hard top 253 00:11:54,059 --> 00:11:56,579 Speaker 4: and had a two way radio and it phone like 254 00:11:56,580 --> 00:11:59,870 Speaker 4: in the back first. It only carried Kennedy around Washington. 255 00:12:00,050 --> 00:12:02,370 Speaker 4: I won that bid and wasn't going to bid on 256 00:12:02,370 --> 00:12:04,830 Speaker 4: the other. But the price looked pretty good. And I 257 00:12:04,830 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 4: ended up bidding on that one and getting it also 258 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,179 Speaker 4: in attendance at the way am I gonna get the 259 00:12:09,179 --> 00:12:12,390 Speaker 4: money to pay for these two cars. I just went crazy. 260 00:12:12,390 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 8: You know you do that well an auction I'll do 261 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:15,820 Speaker 8: that to you. And I'll bet you're glad you did. 262 00:12:15,820 --> 00:12:17,970 Speaker 6: Now I am I worked it out. Now I got 263 00:12:17,970 --> 00:12:20,550 Speaker 6: the cars and got more items that will be in 264 00:12:20,550 --> 00:12:22,330 Speaker 6: the auction on October 14th. 265 00:12:22,350 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 3: That's great. Here take a short break but we'll be 266 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:26,450 Speaker 3: right back. 267 00:12:28,990 --> 00:12:31,189 Speaker 9: Welcome to life. Done better. 268 00:12:31,270 --> 00:12:34,689 Speaker 10: Listen to the weekly episodes where supermodel and health coach 269 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 10: Jill DeYoung talks to some of the world's most inspiring 270 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:42,460 Speaker 10: women in health and wellness. It's the place for all 271 00:12:42,460 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 10: the unicorns who strive to create a life on their 272 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:51,220 Speaker 10: own terms. Join us to explore discover create a life 273 00:12:51,250 --> 00:12:56,650 Speaker 10: done better together. Listen and subscribe from Kurt Coe media 274 00:12:56,830 --> 00:13:01,089 Speaker 10: media for your mind. 275 00:13:01,100 --> 00:13:03,609 Speaker 3: We're back with two more like Jim. Let me ask 276 00:13:03,610 --> 00:13:06,790 Speaker 3: you first of all JFK is probably the most beloved 277 00:13:06,910 --> 00:13:09,490 Speaker 3: president in what would be modern U.S. history. 278 00:13:09,490 --> 00:13:11,770 Speaker 5: I'm a postage stamp collector and you look at stamps 279 00:13:11,770 --> 00:13:15,550 Speaker 5: issued by nations around the world and Europe Africa Asia 280 00:13:15,580 --> 00:13:19,689 Speaker 5: South America. He's on stamps from almost every stamp printing 281 00:13:19,690 --> 00:13:22,450 Speaker 5: nation in the world. He was really a heroic figure. 282 00:13:22,460 --> 00:13:25,790 Speaker 5: That of course his assassination was a shock to the world. 283 00:13:25,809 --> 00:13:28,870 Speaker 5: Most people when they think about Kennedy's automobiles they only 284 00:13:28,870 --> 00:13:31,270 Speaker 5: think about the so-called death car the car that he 285 00:13:31,270 --> 00:13:33,849 Speaker 5: was shot in in Dallas. That car I guess went 286 00:13:33,850 --> 00:13:37,150 Speaker 5: to the Smithsonian Institution after Johnson had it all cleaned 287 00:13:37,150 --> 00:13:39,470 Speaker 5: up and now it's in the Henry Ford in Dearborn. 288 00:13:39,510 --> 00:13:41,740 Speaker 5: But that car really bears no relation to the car 289 00:13:41,740 --> 00:13:44,890 Speaker 5: that Jackie Kennedy and the governor were riding in the 290 00:13:44,890 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 5: day he was shot. It's a different color it's got 291 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,209 Speaker 5: a different top honor. I mean it's completely redone. 292 00:13:50,210 --> 00:13:53,500 Speaker 6: You know they actually used that car through Jimmy Carter. 293 00:13:53,500 --> 00:13:56,050 Speaker 5: That's amazing. I'm kind of surprised any president would want 294 00:13:56,050 --> 00:13:58,750 Speaker 5: to even write it. I mean it was almost a 295 00:13:58,750 --> 00:14:02,050 Speaker 5: sacred artifact and just to use it as a livery 296 00:14:02,050 --> 00:14:05,439 Speaker 5: vehicle not to mention whatever black cloud was sort of 297 00:14:05,650 --> 00:14:08,590 Speaker 5: hanging over it. It's strangely continued to be used. And 298 00:14:08,590 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 5: I guess just to put that in context all our 299 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:14,830 Speaker 5: listeners would recognize it as the exquisite Lincoln Continental design 300 00:14:14,830 --> 00:14:18,460 Speaker 5: from early 1960s that has endured so well in an 301 00:14:18,460 --> 00:14:21,100 Speaker 5: aesthetic sense. That was really an important American car. 302 00:14:21,100 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 6: Harry Truman switch the presidential cars remade by Lincoln. He 303 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,140 Speaker 6: got mad at General Motors because they wouldn't let many 304 00:14:28,180 --> 00:14:33,190 Speaker 6: cars during the campaign. Interesting fact Teddy Roosevelt would not 305 00:14:33,190 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 6: ride in a car. He rode in carriages and they 306 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,500 Speaker 6: had a car who would follow him with security behind 307 00:14:38,500 --> 00:14:41,020 Speaker 6: the horse drawn carriage. Is that right. He thought it 308 00:14:41,020 --> 00:14:43,420 Speaker 6: was not manly a man and a horse is what 309 00:14:43,420 --> 00:14:46,510 Speaker 6: you get a ride on a president. That's that's fantastic. 310 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,930 Speaker 5: Well unfortunately President Kennedy got in that Lincoln and never 311 00:14:49,930 --> 00:14:52,660 Speaker 5: got out alive. But what most people don't realize is 312 00:14:52,660 --> 00:14:55,180 Speaker 5: that there were some other cars that were associated with 313 00:14:55,180 --> 00:14:58,330 Speaker 5: his tenure and one very closely associated that he had 314 00:14:58,330 --> 00:15:00,550 Speaker 5: in fact written in that very day. That's the car 315 00:15:00,550 --> 00:15:03,790 Speaker 5: you have for sale. So 1963 Lincoln Continental is a 316 00:15:03,790 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 5: beautiful ivory car with a red interior and that's kind 317 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 5: of the star of the auction which should tell us 318 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:08,950 Speaker 5: about that. 319 00:15:08,950 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 6: Well it's unusual for one time I've seen a president 320 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 6: ride in a car that was not a presidential limousine. 321 00:15:15,060 --> 00:15:17,890 Speaker 6: And that was Jimmy Carter when he announced in 1980. 322 00:15:17,890 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 6: But they had two or three parades. They needed to 323 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,570 Speaker 6: do and they did not plan for a parade in 324 00:15:22,570 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 6: Fort Worth. He was going to get into Fort Worth 325 00:15:24,700 --> 00:15:28,330 Speaker 6: late on Thursday night November 21st. So the car was 326 00:15:28,330 --> 00:15:30,700 Speaker 6: to pick him up at the airport at Carswell take 327 00:15:30,700 --> 00:15:32,430 Speaker 6: him to the hotel and then back to the airport 328 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,490 Speaker 6: quickly the next morning. And so the Secret Service asked 329 00:15:35,650 --> 00:15:38,860 Speaker 6: Golightly auto business if they had a car. They were 330 00:15:38,860 --> 00:15:41,890 Speaker 6: the Lincoln dealer in town right. Yes they said yes. 331 00:15:41,890 --> 00:15:45,700 Speaker 6: And so they drilled in the fender amounts to put 332 00:15:45,700 --> 00:15:48,570 Speaker 6: the flags on the car of the presidential flag an 333 00:15:48,590 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 6: American flag. And so it took Jackie and the president 334 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,310 Speaker 6: up at the airport. I think about 11:00 p.m. that 335 00:15:54,310 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 6: night that got into the ring there at eleven forty. 336 00:15:56,530 --> 00:15:59,170 Speaker 6: And they were exhausted. They got up the next morning 337 00:15:59,250 --> 00:16:00,850 Speaker 6: and one of the other things that will be in 338 00:16:00,850 --> 00:16:05,020 Speaker 6: the auction. Kennedy called Lady that a decorated the hotel 339 00:16:05,020 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 6: room with great pieces of art. He called and thanked her. 340 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,390 Speaker 6: Boy what a touch of class. Ruth Carter Johnson was 341 00:16:10,390 --> 00:16:12,310 Speaker 6: her name. It was the last time you would ever 342 00:16:12,310 --> 00:16:15,030 Speaker 6: pick up a telephone as his last phone call. Also 343 00:16:15,190 --> 00:16:17,830 Speaker 6: those two phones over in the hotel room will be 344 00:16:17,830 --> 00:16:21,130 Speaker 6: in the auction so Kennedy comes down. It's raining that morning. 345 00:16:21,130 --> 00:16:23,300 Speaker 6: He's going to speak out in front of the hotel. 346 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,370 Speaker 6: Jim Wright introduces him. Kennedy is the only one was 347 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,230 Speaker 6: out of town. He speaks and then he goes back 348 00:16:29,230 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 6: and changes as he's going to speak to the chamber 349 00:16:31,510 --> 00:16:33,979 Speaker 6: there that morning in Fort Worth. This great video of 350 00:16:33,980 --> 00:16:36,550 Speaker 6: the car was brought up to the entrance. So when 351 00:16:36,550 --> 00:16:38,170 Speaker 6: he came out it would be right there and it 352 00:16:38,170 --> 00:16:40,540 Speaker 6: had the top up. And while he was speaking the 353 00:16:40,540 --> 00:16:43,450 Speaker 6: sun came out. Secret Service said let's take the top 354 00:16:43,450 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 6: down and that this is a normal Lincoln it's not 355 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,410 Speaker 6: a big presidential car and they take the top down. 356 00:16:49,420 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 6: And then Kennedy Jackie and Governor Connally come out and 357 00:16:53,740 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 6: all three of them get in the backseat with Jackie 358 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:56,870 Speaker 6: in the mantle. 359 00:16:56,890 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 8: And so they're all squeezed and you see this picture 360 00:16:59,020 --> 00:17:00,850 Speaker 8: that is a great picture I had a chance to 361 00:17:00,850 --> 00:17:03,310 Speaker 8: see it talk about Camelot. I mean it really was 362 00:17:03,310 --> 00:17:05,710 Speaker 8: their white horse wasn't it it was a white Lincoln 363 00:17:05,740 --> 00:17:06,890 Speaker 8: and it looked pretty special. 364 00:17:06,910 --> 00:17:09,070 Speaker 11: And there were great crowds along the way to the 365 00:17:09,070 --> 00:17:11,350 Speaker 11: airport at Carswell and then when you look back and 366 00:17:11,350 --> 00:17:13,750 Speaker 11: see the film when they get out of this white 367 00:17:13,750 --> 00:17:15,939 Speaker 11: convertible and then they get to the fence. This is 368 00:17:15,940 --> 00:17:19,300 Speaker 11: the first time Jackie had traveled with the president on 369 00:17:19,300 --> 00:17:22,030 Speaker 11: the campaign. She had lost a child earlier in the spring. 370 00:17:22,180 --> 00:17:24,220 Speaker 11: And so she hadn't traveled and this was the first 371 00:17:24,220 --> 00:17:26,530 Speaker 11: time some I said they looked so happy together because 372 00:17:26,530 --> 00:17:29,060 Speaker 11: they both went to the fancy degree people and then 373 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 11: you think well that's the last time you ever get 374 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 11: out of an automobile. And so sometimes when I described 375 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:36,590 Speaker 11: the car to people it's hard to say. So the 376 00:17:36,590 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 11: last car he rode he had because it's not that's 377 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,250 Speaker 11: the assassination car. It's the car. He wrote it and 378 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:46,010 Speaker 11: successfully and got out and 12 minutes later they're in 379 00:17:46,010 --> 00:17:48,590 Speaker 11: Dallas and within an hour of getting out of that 380 00:17:48,590 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 11: car he had been assessed one of the things we 381 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,170 Speaker 11: did that the state says we would ask people can 382 00:17:54,170 --> 00:17:57,139 Speaker 11: you remember. And we recorded them where you were on 383 00:17:57,140 --> 00:17:59,050 Speaker 11: November 22nd 1963. 384 00:17:59,090 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 4: And everybody it came back as though it had happened 385 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,030 Speaker 4: 10 minutes ago and everybody wanted to tell their story. 386 00:18:05,030 --> 00:18:07,220 Speaker 4: So we set up a whole table and we would 387 00:18:07,220 --> 00:18:09,950 Speaker 4: do interviews with people just telling them about that day 388 00:18:09,950 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 4: and what they thought about Kennedy and assassination. 389 00:18:12,820 --> 00:18:15,290 Speaker 5: I think back to I remember walking home from school 390 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 5: coming home from elementary school and walked through the door 391 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 5: and my mom must've been in tears. She was a 392 00:18:19,940 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 5: fairly elegant lady and probably got a double for Jackie 393 00:18:23,060 --> 00:18:26,180 Speaker 5: certainly represents a moment in time and also a moment 394 00:18:26,180 --> 00:18:30,290 Speaker 5: in time when American cars were pretty presidential in their demeanor. 395 00:18:30,380 --> 00:18:33,230 Speaker 5: I can't imagine a more appropriate one to put up 396 00:18:33,230 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 5: on the auction block. That's a great piece of history 397 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,030 Speaker 5: and a great car. You've got another one as well 398 00:18:38,030 --> 00:18:40,460 Speaker 5: the one you alluded to earlier the big armored monster. 399 00:18:40,460 --> 00:18:43,580 Speaker 5: That's a Lincoln Continental limousine from 1960. So it had 400 00:18:43,580 --> 00:18:47,220 Speaker 5: a completely different look. They made them bigger than that 401 00:18:47,300 --> 00:18:49,310 Speaker 5: one is 22 feet long. 402 00:18:49,310 --> 00:18:52,850 Speaker 6: It's an armored car one the first ones windshields all 403 00:18:52,850 --> 00:18:55,360 Speaker 6: the glass. It is a heavy duty car. 404 00:18:55,369 --> 00:18:57,429 Speaker 8: They must've paid some money to have that thing built. 405 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,050 Speaker 8: If the government pays 900 bucks for a hammer I 406 00:19:00,050 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 8: shudder to think what that thing caused back in 1960. 407 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 4: You know the cars now cost almost three million dollars 408 00:19:05,660 --> 00:19:07,459 Speaker 4: so it was a better deal than the ones that 409 00:19:07,460 --> 00:19:07,930 Speaker 4: get now. 410 00:19:07,970 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 8: I was talking with a fabricator recently who actually has 411 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,820 Speaker 8: done some work on presidential vehicles or part of his 412 00:19:13,820 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 8: team have. And he says they may look like Cadillacs 413 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,889 Speaker 8: or whatever but there's nothing having to do with a 414 00:19:18,890 --> 00:19:22,780 Speaker 8: Cadillac underneath that skin because they're essentially armored tanks. 415 00:19:22,790 --> 00:19:25,190 Speaker 6: It was said that in one of the Reagan's limousines 416 00:19:25,190 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 6: that had an opening in the back the seat would 417 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,619 Speaker 6: fall down and it was a private security. They would 418 00:19:30,619 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 6: go in that in the back of the car. I 419 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 6: don't know if that's true or not. But after Clinton's 420 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:38,060 Speaker 6: limousine they should have put him in presidential laboratories but 421 00:19:38,060 --> 00:19:40,490 Speaker 6: they don't do that anymore. They actually use them for 422 00:19:40,490 --> 00:19:43,070 Speaker 6: the Secret Service to train them and they shoot the 423 00:19:43,070 --> 00:19:45,350 Speaker 6: cars up and destroy them. They get all kinds of 424 00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:48,350 Speaker 6: intelligence equipment and they probably can fly. We don't know 425 00:19:48,350 --> 00:19:49,310 Speaker 6: what they probably can. 426 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,690 Speaker 7: These two cars Robert had been in storage for more 427 00:19:53,690 --> 00:19:56,810 Speaker 7: than 10 years. Nobody had seen them. And so something 428 00:19:56,810 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 7: like that only people to see it. That's why we're 429 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 7: perfectly for me with presidential experience traveling show. 430 00:20:02,300 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 5: I guess there's other pieces of important JFK memorabilia that 431 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:07,820 Speaker 5: are coming up on the block too. You'd mentioned these 432 00:20:07,820 --> 00:20:09,790 Speaker 5: two telephones which I've seen a picture of. 433 00:20:09,830 --> 00:20:12,139 Speaker 8: It's kind of amazing a little white house emblem in 434 00:20:12,140 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 8: the theater and they're very special back when rotary phones 435 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:15,490 Speaker 8: are all we have. 436 00:20:15,500 --> 00:20:17,900 Speaker 6: I thought this from a man who was the telephone 437 00:20:17,990 --> 00:20:20,630 Speaker 6: guy who installed the phones but after he just tipped 438 00:20:20,630 --> 00:20:23,090 Speaker 6: them and thought well I'll just take him home with me. 439 00:20:23,090 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 6: I guess I hopefully paid the telephone company but he 440 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 6: had them for years and years before he really thought 441 00:20:28,220 --> 00:20:30,740 Speaker 6: how viable they were. Since it's the last phone call 442 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 6: Oh Peter we have a Kennedy shaving kit. 443 00:20:33,770 --> 00:20:36,890 Speaker 4: Also the Knox case which is a national stolen it 444 00:20:36,940 --> 00:20:40,130 Speaker 4: got a razor and the brush and blades and everything 445 00:20:40,130 --> 00:20:42,350 Speaker 4: in it. And we have one of Jackie's bathing suits 446 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,590 Speaker 4: that will be in the auction. Also it's framed beautifully. 447 00:20:45,590 --> 00:20:47,210 Speaker 4: I wonder if it's still in style. She made that 448 00:20:47,210 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 4: famous trip to Paris. The world loved her French loved 449 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 4: her and she got accolades for that trip. She had 450 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,390 Speaker 4: a pair of beautiful shoes she wore on that trip. 451 00:20:56,450 --> 00:20:58,659 Speaker 4: And they're seen in a lot of the press pieces. 452 00:20:58,670 --> 00:21:01,090 Speaker 4: So those shoes are going to be for sale also. 453 00:21:01,310 --> 00:21:03,500 Speaker 5: Well you really cover the gamut in terms of the 454 00:21:03,500 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 5: president's personal life. That's pretty amazing. Obviously JFK is a 455 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,550 Speaker 5: key figure but as I alluded to before your mission 456 00:21:10,550 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 5: really is kind of decidedly nonpartisan. I mean you have 457 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,220 Speaker 5: great interest in all of this presidential history and history 458 00:21:16,220 --> 00:21:17,060 Speaker 5: of Washington. 459 00:21:17,130 --> 00:21:19,489 Speaker 6: I try to inspire and kids when they come to 460 00:21:19,490 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 6: the show is the way I felt in 1965. And 461 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:24,980 Speaker 6: there are a lot of great kids out there who 462 00:21:24,980 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 6: get it and who know their history and they love it. 463 00:21:27,859 --> 00:21:30,990 Speaker 6: And you can quiz kids and they know more than that. 464 00:21:31,130 --> 00:21:33,910 Speaker 6: There was a little boy that we brought in from Atlanta. 465 00:21:33,980 --> 00:21:37,139 Speaker 6: He's 6 years old and he does. John Kennedy is 466 00:21:37,140 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 6: the inaugural speech and uses the voice on young African-American 467 00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:45,050 Speaker 6: kid but he uses a Boston accent six years that's 468 00:21:45,060 --> 00:21:47,810 Speaker 6: not what your country can do for you. 469 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,380 Speaker 3: Oh that is fantastic. It's so gratifying to think that 470 00:21:51,380 --> 00:21:54,410 Speaker 3: this is still an inspiration for young people like. That's 471 00:21:54,410 --> 00:21:57,169 Speaker 3: just fantastic. Well we're going to take a quick break 472 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 3: but we will be right back. 473 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,030 Speaker 12: A moment of your time. 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We never will. 484 00:22:30,290 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 13: We just find the beauty of rock climbing. Is that 485 00:22:32,850 --> 00:22:35,550 Speaker 13: you can only focus on what's right in your life. 486 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,970 Speaker 9: And so are American life begins. 487 00:22:38,970 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 12: We may need to stay apart but let's create together 488 00:22:42,660 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 12: available on all podcast platforms. Submit your piece at Kirk 489 00:22:46,590 --> 00:22:48,500 Speaker 12: dot com slash a moment of your time. 490 00:22:51,970 --> 00:22:55,060 Speaker 14: Welcome back. The cars the better. I shudder to ask 491 00:22:55,060 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 14: how many other things are in your collections. You talked 492 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,429 Speaker 14: about campaign buttons before. Would you venture a guess at 493 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 14: what that collection entail. 494 00:23:02,010 --> 00:23:05,530 Speaker 4: After I started making buttons I started designing campaign mature 495 00:23:05,530 --> 00:23:09,050 Speaker 4: for campaigns. So I ended up doing 14 presidential candidates. 496 00:23:09,050 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 4: There are buttons and bumper stickers and buttons and that 497 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,260 Speaker 4: was my business for 10 years before I opened the 498 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:19,060 Speaker 4: memorabilia store in Washington. John Glenn Gary Hart Jesse Jackson 499 00:23:19,090 --> 00:23:20,500 Speaker 4: Fritz Hollings South Carolina. 500 00:23:20,530 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 8: So it doesn't matter which side of the aisle they're 501 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 8: on you're going to give them some good quality work 502 00:23:23,980 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 8: in the old days. 503 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:26,950 Speaker 6: At the end of the campaign they still owe you 504 00:23:26,950 --> 00:23:29,050 Speaker 6: money and they run out of money. And so what 505 00:23:29,050 --> 00:23:31,180 Speaker 6: I would do is they give me back what you 506 00:23:31,260 --> 00:23:34,090 Speaker 6: didn't distribute around the country and I'll give you credit 507 00:23:34,090 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 6: on it. So I got some back that way but 508 00:23:35,890 --> 00:23:38,260 Speaker 6: I think Gary Hart still owes me twelve thousand. John 509 00:23:38,260 --> 00:23:41,100 Speaker 6: Glenn owes me ten but not their fault. They can't 510 00:23:41,109 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 6: under the federal law. They've said they'd love to pay 511 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:44,980 Speaker 6: me personally but they can't. 512 00:23:45,010 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 8: That's a little detail I wouldn't know I to go 513 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:47,830 Speaker 8: into politics save them money. 514 00:23:47,890 --> 00:23:51,669 Speaker 7: I did the inauguration for Clinton and ninety two. I 515 00:23:51,670 --> 00:23:54,670 Speaker 7: did all the inauguration items and set six or eight 516 00:23:54,670 --> 00:23:56,699 Speaker 7: stores and did the posters. 517 00:23:56,890 --> 00:24:00,070 Speaker 6: There was a big big project we are 300 people 518 00:24:00,070 --> 00:24:02,860 Speaker 6: to work these boats around the city during the inauguration 519 00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:05,140 Speaker 6: with all the posters and buttons that I have from 520 00:24:05,140 --> 00:24:07,510 Speaker 6: all these candidates and the ones I've collected I have 521 00:24:07,510 --> 00:24:10,500 Speaker 6: around one point two million political campaign buttons. 522 00:24:10,510 --> 00:24:13,420 Speaker 8: Good heavens what kind of warehouse does that take to house. 523 00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:16,689 Speaker 6: It takes about a eight thousand square foot eight hundred 524 00:24:16,690 --> 00:24:19,389 Speaker 6: crates and many of them in bags never been opened 525 00:24:19,390 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 6: before still when the original plastic bags that came in 526 00:24:22,450 --> 00:24:24,850 Speaker 6: I set up a foundation to give those away and 527 00:24:24,850 --> 00:24:26,950 Speaker 6: I've been trying to give them away to schools and 528 00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 6: places in the last five years even to address libraries. 529 00:24:30,700 --> 00:24:34,929 Speaker 8: What's amazing is those are important historical markers if you 530 00:24:34,930 --> 00:24:37,150 Speaker 8: will just kind of like the scurrying King Tut's tomb 531 00:24:37,150 --> 00:24:40,300 Speaker 8: two thousand years later imagine what archeologists will think when 532 00:24:40,300 --> 00:24:42,609 Speaker 8: they discover all those buttons. If you haven't been able 533 00:24:42,609 --> 00:24:43,290 Speaker 8: to distribute it. 534 00:24:43,450 --> 00:24:45,699 Speaker 6: I was in the warehouse the other day and I 535 00:24:45,700 --> 00:24:47,260 Speaker 6: found some Biden buttons I did. 536 00:24:47,260 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 7: Biden's campaign in 1988. And so I just don't have 537 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,810 Speaker 7: my Joe Biden campaign buttons that make direct campaigns or 538 00:24:53,930 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 7: he wins means value will go up. 539 00:24:56,170 --> 00:24:59,890 Speaker 8: That is fantastic. We certainly keep politics out of our program. 540 00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:02,109 Speaker 8: But I can't imagine a better way to broach the 541 00:25:02,109 --> 00:25:05,590 Speaker 8: subject than getting a presidential expert on our show. 542 00:25:05,630 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 5: Jim whatever you're buying a car for a private party 543 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,650 Speaker 5: or maybe looking at a car at auction or whatnot. 544 00:25:10,690 --> 00:25:12,860 Speaker 5: The first question people seem to have is maybe with 545 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,190 Speaker 5: a little bit of suspicion or why are you selling 546 00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:17,859 Speaker 5: this car. Well what's the matter with it. What makes 547 00:25:17,859 --> 00:25:19,690 Speaker 5: you want to get rid of such a nice car 548 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,210 Speaker 5: or whatever the line would be. That's an obvious question 549 00:25:22,210 --> 00:25:25,750 Speaker 5: to you. But you alluded to a program and a 550 00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:28,719 Speaker 5: purpose that was really it has some real meaning to 551 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 5: you personally and to a lot of the people in 552 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,710 Speaker 5: the south. Tell us about your foundation. 553 00:25:32,710 --> 00:25:35,530 Speaker 4: Robert I've been very fortunate because I grew up very 554 00:25:35,530 --> 00:25:38,620 Speaker 4: very poor and every day has been extra. I've been 555 00:25:38,619 --> 00:25:41,830 Speaker 4: so so fortunate when I was collecting all these things 556 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,230 Speaker 4: and I was putting on an exhibition at the local 557 00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:46,300 Speaker 4: museum back in the little town that I grew up 558 00:25:46,300 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 4: in and what towns at Joe Morgan to North Carolina 559 00:25:49,090 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 4: Senator Sam Ervin was from Morgan when I was a 560 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,479 Speaker 4: kid I handed out Sam Ervin buttons and stickers and 561 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,550 Speaker 4: get in trouble putting stickers in people's mailboxes. People said 562 00:25:57,580 --> 00:26:00,550 Speaker 4: that's a federal property you can't do. When I was 563 00:26:00,550 --> 00:26:02,649 Speaker 4: in the museum we saw a lot of pictures and 564 00:26:02,650 --> 00:26:05,140 Speaker 4: things about the owners. The males were my people were 565 00:26:05,140 --> 00:26:07,619 Speaker 4: male workers. My mother went to work in a house 566 00:26:07,619 --> 00:26:09,790 Speaker 4: room male at the age of 16 worked at the 567 00:26:09,790 --> 00:26:11,940 Speaker 4: same sewing machine for 33 years. 568 00:26:11,950 --> 00:26:14,830 Speaker 5: That's unheard of nobody stays at a job for 33 years. 569 00:26:14,830 --> 00:26:16,989 Speaker 5: And of course today people don't start work or they're 570 00:26:16,990 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 5: 16 but by the way she was old to start 571 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,790 Speaker 5: working at 16 because some of those kids looked like 572 00:26:21,790 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 5: they were half that age. 573 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,959 Speaker 1: You're absolutely right Robert child labor was a big issue 574 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: up until the late 40s until after World War Two 575 00:26:28,900 --> 00:26:31,750 Speaker 1: kids 6 and 8 years old worked in mills even 576 00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:34,300 Speaker 1: around the town that I grew up in. It was shameful. 577 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 1: And so mom got up every morning at five thirty. 578 00:26:37,180 --> 00:26:39,850 Speaker 1: She got us dressed she has breakfast and then we 579 00:26:39,850 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: would catch the bus she would catch her Rhonda worked 580 00:26:42,220 --> 00:26:45,580 Speaker 1: with other mill workers. She raised three kids and did 581 00:26:45,609 --> 00:26:48,610 Speaker 1: honorable work. I don't think I ever remember her missing 582 00:26:48,609 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: a day's work. She made eighty dollars a week and 583 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,100 Speaker 1: raised three kids over the years I've always went to 584 00:26:54,100 --> 00:26:58,310 Speaker 1: pay tribute to my mother. She passed away seven years ago. 585 00:26:58,330 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 2: I had this idea about doing an exhibition of metalworkers 586 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,540 Speaker 2: and then it got bigger and so I set up 587 00:27:04,540 --> 00:27:07,390 Speaker 2: a foundation and put some mining in it and we 588 00:27:07,390 --> 00:27:11,590 Speaker 2: have scholarships now for first generation kids first family and 589 00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:14,110 Speaker 2: their family has gone to a college at the local 590 00:27:14,109 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 2: community college in mortgage and where I went to school 591 00:27:17,170 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 2: full scholarships for 10 kids each year and we just 592 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,140 Speaker 2: had our first kids get scholarships this year we're doing 593 00:27:23,140 --> 00:27:25,899 Speaker 2: a documentary on metalworkers that we're going to show in 594 00:27:25,900 --> 00:27:29,500 Speaker 2: the schools because kids don't get an appreciation. People who 595 00:27:29,500 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 2: are mill workers have an inferiority. They think that they're 596 00:27:32,380 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 2: just mill workers. The first woman I interviewed one of 597 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 2: the things we do is StoryCorps type thing and so 598 00:27:37,470 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 2: I brought in this elderly lady. She's 94 years old. 599 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,510 Speaker 2: Miss Madeline Newton we got ready to do the interview 600 00:27:43,540 --> 00:27:45,630 Speaker 2: and she said Mr. Warnock she said I don't have 601 00:27:45,730 --> 00:27:47,980 Speaker 2: a story I'm just a mill worker. And I said 602 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,050 Speaker 2: you give me a little time then I found a 603 00:27:50,050 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 2: story in you she talked for two hours and then 604 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,460 Speaker 2: she called back a week later and said Tell Mr. 605 00:27:55,460 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 2: Warwick that I'll come back up there and talk some more. 606 00:27:57,810 --> 00:27:59,869 Speaker 2: He wants me to. When she left there she was 607 00:27:59,869 --> 00:28:02,690 Speaker 2: so proud. No one had ever made her feel that 608 00:28:02,690 --> 00:28:05,180 Speaker 2: her work in a mill was great work. And she 609 00:28:05,180 --> 00:28:06,350 Speaker 2: raised the family. 610 00:28:06,350 --> 00:28:08,900 Speaker 1: They got educations and a lot of them in their 611 00:28:08,900 --> 00:28:12,050 Speaker 1: school teachers in their analysis of the mill workers built 612 00:28:12,109 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: a good community. My idea was we need to honor 613 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: these people and we'd better do it fast because they're 614 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 1: passing on. So this foundation does to scholarships the documentary 615 00:28:21,740 --> 00:28:24,170 Speaker 1: we've got a monument that will be going up on 616 00:28:24,170 --> 00:28:26,930 Speaker 1: the history easily home grounds. We're gonna do it in 617 00:28:26,930 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: October but with Kenwood we gotta wait till next year 618 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,850 Speaker 1: to that. Hourly workers can get there but in the 619 00:28:31,850 --> 00:28:34,580 Speaker 1: center of that monument will be my mother. Twelve feet 620 00:28:34,609 --> 00:28:38,230 Speaker 1: high and then my uncle who worked in the furniture factory. 621 00:28:38,300 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: I have 32 aunts and uncles. We didn't have time 622 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: to think about the former because everybody was hiding you 623 00:28:43,410 --> 00:28:45,620 Speaker 1: and kissing you and loving you So that's what got 624 00:28:45,620 --> 00:28:48,050 Speaker 1: me through. I had a wonderful family and they were 625 00:28:48,140 --> 00:28:51,230 Speaker 1: only workers. The women worked in the textile industry. The 626 00:28:51,230 --> 00:28:53,990 Speaker 1: men worked in furniture factories and then we had this 627 00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: wonderful still living African-American woman who represents the textile work. 628 00:28:58,790 --> 00:29:02,270 Speaker 1: This monument would tell the story of the mills and 629 00:29:02,270 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: the lives of the mill workers and it will honor 630 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,230 Speaker 1: and pay tribute to what an incredibly magnanimous and worthwhile endeavor. 631 00:29:09,250 --> 00:29:11,230 Speaker 5: It's called The Worker's Legacy Foundation. 632 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,700 Speaker 6: It is and that's the reason it's easy for me 633 00:29:13,700 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 6: to let the American president to experience collection go. It's 634 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 6: not the money I don't need the money but I 635 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,380 Speaker 6: can use that money for more scholarships and for doing 636 00:29:21,380 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 6: more back in a little community that I grew up 637 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,990 Speaker 6: in Afghanistan for somebody else to only stars. I've had 638 00:29:26,990 --> 00:29:29,630 Speaker 6: the privilege of Orlando and the pride of Arlington. I'll 639 00:29:29,630 --> 00:29:31,150 Speaker 6: let somebody else have that feeling too. 640 00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:33,140 Speaker 5: I think that's the way every car owner should look 641 00:29:33,140 --> 00:29:37,250 Speaker 5: at their automobiles or whatever historical artifact they have. We're 642 00:29:37,250 --> 00:29:40,130 Speaker 5: just the custodians of these things. But certainly your workers 643 00:29:40,130 --> 00:29:42,950 Speaker 5: Legacy Foundation has a broader mission and one that will 644 00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:45,530 Speaker 5: certainly endure. The South is interesting I think. People who 645 00:29:45,530 --> 00:29:48,050 Speaker 5: don't come from the south or have had little experience 646 00:29:48,050 --> 00:29:51,230 Speaker 5: there whether it's Mississippi or Alabama Georgia Florida or a 647 00:29:51,230 --> 00:29:54,420 Speaker 5: place as far north as North Carolina don't really understand that. 648 00:29:54,420 --> 00:29:57,230 Speaker 5: There was so much industry and so much commerce done 649 00:29:57,230 --> 00:30:00,740 Speaker 5: there that so greatly affected not just that region but 650 00:30:00,740 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 5: the entire economic prosperity in America. Virtually everything that was 651 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,370 Speaker 5: fabric or woven carpet all the as you say the 652 00:30:07,370 --> 00:30:10,460 Speaker 5: furniture all the woodworking that was all done there and 653 00:30:10,490 --> 00:30:13,340 Speaker 5: under certainly less than ideal conditions you have a 6 654 00:30:13,340 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 5: year old kid go to work. I have to wonder 655 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:21,650 Speaker 5: if that didn't somehow really create a strong strong generation. 656 00:30:21,650 --> 00:30:23,900 Speaker 6: It's interesting you touch on that because when I started 657 00:30:23,900 --> 00:30:26,150 Speaker 6: this project Robert I was going to put a lot 658 00:30:26,150 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 6: of emphasis and expose the child labor and my exhibition 659 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,390 Speaker 6: was gonna be about child labor. When I started interviewing 660 00:30:32,390 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 6: these workers I realized they enjoyed their work and they 661 00:30:36,650 --> 00:30:39,709 Speaker 6: raised families and what low income they did get. I 662 00:30:39,710 --> 00:30:43,700 Speaker 6: decided it was not my place to make them feel. 663 00:30:43,700 --> 00:30:46,700 Speaker 6: I thought they would feel that they had been exploited 664 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,670 Speaker 6: working in the mills and they had a happy story 665 00:30:49,670 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 6: and I thought I must tell their story. We do 666 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,590 Speaker 6: have some in the exhibition we're going to do about 667 00:30:54,590 --> 00:30:57,140 Speaker 6: child labor. It's not going to be the focus which 668 00:30:57,140 --> 00:31:00,500 Speaker 6: I originally intended because I want them to be proud 669 00:31:00,590 --> 00:31:03,470 Speaker 6: and to when they tell their story have some pride 670 00:31:03,500 --> 00:31:04,070 Speaker 6: and they should. 671 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,650 Speaker 5: Well Jim we're sure excited to see what happens at 672 00:31:06,650 --> 00:31:09,860 Speaker 5: the upcoming bottoms auction. Of course this program will continue 673 00:31:09,860 --> 00:31:12,650 Speaker 5: to be aired long after that the conversation on the 674 00:31:12,650 --> 00:31:15,830 Speaker 5: subject is going to be just as evergreen because presidential 675 00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:19,460 Speaker 5: cars and the presidential experience and all that will continue 676 00:31:19,460 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 5: to be alive online. Yes. Yeah sure. 677 00:31:21,530 --> 00:31:23,630 Speaker 8: Well Jim I really do wish you the best of 678 00:31:23,630 --> 00:31:25,610 Speaker 8: luck on this sale because it'll mean to us that 679 00:31:25,610 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 8: many more scholarships. What a great thing you're doing. I 680 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 8: want to thank Jim Wallis owner White House gift shop 681 00:31:30,980 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 8: the presidential experience for joining us today and really taking 682 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,620 Speaker 8: a fascinating drive down Pennsylvania Avenue so to speak and 683 00:31:39,620 --> 00:31:42,650 Speaker 8: talking about the presidency and some of the cars that 684 00:31:42,650 --> 00:31:46,370 Speaker 8: played such an instrumental role in the history of that office. 685 00:31:46,370 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 8: Jim thanks so much. 686 00:31:47,450 --> 00:31:49,860 Speaker 4: Thank you Erin. You're so kind and having you on 687 00:31:49,860 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 4: the show and talking about the cars and the election 688 00:31:52,700 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 4: and hope history and the worker's Legacy Project. Thank you 689 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 4: very much. Come back next time as we continue to 690 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,940 Speaker 4: talk about the passions with drivers and the passions we drive. 691 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,940 Speaker 3: This episode of cars that matter was hosted by Robert 692 00:32:17,940 --> 00:32:21,750 Speaker 3: Ross produced by Chris border edited by Chris Porter sound 693 00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:25,260 Speaker 3: engineering by Michael Kennedy theme song by Celeste and Eric dick. 694 00:32:25,500 --> 00:32:29,070 Speaker 3: Additional Music and Sound by Chris Porter. Please like subscribe 695 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:33,180 Speaker 3: and share this podcast. I'm Robert Ross. 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