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Jenny Curtis: Welcome to another special episode of Hollywood Unscripted, Stuck At
Jenny Curtis: Home. I'm Jenny Curtis and today I am virtually sitting
Jenny Curtis: down with the coolest actress, Noomi Rapace. She's well- known
Jenny Curtis: for originating the role of Lisbeth Salander and The Girl
Jenny Curtis: With the Dragon Tattoo and the rest of that series.
Jenny Curtis: She's been in Sherlock Holmes: Game of Shadows, Bright, What
Jenny Curtis: Happened to Monday, The Drop, and so many more. She's
Jenny Curtis: an actress with fierce strength and an open heart and
Jenny Curtis: today we get to cover her latest movie, The Secrets
Jenny Curtis: We Keep, along with the rest of her career. Noomi,
Jenny Curtis: thank you so much for joining me.
Noomi Rapace: Thank you for having me.
Jenny Curtis: You're currently in London, is that correct?
Noomi Rapace: That is correct. I'm in my house in London and been
Noomi Rapace: in quarantine for the last 14 days because I've been
Noomi Rapace: traveling this summer and then I came back and I've
Noomi Rapace: been stuck in my house, watching a lot of films.
Noomi Rapace: It's a strange time but also gives me time to
Noomi Rapace: catch up on things.
Jenny Curtis: It's definitely a shorter quarantine than some of us who
Jenny Curtis: have been stuck in our homes for like three months
Jenny Curtis: at this point.
Noomi Rapace: Oh my God, I know. I have a lot of
Noomi Rapace: friends in L.A. Normally I go there a couple of times
Noomi Rapace: a year and I stay for a month or six
Noomi Rapace: weeks and I miss my friends so much. It just
Noomi Rapace: feels very unreal and it feels like you guys have
Noomi Rapace: had it way tougher than we. It's been quite hard
Noomi Rapace: and it kind of feels like you're living in a movie.
Jenny Curtis: Yeah, that's a good way of putting it, living in
Jenny Curtis: a movie. It feels very unreal. But we're all healthy
Jenny Curtis: here and I'm glad that you're healthy and you've gotten
Jenny Curtis: to travel. How have you been traveling? How do you
Jenny Curtis: stay safe? What have you been doing?
Noomi Rapace: I went to Sweden for work. Sweden and Denmark for
Noomi Rapace: meetings, and I'm producing a couple projects, so I went
Noomi Rapace: to work with my partners. Then I went to my
Noomi Rapace: friend's birthday in Spain. In Europe, some countries are open.
Noomi Rapace: There's rules, obviously, but it's very different. In some countries
Noomi Rapace: there's less rules, like in Sweden, people are not wearing
Noomi Rapace: any masks and people social distance and all that, but
Noomi Rapace: it's way more relaxed. I mean, now we're kind of
Noomi Rapace: slowly going back to normal in London, which feels good.
Noomi Rapace: My son is back in school and I'm prepping for
Noomi Rapace: a film.
Jenny Curtis: Talking about producing, I'd love to jump in immediately with
Jenny Curtis: The Secrets We Keep, which is coming out this week,
Jenny Curtis: September 16th, in theaters and then will be on VOD
Jenny Curtis: in October. You are an EP on the film as
Jenny Curtis: well as the lead. I just would love to hear
Jenny Curtis: about the genesis of this project and yeah, take us
Jenny Curtis: from the beginning.
Noomi Rapace: Yeah, wow. So I was given this script way back,
Noomi Rapace: maybe three, four years ago, and it actually came to
Noomi Rapace: me and Joel because we were looking for something to do
Noomi Rapace: together. Then I read it and I called Joel. I
Noomi Rapace: was like, " Dude, there's something in here. There's a heartbeat.
Noomi Rapace: There's a core. There's a story that needs to be
Noomi Rapace: told." Then I came on board as a producer and
Noomi Rapace: then we started this journey to find a director. So
Noomi Rapace: I met with different directors and when I met Yuval,
Noomi Rapace: that was when it kind of all just fell into
Noomi Rapace: place. I always knew the script needed work, because I
Noomi Rapace: wanted to explore something less known and kind of change
Noomi Rapace: my character into something that was... Originally she was not
Noomi Rapace: of Roma descent, so I kind of wanted to shine
Noomi Rapace: light on a problem and on a situation that people
Noomi Rapace: knew less about. When I met Yuval, he had the
Noomi Rapace: same perspective, so we just clicked straightaway and I called
Noomi Rapace: the other producers and the financiers, and everyone was like, " We have
Noomi Rapace: our director." I was shooting Jack Ryan in New York,
Noomi Rapace: so I went to Yuval's house early mornings and late
Noomi Rapace: nights and we were just sitting and working on the story together.
Noomi Rapace: It was very much our collaboration and us kind of
Noomi Rapace: diving into this world and doing research and finding Maja's
Noomi Rapace: story, my character's story, but also getting to learn the
Noomi Rapace: world back then and what was going on. And it was
Noomi Rapace: our goal to use real events and I kind of
Noomi Rapace: get inspired by things that really happened and work that into
Noomi Rapace: our story. So it became really personal for me and
Noomi Rapace: I am very proud of the film.
Jenny Curtis: Yeah, it's a beautiful film.
Noomi Rapace: Thank you. And you know what's funny, Jenny? Now as a producer I can say
Noomi Rapace: that I'm proud of the film because I find it really
Noomi Rapace: problematic watching myself. I'm not a big fan of me.
Jenny Curtis: Are you kidding?
Noomi Rapace: But as a producer it's like the whole film is
Noomi Rapace: my baby. So I love Chris Messina's performance and Joe's performance
Noomi Rapace: and Amy's performance. I can watch them over and over.
Noomi Rapace: Stepping into the producer chair, I can see the project
Noomi Rapace: with new eyes. I've always had this blurred vision when
Noomi Rapace: I talk about my own films because it's like, " Oh yeah,
Noomi Rapace: my performance and me, me, me," and I find that
Noomi Rapace: a bit problematic. But now I'm like, yeah, no, I'm
Noomi Rapace: proud of the film from the producer's perspective.
Jenny Curtis: Is this your first time producing?
Noomi Rapace: No, it's not, but it's the first time I was
Noomi Rapace: so hands on. And I was sitting with, in weekends
Noomi Rapace: and when we would shoot, we shot in New Orleans.
Noomi Rapace: I was sitting late nights with the other producer and
Noomi Rapace: Yuval and working on the script and working on the
Noomi Rapace: production schedule and into small details. So I was very
Noomi Rapace: hands on and it was incredible. Very hard but very, very
Noomi Rapace: fun. So it's the first time I was that involved,
Noomi Rapace: but I've been executive producer before.
Jenny Curtis: Was it a struggle to kind of take off your
Jenny Curtis: producer hat and put on your actor hat, or did
Jenny Curtis: they kind of blend together?
Noomi Rapace: You know, it's interesting that you ask because I've always been scared
Noomi Rapace: of going between the looking at a story and a
Noomi Rapace: character and being inside it. And I go really deep
Noomi Rapace: into my characters. So I think I had this fear
Noomi Rapace: before that's like, " Oh yeah, I can't do both." I've
Noomi Rapace: been asked to direct films and I was like, " Can't
Noomi Rapace: do that. I need to stay in it. I need to
Noomi Rapace: be on the inside." Funny enough, it was less hard
Noomi Rapace: than I thought, because the responsibility as a producer is
Noomi Rapace: very different from when I'm an actress. Because I always
Noomi Rapace: need to find the truth, the character's own personal navigation
Noomi Rapace: system, like what is her perspective on things? What is her
Noomi Rapace: back story? Who is she? What is she like? What's
Noomi Rapace: her fears? What is her dreams? If I have filled
Noomi Rapace: up myself, my whole tool box of the character's colors,
Noomi Rapace: basically, then I have it. It was kind of interesting
Noomi Rapace: to discover that I could just open that box. It
Noomi Rapace: was almost like a visual thing. I'm interesting almost Narnia.
Noomi Rapace: When you walk in, you open the door and you
Noomi Rapace: step into this universe, and then I close the door
Noomi Rapace: to the producer. And then I remember one day when
Noomi Rapace: Yuval came to me and he was asking something and I
Noomi Rapace: was like, " No, no, no, no. I can't do that
Noomi Rapace: now. I need to stay on this side." Because then
Noomi Rapace: it became split personality for a second. I was like, "
Noomi Rapace: No, I can talk about that in the end of the day." It was
Noomi Rapace: very, very interesting. I felt so connected with Maja. She
Noomi Rapace: kind of came to me quite natural, I would say.
Jenny Curtis: I saw an interview that you did a couple of years ago where
Jenny Curtis: you kind of said you take your characters home with
Jenny Curtis: you and when you're playing them they really affect your life.
Noomi Rapace: They do.
Jenny Curtis: Was it different on this one then, because you were able
Jenny Curtis: to step out and be a producer, or did Maja
Jenny Curtis: affect you in some ways?
Noomi Rapace: I think she affected me even more because some days
Noomi Rapace: I was totally, I felt like I was drowning. It
Noomi Rapace: was like I was pulled down in this emotional roller coaster
Noomi Rapace: and I was doing ice bath. I (inaudible) , that you
Noomi Rapace: met him, my assistant. She was like filling up. She was
Noomi Rapace: like getting those big, big buckets and like big 10
Noomi Rapace: kilos bags of ice and filled up my bathtub. And
Noomi Rapace: I was like in ice for three minute. It's like
Noomi Rapace: cooling down my system and my nightmares, I had a
Noomi Rapace: lot of nightmares that was very much Maja's universe. And
Noomi Rapace: what happened to her when she was young and broken
Noomi Rapace: memories and I totally felt that she took over, but
Noomi Rapace: what was interesting, I managed to be less emotional about
Noomi Rapace: it when I left set. She was there, but I
Noomi Rapace: could have basically put her to sleep. I was like, " Okay,
Noomi Rapace: you rest now I need to step in and sort
Noomi Rapace: some stuff."
Jenny Curtis: Have there been other roles that you couldn't do that
Jenny Curtis: so much?
Noomi Rapace: Oh yeah. The normal me would be that the character
Noomi Rapace: is very much alive in me constantly. But I was
Noomi Rapace: doing research for a film once and I met this
Noomi Rapace: woman who had multiple personality disorder and she said, " There's
Noomi Rapace: many versions of me. They're always here. I see all
Noomi Rapace: these figures and demons and creatures behind you normally when I'm
Noomi Rapace: talking to you, but I choose to ignore them. And
Noomi Rapace: then I will have a conversation with them when we're
Noomi Rapace: done Noomi." And I was like, " Okay." That's how it
Noomi Rapace: normally is for me. My character's always in me and
Noomi Rapace: I go home or normally I'm away somewhere, but I
Noomi Rapace: don't really socialize as much when I'm working. I go
Noomi Rapace: into my own universe and I kind of go to
Noomi Rapace: the gym in the end of the day and I
Noomi Rapace: go to bed. I don't do dinners. I try to
Noomi Rapace: stay in it but it also depends on the character.
Noomi Rapace: Some characters kind of needs more and are more greedy
Noomi Rapace: with my time and my heart. The Girl with a
Noomi Rapace: Dragon Tattoo is maybe one of the most extreme ones,
Noomi Rapace: but it was such a long shoot. We did three films
Noomi Rapace: back to back and it was like six months of preparation.
Noomi Rapace: So is I think a year and a half when
Noomi Rapace: she was living in me. And she very much took over
Noomi Rapace: my soul and my body and my... so I transformed
Noomi Rapace: my look, became her. I was blending in with her
Noomi Rapace: more and more. I remember some of my friends and my
Noomi Rapace: son said to me, at some point, he's like, " I
Noomi Rapace: don't know who you are." I was like, and I
Noomi Rapace: could feel like, " Oh, I'm on the edge now, do
Noomi Rapace: I need to pull myself back?" It's been moments when
Noomi Rapace: I feel like I'm almost tipping over, but I never
Noomi Rapace: did. I always managed to find a balance where it's
Noomi Rapace: like, okay, I know where the edge is. I know
Noomi Rapace: that I could maybe get lost, but I also know
Noomi Rapace: how to bring myself back. And that's something I'm constantly
Noomi Rapace: working on, pulling myself back into, here's the safe spot.
Noomi Rapace: It's almost like a safe word that brings me back to
Noomi Rapace: sanity. But sometimes maybe I think it's sanity. It's not (inaudible)
Noomi Rapace: some films, I don't realize how crazy I was until
Noomi Rapace: I'm done. And then I was like, " Oh, I was quite far gone."
Jenny Curtis: So for The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo for Lizbeth,
Jenny Curtis: was it because of what the character demanded or was
Jenny Curtis: it really the length of having to work on three
Jenny Curtis: projects back to back?
Noomi Rapace: I would say it was combination maybe. And she was also
Noomi Rapace: very cried, broken inside and very much a loner. So
Noomi Rapace: I didn't interact with people and I kind of felt
Noomi Rapace: like I went deeper and deeper into my own universe.
Noomi Rapace: And the less contact you have with people, the less you
Noomi Rapace: share what's going on. And the more you will start answering
Noomi Rapace: yourself, it's almost like you have conversations with yourself rather
Noomi Rapace: than involving others. When I did the Seven Sisters, What
Noomi Rapace: Happened to Monday, when I played seven total different characters,
Noomi Rapace: they took a grip on me and it was like,
Noomi Rapace: they almost hijacked me. It felt like I was having a full blown
Noomi Rapace: relationship with those seven sisters. And I just couldn't interact with
Noomi Rapace: people outside of my own bubble. I remember once when
Noomi Rapace: one of the sisters died, we did a scene and
Noomi Rapace: I lost one of the sisters. And I was talking
Noomi Rapace: to my real sister was in London. We were talking the end of
Noomi Rapace: the day. And she was like, "Is she dead? Did she die
Noomi Rapace: today?" And I just started crying. I like, yeah, she's
Noomi Rapace: gone. And my sister who was home in my house,
Noomi Rapace: she was like sharing the pain with me. It was
Noomi Rapace: this strange. So the only person I could really talk
Noomi Rapace: to was my real sister. And maybe because I was
Noomi Rapace: so much in the sisterhood and what is it to
Noomi Rapace: have sisters, the hate, the love, the competitive side. And
Noomi Rapace: then it's like still, when it comes to someone from
Noomi Rapace: the outside attacking and it was like, " I can fight with
Noomi Rapace: my sister. I can hit my sister but you can't."
Noomi Rapace: I'm going to defend her. I'm going to die for
Noomi Rapace: her. Honestly, I want to kill her. You know what
Noomi Rapace: I mean? So it's been different on every journey sort of.
Jenny Curtis: Just to jump ahead to that because I really did want to
Jenny Curtis: ask you about it because that struck me. I just watched What Happened
Jenny Curtis: to Monday and the scene where you're literally mourning over
Jenny Curtis: her body. And it is your body. What is the
Jenny Curtis: process in playing against yourself? Because I know it's been done,
Jenny Curtis: like it's not uncommon for people to maybe play their
Jenny Curtis: own twin, but playing septuplets, you were really your entire
Jenny Curtis: support (inaudible) .
Noomi Rapace: It was the one man, the seven woman show. It was when
Noomi Rapace: the director, Tommy called me, he wanted me to do
Noomi Rapace: a couple of films before that with him but I
Noomi Rapace: couldn't because I was stuck in the project and whatever.
Noomi Rapace: So we've been trying to find something and then he
Noomi Rapace: called me and he was like, " Yo Nooms, I have something.
Noomi Rapace: It's a crazy story. It's seven brothers, but I can
Noomi Rapace: only see you do this. So if you want to come on board, we
Noomi Rapace: will change it into seven sisters." So I was like, "
Noomi Rapace: Okay, send me the script." I read the script the
Noomi Rapace: same night and I called him the next day. And I
Noomi Rapace: was like, " Man, I'm in, let's bring them to life."
Noomi Rapace: So when we were working on the script and change
Noomi Rapace: it into from seven brothers to seven sisters, I kind
Noomi Rapace: of felt like I had to revisit myself in different
Noomi Rapace: chapters of my life. Like when I was 15, one
Noomi Rapace: of them is more like Noomi as a 15 year
Noomi Rapace: old. One is Noomi as a 18 year old. One is
Noomi Rapace: Noomi at 24. So it felt like they were all
Noomi Rapace: different versions of me. So when I lost, when one
Noomi Rapace: of them died, it was like, I was saying goodbye
Noomi Rapace: to certain chapter of myself and my life, which became
Noomi Rapace: very personal in a way that I couldn't predict before
Noomi Rapace: I was in this situation because it was so I was like playing
Noomi Rapace: my way through the scenes. Some scenes two days to
Noomi Rapace: do because maybe I started on the floor dying and
Noomi Rapace: then in the end of the day I am crying
Noomi Rapace: my eyes out, holding a standing girl, a body and
Noomi Rapace: feeling that my heart breaks because I died and I
Noomi Rapace: lost my sister, but it's also, I lost myself. But
Noomi Rapace: the way I could always use it, like siblings and
Noomi Rapace: twins even more are almost connected in a way that
Noomi Rapace: is so powerful. So Jenny, I felt like I didn't
Noomi Rapace: need anyone else and it scared me. But not because
Noomi Rapace: I was enjoying the time on my own. I was like, "
Noomi Rapace: Oh, this is my show. Look at me. I don't
Noomi Rapace: really have that in me. I love acting because it's connection.
Noomi Rapace: I love to connect." If this was not an interview
Noomi Rapace: about me, I would love to ask you questions and
Noomi Rapace: hear about you and like, where did you grow up?
Noomi Rapace: Like, why are you sitting there and interviewing me? Like
Noomi Rapace: where did your curiosity into people come from? I love
Noomi Rapace: people that I love to connect. I'm so curious. And
Noomi Rapace: I'm like obsessed with understanding stuff. So for me, like
Noomi Rapace: acting is all about connecting. Then when I said yes
Noomi Rapace: to What Happened to Monday, I was terrified that I
Noomi Rapace: wouldn't have any, the only way, my only method in
Noomi Rapace: acting is connection and truth. And how can you connect
Noomi Rapace: with yourself if you're, I'm just here, there's no one
Noomi Rapace: else here. So like having a green room with marks
Noomi Rapace: and tennis balls and crosses and everything is going to
Noomi Rapace: be happening in CGI (inaudible) . It's like, " How am I
Noomi Rapace: even going to function? Like, where's the truth?" Strangely enough,
Noomi Rapace: they all just came to life. It was almost like I did a recording
Noomi Rapace: in my head of the... I played Saturday and then
Noomi Rapace: I switched to Friday and then I could almost see
Noomi Rapace: myself and hear myself. I mean, we did record my
Noomi Rapace: lines. I was listening to my own lines and answering
Noomi Rapace: myself, but it was like, I could see my face
Noomi Rapace: and I could talk to myself. So it was like an inner
Noomi Rapace: cinema that was going on a full on relationship drama,
Noomi Rapace: going on in me.
Jenny Curtis: So they weren't always standards then sometimes you were just talking to nothing.
Noomi Rapace: No sometimes, (crosstalk) , yeah. We kind of used all different techniques.
Jenny Curtis: Wow. Talking about the connection that you just mentioned. I
Jenny Curtis: actually did an interview on somebody else's podcast yesterday and
Jenny Curtis: he was talking to me about how actors are fearless.
Jenny Curtis: I like to consider myself a little bit of an actor, but
Jenny Curtis: like, that's not how I feel because I think it's
Jenny Curtis: all about connection. And to me, fearlessness is not part
Jenny Curtis: of the equation.
Noomi Rapace: I agree, but you know it's funny, I'm so scared
Noomi Rapace: of things. I'm terrified, but I need to confront my fears
Noomi Rapace: and I need to step into those rooms. Like if
Noomi Rapace: I feel like, " Oh, this is too scary." Like, I
Noomi Rapace: don't know. I can't, this paralyzes me. Then it almost
Noomi Rapace: becomes like this thing that I have to do. And
Noomi Rapace: I was like, " Why am I so scared? What is
Noomi Rapace: so dangerous? Like what's on the other side." Then it almost
Noomi Rapace: becomes this need to not be asleep under my own
Noomi Rapace: fear. So it's like, I have so much fear. I
Noomi Rapace: can be maybe not shy, but like I always felt
Noomi Rapace: like such an outsider when I grew up. And I
Noomi Rapace: always felt like I don't belong in this world. I
Noomi Rapace: don't fit in. I'm a weirdo. I'm not like the
Noomi Rapace: other girls. I'm not like the boys, but I want to have with the boys. But I
Noomi Rapace: am a girl that was like, it's kind of stuck between. And I
Noomi Rapace: was like, where's this space for me? And then I
Noomi Rapace: started watching films when I was like 13, maybe out,
Noomi Rapace: I live on this remote farm and films became my
Noomi Rapace: oxygen, my soul oxygen and I felt connected. And then
Noomi Rapace: my fears and my loneliness and my pain and my
Noomi Rapace: personal struggles, there was like a space for them. I
Noomi Rapace: felt like I can fly. I can be. I live
Noomi Rapace: in those stories that are stories being told, there's actors
Noomi Rapace: out there, directors bringing characters to life that are like
Noomi Rapace: me. And then I didn't feel alone. So that's the
Noomi Rapace: connection happened from my little room on this farm with
Noomi Rapace: people probably in LA or in New York or in
Noomi Rapace: London creating stuff and how that's changed me and made
Noomi Rapace: it possible for me to become a better version of myself.
Jenny Curtis: So when you were watching those films, did you know
Jenny Curtis: I'm going to be an actor? That's what I'm going to be.
Noomi Rapace: Yeah. So I grew up between Sweden and Iceland. I
Noomi Rapace: remember I was in my first film, like smallest part
Noomi Rapace: when I was seven and I was on set for three
Noomi Rapace: weeks. But like, if you really look for microscope, you see like,
Noomi Rapace: oh yeah, that little girl. But for me it was major,
Noomi Rapace: it changed my life. So I was on set for
Noomi Rapace: three weeks and the director was a crazy Icelandic, very
Noomi Rapace: loud man. And people were a bit scared of it, but I remember just
Noomi Rapace: feeling very included. I remember one day we've been working
Noomi Rapace: 14 hours, 15 hours without breaks. And everyone was tired.
Noomi Rapace: Like people like, " Oh, we need a break." Or I
Noomi Rapace: think they wanted to wrap up the day and he
Noomi Rapace: just lost it. And he was like, " What is wrong with
Noomi Rapace: you? You're not real artist, dah, dah, dah." I was sitting
Noomi Rapace: next to him, just like quiet and like didn't dare
Noomi Rapace: to look at him. And he was like, " How old
Noomi Rapace: are you?" I was like seven. He's like, " She's a
Noomi Rapace: real actress. She doesn't complain. Look at her." And I was like, " Okay, this is
Noomi Rapace: what I got." I think from that moment, like he planted a seed
Noomi Rapace: in me and I was like, this is where I
Noomi Rapace: want to be. And then we moved back to Sweden
Noomi Rapace: and I was like 11, 12, 13 and I had my tales in
Noomi Rapace: me and that dream was very far away. But then
Noomi Rapace: when I was 15, I just brought myself together and
Noomi Rapace: I was like forced myself to make a decision. So I
Noomi Rapace: left my family and I moved to Stockholm, which was
Noomi Rapace: eight hours away. It's a long drive and I went
Noomi Rapace: to a drama high school drama college. So that's when
Noomi Rapace: I reconnected with the dream that started when I was seven.
Jenny Curtis: Now, leaving home that young, was it like, I'm leaving
Jenny Curtis: you to go to school and I'm going to go
Jenny Curtis: to this high school or college or were you leaving
Jenny Curtis: home and then you found your way to school?
Noomi Rapace: No, I knew where I was going. I've always had this
Noomi Rapace: very strong... I'm very stubborn. And I told my family,
Noomi Rapace: it's like, " I'm leaving. I'm going to go to this school." It was
Noomi Rapace: like, I had to audition to the school, like there
Noomi Rapace: was like three really hard auditions and I was like
Noomi Rapace: managed to get in. And I just said to them, "
Noomi Rapace: I'm moving and I'm leaving." They didn't stop me and
Noomi Rapace: they let me go. Which, I mean, my son is
Noomi Rapace: 17 now and I would never let him go. I can't
Noomi Rapace: understand how you can let your 15 year old daughter move.
Noomi Rapace: But I was very determined and very, I kind of knew
Noomi Rapace: that I had to do it. I felt like things
Noomi Rapace: were not good and I wouldn't have turned into a
Noomi Rapace: human that I wanted to be if I would've stayed. So it was
Noomi Rapace: necessary and I became sober, I left. And I came
Noomi Rapace: to this new city. I've never been in a big
Noomi Rapace: city. I was like a farm girl. I was a good
Noomi Rapace: drinker and I know how to build things and I
Noomi Rapace: could ride horses. I was good with everything that was
Noomi Rapace: creating and building and painting and farm work. That was
Noomi Rapace: my skills. But like, I've never been in an escalator
Noomi Rapace: when I was like 15, I could hardly write and read because I went to alternative school. So I came like this. I don't know if he ever
Noomi Rapace: saw this film with Jodie foster called Mill.
Jenny Curtis: I did a long time ago. Yeah.
Noomi Rapace: I felt like now I came to the big city. I'm like, oh, I'm like,
Noomi Rapace: this is wild kid that doesn't know how to behave.
Noomi Rapace: So I was basically quiet for a couple of years
Noomi Rapace: just studying human behavior. It's like, this is how the
Noomi Rapace: sophisticated, people with knowledge, that's how they move in the
Noomi Rapace: world. I was studying how people did things.
Jenny Curtis: Which is part of being an actor is studying other
Jenny Curtis: humans. So when you were at school, were you studying
Jenny Curtis: a specific technique or anything? Or how did they train you?
Noomi Rapace: I would say that it was a cocktail of different
Noomi Rapace: things. And then the last year I started working when
Noomi Rapace: I was 16, I got a part in a TV
Noomi Rapace: show. So I started filming when I was 16 and
Noomi Rapace: I did 12 episodes of the biggest show in Sweden
Noomi Rapace: back then. It was-
Jenny Curtis: Oh wow.
Noomi Rapace: ... really bad but everyone saw it. And I was
Noomi Rapace: like, I remember I saw one episode and I was like, " Oh my
Noomi Rapace: days, this is so bad. I can't see this." I was like
Noomi Rapace: 16. I was like this, no, no, no. And then I started
Noomi Rapace: doing theater. So I started working. I was just working,
Noomi Rapace: working, working and I think I created my own method
Noomi Rapace: and it always brought me back to truth. So what
Noomi Rapace: I try to do, I'm obsessed with real stories. And
Noomi Rapace: I was actually talking to David Ayer, who directed me
Noomi Rapace: in Bright. We were like texting the other night and we're
Noomi Rapace: talking about art. And for me, art is freedom and
Noomi Rapace: arts and films is universe of total freedom because there's
Noomi Rapace: no right and wrong. There's no good and bad. You
Noomi Rapace: have, you can be anything and everything. The only thing
Noomi Rapace: you need to know is honesty somehow and that I
Noomi Rapace: can do. It's not about looking a certain way. It's
Noomi Rapace: not about vanity. It's not about being cute. It's not
Noomi Rapace: about being smart. It's about knowing and having a navigation
Noomi Rapace: in yourself. It's like, okay, this is where it's truthful.
Noomi Rapace: This is where the character is in line with everything.
Noomi Rapace: And it's not about putting on a show for me.
Noomi Rapace: It's not about faking stuff. It's about feeling it and
Noomi Rapace: living from the inside and like relating to it rather
Noomi Rapace: than like putting on things.
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Jenny Curtis: So with Bright, your character was scary. She was great.
Noomi Rapace: Yeah, I love her.
Jenny Curtis: I think they should have put you in way more
Jenny Curtis: of the film. I wanted all of your story.
Noomi Rapace: Well, thank you. I loved her. She was such amazing
Noomi Rapace: villain with a broken heart. She was bleeding inside and
Noomi Rapace: all that blood turned black and she was like, " Oh,
Noomi Rapace: I'm going to destroy you."
Jenny Curtis: That kind of metaphor. Is that how you connect to
Jenny Curtis: your characters? You kind of see visually, like this is
Jenny Curtis: the description and that's how I'm getting in. That's my pathway
Jenny Curtis: into this character.
Noomi Rapace: It's different every time I would say. When I did
Noomi Rapace: The Drop with Tom Hardy, I went to Queens and
Noomi Rapace: Brooklyn and I went to rescue dog centers. And I
Noomi Rapace: was just there like cleaning dog shit and just listening
Noomi Rapace: to how the people around me were talking. I was
Noomi Rapace: like slowly, she came to me. I didn't, because there
Noomi Rapace: was nothing to study. There was not really research to
Noomi Rapace: do. I spoke to Dennis Lehane who created her and
Noomi Rapace: who was the writer who was incredible, who I adore.
Noomi Rapace: I spoke to the director and slowly she came to
Noomi Rapace: me, but I didn't feel like I needed to go
Noomi Rapace: out and catch her. I was like, I'm going to trust the
Noomi Rapace: process. I knew what she came from. I decided what
Noomi Rapace: kind of upbringing she had and like her dad and
Noomi Rapace: what happened to her. And then I knew that she
Noomi Rapace: had been in a bad relationship with my Mateus (inaudible)
Noomi Rapace: character. And like when I kind of filled myself with
Noomi Rapace: all her, almost like a photo album of her past,
Noomi Rapace: her movements and the way she dressed and she was
Noomi Rapace: wearing this really sticky, sweet perfume that Noomi, that me
Noomi Rapace: I hate it, but it just made so much sense.
Noomi Rapace: So it kind of felt like I just like slided
Noomi Rapace: into becoming her. And then she more about her than
Noomi Rapace: I did. There was a scene that was not in the
Noomi Rapace: script that I was like begging the director to shoot. I
Noomi Rapace: was like, " We need to have this moment where we
Noomi Rapace: see her alone with her ex boyfriend to understand the
Noomi Rapace: relationship they have before they go off to the bar
Noomi Rapace: with Tom Hardy works. We need to see how he
Noomi Rapace: controls her and how she's trapped in this dysfunctional but
Noomi Rapace: still a love relationship. And it was like, that would be the
Noomi Rapace: last puzzle piece we need to understand fully who she
Noomi Rapace: is because she will never tell anyone, but we will
Noomi Rapace: see how her body just like react to him being
Noomi Rapace: in the room. So I always had this like strong
Noomi Rapace: sense of like same when I did Prometheus. I read
Noomi Rapace: the script and straight away fell in love with Elizabeth
Noomi Rapace: Shaw and I had like several conversations with Ridley. And
Noomi Rapace: then I was like I think there's two missing beats,
Noomi Rapace: small little glue scenes, but I feel like we need
Noomi Rapace: to just tell the story about her a little bit
Noomi Rapace: more, just to make her human and to show a
Noomi Rapace: bit of her vulnerability and her fears because she has
Noomi Rapace: a strong mind, but her body is breaking. So the
Noomi Rapace: conflict between mind and body. So I've always had the
Noomi Rapace: sense and I guess that is almost a producer hat
Noomi Rapace: again, and to see the arc of the characters, not just
Noomi Rapace: from the character's perspective, like in the storyline, in the
Noomi Rapace: curve and the wave of the story, what does the audience
Noomi Rapace: need to see to be able to relate to her?
Jenny Curtis: Well, and it's also like on a set, everybody's doing
Jenny Curtis: their job and they're doing the best they can, but
Jenny Curtis: it's sort of the actor's job to go to bat
Jenny Curtis: for their character because sometimes it's not someone else's focus.
Jenny Curtis: Can we hear more about times you've gone to bat for
Jenny Curtis: your characters?
Noomi Rapace: Oh my God. Every time. And it's always like, I don't want
Noomi Rapace: to be pretty. I want to be real. I think it was Joel Kinnaman who said
Noomi Rapace: to me at one point he was like, " I guess it's not a Noomi
Noomi Rapace: character if you don't look like shit in the end.
Noomi Rapace: I was like, mm-hmm (affirmative), one day, Jenny, I'm going to
Noomi Rapace: look flawless and be beautiful. I mean clueless or something.
Noomi Rapace: But like since day one I did theater for 10
Noomi Rapace: years, that was my school. And I always felt like,
Noomi Rapace: why do we women and girls need to be pretty
Noomi Rapace: and likable and sweet and adorable and approachable? Why can't
Noomi Rapace: we just be fully humans with all our flaws and
Noomi Rapace: all our brokenness and anger and aggression and whatever it
Noomi Rapace: is. All the colors needs to be allowed to come
Noomi Rapace: out. That's something I've been defending and arguing in a
Noomi Rapace: lot of rooms since I was like 19, when people (inaudible)
Noomi Rapace: like, who is she? What is she doing here? I
Noomi Rapace: was like, (inaudible) like knocking on the door to
Noomi Rapace: the producers. And the director is like, I have an
Noomi Rapace: idea. And I was like, wait, what? We didn't invite you. I was like, no, but it's
Noomi Rapace: a really good idea.
Jenny Curtis: Is it true you refuse to go on magazine covers
Jenny Curtis: as Lizbeth because she was wouldn't have done that?
Noomi Rapace: Yeah. I said no to so many things. I was like because
Noomi Rapace: I kind of stepped into Lisbeth shoes and I was like, she would
Noomi Rapace: never do this. And I remember that I got awarded
Noomi Rapace: as the sexiest woman, dah, dah, dah for GQ magazine.
Noomi Rapace: I don't remember what it was and they wanted me
Noomi Rapace: to come and take the award. And I was like, "No, I can't. She would be very upset.
Noomi Rapace: She wouldn't do that. This is against everything she believed
Noomi Rapace: in. She didn't want to be labeled. She didn't want
Noomi Rapace: to be judged that someone would like look at her
Noomi Rapace: as a sexual creature that would be put into a
Noomi Rapace: box, we rate you highly as a sexual creature. She
Noomi Rapace: would be like, you know what? Yeah, it sounds like can't do it." That
Noomi Rapace: my loyalty to her was stronger than everything else. And
Noomi Rapace: then I remember they wanted me to do, obviously the production, wanted
Noomi Rapace: me to do a lot of press and do covers
Noomi Rapace: and I was like, you can't do it. And they were like what? And
Noomi Rapace: there was like one magazine that I wanted to do. And it
Noomi Rapace: was like a men's magazine that only did men on
Noomi Rapace: the cover. And I was like, yeah, but I can sit in
Noomi Rapace: the suits. I could just like be me in a
Noomi Rapace: suit. And they're like, " No, we don't want you." And
Noomi Rapace: now funny enough, that magazine just reached out to my team recently
Noomi Rapace: and was like, we want her on the cover now. I was like, " Okay, can
Noomi Rapace: I be a man on the cover?"
Jenny Curtis: What did they say? Did they say yeah.
Noomi Rapace: They said yes, no. Yeah. I mean, I think it
Noomi Rapace: will do it for when I'm promoting a film that
Noomi Rapace: way makes sense.
Jenny Curtis: Yeah. So going back to The Secrets We Keep because
Jenny Curtis: you brought up how Joel Kinnaman and you were looking for
Jenny Curtis: a project together. So he was in it from the
Jenny Curtis: start. How did you find Chris Messina? How did he
Jenny Curtis: come on board?
Noomi Rapace: Oh, Chris, I went to the premiere of sharp objects in
Noomi Rapace: LA. I was invited by someone. I don't remember someone
Noomi Rapace: that was working on the show. I'm a big fan
Noomi Rapace: of Amy Adams, so I was like really looking forward
Noomi Rapace: to see her, bring this character to life. And then
Noomi Rapace: I discovered Chris and I was like, "Who is this man? He's
Noomi Rapace: amazing. And he's so full of life. And he has
Noomi Rapace: this desperation and strength and vulnerability at the same time." And I
Noomi Rapace: was like, " Wow." And it's really hard to play those
Noomi Rapace: cop roles. I remember that he brought that character to
Noomi Rapace: life in the most beautiful way. And then I had
Noomi Rapace: him in mind, I was like, I want to find something to
Noomi Rapace: do with him. So when Yuval started the casting process
Noomi Rapace: and he was on one of the lists I was like, yes, yes, he's
Noomi Rapace: amazing. And then we were like, he was shooting some
Noomi Rapace: crazy project up in Canada and then we were face
Noomi Rapace: timing. Yuval was basically sitting like this and I was like, looking at Chris, like
Noomi Rapace: it's like obsessed with him. Like he was like, Oh,
Noomi Rapace: she's a bit too much. And then me and Yuval
Noomi Rapace: came off the call. I was like, " He's amazing. It feels like
Noomi Rapace: I'm married to him." I could feel the connection even
Noomi Rapace: though he's in Canada, I'm sitting in New York from
Noomi Rapace: day one and I loved every moment with him every
Noomi Rapace: second. And same with Amy. She's so amazing. She's such
Noomi Rapace: an incredible actress and a director. So when she came
Noomi Rapace: on board and we were discussing the scenes and she
Noomi Rapace: was moving so easily between... I mean, she's not a
Noomi Rapace: producer on the film, but she was a producer like
Noomi Rapace: she embraces the story. She was talking about like, " Oh
Noomi Rapace: yeah, if I say this in this scene, that will
Noomi Rapace: help you guys later on." And I was like, I
Noomi Rapace: was just sitting like in awe and like admiring her. I was like, "
Noomi Rapace: I'm going to be like you." So he was truly,
Noomi Rapace: I feel like everyone involved really went into it with
Noomi Rapace: great passion. It was very much a collaborative process. And
Noomi Rapace: obviously that is Yuval's way. He's Israeli. So very straight
Noomi Rapace: to the point. He never sugar coats anything. You know
Noomi Rapace: what he feels on things. Sometimes it's like we were
Noomi Rapace: clashing like this. And I was like, " No," he was like, " Yes, (inaudible)
Noomi Rapace: ." Who is the strongest? And I was like, I'm half Spanish. I will
Noomi Rapace: never surrender and then it's like, in the end of it, I was like, okay. So it was a hard shoot. It
Noomi Rapace: was really hard, but he had so much fun at
Noomi Rapace: the same time.
Jenny Curtis: What were some of the challenges you had on set?
Noomi Rapace: We had a six week shoot and there was a period
Noomi Rapace: drama. So it was quite long days. I think it was in
Noomi Rapace: every day and it was like really long emotionally every day
Noomi Rapace: felt like a week. And then just finding the balance
Noomi Rapace: and carrying it all in our bodies. Basically the story
Noomi Rapace: is that I'm a housewife in the 50s, in a sleepy, beautiful
Noomi Rapace: small town in Louisiana. And I'm married to a doctor.
Noomi Rapace: I'm working with him at the office at the doctor's
Noomi Rapace: office. We have the beautiful son. My life is pretty
Noomi Rapace: good, even though I shut down things in myself. So
Noomi Rapace: I have on dealt inner scars that are there, but
Noomi Rapace: repressing them and dealing with them as much as I
Noomi Rapace: can. And then one day I see this man and I'm convinced
Noomi Rapace: that he is someone that did horrible things to me
Noomi Rapace: and to my sister 15 years ago. And she gets
Noomi Rapace: obsessed with him basically. Then she starts following him and
Noomi Rapace: she follows him home to his house and she realizes
Noomi Rapace: that he has a family and kids and she gets
Noomi Rapace: like drawn into his world and she can't let it
Noomi Rapace: go. And things are starting to flush up in her
Noomi Rapace: and like almost like pieces that you can't really put together.
Noomi Rapace: So she doesn't understand what's happening first. And then she
Noomi Rapace: gets more and more convinced that she needs him to
Noomi Rapace: help her understand what happened. And he is the voice. He's
Noomi Rapace: the answer to what happened. And then she kidnaps him,
Noomi Rapace: puts him in the basement and forces her husband to come
Noomi Rapace: in on it. And she has her son upstairs. So
Noomi Rapace: she starts living this double life. And what I find
Noomi Rapace: so intriguing and fascinated with this whole story is that
Noomi Rapace: it really deals with the biggest issues and the biggest
Noomi Rapace: questions in life, forgiveness, revenge. Avenging, if you strike back
Noomi Rapace: on someone who did something wrong to you, and if
Noomi Rapace: you break that person equally, would you heal yourself? Can
Noomi Rapace: you come out the other side? And then she thinks
Noomi Rapace: she's in control. She thinks that she just needs those
Noomi Rapace: answers. She thinks that she wants to hurt him and
Noomi Rapace: then she realizes that she just needs to know what
Noomi Rapace: happened. She just wants him to admit that he did
Noomi Rapace: it and he just keeps denying. And he keeps saying, "
Noomi Rapace: It's not me. You've mistaken me for somebody else." And
Noomi Rapace: my husband doubts me and everyone doubts me now. I
Noomi Rapace: felt as Noomi that I'm going insane. I'm losing myself and
Noomi Rapace: I'm slowly it felt like I was in the swamp
Noomi Rapace: outside of New Orleans and like just slowly losing oxygen. It felt
Noomi Rapace: like I was like breathing through a straw. Some days
Noomi Rapace: I was just holding Yuval. It's like, okay. And he
Noomi Rapace: was like go in, like one more take. And I was like, okay (inaudible)
Noomi Rapace: is my rock and he was with me on set
Noomi Rapace: and my beautiful assistant. Some days, I was just like, " I don't know if
Noomi Rapace: I can do it." She's like, " You can do it." I
Noomi Rapace: allowed myself to go to a place where I didn't
Noomi Rapace: really feel safe. I felt so safe with my director
Noomi Rapace: and my co- stars. So I could allow myself to
Noomi Rapace: take the risk in me to set myself free and
Noomi Rapace: to really touch the edge, to throw myself into her former.
Noomi Rapace: And I felt like she was like a shattered mirror.
Noomi Rapace: And then she was like, almost like you remember that
Noomi Rapace: film Memento, Guy Pearce that I love. I kind of
Noomi Rapace: felt like I was living in Memento, because I had
Noomi Rapace: all these reflections of my past and all of myself and
Noomi Rapace: I was running, but then I was also sitting right
Noomi Rapace: there, but then I was lying down. I couldn't put
Noomi Rapace: the pieces together and that kind of happened in me
Noomi Rapace: and in my dreams. So that made the shoot very
Noomi Rapace: intensive and very hard, but also I knew from the
Noomi Rapace: get go that that was the place I had to
Noomi Rapace: go to.
Jenny Curtis: So besides ice baths, how do you take care of
Jenny Curtis: yourself in that kind of situation?
Noomi Rapace: Well, I work out once or twice a day. I'm
Noomi Rapace: very strict with my diet when I'm working. So I
Noomi Rapace: don't want to go on a sugar rush rollercoaster because
Noomi Rapace: it just messes up my whole system. I'm very disciplined.
Noomi Rapace: I don't drink alcohol. I don't go out. I can't
Noomi Rapace: really put myself in situations where I feel like I
Noomi Rapace: add adrenaline to myself. It's strange, my own discipline and
Noomi Rapace: my own mind is probably my strongest tool. So I
Noomi Rapace: always stick, I almost build up like walls that I
Noomi Rapace: could bounce back on. So in the end of the day,
Noomi Rapace: I go to the gym, no matter what, and I
Noomi Rapace: will sweat out the character. I will take a bath,
Noomi Rapace: Epsom salt and ice bath, I go between them. And
Noomi Rapace: then I go to bed and I listen to music
Noomi Rapace: before or after in the mornings and in the evenings.
Noomi Rapace: And I try to not interact in too many other
Noomi Rapace: things. I can't watch movies. I can't talk to people
Noomi Rapace: really. I try to just stay as protected as possible
Noomi Rapace: from the outside world, so I have time to heal
Noomi Rapace: and to process and reset my mind and my body
Noomi Rapace: for the next day. But I also feel like for
Noomi Rapace: every day it's like (inaudible) and it's almost like I'm in the
Noomi Rapace: end, I'm always rolling.
Jenny Curtis: You do your own stunts as well. Don't you?
Noomi Rapace: Yeah. Most of them as much as they allow me
Noomi Rapace: to do. In What Happened to Monday, I did most
Noomi Rapace: of them, but like, I mean, obviously it seems when
Noomi Rapace: I'm fighting myself. So we had an amazing stunt double that played me
Noomi Rapace: fighting me. I was fighting her as we were switching
Noomi Rapace: characters, but there was one day when I was doing Wednesday jumps
Noomi Rapace: from a window down in a dumpster, that's like four
Noomi Rapace: stores up or something. And they were like, that's no way you can
Noomi Rapace: do that. And my stunt double did an amazing job that
Noomi Rapace: day, but she also so bruised. It doesn't matter how
Noomi Rapace: good you are. You always get a bit bruised up.
Jenny Curtis: Oh yeah.
Noomi Rapace: My nose broke on a job. My toe broke. I broke a
Noomi Rapace: rib, pull muscles. My body is basically a map of
Noomi Rapace: scars and all the inches, you can see here and
Noomi Rapace: then it's a bit wide over here. (inaudible) .
Jenny Curtis: So then in that case, like when you're taking care
Jenny Curtis: of yourself and going to the gym, are you doing
Jenny Curtis: a full day of stunt sometimes and then going and working out or
Jenny Curtis: can you take a break after that?
Noomi Rapace: I would adjust my workout then, and maybe do more
Noomi Rapace: of a stretching pilates program. I try to be kind
Noomi Rapace: to myself nowadays. I was harder on myself when I
Noomi Rapace: was younger, but also it comes down to the people you have around
Noomi Rapace: you. I have an amazing team around me that truly
Noomi Rapace: helps me heal and stay on the right side of
Noomi Rapace: sanity, insanity. And then sometimes I can't talk like it
Noomi Rapace: becomes overwhelming and then they will stir me a little
Noomi Rapace: bit into the right direction. It's like, " Okay, here's your
Noomi Rapace: food, here's your coffee, sit down. I'm going to tell everyone that you need a moment." And then I'm
Noomi Rapace: like, okay.
Jenny Curtis: Oh man, I know we're running out of time. I
Jenny Curtis: have so much I want to talk to you about.
Noomi Rapace: I love talking to you. I was talking to my
Noomi Rapace: friend, you know Barry Kewan is amazing actor. I'm so bad
Noomi Rapace: with pronouncing his last name. He's Irish. He was in
Noomi Rapace: a Killing of a Sacred Deer. Did you see that
Noomi Rapace: one?
Jenny Curtis: Yeah.
Noomi Rapace: One of my favorite films. He's an amazing actor. You
Noomi Rapace: would totally recognize his face. Anyways, we were talking before we started this interview. I was like, "
Noomi Rapace: Interviews can be really hard because sometimes the questions are like not so
Noomi Rapace: fun." And then I was like, " I'm going to see how this
Noomi Rapace: one goes." And now I'm really happy. I'm going to report back to him and say, " She's amazing."
Jenny Curtis: That means so much to me.
Noomi Rapace: Because you really want to go into the questions, which
Noomi Rapace: I appreciate and prefer.
Jenny Curtis: My final question that I've fallen in love with wrapping
Jenny Curtis: up all my interviews this way is what does it
Jenny Curtis: mean to you to have a life in storytelling?
Noomi Rapace: Wow. Everything. We live in a world now that is
Noomi Rapace: so mad and so crazy. And most days it gives
Noomi Rapace: me heartache because I look around and I'm like, " How can we
Noomi Rapace: still be dealing with those issues? How is it even possible?
Noomi Rapace: How come we haven't gotten further?" And then I'm like, "
Noomi Rapace: Okay, but I have this power. I have a superpower
Noomi Rapace: because I can decide what movies I bring to life.
Noomi Rapace: I can decide what I want to send out there.
Noomi Rapace: I will put my mark on his face by my
Noomi Rapace: choices. And I can be a part of a narrative
Noomi Rapace: that is not from a place of hate and ignorance and stupidity."
Noomi Rapace: And that for me, being a storyteller and being less
Noomi Rapace: and have to be in my position to get to
Noomi Rapace: work with people that are incredible, brave people, people that
Noomi Rapace: wants to tell stories that are maybe not always comfortable
Noomi Rapace: or that are needed and necessary. That for me is
Noomi Rapace: the greatest gift.
Jenny Curtis: Noomi Rapace, thank you so much.
Noomi Rapace: Thank you.
Jenny Curtis: So much for joining me today. This has been just
Jenny Curtis: an unbelievable conversation and I was so looking forward to
Jenny Curtis: talking to you because you're (crosstalk) .
Noomi Rapace: Oh, thank you. You're amazing. Thank you for this. It
Noomi Rapace: was truly, actually fun talking to you.
Jenny Curtis: Oh wow. Well, you're welcome to come back any time.
Noomi Rapace: Amazing. Maybe I'll interview you next time.
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