1 00:00:00,009 --> 00:00:02,079 Speaker 1: So Tom, I, I thought I'd start with this whole 2 00:00:02,089 --> 00:00:04,869 Speaker 1: uh little uh situation going on. I had not read 3 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:08,090 Speaker 1: much about this. So PSPP, so POA Pierre Plamondon, uh 4 00:00:08,420 --> 00:00:11,789 Speaker 1: calling up Francois go uh to what does he say? 5 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:16,370 Speaker 1: Drop his quote, unhealthy defeatism on independence. What is this about? 6 00:00:17,250 --> 00:00:21,319 Speaker 2: Well, this is PSPP having far too much fun with 7 00:00:21,329 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 2: former separatist Francois Leggo. What you have to know about 8 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:26,620 Speaker 2: Leggo is that when he was in the pots, Quebecois Aaron, 9 00:00:26,969 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 2: he used to, I was in the house when this 10 00:00:29,370 --> 00:00:31,030 Speaker 2: guy arrived and he was supposed to be their big 11 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,419 Speaker 2: savior because for the first time, they had a decent 12 00:00:33,430 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 2: credentialed businessman and as part of their caucus, 13 00:00:36,990 --> 00:00:40,250 Speaker 2: he was abysmal when he arrived. He quickly took lessons 14 00:00:40,259 --> 00:00:41,860 Speaker 2: to learn how to speak in the house, but he 15 00:00:41,869 --> 00:00:43,369 Speaker 2: was a bit full of himself and he used to 16 00:00:43,380 --> 00:00:45,668 Speaker 2: always tell the other papists who had spent their whole 17 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:50,169 Speaker 2: lives working for Quebec sovereignty that he was the real deal. 18 00:00:50,180 --> 00:00:52,110 Speaker 2: He was much more of a separatist than they were 19 00:00:52,119 --> 00:00:54,500 Speaker 2: and he was in more of a hurry than they were. 20 00:00:54,750 --> 00:00:59,159 Speaker 2: So when he finally dropped that facade and decided that 21 00:00:59,169 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 2: he was going to put together this coalition of people 22 00:01:01,209 --> 00:01:02,290 Speaker 2: who were in favor of Quebec, 23 00:01:03,130 --> 00:01:07,059 Speaker 2: Quebec, what autonomy, not necessarily independence and he was going 24 00:01:07,069 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 2: to work for that. Do you remember we've talked about 25 00:01:08,730 --> 00:01:11,910 Speaker 2: it before this famous interview he gave in Actuality magazine 26 00:01:12,019 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 2: before the 2018 campaign. He's going after powers in what 27 00:01:15,970 --> 00:01:19,379 Speaker 2: he's going after powers in culture. He's going after powers 28 00:01:19,389 --> 00:01:22,830 Speaker 2: in language. And most importantly in this discussion, going after 29 00:01:22,839 --> 00:01:27,309 Speaker 2: powers in immigration, especially the family reunification. Part of it, 30 00:01:28,029 --> 00:01:30,910 Speaker 2: he he last week, if you read my article last 31 00:01:30,919 --> 00:01:33,529 Speaker 2: week in the gazette, you heard, you saw me predict 32 00:01:33,540 --> 00:01:37,580 Speaker 2: that Lago was going for a referendum on autonomy back 33 00:01:37,589 --> 00:01:40,669 Speaker 2: in two in 1998 when the Supreme Court ruled on 34 00:01:40,900 --> 00:01:45,930 Speaker 2: secession separation. They said clear answer to a clear question, 35 00:01:45,940 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 2: clear majority, you have to negotiate, but that doesn't only 36 00:01:49,129 --> 00:01:52,110 Speaker 2: apply to a negotiation on secession that applies to any 37 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,230 Speaker 2: clear mandate from the people of a province to their 38 00:01:54,239 --> 00:01:56,239 Speaker 2: government to negotiate a constitutional change. 39 00:01:56,629 --> 00:01:58,730 Speaker 2: And this is where I see the committee that he 40 00:01:58,739 --> 00:02:01,230 Speaker 2: struck the week before as being a bit of a setup. 41 00:02:01,239 --> 00:02:02,989 Speaker 2: He's going to have these people come back and tell 42 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,250 Speaker 2: him what he wants to hear. He should have more powers, 43 00:02:05,260 --> 00:02:08,089 Speaker 2: he should have a referendum. Now, every time he talks 44 00:02:08,100 --> 00:02:11,210 Speaker 2: about that and he talked about it in several interviews. Yesterday, 45 00:02:11,610 --> 00:02:13,369 Speaker 2: Leggo goes out of his way to say what a 46 00:02:13,380 --> 00:02:16,978 Speaker 2: terrible waste of time. Another referendum on independence would be 47 00:02:17,029 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 2: a third losing referendum on independence would be a tragedy 48 00:02:20,970 --> 00:02:22,978 Speaker 2: and a travesty. And that's why it would be a 49 00:02:22,990 --> 00:02:24,529 Speaker 2: big mistake to go down that road. 50 00:02:24,770 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 2: This of course sets ST Pierre Clemon, the head of 51 00:02:27,690 --> 00:02:30,869 Speaker 2: the pqs hair on fire. He goes nuts and says, 52 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 2: don't you dare say that it's not a good idea 53 00:02:32,529 --> 00:02:34,779 Speaker 2: to have another referendum on separation. That's the only thing 54 00:02:34,788 --> 00:02:36,690 Speaker 2: I've got going into the next election. So he wants 55 00:02:36,699 --> 00:02:38,529 Speaker 2: to have that fight with Lago and the go is 56 00:02:38,538 --> 00:02:40,309 Speaker 2: more than willing to have it because Leggo knows that 57 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,750 Speaker 2: only 33% of Quebec would ever vote for separation. Pure 58 00:02:43,758 --> 00:02:46,949 Speaker 2: and simple. So he's trying to crab walk towards some 59 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:51,389 Speaker 2: sort of simile separation in the form of warrants powers. 60 00:02:51,690 --> 00:02:54,149 Speaker 2: And you know what if he does that referendum, I 61 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,089 Speaker 2: would love to see who the No committee is going 62 00:02:57,100 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 2: to be comprised of because you can see guys like 63 00:02:59,449 --> 00:03:02,500 Speaker 2: Keith Henderson and some of his friends in there on 64 00:03:02,508 --> 00:03:03,859 Speaker 2: the no committee and who else is going to be 65 00:03:03,869 --> 00:03:06,149 Speaker 2: in there? All the same Pierre Plan Mde of the 66 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,070 Speaker 2: Patsy in in the No committee I would do and 67 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 2: I'll buy popcorn to watch those meetings take place. 68 00:03:12,570 --> 00:03:15,910 Speaker 1: So yelling from the other corner uh at Fran Oligo 69 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,839 Speaker 1: today beyond PSPP is uh Mark Miller, of course, our 70 00:03:18,850 --> 00:03:20,070 Speaker 1: Federal Immigration Minister. 71 00:03:20,830 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 2: Well, it's about high time because Miller is one of 72 00:03:23,008 --> 00:03:25,978 Speaker 2: the smartest people in in cabinet when Trudeau came out 73 00:03:25,990 --> 00:03:29,729 Speaker 2: of his meeting eight days ago with Leggo Trudeau said 74 00:03:29,740 --> 00:03:32,809 Speaker 2: something that was extraordinarily important. He said most of the 75 00:03:32,820 --> 00:03:36,009 Speaker 2: temporary immigrants in Quebec were chosen or approved by Quebec, 76 00:03:36,020 --> 00:03:36,889 Speaker 2: which is true. 77 00:03:37,559 --> 00:03:39,610 Speaker 2: And by the way, Quebec has more powers than any 78 00:03:39,619 --> 00:03:42,850 Speaker 2: other province in immigration, especially on temporary immigration. And this 79 00:03:42,860 --> 00:03:45,580 Speaker 2: goes all the way back to deals signed between Barasa 80 00:03:45,589 --> 00:03:48,220 Speaker 2: and Mulroney in the wake of the failure of the 81 00:03:48,229 --> 00:03:51,899 Speaker 2: Mile Accords. So this and Quebec doesn't even use the 82 00:03:51,910 --> 00:03:53,979 Speaker 2: powers that it has and yet yet it's whining about 83 00:03:53,990 --> 00:03:56,940 Speaker 2: more and the go goes further. He just the same 84 00:03:56,949 --> 00:03:58,869 Speaker 2: thing he does on language, Aaron. He says, oh, the 85 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,059 Speaker 2: French is in terrible shape. French is in dire straits 86 00:04:02,070 --> 00:04:05,699 Speaker 2: real danger for the French language in Montreal, which is Holcomb. 87 00:04:05,774 --> 00:04:08,774 Speaker 2: If you read the reports by the real experts and 88 00:04:08,785 --> 00:04:11,065 Speaker 2: Leggo is not one of them. They say no, it's 89 00:04:11,074 --> 00:04:12,865 Speaker 2: just not true. There have never been a, there's never 90 00:04:12,875 --> 00:04:14,335 Speaker 2: been a higher percentage of people who can hold a 91 00:04:14,345 --> 00:04:17,394 Speaker 2: conversation in French in Montreal. So this is just baloney 92 00:04:17,404 --> 00:04:20,325 Speaker 2: what he's spinning but he spins it for political purposes. 93 00:04:20,334 --> 00:04:21,993 Speaker 2: He had the temerity to say 94 00:04:22,678 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 2: that 100% of the housing problem was caused by temporary immigrants. 95 00:04:26,980 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 2: If you go to the gas bay, there's no housing available, 96 00:04:29,450 --> 00:04:31,450 Speaker 2: that's not the fault of immigrants. There are hardly any 97 00:04:31,459 --> 00:04:33,178 Speaker 2: immigrants there. The same thing if you go out in 98 00:04:33,190 --> 00:04:35,558 Speaker 2: the upper ST Morris region, lots of regions of Quebec 99 00:04:35,570 --> 00:04:38,779 Speaker 2: have no housing there. There's been bad planning, nothing available, 100 00:04:38,790 --> 00:04:42,058 Speaker 2: has nothing whatsoever to do with immigrants and the temporary immigrants, 101 00:04:42,070 --> 00:04:45,219 Speaker 2: many of them work on the farms, live there 102 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 2: and it's just, it's just a way of attacking immigrants 103 00:04:48,769 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 2: the same way Jean Boudet did in the last campaign. 104 00:04:51,488 --> 00:04:53,890 Speaker 2: This is the bottom line with Francois, Le Gault and 105 00:04:53,899 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 2: his government. They're shamelessly attacking minorities with Bill 21 shamelessly 106 00:04:59,010 --> 00:05:02,649 Speaker 2: attacking immigrants with this type of outburst. And Mark Miller 107 00:05:02,660 --> 00:05:06,899 Speaker 2: had the sense, the decency and the vocabulary to go 108 00:05:06,910 --> 00:05:11,219 Speaker 2: after the gale and good for him. It's about high. 109 00:05:11,230 --> 00:05:13,289 Speaker 2: It's high time. Somebody took this guy on. He wouldn't 110 00:05:13,299 --> 00:05:14,899 Speaker 2: be doing it unless his old friend, 111 00:05:15,130 --> 00:05:17,399 Speaker 2: a Justin Trudeau had said go after him. It's just 112 00:05:17,410 --> 00:05:20,380 Speaker 2: too much and it is too much. He's making up facts. 113 00:05:20,390 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 2: It is a fact, a fact free zone whenever Francois 114 00:05:23,359 --> 00:05:26,190 Speaker 2: goes after one of these subjects, but he's going after emotions, 115 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,099 Speaker 2: not facts and you know what? He's hoping to claw 116 00:05:29,109 --> 00:05:31,380 Speaker 2: his way back by showing that he can go after 117 00:05:31,390 --> 00:05:33,459 Speaker 2: minorities as much as the Pels Quebe Juarez. 118 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:35,980 Speaker 1: So I wanna play, you just brought up something which 119 00:05:35,988 --> 00:05:38,909 Speaker 1: sparked a memory for me. Uh This idea that, you know, 120 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,950 Speaker 1: that they're gonna blame immigration, of course, in the areas 121 00:05:41,959 --> 00:05:43,850 Speaker 1: like in the regions where it's not a problem. I 122 00:05:43,859 --> 00:05:46,730 Speaker 1: brought this up last Friday when Jean Francois is, you know, 123 00:05:46,738 --> 00:05:50,059 Speaker 1: was on the show and, and I asked about that 124 00:05:50,070 --> 00:05:51,670 Speaker 1: because I've heard you say that and I've heard others 125 00:05:51,678 --> 00:05:54,670 Speaker 1: suggest the same thing. You can't blame immigration. Uh Certainly 126 00:05:54,678 --> 00:05:56,130 Speaker 1: not for what's going on in some of these areas. 127 00:05:56,140 --> 00:05:57,899 Speaker 1: Listen to what I asked him, listen to his answer. 128 00:05:58,570 --> 00:06:01,739 Speaker 1: How do you look at smaller towns outside of Montreal 129 00:06:01,750 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: that have virtually no immigration but having a housing crisis anyway. 130 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:10,010 Speaker 2: Well, uh more and more have, have immigration in GP Z. 131 00:06:10,019 --> 00:06:12,579 Speaker 2: They have a housing crisis because there are so many 132 00:06:12,589 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 2: immigrants coming to work in the, the windmill factory, the 133 00:06:16,730 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 2: owner of the uh mcdonald's in Valdo, who had to 134 00:06:21,170 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 2: buy a house to make a dormitory for Northern African 135 00:06:25,290 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 2: workers coming there. So it is connected. What do you think? Well, 136 00:06:30,369 --> 00:06:32,419 Speaker 2: let's start with the most obvious thing. 137 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,219 Speaker 2: Get back to what I was mentioning at the outset Francois. 138 00:06:35,269 --> 00:06:37,950 Speaker 2: Le Gault's C government chose most of those people gave 139 00:06:37,959 --> 00:06:41,178 Speaker 2: them permission to come here and selected them and approved them. 140 00:06:41,230 --> 00:06:44,268 Speaker 2: So that's the first thing. So you can't blame Francois. 141 00:06:44,390 --> 00:06:46,988 Speaker 2: Le Gault cannot blame the immigrants for that with regard 142 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,029 Speaker 2: to the numbers. There's a really great piece by Michel 143 00:06:50,130 --> 00:06:53,510 Speaker 2: Sauer and then in the LA pre newspaper last week 144 00:06:53,519 --> 00:06:55,660 Speaker 2: that just knocks down completely 145 00:06:55,910 --> 00:06:59,539 Speaker 2: the argument of Francois. It's, it's just not true that 146 00:06:59,549 --> 00:07:02,970 Speaker 2: those regions are, have a housing crisis because one or 147 00:07:02,980 --> 00:07:05,809 Speaker 2: two places actually hire people who are here on temporary permits. 148 00:07:05,820 --> 00:07:07,789 Speaker 2: That's not the cause of their housing problems. That's not 149 00:07:07,799 --> 00:07:08,130 Speaker 2: true. 150 00:07:08,140 --> 00:07:10,540 Speaker 1: Ok. We'll leave it at that. I want to kind 151 00:07:10,549 --> 00:07:12,329 Speaker 1: of clear up if we can. I, I'm not sure 152 00:07:12,339 --> 00:07:14,769 Speaker 1: it's possible to clear this up. It just seems so muddy. Uh, 153 00:07:14,779 --> 00:07:17,179 Speaker 1: the mcgill encampment. We had mcgill issue a new statement 154 00:07:17,190 --> 00:07:19,328 Speaker 1: today that the crux of it being that, you know what, 155 00:07:19,619 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: uh it's enough. Uh We're cutting off all communications, there 156 00:07:22,609 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: will be no more negotiations with the encampment with the 157 00:07:25,329 --> 00:07:28,519 Speaker 1: protesters there. Uh And then follows up by uh the 158 00:07:28,529 --> 00:07:31,010 Speaker 1: processor saying we're not leaving. So you, I don't know 159 00:07:31,019 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: if you heard any of the uh press conference this 160 00:07:32,609 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: morning held by Montreal police trying to explain why they 161 00:07:34,730 --> 00:07:37,450 Speaker 1: haven't done anything here yet. There's a theory, Anthony how 162 00:07:37,459 --> 00:07:39,660 Speaker 1: father on earlier suggesting the police are waiting for the 163 00:07:39,670 --> 00:07:41,799 Speaker 1: mayor to give them the go ahead the city saying, no, 164 00:07:41,809 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: they don't need our, go ahead what's going on here, 165 00:07:43,489 --> 00:07:45,970 Speaker 1: Tom and has anything changed even with this mcgill statement? 166 00:07:46,700 --> 00:07:49,019 Speaker 2: Well, this is an important change in attitude by the 167 00:07:49,029 --> 00:07:52,839 Speaker 2: administration at mcgill University and having had more than one 168 00:07:52,850 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 2: occasion to criticize their lack of action and their hand 169 00:07:55,769 --> 00:07:58,170 Speaker 2: wringing and their inability to do anything. I think it's 170 00:07:58,179 --> 00:08:01,089 Speaker 2: about time that they said, ok, no, we're not negotiating 171 00:08:01,100 --> 00:08:03,170 Speaker 2: with you. I don't know if they ever should have 172 00:08:03,179 --> 00:08:05,119 Speaker 2: in the first place, but they put down a number 173 00:08:05,130 --> 00:08:06,579 Speaker 2: of things that they said that they're, you know, they're 174 00:08:06,589 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 2: a part of what they're thinking is they're going to 175 00:08:08,010 --> 00:08:10,079 Speaker 2: look at their investments or they're going to invest in 176 00:08:10,089 --> 00:08:12,859 Speaker 2: companies that manufacture arms things like that. That's just a 177 00:08:12,869 --> 00:08:15,260 Speaker 2: fresh and smart review of what they're doing on an 178 00:08:15,269 --> 00:08:16,519 Speaker 2: ethical basis. That's fine. 179 00:08:16,839 --> 00:08:19,489 Speaker 2: But they're also telling them you're here illegally and we're 180 00:08:19,500 --> 00:08:22,250 Speaker 2: going to act accordingly. Now. I think that Anthony has 181 00:08:22,279 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 2: father is onto something there. It is absolutely unacceptable that 182 00:08:26,489 --> 00:08:29,019 Speaker 2: the police have done nothing about any of this except 183 00:08:29,029 --> 00:08:31,179 Speaker 2: the one time that they actually broke into a building. 184 00:08:31,459 --> 00:08:35,799 Speaker 2: You know, when you're hanging effigies of, of an Israeli 185 00:08:35,809 --> 00:08:38,489 Speaker 2: leader and you're, you're, you're saying that you're going to 186 00:08:38,500 --> 00:08:41,530 Speaker 2: be holding a cap and the advertising has somebody with 187 00:08:41,539 --> 00:08:42,900 Speaker 2: a machine gun and this is going to be to 188 00:08:42,909 --> 00:08:46,419 Speaker 2: train youth and the messages there are full hate 189 00:08:46,789 --> 00:08:49,770 Speaker 2: and there's no way around it anymore. So mcgill did 190 00:08:49,780 --> 00:08:51,750 Speaker 2: the right thing to shut down the discussions and say, ok, 191 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,799 Speaker 2: this circus is over. Now, the question becomes, when are 192 00:08:54,809 --> 00:08:56,130 Speaker 2: they going to be able to get the campus back? 193 00:08:56,140 --> 00:08:58,309 Speaker 2: Because as they correctly say this is private property and 194 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,460 Speaker 2: they're not allowed to be here. Why has the police 195 00:09:00,469 --> 00:09:02,450 Speaker 2: done nothing? They don't have to wait for anything from 196 00:09:02,460 --> 00:09:04,969 Speaker 2: City Hall. In fact, it's just the opposite City Hall 197 00:09:04,979 --> 00:09:07,209 Speaker 2: doesn't have any orders to give to its police. 198 00:09:07,510 --> 00:09:09,299 Speaker 2: But I do think that the current leadership of the 199 00:09:09,309 --> 00:09:12,689 Speaker 2: Montreal Police and the current leadership of City Hall Ie 200 00:09:12,700 --> 00:09:15,630 Speaker 2: Valerie plant are of one mind about this. They, they 201 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,460 Speaker 2: tend to lean much more towards the people who are 202 00:09:18,469 --> 00:09:21,589 Speaker 2: illegally occupying the gull than otherwise. And I think that 203 00:09:21,599 --> 00:09:24,349 Speaker 2: that's the number one thing to explain their inaction is 204 00:09:24,359 --> 00:09:24,590 Speaker 2: this 205 00:09:24,599 --> 00:09:27,130 Speaker 1: is this ideology then, is that what this is about 206 00:09:28,349 --> 00:09:30,699 Speaker 1: with respect, with respect to the city administration? 207 00:09:31,169 --> 00:09:31,289 Speaker 2: Yeah. 208 00:09:31,729 --> 00:09:34,099 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, go right back. You know, there was a, 209 00:09:34,150 --> 00:09:37,109 Speaker 2: a deplorable speech being given by a self styled G 210 00:09:37,119 --> 00:09:37,489 Speaker 2: man 211 00:09:37,710 --> 00:09:39,719 Speaker 2: and we had the person in charge of getting rid 212 00:09:39,729 --> 00:09:42,289 Speaker 2: of racism at City Hall who was one of the people, 213 00:09:42,299 --> 00:09:45,650 Speaker 2: you know, enthusiastically in the crowd. So, yeah, and Belly 214 00:09:45,659 --> 00:09:47,689 Speaker 2: plant said, oh, you better not do that. She said, well, 215 00:09:47,700 --> 00:09:49,709 Speaker 2: I'm going to have to make the difference between my 216 00:09:49,719 --> 00:09:52,039 Speaker 2: inner voice and my outer voice from now on. But 217 00:09:52,150 --> 00:09:53,700 Speaker 2: I think that that said all that needed to be 218 00:09:53,710 --> 00:09:54,729 Speaker 2: said frankly. So 219 00:09:54,739 --> 00:09:57,070 Speaker 1: what's the play here? The city continues to say nothing. 220 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:58,869 Speaker 1: I know Alan Vian Co was asked about this in 221 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: counsel yesterday by a, by an opposition member, but the 222 00:10:02,409 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 1: mayor has said nothing. What do you imagine the play here? Is, 223 00:10:04,570 --> 00:10:06,069 Speaker 1: is this a matter of just days now before this 224 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:07,189 Speaker 1: gets taken down, do you think? 225 00:10:07,539 --> 00:10:09,799 Speaker 2: Well, we do know that the city's going back to 226 00:10:09,809 --> 00:10:10,478 Speaker 2: court next week, 227 00:10:11,210 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 2: next month, not next week. I wish it was next 228 00:10:13,530 --> 00:10:14,210 Speaker 2: week next 229 00:10:14,270 --> 00:10:15,739 Speaker 1: month, right towards the end of the month. Yeah, 230 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,250 Speaker 2: it's far too long. But that's also to get the injunction, 231 00:10:19,260 --> 00:10:20,829 Speaker 2: which would make it easier to say that they're in 232 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,130 Speaker 2: contempt of court. But that's a long drawn out process. 233 00:10:23,140 --> 00:10:25,239 Speaker 2: That's the process that mcgill decided to start. There were 234 00:10:25,250 --> 00:10:28,500 Speaker 2: two students who use their own technique which completely failed. 235 00:10:28,510 --> 00:10:31,238 Speaker 2: Then mcgill completely failed. The judge basically saying you're here 236 00:10:31,250 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 2: saying that it's an immediate danger and you can't have 237 00:10:33,409 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 2: your commencement, but you've already booked your commencement into the 238 00:10:36,330 --> 00:10:37,919 Speaker 2: Bell Center. So, what the heck are you talking about? 239 00:10:37,929 --> 00:10:38,830 Speaker 2: And what are the names of these 240 00:10:38,929 --> 00:10:40,969 Speaker 2: people? You can't even give me anything. So it was 241 00:10:40,979 --> 00:10:43,669 Speaker 2: a fail. And so they were sent packing, but it 242 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,239 Speaker 2: doesn't mean that it's not illegal. It clearly is and 243 00:10:46,250 --> 00:10:48,348 Speaker 2: the police of course, should be moving in when the 244 00:10:48,359 --> 00:10:50,750 Speaker 2: person who owns a property says people are occupying my 245 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,598 Speaker 2: property legally, please remove them. The normal course of action 246 00:10:53,609 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 2: is to say that's against the law, we're going to act. 247 00:10:55,650 --> 00:10:58,169 Speaker 2: But the City Hall under Valerie pla has not shown, 248 00:10:58,179 --> 00:11:01,429 Speaker 2: shown the slightest inclination and I think that those signals 249 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:02,728 Speaker 2: get picked up whether they're direct or 250 00:11:02,739 --> 00:11:03,419 Speaker 2: indirect. 251 00:11:03,429 --> 00:11:04,950 Speaker 1: All right, Tom, we'll leave it at that. Thank you 252 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:06,108 Speaker 1: so much. We'll talk to you later.