1 00:00:00,009 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Shortlisted is brought to you by Future Women's Jobs Academy. 2 00:00:04,079 --> 00:00:07,190 Speaker 1: Getting back to work after a career break isn't easy. 3 00:00:07,510 --> 00:00:11,319 Speaker 1: Future Women's Jobs Academy is a free online programme supported 4 00:00:11,319 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: by the Australian government. It's proven to increase confidence and 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:22,850 Speaker 1: connect women with meaningful and flexible jobs. Apply today at jobsacademy.uwomemen.com. 6 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:26,229 Speaker 1: We'll support you to find the right job and thrive. 7 00:00:29,170 --> 00:00:31,799 Speaker 1: Nothing makes a person go weak at the knees quite 8 00:00:31,799 --> 00:00:36,449 Speaker 1: like a job interview. Enter shortlisted. A podcast by future 9 00:00:36,450 --> 00:00:40,060 Speaker 1: women where Helen McCabe and I hold your virtual hand, 10 00:00:40,330 --> 00:00:43,279 Speaker 1: walking with you every step of the way, right to 11 00:00:43,279 --> 00:00:46,810 Speaker 1: the interview door and straight onto the shortlist. 12 00:00:47,959 --> 00:00:52,110 Speaker 1: In this episode, we tackle the common interview question. Why 13 00:00:52,110 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: did you leave your last job? While we always counsel honesty, 14 00:00:57,060 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: this is an occasion where too much information can be 15 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,470 Speaker 1: a hindrance rather than help your chances of getting the job. 16 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,269 Speaker 1: Let's navigate the minefield of having left a previous employer 17 00:01:08,599 --> 00:01:10,559 Speaker 1: on less than ideal terms. 18 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,250 Speaker 2: So, how honest should you be about your past workplace, 19 00:01:16,610 --> 00:01:21,010 Speaker 2: especially if you're living on bad terms? Jamilla. 20 00:01:21,819 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 2: This is one that I think almost everyone has experienced 21 00:01:26,839 --> 00:01:30,050 Speaker 2: professionally at some point in their lives, and I think 22 00:01:30,050 --> 00:01:32,209 Speaker 2: both of us would relate to it, but it's still 23 00:01:32,209 --> 00:01:36,930 Speaker 2: a very delicate one to answer. So, why are interviewers 24 00:01:36,930 --> 00:01:38,010 Speaker 2: asking this question? 25 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:43,029 Speaker 1: Interviewers are asking this question for a few reasons, and 26 00:01:43,230 --> 00:01:45,180 Speaker 1: I want to start by saying it's a really common question. 27 00:01:45,269 --> 00:01:49,309 Speaker 1: This one will almost certainly come up, particularly if your 28 00:01:49,309 --> 00:01:52,349 Speaker 1: last job was unusually short in the way that you 29 00:01:52,349 --> 00:01:55,419 Speaker 1: held it. So the reason an interviewer is asking this 30 00:01:55,419 --> 00:01:57,910 Speaker 1: is because they want to understand more about you. They 31 00:01:57,910 --> 00:02:01,510 Speaker 1: want to understand your career goals and your trajectory. They 32 00:02:01,510 --> 00:02:05,349 Speaker 1: want to understand what job satisfaction means to you and 33 00:02:05,349 --> 00:02:07,629 Speaker 1: what it looks like to you, and what motivates you. 34 00:02:08,050 --> 00:02:09,619 Speaker 1: And in the back of their mind will be some 35 00:02:09,619 --> 00:02:13,740 Speaker 1: questions about your values, the company's values, the culture that 36 00:02:13,740 --> 00:02:16,380 Speaker 1: you're looking to enter, and whether or not you're actually 37 00:02:16,380 --> 00:02:18,580 Speaker 1: gonna be the right fit, or whether or not there's 38 00:02:18,580 --> 00:02:20,580 Speaker 1: gonna be a bit of a jarring feeling in those 39 00:02:20,580 --> 00:02:23,168 Speaker 1: first few months and they're going to need to move on. 40 00:02:24,179 --> 00:02:25,940 Speaker 1: They're looking to see whether or not you might be 41 00:02:25,940 --> 00:02:28,288 Speaker 1: a bit of a troublemaker, a bit of a slacker. 42 00:02:28,460 --> 00:02:32,179 Speaker 1: This is a way of trying to weed out your 43 00:02:32,179 --> 00:02:35,550 Speaker 1: bad side, without asking about it specifically. 44 00:02:36,589 --> 00:02:39,489 Speaker 1: But I think the way you answer it is by 45 00:02:39,490 --> 00:02:43,130 Speaker 1: pretending that the question is, why are you looking for 46 00:02:43,130 --> 00:02:46,809 Speaker 1: a new role, and framing it less about the negative 47 00:02:46,809 --> 00:02:49,728 Speaker 1: reason you left the past job and more about the 48 00:02:49,729 --> 00:02:52,130 Speaker 1: positive reason that you've chosen to move on. 49 00:02:53,139 --> 00:02:55,770 Speaker 2: The sorts of things you need to do is to 50 00:02:55,770 --> 00:03:00,660 Speaker 2: be positive and focus on the future. Don't find yourself 51 00:03:00,660 --> 00:03:04,169 Speaker 2: explaining what you didn't like about the old job. Super 52 00:03:04,500 --> 00:03:08,179 Speaker 2: easy to do, and particularly if you really didn't like 53 00:03:08,179 --> 00:03:10,619 Speaker 2: the old job, but do not do it if you 54 00:03:10,619 --> 00:03:13,699 Speaker 2: can all avoid it. Focus on what you learned and 55 00:03:13,699 --> 00:03:16,380 Speaker 2: what you're looking forward to. This is an opportunity to 56 00:03:16,380 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 2: showcase what you 57 00:03:17,729 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 2: Bring to the table. So bad-mouthing or speaking ill about 58 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,710 Speaker 2: your previous employer is likely to get you marked down. 59 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 2: So just be very, 60 00:03:25,399 --> 00:03:30,350 Speaker 1: very cautious. Anytime someone bad-mouths their previous employer, even if 61 00:03:30,350 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: it was entirely true in an interview, I just imagine 62 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: them bad-mouthing us in a few years' time. 63 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,869 Speaker 2: And this is really tempting, of course, when the industry's 64 00:03:39,869 --> 00:03:45,979 Speaker 2: really similar or the organisations are competitive. So, in that environment, 65 00:03:46,190 --> 00:03:49,410 Speaker 2: no matter how sweet the interviewer is, do not fall 66 00:03:49,410 --> 00:03:52,750 Speaker 2: for that trick. Be honest, the interviewer may contact your 67 00:03:52,750 --> 00:03:56,779 Speaker 2: previous employer if you nominate them as a reference. So 68 00:03:56,990 --> 00:03:59,059 Speaker 2: don't overstate it. 69 00:03:59,350 --> 00:04:01,429 Speaker 1: And don't lie, right? We've come back to this a 70 00:04:01,429 --> 00:04:02,869 Speaker 1: few times while we've been chatting. 71 00:04:03,179 --> 00:04:06,630 Speaker 1: But folks, not lying stays up there as really important, 72 00:04:06,869 --> 00:04:09,679 Speaker 1: especially if you're in an industry where people talk and 73 00:04:09,679 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: it's gonna come back. So if you were retrenched, don't 74 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,460 Speaker 1: pretend that didn't happen. If you were fired, don't pretend 75 00:04:15,460 --> 00:04:19,299 Speaker 1: that didn't happen. If you left on really, really bad terms, 76 00:04:19,350 --> 00:04:21,119 Speaker 1: and that's likely to be something that people have got 77 00:04:21,119 --> 00:04:24,469 Speaker 1: chatter about, don't lie. You can admit it, you can 78 00:04:24,470 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: not mention something, but don't actively lie. So 79 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 2: this is where it gets tricky. You were sacked and 80 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:31,890 Speaker 2: someone asks you why 81 00:04:31,934 --> 00:04:35,285 Speaker 2: Why you left your last job, and we're saying, don't 82 00:04:35,285 --> 00:04:39,234 Speaker 2: criticise your employer, even though you feel really hard done by. 83 00:04:39,524 --> 00:04:42,084 Speaker 2: How do you manage that? You have to be honest 84 00:04:42,084 --> 00:04:45,994 Speaker 2: within the realms of discretion. So you have to say, 85 00:04:46,204 --> 00:04:52,114 Speaker 2: I left, um, that organisation under difficult circumstances. It wasn't ideal. Naturally, 86 00:04:52,363 --> 00:04:54,765 Speaker 2: I feel like my side of the story would be 87 00:04:54,765 --> 00:04:56,765 Speaker 2: different from their side of the story, but I don't 88 00:04:56,765 --> 00:05:00,565 Speaker 2: think there's anything worthwhile in going through that today. 89 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,029 Speaker 1: Yeah, I quite like that actually. I quite like the 90 00:05:04,029 --> 00:05:07,619 Speaker 1: idea that you recognise the circumstances were a bit fraught, 91 00:05:07,738 --> 00:05:09,630 Speaker 1: and that there could be some tension between you and 92 00:05:09,630 --> 00:05:12,709 Speaker 1: your previous employer, but even though that's the case, you're 93 00:05:12,709 --> 00:05:14,630 Speaker 1: not gonna sit there and bad mouth them. I think 94 00:05:14,630 --> 00:05:16,109 Speaker 1: that shows, you know, a good 95 00:05:16,109 --> 00:05:18,829 Speaker 2: character. And you can then say, of course, in those circumstances, 96 00:05:18,869 --> 00:05:19,230 Speaker 2: I've learned a 97 00:05:19,230 --> 00:05:22,789 Speaker 1: lot. Yeah. I think the same goes for being made redundant, right? 98 00:05:22,910 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 1: If you've been made redundant, if you 99 00:05:24,410 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: Being let go, and it wasn't about your performance, but 100 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: it was about the organisation you were previously working for 101 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,079 Speaker 1: or with. Just be honest about that situation. I don't 102 00:05:33,079 --> 00:05:36,149 Speaker 1: think there's anything to be embarrassed about. It's quite common. 103 00:05:36,359 --> 00:05:38,988 Speaker 1: It's something a lot of people experience in their careers. 104 00:05:39,119 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: I've even known people who've celebrated a redundancy because it 105 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: means some time and some money to have a think. 106 00:05:44,519 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: And older workers in particular are at risk of age just. 107 00:05:47,540 --> 00:05:51,289 Speaker 1: Discrimination, which can mean they're more likely to be made redundant. 108 00:05:51,369 --> 00:05:54,209 Speaker 1: We know that during the beginning of the COVID pandemic, 109 00:05:54,290 --> 00:05:57,010 Speaker 1: for example, workers over 60 were more heavily hit by 110 00:05:57,010 --> 00:06:01,329 Speaker 1: job losses. Interestingly, along with really young inexperienced workers in 111 00:06:01,329 --> 00:06:03,970 Speaker 1: their 20s. So, I don't think it's something to be 112 00:06:03,970 --> 00:06:06,928 Speaker 1: ashamed of if you were made redundant, but I wouldn't 113 00:06:06,928 --> 00:06:09,130 Speaker 1: focus on yourself when you talk about it. I would 114 00:06:09,130 --> 00:06:10,570 Speaker 1: focus on the organisation. 115 00:06:10,850 --> 00:06:14,579 Speaker 1: So instead of saying, Oh, I was made redundant because, 116 00:06:14,750 --> 00:06:17,829 Speaker 1: and then talking about yourself, I would simply say, I 117 00:06:17,829 --> 00:06:20,989 Speaker 1: was previously working for company XYZ. They were going through 118 00:06:20,988 --> 00:06:23,660 Speaker 1: a really difficult period, particularly at the beginning of the 119 00:06:23,660 --> 00:06:27,149 Speaker 1: COVID pandemic. And unfortunately, that meant that a lot of 120 00:06:27,149 --> 00:06:29,869 Speaker 1: us are now looking for new work. And you can 121 00:06:29,869 --> 00:06:30,779 Speaker 1: just move it along. 122 00:06:30,910 --> 00:06:33,500 Speaker 2: Uh, look, and I would just say, um, so many 123 00:06:33,500 --> 00:06:34,309 Speaker 2: women that we mentor. 124 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:38,029 Speaker 2: In the FW community are knocked around by a redundancy 125 00:06:38,029 --> 00:06:40,950 Speaker 2: when they don't need to be. Redundancy is absolutely commonplace, 126 00:06:40,988 --> 00:06:43,109 Speaker 2: and it is not personal. It is about the way 127 00:06:43,109 --> 00:06:46,470 Speaker 2: the business was managed, or the economic circumstances. So don't 128 00:06:46,470 --> 00:06:49,549 Speaker 2: take it personally, um, and particularly, don't sound like it 129 00:06:49,549 --> 00:06:52,420 Speaker 2: was a personal thing when you're in a job interview. redundancy, 130 00:06:52,630 --> 00:06:55,790 Speaker 2: imagine you work for a tech company, which, you know, 131 00:06:55,910 --> 00:06:58,109 Speaker 2: they do redundancy rounds every 132 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,899 Speaker 2: Couple of years and 15% of the workplace is immediately 133 00:07:00,899 --> 00:07:02,988 Speaker 2: shoved out the door, and no one really takes much 134 00:07:02,988 --> 00:07:05,750 Speaker 2: notice of whether you're any good or not. So, you 135 00:07:05,750 --> 00:07:11,959 Speaker 2: just can't take redundancy personally. Example reasons for why you 136 00:07:11,959 --> 00:07:13,369 Speaker 2: left your last job. 137 00:07:13,959 --> 00:07:16,109 Speaker 1: Yeah. So let's give you a few ways that you 138 00:07:16,109 --> 00:07:19,029 Speaker 1: might phrase this, that will give you a sort of 139 00:07:19,029 --> 00:07:21,790 Speaker 1: sense of comfort when you're going into a 140 00:07:21,839 --> 00:07:23,989 Speaker 1: Job discussion. And you can pick the ones that sound 141 00:07:23,989 --> 00:07:27,100 Speaker 1: right for you and amend them to suit your circumstances. So, 142 00:07:27,230 --> 00:07:29,529 Speaker 1: you might just say, let me be honest, the reason 143 00:07:29,529 --> 00:07:31,989 Speaker 1: I left my last job is that I wanted to 144 00:07:31,989 --> 00:07:35,540 Speaker 1: learn more. I felt like I'd come to the cap 145 00:07:35,540 --> 00:07:37,820 Speaker 1: on how much I was gonna grow in that role. 146 00:07:37,989 --> 00:07:39,739 Speaker 1: I got a lot out of it while I was there. 147 00:07:39,869 --> 00:07:42,589 Speaker 1: I'm ready for new opportunities and new challenges, and I 148 00:07:42,589 --> 00:07:45,429 Speaker 1: hope that they're gonna be with you and your organisation. 149 00:07:46,190 --> 00:07:48,989 Speaker 1: You might say, while I loved the role that I 150 00:07:48,989 --> 00:07:50,510 Speaker 1: was in and the work that I was doing at 151 00:07:50,510 --> 00:07:53,829 Speaker 1: a technical level, I am ready for something more. I'm 152 00:07:53,829 --> 00:07:56,989 Speaker 1: ready for more responsibility, I'm ready to be challenged. I'm 153 00:07:56,989 --> 00:08:00,470 Speaker 1: ready for some leadership opportunities, and that's why I've applied 154 00:08:00,470 --> 00:08:01,828 Speaker 1: for this job today. 155 00:08:02,619 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 2: I'm looking for a more inclusive company culture, is perfectly legitimate. 156 00:08:07,540 --> 00:08:09,489 Speaker 2: I'm looking for a role or a company that better 157 00:08:09,489 --> 00:08:12,540 Speaker 2: aligns with my values, more meaningful work. Um, and we 158 00:08:12,540 --> 00:08:14,649 Speaker 2: hear that a lot at at Future Women. I'm looking 159 00:08:14,649 --> 00:08:17,609 Speaker 2: for an opportunity to better utilise a particular skill set, 160 00:08:17,989 --> 00:08:21,380 Speaker 2: particularly if you've been pigeonholed by one organisation and you've 161 00:08:21,380 --> 00:08:23,820 Speaker 2: got a skill set in another area, that makes a 162 00:08:23,820 --> 00:08:26,700 Speaker 2: lot of sense. And I'm keen to apply my skills 163 00:08:26,700 --> 00:08:29,470 Speaker 2: in a new industry that I'm passionate about, or I 164 00:08:29,470 --> 00:08:31,260 Speaker 2: relocate it. I changed 165 00:08:31,260 --> 00:08:31,700 Speaker 1: states. 166 00:08:32,508 --> 00:08:35,749 Speaker 1: Helen, let's talk about another really common one, particularly for 167 00:08:35,749 --> 00:08:39,419 Speaker 1: our jobs academy members. A lot of our members have 168 00:08:39,419 --> 00:08:42,539 Speaker 1: quit a job, some recently, some quite a while ago, 169 00:08:42,869 --> 00:08:46,507 Speaker 1: because of caring responsibilities. So they've left the workforce because 170 00:08:46,508 --> 00:08:49,429 Speaker 1: they were looking after young children, or perhaps they were 171 00:08:49,429 --> 00:08:52,068 Speaker 1: looking after a sibling with a disability, or perhaps they 172 00:08:52,068 --> 00:08:56,068 Speaker 1: were looking after an unwell partner or elderly parents. How 173 00:08:56,068 --> 00:08:56,669 Speaker 1: do you talk? 174 00:08:56,755 --> 00:08:58,744 Speaker 1: About that. How do you explain that? I think 175 00:08:58,744 --> 00:09:01,385 Speaker 2: it's completely OK. And in fact, one of the things 176 00:09:01,385 --> 00:09:04,424 Speaker 2: that I hear pretty often is, I've got a degree 177 00:09:04,424 --> 00:09:08,344 Speaker 2: in accounting, I then went away and had children, and 178 00:09:08,344 --> 00:09:09,945 Speaker 2: I don't want to be an accountant anymore. My life 179 00:09:09,945 --> 00:09:13,265 Speaker 2: has completely changed. So, I've taken some time out for 180 00:09:13,265 --> 00:09:16,104 Speaker 2: caring responsibilities, and now I've got a completely different perspective 181 00:09:16,104 --> 00:09:18,864 Speaker 2: on life, and I want this job that you're offering me. 182 00:09:19,465 --> 00:09:21,025 Speaker 2: Very valid, very common. 183 00:09:21,460 --> 00:09:23,260 Speaker 2: And uh completely authentic and 184 00:09:23,260 --> 00:09:27,260 Speaker 1: plausible. I think it's also a chance to demonstrate some self-awareness, right? 185 00:09:27,419 --> 00:09:30,819 Speaker 1: You weren't someone who tried to muddle through with some 186 00:09:30,820 --> 00:09:36,579 Speaker 1: really significant unpaid caring commitments and working in a demanding role. Instead, 187 00:09:36,619 --> 00:09:40,179 Speaker 1: you made a choice, a sensible, reasoned choice to focus on. 188 00:09:40,434 --> 00:09:44,534 Speaker 1: caring responsibility, and now you're making a second sensible, reasoned 189 00:09:44,534 --> 00:09:47,744 Speaker 1: choice that you're ready and excited to get back to 190 00:09:47,744 --> 00:09:49,955 Speaker 1: the workforce. I think it's an opportunity to show that 191 00:09:49,955 --> 00:09:53,385 Speaker 1: you're someone who is a planner, someone who is level-headed, 192 00:09:53,635 --> 00:09:56,385 Speaker 1: someone who is pragmatic and honest about their own situation, 193 00:09:56,635 --> 00:09:59,385 Speaker 1: and thinks about what's best for them at any one time. 194 00:09:59,635 --> 00:10:01,125 Speaker 2: And if you want to delve into this a little 195 00:10:01,125 --> 00:10:04,755 Speaker 2: bit further, it's in an earlier episode of the podcast 196 00:10:04,755 --> 00:10:08,434 Speaker 2: where we talk at length about explaining a career break. 197 00:10:09,130 --> 00:10:11,010 Speaker 1: Helen, before we move on, I just want to tick 198 00:10:11,010 --> 00:10:14,968 Speaker 1: off a couple of things to avoid. We've talked about 199 00:10:14,969 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: being too negative or bitter or angry about a previous 200 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: position that you've held. Other things you might want to avoid, folks, 201 00:10:22,179 --> 00:10:25,010 Speaker 1: while they may be true, don't say, well, I wanted 202 00:10:25,010 --> 00:10:25,489 Speaker 1: more money. 203 00:10:25,940 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: That might be totally relevant for you and good for 204 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: you if you've moved because you wanted more cash. But 205 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,510 Speaker 1: most organisations are not gonna feel great about the fact 206 00:10:35,510 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: that the reason you wanted to work there was the 207 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,119 Speaker 1: pay alone. They would pride themselves on the purpose of 208 00:10:40,119 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: their work, the culture of their workplace, and if they 209 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: feel like it's all about the money, there's no particularly 210 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:45,799 Speaker 1: attractive 211 00:10:45,799 --> 00:10:47,630 Speaker 2: trait, unless it's investment banking. 212 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:49,630 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, then they might totally love it. 213 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 2: They would totally be 214 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:51,159 Speaker 1: into it. 215 00:10:52,789 --> 00:10:56,189 Speaker 1: Uh, saying that you felt undervalued. And it's quite possible 216 00:10:56,190 --> 00:10:58,229 Speaker 1: that you did feel undervalued in your previous role. It's 217 00:10:58,229 --> 00:11:01,260 Speaker 1: quite possible that you were undervalued in your previous role. 218 00:11:01,429 --> 00:11:03,979 Speaker 1: But when you say I felt undervalued where I used 219 00:11:03,979 --> 00:11:07,380 Speaker 1: to work, it can come across as a bit complainy 220 00:11:07,380 --> 00:11:09,829 Speaker 1: and a bit bitter. And like, you're someone that needs 221 00:11:09,830 --> 00:11:12,539 Speaker 1: to be told that you are extraordinary every 5 minutes, 222 00:11:12,630 --> 00:11:15,619 Speaker 1: and otherwise you're unhappy. And it can kind of look 223 00:11:15,619 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: to the employer like maybe you're gonna be a lot 224 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:18,950 Speaker 1: of hard work to manage. 225 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,969 Speaker 1: And finally, don't say that you didn't like your previous manager. 226 00:11:23,140 --> 00:11:26,190 Speaker 1: Don't go with that one, because you are quite likely 227 00:11:26,190 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 1: speaking to your potential new manager, and they don't want 228 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,209 Speaker 1: to know that you are an employee who is going 229 00:11:32,210 --> 00:11:37,299 Speaker 1: to be potentially complaining to another employer in the future 230 00:11:37,299 --> 00:11:38,460 Speaker 1: about them. They don't want to hear that. 231 00:11:39,419 --> 00:11:43,140 Speaker 2: So talk about how you're looking for a more collaborative 232 00:11:43,140 --> 00:11:47,460 Speaker 2: or team-based environment. And with that, I think we've nailed 233 00:11:47,460 --> 00:11:48,099 Speaker 2: that question. 234 00:11:50,479 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: Shortlisted is produced by Future Women's Jobs Academy. To apply 235 00:11:54,640 --> 00:12:00,559 Speaker 1: to join, head to jobsacademy.uwomen.com or go to Futurewomen.com to 236 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:02,510 Speaker 1: become a future women member today.