1 00:00:00,009 --> 00:00:03,690 Speaker 1: Shortlisted is brought to you by Future Women's Jobs Academy. 2 00:00:04,079 --> 00:00:07,190 Speaker 1: Getting back to work after a career break isn't easy. 3 00:00:07,510 --> 00:00:11,300 Speaker 1: Future Women's Jobs Academy is a free online programme supported 4 00:00:11,300 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: by the Australian government. It's proven to increase confidence and 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:22,860 Speaker 1: connect women with meaningful and flexible jobs. Apply today at jobsacademy.uwomen.com. 6 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:26,229 Speaker 1: We'll support you to find the right job and thrive. 7 00:00:29,180 --> 00:00:31,659 Speaker 1: Nothing makes a person go weak at the knees quite 8 00:00:31,659 --> 00:00:35,259 Speaker 1: like a job interview. No matter how experienced or accomplished 9 00:00:35,259 --> 00:00:38,450 Speaker 1: you are, being quizzed on your suitability for a role 10 00:00:38,450 --> 00:00:42,060 Speaker 1: is nerve-wracking. Helen McCabe and I have been on both 11 00:00:42,060 --> 00:00:44,610 Speaker 1: sides of job interviews more times than we can count, 12 00:00:44,770 --> 00:00:47,819 Speaker 1: and we've learned that most interviews come down to the 13 00:00:47,819 --> 00:00:52,939 Speaker 1: same handful of questions and the same common mistakes. Enter 14 00:00:52,939 --> 00:00:53,729 Speaker 1: shortlisted a 15 00:00:53,775 --> 00:00:57,755 Speaker 1: Podcast by Future Women, where Helen McCabe and I, Jamila Risby, 16 00:00:58,005 --> 00:01:01,325 Speaker 1: hold your virtual hand and walk with you every step 17 00:01:01,325 --> 00:01:04,404 Speaker 1: of the way right to the interview door and straight 18 00:01:04,404 --> 00:01:08,404 Speaker 1: onto the shortlist. In this episode, we take a bird's 19 00:01:08,404 --> 00:01:12,224 Speaker 1: eye view on interview preparation. From doing your research to 20 00:01:12,224 --> 00:01:15,364 Speaker 1: picking the right anecdotes, we'll teach you how to manage 21 00:01:15,364 --> 00:01:17,904 Speaker 1: your nerves and deliver an interview you're 22 00:01:17,904 --> 00:01:18,514 Speaker 2: proud of. 23 00:01:19,849 --> 00:01:22,819 Speaker 2: So you've nailed your resume, you landed an interview from 24 00:01:22,819 --> 00:01:27,199 Speaker 2: checking out your prospective employer's website to organising interview anecdotes. 25 00:01:27,339 --> 00:01:30,660 Speaker 2: In this episode, we're gonna take our audience through the 26 00:01:30,660 --> 00:01:34,849 Speaker 2: research that will help you stand out as a dream candidate. So, 27 00:01:35,139 --> 00:01:36,900 Speaker 2: setting the scene, interviews are the most common way of 28 00:01:36,900 --> 00:01:39,819 Speaker 2: selecting a new employee. It's a chance for both you 29 00:01:39,819 --> 00:01:42,620 Speaker 2: and the employer to decide if it's the right 30 00:01:42,620 --> 00:01:42,940 Speaker 1: fit. 31 00:01:43,569 --> 00:01:47,410 Speaker 1: Ultimately, in this process, folks, your aim is to convince 32 00:01:47,410 --> 00:01:50,169 Speaker 1: the employer that you are that best fit, that you're 33 00:01:50,169 --> 00:01:53,540 Speaker 1: the best fit for that role and for this organisation, 34 00:01:53,599 --> 00:01:55,889 Speaker 1: and you gotta back that up with some evidence. Can't 35 00:01:55,889 --> 00:01:58,449 Speaker 1: just be you and your few opinions about why you 36 00:01:58,449 --> 00:02:03,169 Speaker 1: might be good. And vice versa. Remember that an interview 37 00:02:03,169 --> 00:02:07,010 Speaker 1: process is two way. It's not just about you being 38 00:02:07,010 --> 00:02:08,770 Speaker 1: in there taking a test, right? 39 00:02:09,149 --> 00:02:12,119 Speaker 1: You are also learning about this role, you're learning about 40 00:02:12,119 --> 00:02:15,357 Speaker 1: this organisation and its culture, and you're determining if it's 41 00:02:15,358 --> 00:02:18,279 Speaker 1: the right fit for you. You're interviewing them, as well 42 00:02:18,279 --> 00:02:19,798 Speaker 1: as them interviewing you. 43 00:02:20,190 --> 00:02:24,250 Speaker 2: The format and formality of job interviews can vary widely. 44 00:02:24,399 --> 00:02:27,580 Speaker 2: You and I do super informal ones, but for public 45 00:02:27,580 --> 00:02:30,570 Speaker 2: service jobs, for example, they tend to be particularly formal 46 00:02:30,860 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 2: due to their stringent policies and selection criteria that aim 47 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,258 Speaker 2: to prevent bias. So they can actually be quite tricky 48 00:02:37,258 --> 00:02:40,788 Speaker 2: in their own right, but they're very formal. Modern private 49 00:02:40,788 --> 00:02:44,380 Speaker 2: sector employers or small businesses can take very different approaches. 50 00:02:44,500 --> 00:02:48,330 Speaker 2: They're less formal, including peer interviews, or just a conversation 51 00:02:48,330 --> 00:02:49,100 Speaker 2: over coffee. 52 00:02:49,449 --> 00:02:54,460 Speaker 2: And post-COVID, employers are embracing the video interview, which has 53 00:02:54,460 --> 00:02:57,589 Speaker 2: its benefits. You can check your notes more easily, uh, 54 00:02:57,669 --> 00:03:00,710 Speaker 2: and the drawbacks, of course, are that you have to 55 00:03:00,710 --> 00:03:03,779 Speaker 2: make sure that your Wi Fi is set up, that you, 56 00:03:03,869 --> 00:03:07,350 Speaker 2: you've got the right platform capability, and that there's nothing 57 00:03:07,350 --> 00:03:08,388 Speaker 2: crazy happening in 58 00:03:08,389 --> 00:03:12,070 Speaker 1: the background. Before we kick off onto a few tips 59 00:03:12,070 --> 00:03:14,750 Speaker 1: for you to remember going into this interview, I want 60 00:03:14,750 --> 00:03:16,288 Speaker 1: to say that if you're someone who's got a little 61 00:03:16,288 --> 00:03:17,339 Speaker 1: bit more time on your 62 00:03:17,389 --> 00:03:20,059 Speaker 1: Side to prepare, we're going to cover what we cover 63 00:03:20,059 --> 00:03:22,860 Speaker 1: now in a lot more detail through this podcast. So 64 00:03:22,860 --> 00:03:24,779 Speaker 1: you can go back to the main feed and dive 65 00:03:24,779 --> 00:03:27,130 Speaker 1: into the episodes where you need a bit of extra help. 66 00:03:27,419 --> 00:03:30,059 Speaker 1: But if you're like me and you're perhaps a little 67 00:03:30,059 --> 00:03:33,859 Speaker 1: unprepared for this interview, the interviews this afternoon, or possibly 68 00:03:33,860 --> 00:03:36,839 Speaker 1: in 15 minutes, then stick with us. We're gonna give 69 00:03:36,839 --> 00:03:39,779 Speaker 1: you a top line rundown and get you super prepared 70 00:03:39,779 --> 00:03:41,940 Speaker 1: for that chat you're about to go into. And Helen, 71 00:03:42,020 --> 00:03:43,899 Speaker 1: we want to start by letting everyone know that being 72 00:03:43,899 --> 00:03:45,179 Speaker 1: nervous is normal. 73 00:03:45,660 --> 00:03:49,410 Speaker 2: Yeah, completely normal to feel nervous, particularly before a job interview. Uh, 74 00:03:49,490 --> 00:03:52,169 Speaker 2: even if you've done lots of them and you're very experienced, 75 00:03:52,649 --> 00:03:55,070 Speaker 2: you will start to feel the nerves kick in the 76 00:03:55,070 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 2: moment you open that window or walk in that door. 77 00:03:58,050 --> 00:04:02,570 Speaker 2: But remember that nerves and anxiety are actually healthy. They're 78 00:04:02,570 --> 00:04:06,889 Speaker 2: an adaptive response intended to keep us safe from danger 79 00:04:06,889 --> 00:04:08,330 Speaker 2: or something going wrong. 80 00:04:08,809 --> 00:04:11,970 Speaker 2: There is a whole other episode on this, but the 81 00:04:11,970 --> 00:04:15,490 Speaker 2: message we want to convey in this episode is, let's 82 00:04:15,490 --> 00:04:20,369 Speaker 2: harness nerves by setting ourselves up for success. And preparation 83 00:04:20,369 --> 00:04:20,690 Speaker 2: is the 84 00:04:20,690 --> 00:04:25,089 Speaker 1: key. That's right. Nerves, it's actually just excitement masquerading as 85 00:04:25,089 --> 00:04:27,808 Speaker 1: something else, and it's good that you're excited for this interview. 86 00:04:28,230 --> 00:04:31,100 Speaker 1: So, you've got this interview, you know about the organisation 87 00:04:31,100 --> 00:04:33,269 Speaker 1: and you know about the role, but how much do 88 00:04:33,269 --> 00:04:35,950 Speaker 1: you know about them? It's really essential to make a 89 00:04:35,950 --> 00:04:39,669 Speaker 1: good impression that you are prepared and you have done 90 00:04:39,670 --> 00:04:42,589 Speaker 1: a bit of looking and digging around. So even if 91 00:04:42,589 --> 00:04:44,549 Speaker 1: you don't have much time left, do a bit of 92 00:04:44,549 --> 00:04:48,289 Speaker 1: a click around, figure out the company's mission, its culture, 93 00:04:48,428 --> 00:04:51,029 Speaker 1: its values, suck up some of the language that they're 94 00:04:51,029 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: using so that you can say it back to them. 95 00:04:54,350 --> 00:04:56,750 Speaker 1: Not recite it back to them like a poem, but 96 00:04:56,750 --> 00:04:57,209 Speaker 1: just have 97 00:04:57,255 --> 00:05:00,484 Speaker 1: A bit of that language that can inform your responses 98 00:05:00,484 --> 00:05:05,765 Speaker 1: more generally. You can also Google recent news, achievements, announcements 99 00:05:05,765 --> 00:05:09,964 Speaker 1: about the organisation. Remember that the person interviewing you probably 100 00:05:09,964 --> 00:05:13,674 Speaker 1: hasn't spent their whole last two weeks sitting on their website. 101 00:05:13,964 --> 00:05:16,803 Speaker 1: They are probably focused on what's going on for them 102 00:05:16,803 --> 00:05:19,924 Speaker 1: in their organisation right now. And that's much more likely 103 00:05:19,924 --> 00:05:23,005 Speaker 1: to be informed by media releases or things in the news. 104 00:05:23,084 --> 00:05:24,855 Speaker 1: So make sure you do a Google as well as 105 00:05:24,855 --> 00:05:26,243 Speaker 1: go to the website. 106 00:05:26,769 --> 00:05:31,979 Speaker 1: Check out the organization's clients, competitors, or the people they service. 107 00:05:32,350 --> 00:05:35,109 Speaker 1: That'll help you build a picture and some sort of 108 00:05:35,109 --> 00:05:38,829 Speaker 1: context for this role. It'll help you understand perhaps any 109 00:05:38,829 --> 00:05:41,029 Speaker 1: industry trends that are going on and be aware of 110 00:05:41,029 --> 00:05:44,630 Speaker 1: major projects that might help your answers be just that 111 00:05:44,630 --> 00:05:46,309 Speaker 1: little bit more insightful. 112 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:50,190 Speaker 1: And finally, make sure you've read the job description in detail. 113 00:05:50,359 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 1: Not skimmed it, not how to read and go, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 114 00:05:52,678 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 1: I get the idea. Understand the scope of responsibilities, the 115 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,079 Speaker 1: reporting lines, and how that role is going to contribute 116 00:06:00,079 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: to the organisation. 117 00:06:01,529 --> 00:06:05,118 Speaker 1: Because that tells you what questions you should be prepared for. 118 00:06:05,410 --> 00:06:08,529 Speaker 1: And you wanna make sure that your answers are essentially 119 00:06:08,529 --> 00:06:12,820 Speaker 1: speaking to those selection criteria. These people who are interviewing you, 120 00:06:12,829 --> 00:06:15,649 Speaker 1: or perhaps their bosses have spent a lot of time 121 00:06:15,649 --> 00:06:18,799 Speaker 1: writing that criteria to try and get the candidate they want. 122 00:06:19,049 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 1: Make sure you can speak to it. 123 00:06:20,730 --> 00:06:22,890 Speaker 2: And I just add on that, knowing who the CEO 124 00:06:22,890 --> 00:06:26,010 Speaker 2: of the organisation is, is worthwhile. Um, it does show 125 00:06:26,010 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 2: that you're across the general news and current affairs, super helpful. 126 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,130 Speaker 2: And if something has gone wrong for that company on 127 00:06:33,130 --> 00:06:35,928 Speaker 2: that day, if you've missed that, that can be quite 128 00:06:35,928 --> 00:06:39,899 Speaker 2: a negative. So, for example, say they've had a cyberattack, uh, 129 00:06:40,019 --> 00:06:42,419 Speaker 2: and they're all over the morning news, you kind of 130 00:06:42,420 --> 00:06:44,169 Speaker 2: need to know that when you're going into an interview. 131 00:06:44,738 --> 00:06:47,940 Speaker 1: Helen, tell me about some of the common questions that 132 00:06:47,940 --> 00:06:51,339 Speaker 1: come up in interviews, the kind of questions that you 133 00:06:51,339 --> 00:06:52,700 Speaker 1: should be prepared to answer. 134 00:06:53,559 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 2: Jam, so we go into these in later episodes, so 135 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 2: you can get lots of detail around this, but here's 136 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 2: some really common ones. Tell me about yourself. Why are 137 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,849 Speaker 2: you the right fit? What are your strengths? Questions specific 138 00:07:06,850 --> 00:07:10,079 Speaker 2: to the skills and responsibilities of the role. The trickier 139 00:07:10,079 --> 00:07:13,679 Speaker 2: questions are, what's your biggest weakness? Where do you see 140 00:07:13,679 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 2: yourself in 5 years? And the big one, explaining a 141 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 2: career break. There's also scenario behavioural questions, e.g., 142 00:07:22,820 --> 00:07:27,019 Speaker 2: A time that you dealt with competing priorities, uh, or 143 00:07:27,019 --> 00:07:31,119 Speaker 2: demonstrated leadership. These, as I say, we go into greater 144 00:07:31,119 --> 00:07:34,260 Speaker 2: detail in episodes to come, but they are important to 145 00:07:34,260 --> 00:07:36,540 Speaker 2: consider if you're going into that interview in what, 10 146 00:07:36,540 --> 00:07:37,170 Speaker 2: minutes now. 147 00:07:37,700 --> 00:07:39,859 Speaker 1: And if you don't have much time, if the clock 148 00:07:39,859 --> 00:07:43,500 Speaker 1: really is ticking, I would focus on examples. Focus on 149 00:07:43,500 --> 00:07:46,769 Speaker 1: a few examples that are from your own working life, 150 00:07:47,019 --> 00:07:50,660 Speaker 1: times you've solved a problem, accomplished something in particular, an 151 00:07:50,660 --> 00:07:51,609 Speaker 1: amazing outcome. 152 00:07:52,429 --> 00:07:54,869 Speaker 1: Examples that can kind of be skewed to answer lots 153 00:07:54,869 --> 00:07:58,470 Speaker 1: of different questions, uh, think about some highlights from your 154 00:07:58,470 --> 00:08:01,350 Speaker 1: working life, of what you've achieved, and when you've done 155 00:08:01,350 --> 00:08:03,140 Speaker 1: something where you've sat and looked back and gone, 156 00:08:03,959 --> 00:08:04,989 Speaker 1: Yeah, job well done. 157 00:08:06,049 --> 00:08:08,850 Speaker 1: You need to know your rights. So, just as there 158 00:08:08,850 --> 00:08:11,329 Speaker 1: are certain questions you can expect in an interview, there 159 00:08:11,329 --> 00:08:16,089 Speaker 1: are also questions that employers are required by law not 160 00:08:16,089 --> 00:08:16,850 Speaker 1: to ask you. 161 00:08:17,380 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: So the Australian Human Rights Commission explains that employers are 162 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:24,679 Speaker 1: not supposed to ask questions that are unnecessary or invite 163 00:08:24,679 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: potentially discriminatory information. For example, it can be unlawful to 164 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: ask questions about your physical health or your mental health conditions, 165 00:08:34,919 --> 00:08:38,070 Speaker 1: or how much sick leave you've taken in your previous job, 166 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,549 Speaker 1: or whether or not you've ever made a work health 167 00:08:40,549 --> 00:08:41,919 Speaker 1: and safety claim. 168 00:08:42,479 --> 00:08:44,809 Speaker 1: They are not supposed to ask whether or not you 169 00:08:44,809 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 1: have children. If they're sitting there and they're concerned about, uh, 170 00:08:49,330 --> 00:08:52,090 Speaker 1: long hours or travel or things that might impact you 171 00:08:52,090 --> 00:08:54,330 Speaker 1: if you do have a family, then they should ask 172 00:08:54,330 --> 00:08:58,210 Speaker 1: you about that directly, not assume what your childcare arrangements 173 00:08:58,210 --> 00:09:00,890 Speaker 1: might be. They're also not supposed to ask directly about 174 00:09:00,890 --> 00:09:04,159 Speaker 1: your age. If they're concerned that this particular role is 175 00:09:04,159 --> 00:09:06,530 Speaker 1: too junior or too senior for you, then they should 176 00:09:06,530 --> 00:09:07,770 Speaker 1: ask that directly. 177 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: Now, in some cases, it is lawful to ask questions 178 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: about disability, particularly if they relate directly to the candidate's 179 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,799 Speaker 1: ability to do the job. Now, you're going into a 180 00:09:18,799 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: job interview today, I bet none of this is gonna 181 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:22,718 Speaker 1: come up. I bet you're going to be sitting there 182 00:09:22,719 --> 00:09:25,039 Speaker 1: with an employer who knows what they're supposed to do 183 00:09:25,039 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: here and does the right thing. But if you start 184 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,359 Speaker 1: to feel really uncomfortable and you want to push back, 185 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: there's an episode that goes into a whole bunch of 186 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,189 Speaker 1: detail if you head back to the podcast feed, or 187 00:09:35,190 --> 00:09:36,309 Speaker 1: you can simply say, 188 00:09:36,830 --> 00:09:39,229 Speaker 1: I don't really feel comfortable asking that question. Would you 189 00:09:39,229 --> 00:09:40,030 Speaker 1: mind if we moved on? 190 00:09:40,950 --> 00:09:43,159 Speaker 2: You can say, I'm not ready to answer that question 191 00:09:43,159 --> 00:09:45,119 Speaker 2: at the moment. Can I consider it and come back 192 00:09:45,119 --> 00:09:46,799 Speaker 2: at the end of the interview, just to buy yourself 193 00:09:46,799 --> 00:09:50,239 Speaker 2: some time and take some deep breaths as you go. Uh, 194 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 2: women and the confidence dilemma. So, we know that confidence 195 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,150 Speaker 2: is one of the top 1 or 2 things that 196 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:03,950 Speaker 2: women identify as a challenge for them in life generally, um, 197 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,159 Speaker 2: let alone going into an interview. So, 198 00:10:07,359 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 2: Displaying confidence. It can be a double-edged sword. So sometimes 199 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 2: confidence can be a negative thing. Um, but even more so, 200 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:18,650 Speaker 2: it can be a double-edged sword for women of colour. So, commonly, 201 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:22,039 Speaker 2: this is known as the likability penalty. Jan, I know 202 00:10:22,039 --> 00:10:24,419 Speaker 2: this is an area of your expertise. Talk us through 203 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,228 Speaker 2: this particular issue and the complexity of it. 204 00:10:27,510 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: Countless studies have shown that when a man behaves in 205 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: a really confident way at work or in a job interview, 206 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:37,030 Speaker 1: That tends to be something that's liked, job interviewers, his colleagues, 207 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,989 Speaker 1: they tend to like that, makes him a more likeable guy, 208 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,719 Speaker 1: but when women display that same trait, they can be 209 00:10:43,719 --> 00:10:45,390 Speaker 1: judged as less likeable. 210 00:10:45,859 --> 00:10:49,059 Speaker 1: This is sexism, folks, this is not cool, and this 211 00:10:49,059 --> 00:10:52,099 Speaker 1: is not your fault. But it is a bias that 212 00:10:52,099 --> 00:10:56,049 Speaker 1: we perhaps need to be aware of in the interview context. So, 213 00:10:56,299 --> 00:10:58,700 Speaker 1: I don't want to swing the pendulum for you so 214 00:10:58,700 --> 00:11:01,979 Speaker 1: far towards trying to be likeable that you undersell your 215 00:11:01,979 --> 00:11:05,770 Speaker 1: true value and your achievements. You should absolutely sell them. 216 00:11:05,982 --> 00:11:08,252 Speaker 1: And if that's something you have trouble doing, we got 217 00:11:08,252 --> 00:11:10,051 Speaker 1: a whole episode on that for you as well if 218 00:11:10,052 --> 00:11:12,732 Speaker 1: you head back to the feed. A job interview is 219 00:11:12,732 --> 00:11:16,333 Speaker 1: not the time to be modest. So, while I don't 220 00:11:16,333 --> 00:11:19,802 Speaker 1: think you should show off or oversell yourself, or certainly 221 00:11:19,802 --> 00:11:23,352 Speaker 1: overstate what you've done in the past, I don't think 222 00:11:23,352 --> 00:11:26,093 Speaker 1: now is the time to be worried about sexism. I 223 00:11:26,093 --> 00:11:26,203 Speaker 1: think 224 00:11:26,255 --> 00:11:29,005 Speaker 1: Now is the time to lean into what you're good at, 225 00:11:29,285 --> 00:11:31,526 Speaker 1: what you're accomplished at, and what you can bring to 226 00:11:31,526 --> 00:11:35,125 Speaker 1: this organisation. If sexism is in play in this organisation 227 00:11:35,125 --> 00:11:38,395 Speaker 1: in an overt way, you can always say something later. 228 00:11:38,726 --> 00:11:41,726 Speaker 1: And if it's there in a less overt way, there's 229 00:11:41,726 --> 00:11:43,726 Speaker 1: nothing you can do to solve that right now. And 230 00:11:43,726 --> 00:11:46,444 Speaker 1: that's sad and unfortunate and frustrating. 231 00:11:46,739 --> 00:11:50,450 Speaker 1: Uh, it's something you should complain about with your mates afterwards. However, 232 00:11:50,659 --> 00:11:54,330 Speaker 1: I don't think it should mean that you deliberately undersell 233 00:11:54,330 --> 00:11:56,489 Speaker 1: yourself in order to make yourself more likeable. 234 00:11:56,820 --> 00:11:58,770 Speaker 2: We do go into this in great detail, because I 235 00:11:58,770 --> 00:12:01,179 Speaker 2: know for many of you, this will be a challenge, 236 00:12:01,409 --> 00:12:04,500 Speaker 2: particularly if you're in your 50s, you're going for a 237 00:12:04,500 --> 00:12:07,099 Speaker 2: job that you haven't gone for for a long time. 238 00:12:07,534 --> 00:12:10,375 Speaker 2: Finding that inner confidence is gonna be a struggle. So 239 00:12:10,375 --> 00:12:12,494 Speaker 2: do go and find some of the other episodes that 240 00:12:12,494 --> 00:12:17,483 Speaker 2: relate to your particular circumstances. Uh, but Jamilla's right, just, 241 00:12:17,534 --> 00:12:20,093 Speaker 2: if you don't talk about the teamwork, don't talk about 242 00:12:20,094 --> 00:12:21,844 Speaker 2: that you work with someone that was cleverer than you, 243 00:12:22,255 --> 00:12:24,614 Speaker 2: own your own achievements. This is the time to do 244 00:12:24,614 --> 00:12:27,454 Speaker 2: that in just a straightforward, uncomplicated way. 245 00:12:28,479 --> 00:12:29,669 Speaker 2: Finally, 246 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: practise, practise, practise. Yeah. And I say that even to 247 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: those of you who are in the car driving to 248 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 1: the interview, you can still practise, because what you can 249 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: do right now is you can practise out loud. So 250 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:46,039 Speaker 1: many of us prepare for speaking roles or job interviews 251 00:12:46,039 --> 00:12:49,039 Speaker 1: where we need to say things out loud and we 252 00:12:49,039 --> 00:12:51,039 Speaker 1: practise in our heads. And we sit there and we 253 00:12:51,039 --> 00:12:53,349 Speaker 1: read our notes again and again and again and again. 254 00:12:53,599 --> 00:12:56,359 Speaker 1: That's not practise. That's not practise. That's practising for self. 255 00:12:56,474 --> 00:12:59,765 Speaker 1: Something else. That's practising for the reading test, not the 256 00:12:59,765 --> 00:13:04,145 Speaker 1: speaking test. So if you possibly can, start asking yourself 257 00:13:04,145 --> 00:13:07,854 Speaker 1: some questions in your head, but say the answer out loud. 258 00:13:07,984 --> 00:13:10,265 Speaker 1: If you've got a little bit more time, then maybe 259 00:13:10,265 --> 00:13:14,174 Speaker 1: chat to friends and family, have someone ask you some questions. 260 00:13:14,544 --> 00:13:18,344 Speaker 1: Don't try and rote learn things. This isn't a test 261 00:13:18,344 --> 00:13:21,775 Speaker 1: at school. You wanna sound authentic, you want to be you. 262 00:13:22,065 --> 00:13:24,695 Speaker 1: But practising will also build your confidence and 263 00:13:24,739 --> 00:13:28,319 Speaker 1: And it will give you a more, uh, discrete eye 264 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,010 Speaker 1: to what you want to say. Studies have shown that 265 00:13:31,010 --> 00:13:34,409 Speaker 1: talking to yourself promotes better learning, and it helps you 266 00:13:34,409 --> 00:13:38,849 Speaker 1: deliver your material with greater confidence. Similarly, voicing your strengths 267 00:13:38,849 --> 00:13:42,950 Speaker 1: and saying positive, uh, self-talk or affirmations can also have 268 00:13:42,950 --> 00:13:45,919 Speaker 1: a really positive effect on your confidence. Might feel silly, 269 00:13:46,109 --> 00:13:47,770 Speaker 1: but it's a really good thing to do. And can 270 00:13:47,770 --> 00:13:49,799 Speaker 2: I just let you into a secret? If you're the 271 00:13:49,799 --> 00:13:52,250 Speaker 2: CEO of a major company in Australia and you're going 272 00:13:52,250 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 2: to 273 00:13:53,005 --> 00:13:57,354 Speaker 2: Give the annual general report to your shareholders, they usually 274 00:13:57,354 --> 00:14:01,934 Speaker 2: have someone who has prepared them for that meeting. So 275 00:14:01,934 --> 00:14:04,354 Speaker 2: they've had an expert come in and fire every possible 276 00:14:04,354 --> 00:14:06,794 Speaker 2: question at them, and they've got used to answering questions 277 00:14:06,794 --> 00:14:08,844 Speaker 2: out loud. So if it's good enough for the CEO 278 00:14:08,844 --> 00:14:10,674 Speaker 2: of a major company, it's good enough for you. Find 279 00:14:10,674 --> 00:14:13,354 Speaker 2: some friends or family, or, as I often say, just 280 00:14:13,354 --> 00:14:16,354 Speaker 2: record your answers on your phone and play it back, and, and, 281 00:14:16,395 --> 00:14:18,824 Speaker 2: and get a sense of how you sound and feel. 282 00:14:19,005 --> 00:14:21,025 Speaker 2: It will make all the difference. 283 00:14:22,030 --> 00:14:24,109 Speaker 2: Make a good impression on the day. How do you 284 00:14:24,109 --> 00:14:25,619 Speaker 2: make a good impression on the day? 285 00:14:25,830 --> 00:14:28,270 Speaker 1: Oh, this is the one I hate talking about everyone, 286 00:14:28,309 --> 00:14:31,710 Speaker 1: it makes me uncomfortable. But research shows that people do 287 00:14:31,710 --> 00:14:34,909 Speaker 1: make snap judgments about us. They make judgments about us 288 00:14:34,909 --> 00:14:39,669 Speaker 1: within seconds. They make judgments about our trustworthiness, our likability, 289 00:14:39,830 --> 00:14:43,150 Speaker 1: our confidence, and our earning potential. And of course, there's 290 00:14:43,150 --> 00:14:45,429 Speaker 1: a whole lot of bias going on in there, and 291 00:14:45,429 --> 00:14:47,669 Speaker 1: you just gotta set that aside because you are not 292 00:14:47,669 --> 00:14:49,390 Speaker 1: in control of that, and that is not. 293 00:14:49,479 --> 00:14:53,070 Speaker 1: Your fault. However, there are a couple of proactive things 294 00:14:53,070 --> 00:14:55,429 Speaker 1: you can do that will mean you make a really 295 00:14:55,429 --> 00:14:59,820 Speaker 1: good professional impression. So, before you go into that interview room, 296 00:15:00,030 --> 00:15:03,510 Speaker 1: check your LinkedIn, please. Make sure it's up to date. Uh, 297 00:15:03,590 --> 00:15:07,619 Speaker 1: make sure your social media presence is either not accessible 298 00:15:07,619 --> 00:15:11,309 Speaker 1: to people who aren't friends, or perhaps that awesome shot 299 00:15:11,309 --> 00:15:13,830 Speaker 1: of you and your mate making a human pyramid when 300 00:15:13,830 --> 00:15:15,630 Speaker 1: you were drunk on a Friday night. Maybe we don't 301 00:15:15,630 --> 00:15:17,059 Speaker 1: want that up there today. 302 00:15:17,830 --> 00:15:21,820 Speaker 1: Your interviewer may well stalk you ahead of the interview. 303 00:15:21,950 --> 00:15:25,109 Speaker 1: This is common practise now for interviewers and organisations to 304 00:15:25,109 --> 00:15:27,510 Speaker 1: do a bit of a Google to see what your 305 00:15:27,510 --> 00:15:31,270 Speaker 1: online presence is like. The Jobs Academy website actually has 306 00:15:31,270 --> 00:15:35,190 Speaker 1: a really useful resource for building a killer LinkedIn account. 307 00:15:35,270 --> 00:15:38,869 Speaker 1: So if you've got some time, go and prepare and 308 00:15:38,869 --> 00:15:40,909 Speaker 1: do a little bit of an audit of your LinkedIn. 309 00:15:41,409 --> 00:15:44,219 Speaker 2: So be on time, in fact, be early, uh, that's 310 00:15:44,219 --> 00:15:46,380 Speaker 2: as good for nerves as it is for just being 311 00:15:46,380 --> 00:15:49,679 Speaker 2: polite and good practise. Plan your route, if it's your tech, 312 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:51,090 Speaker 2: test whether you've got, 313 00:15:52,229 --> 00:15:52,900 Speaker 2: Google, 314 00:15:53,270 --> 00:15:55,179 Speaker 1: Tess Microsoft, 315 00:15:55,349 --> 00:16:00,190 Speaker 2: all the things, Cisco, and in some cases there's companies 316 00:16:00,190 --> 00:16:02,630 Speaker 2: that have their own platform that's really tricky. 317 00:16:03,010 --> 00:16:05,609 Speaker 2: Uh, so if you've got one of those fancy, big, uh, 318 00:16:05,770 --> 00:16:08,359 Speaker 2: global tech companies that you're applying for a job for, 319 00:16:08,809 --> 00:16:13,210 Speaker 2: go early because the tech won't work. Plan your outfit. Now, outfits, 320 00:16:13,330 --> 00:16:17,039 Speaker 2: Jamila and I both have an allergic reaction to this conversation, 321 00:16:17,090 --> 00:16:19,650 Speaker 2: because fundamentally, it frustrates us that men can just wear 322 00:16:19,650 --> 00:16:21,710 Speaker 2: the same blue suit and white shirt. We actually have 323 00:16:21,710 --> 00:16:25,489 Speaker 2: to find an outfit to wear that's potentially different. I 324 00:16:25,489 --> 00:16:27,289 Speaker 2: would say, if that is something that's bothering. 325 00:16:27,385 --> 00:16:29,695 Speaker 2: You today and you don't know what to do, wear 326 00:16:29,695 --> 00:16:31,934 Speaker 2: what I'm wearing today? Just a plain white shirt. Just 327 00:16:31,934 --> 00:16:34,815 Speaker 2: keep it really simple, don't overthink your outfit. Make it 328 00:16:34,815 --> 00:16:38,695 Speaker 2: almost a non-issue. If you are in creative areas and 329 00:16:38,695 --> 00:16:42,445 Speaker 2: colour and creativity, and it comes naturally to you, absolutely 330 00:16:42,445 --> 00:16:45,734 Speaker 2: wear whatever you want. Most importantly, wear what makes you 331 00:16:45,734 --> 00:16:48,414 Speaker 2: feel comfortable. So you've planned your outfit. If you want 332 00:16:48,414 --> 00:16:50,375 Speaker 2: to know more about that, we do talk at length 333 00:16:50,375 --> 00:16:51,734 Speaker 2: about that in another episode. 334 00:16:52,250 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: Make sure you're polite and friendly, and that sounds really straightforward, 335 00:16:56,650 --> 00:16:59,570 Speaker 1: but sometimes when you're nervous, you can come across a 336 00:16:59,570 --> 00:17:03,169 Speaker 1: little bit standoffish, unintentionally. So make sure you're polite and 337 00:17:03,169 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: friendly and be polite and friendly to everyone, not just 338 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:08,410 Speaker 1: the people who are interviewing you. 339 00:17:08,703 --> 00:17:11,342 Speaker 1: Not just the people you perceive as important because of 340 00:17:11,343 --> 00:17:14,342 Speaker 1: their position. Be polite to the receptionist, be polite to 341 00:17:14,343 --> 00:17:16,984 Speaker 1: the guy who's watering the plants, be polite to the 342 00:17:16,984 --> 00:17:21,183 Speaker 1: woman who's ordering the coffees. Be polite to everyone you meet, because, firstly, 343 00:17:21,384 --> 00:17:24,744 Speaker 1: be a good person, and second, all of the impressions count. 344 00:17:25,479 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 2: They absolutely do. And in fact, it's quite common for 345 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 2: an interview team to go to the receptionist. What did 346 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,199 Speaker 2: you think about Jamila on her way in? Because the 347 00:17:34,199 --> 00:17:38,180 Speaker 2: way you treat everyone often says a lot about who 348 00:17:38,180 --> 00:17:40,188 Speaker 2: you are and what sort of team member you will be. 349 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 2: The other added advantage of that is you get used 350 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:43,839 Speaker 2: to hearing your voice, and it can break the nerves 351 00:17:43,839 --> 00:17:45,169 Speaker 2: down a little bit. Uh, yeah, 352 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,609 Speaker 1: don't make the first person you've spoken to that day 353 00:17:47,609 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: be the interviewer. That's right. 354 00:17:50,189 --> 00:17:53,300 Speaker 1: Finally, if you need a bit of a pep talk, 355 00:17:53,510 --> 00:17:56,750 Speaker 1: if this has been a really great episode for you, 356 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:58,899 Speaker 1: but it's got a lot of dense information in it, 357 00:17:59,109 --> 00:18:01,349 Speaker 1: if you just need a pep talk, a pep talk 358 00:18:01,349 --> 00:18:04,109 Speaker 1: that will help you remember that you're excellent, that you 359 00:18:04,109 --> 00:18:06,869 Speaker 1: have a whole bunch of skills that you have learned 360 00:18:06,869 --> 00:18:09,699 Speaker 1: a lot over your career, that you are someone who, 361 00:18:09,790 --> 00:18:11,468 Speaker 1: whether or not you've had a break or not, 362 00:18:11,594 --> 00:18:15,295 Speaker 1: Has continued to learn things, has something to give the 363 00:18:15,295 --> 00:18:17,625 Speaker 1: organisation that you're applying for. And you just need to 364 00:18:17,625 --> 00:18:20,665 Speaker 1: sort of settle that fast beating heart and get rid 365 00:18:20,665 --> 00:18:23,525 Speaker 1: of those sweaty palms and take a few deep breaths, 366 00:18:23,665 --> 00:18:26,094 Speaker 1: then we can guide you through that in another episode. 367 00:18:26,224 --> 00:18:28,864 Speaker 1: So go have a look at the pre-interview pep talk. 368 00:18:28,944 --> 00:18:32,544 Speaker 1: It is designed to help you harness your nerves on 369 00:18:32,545 --> 00:18:33,024 Speaker 1: the day. 370 00:18:33,329 --> 00:18:35,030 Speaker 1: And if you've run out of time for that, if 371 00:18:35,030 --> 00:18:37,109 Speaker 1: you are that person in the car, I reckon we're 372 00:18:37,109 --> 00:18:39,669 Speaker 1: about there. I reckon we're a minute away. Just take 373 00:18:39,670 --> 00:18:42,300 Speaker 1: a couple of deep breaths. I want you to follow 374 00:18:42,300 --> 00:18:46,589 Speaker 1: the pattern of in for 4, hold for 7, out 375 00:18:46,589 --> 00:18:51,030 Speaker 1: for 8. That's in for 4, hold for 7, out 376 00:18:51,030 --> 00:18:51,189 Speaker 1: for 377 00:18:51,189 --> 00:18:53,459 Speaker 2: 8. And then tell us how you go. We really 378 00:18:53,459 --> 00:18:54,150 Speaker 2: want to know. Good 379 00:18:54,150 --> 00:18:54,589 Speaker 1: luck. 380 00:18:57,089 --> 00:19:01,208 Speaker 1: Shortlisted is produced by Future Women's Jobs Academy. To apply 381 00:19:01,209 --> 00:19:07,169 Speaker 1: to join, head to jobsacademy.uwomen.com or go to Futurewomen.com to 382 00:19:07,170 --> 00:19:09,079 Speaker 1: become a future women member today.