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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strado.

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Speaker 3: This is Mumma Mer's twice daily news podcast, The Quickie.

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Speaker 3: Earlier this year, we explored the origins of anti Semitism

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Speaker 3: after a string of attacks on Jewish neighborhoods and synagogues.

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Speaker 3: After the weekend, there's been more, and even an alleged

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Speaker 3: arson attack in Melbourne. Now the Victorian government is setting

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Speaker 3: up an anti hate task force.

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Speaker 2: So what will it achieve? Plus?

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Speaker 3: Have you seen the phrase alligator Alcatraz popping up? We'll

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Speaker 3: take you through one of the Trump administration's latest attempts

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Speaker 3: to drive out migrants. Before we get there, here's Claire

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Speaker 3: Murphy with the latest from The Quickie newsroom for Tuesday,

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Speaker 3: July eighth.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor. After enduring her first night in prison as

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Speaker 1: a convicted triple murderer, Aaron Patterson is now facing the

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Speaker 1: The fifty year old mother of two was found guilty

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Speaker 1: on Monday after a long trial. Her strange husband, Simon's

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Speaker 1: parents Don and Gale Patterson, and her Auntie Headther Wilkinson

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Speaker 1: Wellington parcels laced with death cap mushrooms. Heather's husband, Ian Wilkinson,

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Speaker 1: was the sole survivor. The jury's guilty verdicts come seven

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Speaker 1: days after they were sent away to deliberate and eleven

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Speaker 1: weeks into the trial in the Victorian town of Morewell.

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Speaker 1: Patterson now facing a sentence of life in prison for

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Speaker 1: this year. Brianna Chesser, a clinical forensic psychologist and criminal lawyer,

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Speaker 1: said options for appeal were usually restricted to points of law,

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Speaker 1: we've heard during the cross examination and examination in chief

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Speaker 1: and that they may act as a mitigating factor in

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Speaker 1: her sentence. Miss Chessa also says that the sentence may

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Speaker 1: also be influenced by the fact that Pattison is a

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Speaker 1: but also that she's also been convicted of four of

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Speaker 1: the most serious crimes in Victoria. Within ours of the verdict,

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court released dozens of pieces of evidence that

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Speaker 1: after police found them inside of being at Pattison's home,

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Speaker 1: Prosecutors said this was Patterson's primary phone in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: used it to find death cap mushrooms online. Please be

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Speaker 1: advised for Aboriginal and Torrestrate islander listeners that this next

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Speaker 1: The nation's longest running cronial inquest has exposed deeply disturbing

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Speaker 1: racism within an Australian policevie. According to the Human Rights Commission,

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Speaker 1: In delivering her findings on Monday, Jarge Armitage said that

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Speaker 1: mister Walker's death was avoidable and that mister Rolf was

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Speaker 1: the six hundred page findings were handed down, but said

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Speaker 1: they would take some time before commenting further. Today, rescue

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Speaker 3: Thanks Claire Next, Victoria's new anti hate task Force. When

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Speaker 3: I think about Friday Night in Melbourne, a few things

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Speaker 3: But Friday Night just gone. The reality is pretty different.

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Speaker 3: Twenty people, including families and children, were forced to flee. Thankfully,

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Speaker 3: and the community left rattled. That same Friday, night, about

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Speaker 3: twenty protesters storm Miznon, an Israeli owned restaurant in the CBD,

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Speaker 3: Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi condemned the actions.

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Speaker 4: Cowardly is an act of violence and anti Semitism and

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Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Victorian Premier Jacinta Allen has called these attacks sickening,

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Speaker 2: This week to tell us more.

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Speaker 2: Dennis, what sparked this latest wave of a tax do you.

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Speaker 4: Think What strikes me is the distinction between the attack

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Speaker 4: a huge distinction between an attack on a synagogue and an

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Speaker 3: Task force like these this has come in the light

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Speaker 3: of some anti Semitic attacks. While we don't know what

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Speaker 3: been this growing tension, I guess, of anti Semitism but

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Speaker 4: If I were a politician, I would also set up

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Speaker 4: It involves the quite deep racism that many African Australians

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Speaker 4: going to minimize the problem. I just don't see another

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Speaker 4: the opposition's call for national cabinet is about as sensible

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Speaker 3: I just want to take you back to the weekend,

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Speaker 3: Dennis in amongst the string of things that have been happening,

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Speaker 3: There were reports that this week and there were protesters

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Speaker 3: Where do we go from here? I mean, we keep

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Speaker 4: Look, I would like to see much greater interaction between

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Speaker 4: need a much tougher stance by the Albanesi government against

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Speaker 2: Allow me to explain.

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Speaker 3: The brand new pop up immigration detention center in the

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Speaker 3: middle of the Florida has become the latest flashpoint in

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Speaker 3: America's immigration debate. Alligator Alcatraz is a massive makeshift detention

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Speaker 3: housed at the Dade Colliat Training and Transition Airport AKA

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Speaker 3: and isolated airfield surrounded by swamp, planned alligators and pythons.

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Speaker 3: This fact, according to Florida Governor Rondasenters, makes it the

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Speaker 3: perfect spot to facilitate giving migrants the boot.

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Speaker 5: What it can be I think is an effective way

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Speaker 5: to increase the number of removals and deportations, which ultimately,

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Speaker 5: if you don't do that, you know you're going to

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Speaker 5: continue to have this problem of illegal immigration. So you'll

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Speaker 5: be able to bring people in, they'll get process, they

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Speaker 5: have an order of removal, then they can be cued.

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Speaker 5: The federal government can fly right on the runway right there.

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Speaker 5: You literally drive them two thousand feet, put them on

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Speaker 5: a plane, and then they're gone. It's very logistically simple.

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Speaker 3: The site is designed to hold up to five thousand

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Speaker 3: migrants as part of President Trump's deportation push. The Santas

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Speaker 3: and Trump have both linked into the Alcatraz branding, boasting

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Speaker 3: that these surrounding everglades make it nearly impossible to escape.

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Speaker 1: They have a lot of buddyguards and a lot of

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Speaker 1: cops that are in the form of alligators. You do

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Speaker 1: not have to pay so much, but I wouldn't want

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Speaker 3: Images of the site have been released. Think rows of

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Speaker 3: and more than two hundred security cameras. It's already begun

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Speaker 3: taking detainees. But who's paying for it? Florida has budgeted

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Speaker 3: four hundred and fifty million dollars to run the facility

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Speaker 3: from the Federal Emergency Management Agency. So yes, US taxpayers

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Speaker 2: The project in the future.

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Speaker 3: The GP has fully leaned in on the Republican Party

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Speaker 3: of Florida website. They're currently selling Alligator Alcatraz merch like

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Speaker 3: Seriously You can buy hats, shirts, and even stubby holders

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Speaker 3: with the aggressive Swamplan project emblazoned on the front. But

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Speaker 3: it's not just the name and the merch that's making headlines.

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Speaker 3: Critics say the site is a human rights disaster waiting

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Speaker 3: the remote location, the lack of oversight, extreme heat, flooding, hurricanes.

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Speaker 2: And mosquito born diseases.

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Speaker 3: The facility has already flooded just days after opening, with

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Speaker 3: experts warning that the tents may not be able to

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Speaker 3: withstand a major storm. But Trump and Dissantas say Alligator

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Speaker 3: Alcatraz is a model for other states and more facilities

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Speaker 3: could be on the way for now, though the debate

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Speaker 3: a dangerous stunt with real human and environmental costs. Thanks

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