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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mom with mea podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Parenting out Loud, the podcast for parents who

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Speaker 2: don't always listen to parenting podcasts. Do we think we're

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Speaker 2: better than the other parenting podcast I'm not sure, but

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Speaker 2: we might sometimes because where you try to bring you

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Speaker 2: sort of the news and the trends and the culture

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Speaker 2: rather than the toilet training tips.

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Speaker 3: I'm Monique Bowley, I'm Amelia Lester.

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Speaker 1: And I'm Claire Stevens.

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Speaker 2: Hey thoughts impressed to anyone camping this easter? Just like,

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Speaker 2: hope it's going well for you. Hope the weather's holding out,

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Speaker 2: Hope the petrol tanks are full.

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Speaker 4: I'm picturing friend of the podcast, Holly Waynwright. She's going camping,

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Speaker 4: and I just get the sense everything's going to be damp,

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Speaker 4: even if it's not raining, it will just be damp

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Speaker 4: because that is camping.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's resilience building, all right.

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Speaker 3: Coming up on today's show.

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Speaker 4: Is Chris Pratt, the most hated dad on the Internet.

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Speaker 5: We look at his supposed crimes.

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Speaker 6: And why do Australians love school uniforms so much? A

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Speaker 6: Sydney school ditched them to its peril.

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Speaker 2: And the U come last rule, which blew up the

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Speaker 2: comments section this week. But first Easter aside, what has

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Speaker 2: been happening this week online?

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Speaker 6: This might be the parenting version of the Fire Festival.

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Speaker 6: The Fire Festival was a twenty seventeen music festival in

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Speaker 6: the Bahamas.

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Speaker 1: You might remember.

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Speaker 6: It failed so badly. It was documented in a Netflix

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Speaker 6: special and all these hipsters were like showing these sandwiches

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Speaker 6: that they'd paid thousands of dollars for on this remote

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Speaker 6: island where the musical accident show up. It was just

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Speaker 6: like an epic fail. Well, Florida parents who spent a

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Speaker 6: lot of money on tickets to something called Barbie Dreamfest

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Speaker 6: this week are comparing it to the Fire Festival. Tickets

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Speaker 6: to this event cost something like one hundred and ninety dollars.

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Speaker 6: It was marketed as an immersive celebration of Barbie with

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Speaker 6: interactive experiences and themed installations. Let me pause to say,

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Speaker 6: this is exactly the kind of event I love to

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Speaker 6: waste money on. Yeah, because in my head I think

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Speaker 6: grateful to their mother for providing them with this immersive

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Speaker 6: themed experience. I will pat myself on the back and

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Speaker 6: we'll all go home happy.

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Speaker 2: It's also the kind of event Amelia that you know

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Speaker 2: is going to look good on your social media. I

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Speaker 2: can't believe I have to say that, but in twenty

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Speaker 2: page for when I take my children to this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 6: And you also want to be that parent who's like

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Speaker 6: I just try and find an interesting and unique experience

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Speaker 1: Or maybe that's just me.

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Speaker 6: Anyway, most found themselves very disappointed with the Barbie Dreamfest,

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Speaker 6: and they left with their children after an hour.

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Speaker 3: To picture for us of what it actually was like.

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Speaker 2: So you think it's gonna be like the Barbie movie, right,

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Speaker 2: what happens when they walk in Amelia?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, it's a sparsely decorated warehouse space and there

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Speaker 6: is not even any music playing. So just imagine like

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Speaker 1: Very quiet because again, no music.

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Speaker 4: They should just play the Barbie movie soundtrack.

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Speaker 1: They could so.

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Speaker 4: Well for one hundred that's one hundred and ninety USDs tickets.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they could afforded.

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Speaker 6: Let me quote from one attendee who told People Magazine

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Speaker 6: as we walked to the entrance around opening, it was

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Speaker 6: saw were the eighties skating rink and the bike event.

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Speaker 6: The rink was metal bars and a tiny disco ball,

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Speaker 1: No theme.

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Speaker 6: The Barbie dream House, which I would have pictured myself

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Speaker 5: The kids would have been so pissed.

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Speaker 6: It gets worse because there were apparently a few vendors

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Speaker 1: Experiences weren't included in the cost.

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Speaker 6: Is there anything that enrages a parent more than paying

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Speaker 5: Because there's nothing to do.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing to do.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't start looking at this.

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Speaker 2: I was like one of those I just didn't know

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Speaker 2: and I think I messaged you Amelia. I was like,

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Speaker 2: don't disturb me. I'm in the comments eating popcorn. This

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Speaker 2: is like the greatest and the worst thing I've ever seen.

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Speaker 2: At the same time, it it feels to me like

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Speaker 3: The world is a lot right now.

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Speaker 2: I just want to walk through the Barbie dream House

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Speaker 2: and it is just a cardboard cutout, like it just

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Speaker 1: It reminds me.

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Speaker 6: Also, do you remember the Glasgow Willy Wonka?

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Speaker 1: I think about that, so I know you do, Claire.

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Speaker 6: I didn't even ask you about this beforehand, but I

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Speaker 1: Can you remind us about that? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: So it was basically it was similar and then it

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Speaker 4: was all all set up like Willy Wonka, but really

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Speaker 4: it was shit. No, timmy shallah. It was really bad,

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Speaker 4: but even potentially worse than this. It was scary. All

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Speaker 4: the umplopers really terrified the children, and I was like,

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Speaker 4: oh God, imagine you're not even getting the fun experience,

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Speaker 4: I would have been soapy sed off.

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Speaker 2: Weren't my favorite comment. My favorite comment was and there

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Speaker 2: was there were thousands.

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Speaker 3: If you have.

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Speaker 7: A Barbie event and you advertise for scale dream house,

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Speaker 7: then your only priority is one hundred percent to make

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Speaker 7: high water, like.

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Speaker 1: They come hell or high water.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think the kids would have cared that much. Really,

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Speaker 2: like you take a kid anywhere, you take a kid

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Speaker 3: On the way.

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Speaker 2: I think it's all the parents that feel mightily ripped off,

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Speaker 2: and as they should. It's very much like Barbie Budget

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Speaker 2: Cut Sedition. Okay, another thing that I saw that went

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Speaker 2: Australian couple that went viral for this little postpartum video.

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Speaker 2: So picture the inside of a maternity hospital room, private room.

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Speaker 2: It's filmed sort of point of view from the basinette

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Speaker 1: When did this happen?

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Speaker 3: And they're just completely shocked.

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Speaker 2: So congratulations mum and dad, I guess and they do

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Speaker 2: say in the bid, well, she came early. But Claire,

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Speaker 2: have you planned a sort of rogue surprise birth and

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Speaker 4: Well, the thing is, I can't keep secrets for shit,

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Speaker 4: that grandparents free reign to come whenever suits them, like

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Speaker 4: the night you deliver, the early morning hours, whatever, that

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Speaker 4: don't hug the baby. And then once i'd been.

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Speaker 1: Through it, I thought, absolutely not.

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Speaker 4: I am all for that couple needing a minute, just

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Speaker 4: needing a minute. And I think it's so clever to

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Speaker 4: actually not tell anyone. There is nothing more annoying than

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Speaker 4: about how it's progressing, when you're like, this is really

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Speaker 4: idea of not telling them and them getting a massive surprise.

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Speaker 4: It also means that you then don't have to rush anything,

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Speaker 4: like you don't have to rush, how you feel, you

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Speaker 4: But I'd love to have the self restrained to do this.

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Speaker 6: You're not a Kylie Jenner no how She famously kept

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Speaker 6: her first pregnancy completely secret from the world. Yeah, and

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Speaker 6: But that's interesting ones that that the baby came early.

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Speaker 6: I had a baby early, and I remember that after

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Speaker 6: baby and sent it to one Mere Freedman.

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Speaker 1: Oh, and she wrote back saying.

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Speaker 6: Who is this because no one expected that baby to come.

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Speaker 6: I said, that's my baby, Maya. She's like, oh beautiful.

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Speaker 6: But like you can when you have a baby early,

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Speaker 6: it is a silver lining. The nursery might not be ready,

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Speaker 6: silver lining is you get to surprise your friends.

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Speaker 1: Yeah and your family. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, congrats guys. All right, there's a new rule for

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Speaker 2: parents this week. And as you're parental correspondent, I wanted

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Speaker 2: to bring you across it. It's doing the rounds online

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Speaker 2: after it went viral on X, which used to be Twitter,

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Speaker 2: but we will still call it.

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Speaker 1: I resent having to call it.

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Speaker 4: X formerly known as Twitter. No one can call it

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Speaker 4: X because it's a bad name. Elon, it's a terrible name.

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Speaker 3: Has not got good form with names. He really doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let me read let me read you the X.

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Speaker 2: My super strong parenting opinion is that while the kids

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Speaker 2: are awake, you come last. Laura Hudson at Latter Day

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Speaker 2: Laura wrote this week, no spending all of Saturday golfing.

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Speaker 2: That's family time, six a m.

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Speaker 3: T time only.

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Speaker 2: Maybe want to go to the gym? Go after the

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Speaker 2: kids go to bed or wake up at five. In

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Speaker 2: a few short years, they'll be out of the house

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Speaker 2: and you have all the time in the world for

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Speaker 2: your own stuff. She said, it's okay, come last for

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Speaker 2: a little while. So what do we think of the

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Speaker 2: U come last rule?

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Speaker 4: They're sad, So it will it'll surprise everyone to hear this.

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Speaker 4: But I don't think how we approach parenting can be

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Speaker 4: summed up in three to four sentences on Twitter.

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Speaker 3: That is not selfless decision.

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Speaker 4: Now that scares me because I don't want that kind

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Speaker 4: So it scares me that you're kind of setting yourself

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Speaker 5: About attachment theory.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys have so many moms

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Speaker 4: It's like, if you're sensible person who there's been no

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Speaker 6: I mean, actually some days I don't even hit the

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Speaker 2: Quick story about my parents having one moment where they

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Speaker 3: Where he had his like alone time, and then Dad

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Speaker 6: they did some Mass. They would like ask a big

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Speaker 6: question about the world and then explore it through various disciplines.

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Speaker 6: There were no report cards for grades through year ten.

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Speaker 6: The parent teacher conferences were student led. Recess and lunch

446
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Speaker 6: were called KitKat and picnic, respectively. Don't quite get that one,

447
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Speaker 6: but it.

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Speaker 1: Turns out that it's cool. Yeah, I like it, but

449
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Speaker 1: it's just a little school.

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Speaker 4: The KitKat one. I'm gonna need some like picnic. I

451
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Speaker 4: get Picnic kind of survived.

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Speaker 2: Oh what are we gonna call it? Let's call it

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Speaker 2: KitKat because it's a little break. And then they would

454
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Speaker 2: have said, well, what are we going to call lunch?

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Speaker 2: And then someone would have said, let's keep the chocolate.

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Speaker 1: Oh gosh, so you should work at this school.

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Speaker 6: But it wasn't even the names of recess and lunch

458
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Speaker 6: that were controversial. The most controversial part of this experiment

459
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Speaker 6: was to do with uniforms, and there was no uniform

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Speaker 6: and the government noticed that that families who were moving

461
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Speaker 6: into the area were not enrolling their kids in this school.

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Speaker 6: Like there was a lot of enthusiasm for it when

463
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Speaker 6: it all started in twenty nineteen, but they started to

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Speaker 6: notice that that enthusiasm was tapering off, and they ask

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Speaker 6: respective parents why aren't you sending your kids to this school?

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Speaker 6: The number one reason that parents gave was a lack

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Speaker 6: of uniform and I thought this was so interesting because

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Speaker 6: it is actually one of those things that is an

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Speaker 6: Australian quirk. And a lot of parents who come from overseas,

470
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Speaker 6: certainly from the US, but from many European countries as well,

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Speaker 6: comment that it's unusual to see public school children wearing

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Speaker 6: a uniform. Now, I know not all public schools in

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Speaker 6: Australia wear uniforms, but the majority do. And the government

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Speaker 6: has said that they hope that by implementing an uniform

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Speaker 6: is going to do away with a bit of a

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Speaker 6: stigma that existed around having a school without a uniform.

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Speaker 6: So apparently uniforms were introduced to Australian schools in the

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Speaker 6: nineteenth century because they wanted Australian schools to emulate British schools.

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Speaker 6: But a lot of British schools, a lot of British

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Speaker 6: comprehensive schools now have done away with uniforms, whereas we

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Speaker 6: stick with them.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think we're so attached to uniforms.

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Speaker 4: I know why were so attached to uniforms?

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Speaker 5: And I get it.

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Speaker 4: Firstly, I did a bunch of research before this because

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Speaker 4: I thought from studying psychology, I thought it was well

487
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Speaker 4: established that wearing a uniform is an overhall that positive

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Speaker 4: for behavior, because there's all sorts of studies about when

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Speaker 4: you wear a nurse's uniform you behave in a more

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Speaker 4: altruistic manner.

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Speaker 6: Start wearing a nurse's uniform, you actually should, yes, And

492
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Speaker 6: if I were to wear a police uniform, I would

493
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Speaker 6: kind of assert more authority, like you kind of end

494
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Speaker 6: up cosplaying.

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Speaker 1: To record. We're like, we're just testing out this theory.

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Speaker 4: But with school uniforms, I assumed that there was robust

497
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Speaker 4: evidence that if you're wearing a school uniform you behave better,

498
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Speaker 4: you kind of slot in more naturally with the community,

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Speaker 4: all that stuff. There's actually not that research. It's it's

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Speaker 4: not as black and white. But I reckon the reason

501
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Speaker 4: it has stayed as such a kind of hallmark of

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Speaker 4: Australian culture is because it symbolizes equality and it and

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Speaker 4: it flattens all differences in socioeconomic status. It means that

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Speaker 4: there is no room at a school for fashion. Who's

505
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Speaker 4: got the cool shoes? Who can even like at my

506
00:26:29,994 --> 00:26:33,194
Speaker 4: high school, you couldn't dye your hair, you couldn't paint

507
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Speaker 4: your nails. It's kind of this and at the time

508
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Speaker 4: I was frustrated by it, and I broke many rules

509
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Speaker 4: many times, but I did actually get the ethos that

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Speaker 4: the idea was an environment where.

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Speaker 5: You could keep people as equal as possible, which.

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Speaker 4: Is very I think it's quite Australian mons.

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Speaker 1: What do you think.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's really interesting what you said about

515
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Speaker 2: being a hangover from Britain, Like it does seem very

516
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Speaker 2: kind of colonialist in its approach.

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Speaker 3: But I think, God, it sounded really serious, didn't it.

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Speaker 2: What's interesting about this is that this Linfield College, on paper,

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Speaker 2: it looks like it's doing all the things that kind

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Speaker 2: of we we're asking education to do, pivot be more

521
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Speaker 2: kind of like less rote learning and more real world learning.

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Speaker 2: And interesting that the uniform is kind of this sticking point.

523
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Speaker 2: I think we like you know, I agree with your

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Speaker 2: points clear about why we like them, but I think

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Speaker 2: also a uniform is a great signaler saying this is

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Speaker 2: a real school and we are you know, this isn't

527
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Speaker 2: some crazy experimentation school is one of the places where

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Speaker 2: people where parents don't feel like they have heaps of

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Speaker 2: control over what goes on in a school, whereas uniforms

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Speaker 2: is one way of saying, hang on, this is kind

531
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Speaker 2: of serious. It's like a visible marker of safety. I

532
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Speaker 2: guess for people to say, yes, this is a controlled environment,

533
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Speaker 2: maybe it's that.

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Speaker 3: Maybe that's why we like them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd be interested, because I know I'm starting to

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Speaker 4: do this. If people when they're sort of in their

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Speaker 4: local area and you're kind of making a bit of

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Speaker 4: a decision about where you're going to send your kid

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Speaker 4: to school, if you are observing the low cool school uniforms,

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Speaker 4: well not the uniforms themselves, but the kids who are

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Speaker 4: wearing their uniforms and making a judgment on which kids

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Speaker 4: behave well, which kids look like they'd be in a

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Speaker 4: positive learning environment. I mean, I do that all the

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Speaker 4: time in my local area. I'll see kids in a

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Speaker 4: uniform who are being really naughty, and I'm like, well,

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Speaker 4: we won't be sending Mattilla there.

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Speaker 2: I agree with your point, but to that point, I

548
00:28:33,634 --> 00:28:36,033
Speaker 2: was on public transport recently and I saw children in

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Speaker 2: their school uniform that behaved so well that I did

550
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Speaker 2: the middle aged mom thing, and I emailed the school

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Speaker 2: and I said what a credit these students were to

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Speaker 2: your school. And I remember being in assembly when things

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Speaker 2: like that would happen and thinking, when I'm older, I'm

554
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Speaker 2: going to be the person that dobs on the students

555
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Speaker 2: or sends bouquets to the students.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I remember uniforms.

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Speaker 4: I remember at school they'd say that in assemblies, and

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Speaker 4: I would think, what kind of person has at the time,

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Speaker 4: has the time to send that correspondence?

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Speaker 1: And I love that it's Mon's I really love that.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine being a teenager these days all you're

562
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Speaker 2: getting from the media and from people is just like

563
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Speaker 2: your shit, you're stinky, you're gross, your brain's not developed.

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Speaker 2: I want to show shine a light on the ones

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Speaker 2: that are doing it well.

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Speaker 1: I think that's beautiful.

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Speaker 3: The positive reinforcement teams for.

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Speaker 4: Those who aren't aware. I used to host a podcast

569
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Speaker 4: called Canceled, where I'd prosecute celebrity crimes in a made

570
00:29:36,874 --> 00:29:39,834
Speaker 4: up courtroom, and one of my favorite episodes was about

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Speaker 4: a little known man named Chris Pratt. Now, Chris Pratt

572
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Speaker 4: is a dad and he gets a really bad rap online,

573
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Speaker 4: so I wanted to chat a little bit about his

574
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Speaker 4: alleged crimes and I wanted you guys as the jury

575
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Speaker 4: to weigh in. Now he is in the headlines again

576
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Speaker 4: this week for something new Amelia What happened?

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Speaker 6: Yes, so he is, I would say, the Internet's most

578
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Speaker 6: hated dad. Everything he does, specifically as a dad, people hate.

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Speaker 6: Now this week came some groundbreaking news from People magazine.

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Speaker 6: Katherine Schwarzenegger praises Golden retriever husband Chris Pratt.

581
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Speaker 1: You may ask, why what did he do?

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Speaker 6: He built their daughters a Dolls house in their backyard.

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Speaker 6: Now that sounds really sweet, right, that's great, that's really nice.

584
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Speaker 6: It looks like it's kind of one they can walk

585
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Speaker 6: inside like. It looks equally impressive as the Barbie dreamhouse

586
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Speaker 6: that we talked about. And here's the problem. Everything he

587
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Speaker 6: does is a little bit annoying. Because then Katherine Schwarzenegger,

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Speaker 6: his wife, posted a picture of the Dolls house with

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Speaker 6: him building it, and the caption reads, I'll never understand

590
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Speaker 6: when women say I don't need my husband, when I

591
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Speaker 6: very much, in fact do need my husband, because who

592
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Speaker 6: else would build our daughters a Dolls house? She set

593
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Speaker 6: this to the song man I Need by Olivia Dean.

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Speaker 6: Good song, but like a little cringe in this cond text,

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Speaker 6: and she also wrote another caption on it, when you

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Speaker 6: have a golden retriever husband. So even when he's doing

597
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Speaker 6: something ostensibly good like building his daughter's a doll's house,

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Speaker 6: the internet vomits.

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Speaker 4: It's annoying because not everybody has a husband for so

600
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Speaker 4: many different reasons, Like it's just such a dicky, tone

601
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Speaker 4: deaf thing to say.

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Speaker 2: Also, Catherine Schwartzenegger like pick up a spanner instructions. You're fine,

603
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Speaker 2: you can do this. You don't need anyway, But I digress.

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Speaker 4: You don't need Chris.

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Speaker 6: But this is the only the latest in a series

606
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Speaker 6: of crimes that he has perhaps committed as innocential, proven

607
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Speaker 6: guilty as a dad, right, Claire.

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00:31:51,954 --> 00:31:53,474
Speaker 5: Exactly so.

609
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Speaker 4: And I do think that one of the reasons that

610
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Speaker 4: people are so mad at him is because we liked

611
00:32:00,994 --> 00:32:03,714
Speaker 4: him so much. A little bit of background. He's an

612
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Speaker 4: actor known initially for his roles on television.

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Speaker 1: He was in The.

614
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Speaker 4: Wood, then he was Parks and Recreation andyon Parks Recreation,

615
00:32:11,394 --> 00:32:13,754
Speaker 4: and then he was he was really good in Zero

616
00:32:13,834 --> 00:32:18,194
Speaker 4: Duck thirty and Guardians of the Galaxy and Avengers. So

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Speaker 4: let me give you a quick rundown of his alleged

618
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Speaker 4: crimes that came before this, and I think really set

619
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Speaker 4: the tone for why people feel weird about Chris Pratt. So,

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Speaker 4: he was married to comedy actor Anna Faris from two

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Speaker 4: thousand and nine to twenty eighteen and they share a

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Speaker 4: son named Jack. And they met in two thousand and

623
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Speaker 4: seven when they were working on a film together. And

624
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Speaker 4: at the time, she was a far bigger deal than

625
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Speaker 4: he was because she was in scary movie. I love

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Speaker 4: Anna Faris. I think she is so funny. And over

627
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Speaker 4: the course of their marriage, Pratt celebrity grew and grew,

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Speaker 4: and Anna Faris has talked since about how it's hard

629
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Speaker 4: when two actors are in a relationship because you're competitive

630
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Speaker 4: about who's doing better, and when people read between the

631
00:33:03,674 --> 00:33:07,114
Speaker 4: lines a little bit, they think was he competitive because

632
00:33:07,434 --> 00:33:11,474
Speaker 4: she was slag. Then in October twenty seventeen, they released

633
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Speaker 4: this combined statement saying they were legally separating. It wasn't

634
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Speaker 4: until the following year that their divorce was finalized, and

635
00:33:19,474 --> 00:33:24,714
Speaker 4: three months after that, Pratt began dating Katherine Schwarzenegger. Katherine

636
00:33:24,754 --> 00:33:28,274
Speaker 4: is the daughter of Arnold Swarzenegger and Maria Shriver, who

637
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Speaker 4: is John F. Kennedy's niece, so it's quite a prominent family.

638
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Speaker 4: But the vibe generally seems to be we liked Anna.

639
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Speaker 4: Anna was weird. Anna was funny, and whereas Katherine, she

640
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Speaker 4: writes self help books and she's written a children's book

641
00:33:45,994 --> 00:33:47,154
Speaker 4: about adopting her dog.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we need to explain why the vibe

643
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Speaker 1: was given the caption exactly exactly.

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Speaker 6: He had one child with Anna correct, yes, Jack, and

645
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Speaker 6: has two daughters with Catherine.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 4: So there were also some cheating rumors around Chris Pratt.

648
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Speaker 4: They seem to have been based in nothing. But it

649
00:34:06,354 --> 00:34:09,354
Speaker 4: wasn't even that he was cheating with Katherine Schwarzenegger. The

650
00:34:09,393 --> 00:34:12,314
Speaker 4: idea was that he was cheating with Jennifer Lawrence while

651
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Speaker 4: they were filming Passengers.

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Speaker 5: But it didn't happen.

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Speaker 4: And it's also I just like, didn't have happened?

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Speaker 1: I heard, didn't Jennifer herself?

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Speaker 5: No, genuinely.

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Speaker 4: But I will say I don't think it's a crime

657
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Speaker 4: to get divorced. Are we on the same page there?

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Speaker 6: Do you?

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Speaker 2: There are no crimes so far? Okay, he got separated,

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Speaker 2: he met someone else. She's vastly different from the first lady.

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Speaker 4: Not illegal, not a llegal, good point mons annoying maybe okay,

662
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Speaker 4: this is the bit that might be illegal. In twenty twenty,

663
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Speaker 4: Pratt and Schwarzsnagger had their first baby, daughter Lilah, and

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Speaker 4: in November twenty twenty one, Pratt posted a photo to

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Speaker 4: Instagram of he and his wife with this caption, Guys,

666
00:34:54,874 --> 00:34:57,114
Speaker 4: for real, look how she's looking at me? And that

667
00:34:57,194 --> 00:35:00,473
Speaker 4: was about Catherine. I mean, find you somebody that looks

668
00:35:00,514 --> 00:35:02,874
Speaker 4: at you like that. You know we men in church.

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Speaker 4: She's given me an amazing life, a gorgeous, healthy daughter.

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Speaker 4: She choose so so loudly that sometimes I put in

671
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Speaker 4: my earbuds to drown it out.

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Speaker 5: But that's love.

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Speaker 4: She helps me with everything. In return, periodically I opened

674
00:35:14,834 --> 00:35:17,954
Speaker 4: a jar of pickles. That's the train. Her heart is

675
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Speaker 4: pure and it belongs to me.

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Speaker 5: It goes on.

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Speaker 4: And looking at the comments, the thing that people were

678
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Speaker 4: so angry about and the potential crime here was the

679
00:35:28,074 --> 00:35:32,794
Speaker 4: wording around Catherine giving him a gorgeous, healthy daughter. So

680
00:35:32,834 --> 00:35:38,314
Speaker 4: the comments were, f off your own chromosomes contributed to

681
00:35:38,514 --> 00:35:43,634
Speaker 4: your firstborn complications, You're an asshole, trash post devalues your

682
00:35:43,634 --> 00:35:45,994
Speaker 4: wife's a person, devalues your ex for giving you an

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Speaker 4: unhealthy child, because the post was perceived to be a

684
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Speaker 4: dig at his son, Jack, who he shares with Anna Faris,

685
00:35:54,154 --> 00:35:58,034
Speaker 4: and Jack was born nine weeks early, and his premature

686
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Speaker 4: birth caused.

687
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Speaker 5: A lot of health issues.

688
00:36:00,834 --> 00:36:04,194
Speaker 4: At first, they were worried that they would be really,

689
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Speaker 4: really severe because he had brain bleeding, and they thought

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Speaker 4: that Jack would have a developmental disability. After eighteen months,

691
00:36:12,514 --> 00:36:14,834
Speaker 4: it appeared he didn't have those issues, but he does

692
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Speaker 4: have visual impairments and an ongoing heart problem. So if

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Speaker 4: you ever see photos of him, he is so gorgeous.

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Speaker 4: But if you ever see photos, you can often see

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Speaker 4: that he's wearing special glasses and that kind of thing.

696
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Speaker 4: So the question was was he having a dig by

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Speaker 4: saying healthy baby daughter?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I hate this so much, the word healthy.

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Speaker 6: I hate this, and I hate the Internet for making

701
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Speaker 6: this a crime because first of all, it's none of

702
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Speaker 6: our business about Jack and his health, and the fact

703
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Speaker 6: that we're even having to explain he has maybe a

704
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Speaker 6: visual impairment.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. We don't need to.

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Speaker 6: Know, and maybe just let this speaking of someone who

707
00:37:00,314 --> 00:37:02,913
Speaker 6: has mentioned in this episode had a premature baby, I'm

708
00:37:02,994 --> 00:37:06,434
Speaker 6: very sensitive to the idea that people who have premature

709
00:37:06,474 --> 00:37:10,994
Speaker 6: babies or in any kind of birth complications, somehow wanted

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Speaker 6: that or somehow that was preferable to having a more

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Speaker 6: straightforward delivery.

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Speaker 1: That's not at all.

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Speaker 6: The case, of course, like you love the child, who

714
00:37:20,994 --> 00:37:24,234
Speaker 6: you get and however that child arrives in the world

715
00:37:24,474 --> 00:37:28,034
Speaker 6: is totally up to them. But the idea that I

716
00:37:28,074 --> 00:37:32,634
Speaker 6: wouldn't have preferred to have a more straightforward birth is nonsense.

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00:37:32,794 --> 00:37:34,473
Speaker 6: Of course I would have preferred to have a more

718
00:37:34,514 --> 00:37:40,634
Speaker 6: straightforward berth. Everyone wants to have a quote unquote healthy baby.

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Speaker 6: That's not saying anything about anyone's child's health.

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Speaker 4: I think you're so right, Amelia, that the idea of

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Speaker 4: the idea of using the word healthy can be so

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00:37:56,874 --> 00:38:02,194
Speaker 4: politicized and controversial, and that is what really got people upset.

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Speaker 4: Mon's do you think do you have sensitivity around that?

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Speaker 4: Do you think it was a dig Do you think

725
00:38:08,274 --> 00:38:11,354
Speaker 4: that when Chris Pratt wrote this caption, he was thinking

726
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Speaker 4: I'm going to have a dig at my ex wife

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00:38:14,474 --> 00:38:16,274
Speaker 4: and my eldest child.

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Speaker 6: And more broadly, do you think that we should be

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Speaker 6: avoiding the word healthy around babies?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I don't think, Ah, I don't think it was

731
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Speaker 2: a dig. It might have just been a genuine mistake,

732
00:38:28,834 --> 00:38:30,834
Speaker 2: but the Internet does not forgive mistakes.

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Speaker 3: There is no nuance anymore.

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Speaker 2: And I think it's unfortunately included that word because it

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Speaker 2: is just that one word that feels problematic. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: Amelia is it's a loaded word to describe a baby now,

737
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Speaker 2: and I think it's not the most sensitive word to

738
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Speaker 2: use given his past. I also wonder if Katherine Schwarzenegger

739
00:38:53,434 --> 00:38:55,674
Speaker 2: is kind of pring him, you know, like there is

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Speaker 2: something like there's a stink around Chris Pratt. There's this

741
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Speaker 2: I learned this week that there's a Hollywood Chris ranking

742
00:39:02,194 --> 00:39:06,594
Speaker 2: where people rank Chris Pine, Chris Hemsworth, Chris Pratten. Chris

743
00:39:06,634 --> 00:39:10,074
Speaker 2: Pratt always is bottom no matter what. And I just

744
00:39:10,154 --> 00:39:13,553
Speaker 2: wonder if she's kind of trying to renovate his via

745
00:39:13,634 --> 00:39:17,194
Speaker 2: the Dolls house via look at this great husband.

746
00:39:17,234 --> 00:39:18,994
Speaker 3: She's trying to bandit her husband.

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Speaker 4: And I think it's a mix because I reckon that caption.

748
00:39:24,634 --> 00:39:27,794
Speaker 4: I almost reckon if the caption itself hadn't been so annoying,

749
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Speaker 4: people might not have jumped on the healthy baby thing.

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Speaker 4: But it is a little bit annoying and gushy, and

751
00:39:36,914 --> 00:39:40,594
Speaker 4: it's just annoying and I think our vibes around Chris

752
00:39:40,594 --> 00:39:43,873
Speaker 4: Pratt are that he's religious, which we know he is,

753
00:39:43,874 --> 00:39:48,074
Speaker 4: that he's Christian, although he has not explicitly said anything

754
00:39:48,274 --> 00:39:51,514
Speaker 4: super conservative or anything that would offend anyone. It's just

755
00:39:51,554 --> 00:39:54,514
Speaker 4: that he's Christian, which I've checked also not a crime,

756
00:39:54,954 --> 00:39:58,554
Speaker 4: and that he's like giving Republican, but again he hasn't

757
00:39:58,554 --> 00:39:59,794
Speaker 4: even said that he's a Republican.

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Speaker 6: Maybe we just said to be like, I'm so glad

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Speaker 6: the daughters have a Dolls house or a cubby house,

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Speaker 6: as you've pointed out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, having a closer look while we've been chatting, I

762
00:40:10,954 --> 00:40:13,794
Speaker 4: have my real crime here is that's not adult out.

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Speaker 5: So that's a cubby house. It's huge.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: Every week we like to bring you the best of

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Speaker 2: the Internet, the best of the shops, things that we're reading, watching,

767
00:40:24,674 --> 00:40:29,314
Speaker 2: looking at, listening to. With our recommendation segment, Claire, I

768
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Speaker 2: have you got from the world of Pragante Pregante?

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Speaker 4: Well, I have the most practical recommendation ever that's going

770
00:40:37,354 --> 00:40:39,674
Speaker 4: to be born to anyone who's not in this phase

771
00:40:39,714 --> 00:40:43,074
Speaker 4: and life changing to anyone who is a promise. It's

772
00:40:43,074 --> 00:40:45,994
Speaker 4: called the Houdini strap, and you get from big w

773
00:40:46,314 --> 00:40:49,394
Speaker 4: and what it is when you have your frickin' child

774
00:40:49,834 --> 00:40:53,754
Speaker 4: in a car seat and they learn to Houdini. They

775
00:40:53,834 --> 00:40:56,393
Speaker 4: learn like I have what is meant to be the

776
00:40:56,474 --> 00:40:58,913
Speaker 4: safest car seat on the market, and I look at

777
00:40:58,954 --> 00:41:01,674
Speaker 4: it and I'm like, not when she's not got straps on,

778
00:41:01,754 --> 00:41:04,234
Speaker 4: it's not freakin' safe. And I yell at her and

779
00:41:04,274 --> 00:41:07,514
Speaker 4: I bribe her about like mummy will t the car

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00:41:07,554 --> 00:41:09,354
Speaker 4: around if you don't put your straps back on all

781
00:41:09,394 --> 00:41:11,393
Speaker 4: of that stuff, and she just laughs at me. No,

782
00:41:11,594 --> 00:41:13,354
Speaker 4: there is this thing you can buy that is a

783
00:41:13,434 --> 00:41:17,034
Speaker 4: chest strap and it clips to the car straps and

784
00:41:17,074 --> 00:41:20,274
Speaker 4: holds them closer together so that your child cannot wriggle out.

785
00:41:20,954 --> 00:41:23,714
Speaker 4: And it has changed my life. My friend lies shout

786
00:41:23,754 --> 00:41:25,354
Speaker 4: out to lives front of the pod. She told me

787
00:41:25,354 --> 00:41:28,114
Speaker 4: about it, And you can also use it in high

788
00:41:28,234 --> 00:41:33,634
Speaker 4: chairs and prams and so you will be protecting your

789
00:41:33,794 --> 00:41:35,434
Speaker 4: stupid little child from Houdini.

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00:41:35,914 --> 00:41:37,994
Speaker 6: I love that you've reminded me of the threat of

791
00:41:38,034 --> 00:41:41,794
Speaker 6: turning the car around. I feel like every every nineties

792
00:41:41,914 --> 00:41:45,674
Speaker 6: baby has a story of their dad literally turning the

793
00:41:45,714 --> 00:41:48,634
Speaker 6: car around, and it became like family law.

794
00:41:48,754 --> 00:41:50,993
Speaker 4: I've been tempted, but usually it's like, damn it, I'm

795
00:41:50,994 --> 00:41:52,354
Speaker 4: going somewhere I want to go.

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00:41:54,594 --> 00:41:59,354
Speaker 6: You come last. I have something called brain Quest smart cards.

797
00:41:59,514 --> 00:42:03,634
Speaker 6: These are these little sort of like card decks. They

798
00:42:03,634 --> 00:42:05,954
Speaker 6: come in packs of two in a little box, and

799
00:42:05,994 --> 00:42:07,834
Speaker 6: you can get them for each of your school as

800
00:42:07,874 --> 00:42:10,354
Speaker 6: well as age two and preschool. And they're basically like

801
00:42:10,434 --> 00:42:16,754
Speaker 6: multiple choice quiz questions. And I love doing the big

802
00:42:16,834 --> 00:42:19,234
Speaker 6: quiz in the newspaper on the weekend. And this is

803
00:42:19,274 --> 00:42:21,593
Speaker 6: a way of involving the kids because they don't seem

804
00:42:21,634 --> 00:42:23,914
Speaker 6: to know many of the answers, and I'm like, come on, kids,

805
00:42:23,954 --> 00:42:26,714
Speaker 6: how are you not helping me get trivia? But they

806
00:42:26,794 --> 00:42:29,994
Speaker 6: know the answers to these. They're on Amazon. They're about

807
00:42:30,034 --> 00:42:32,634
Speaker 6: twenty five dollars. I'm sorry to recommend something on Amazon,

808
00:42:32,634 --> 00:42:35,274
Speaker 6: but they're actually Americans, so a little bit hard to

809
00:42:35,354 --> 00:42:39,754
Speaker 6: get in regular brick and mortar shops. Another reason I

810
00:42:39,794 --> 00:42:41,994
Speaker 6: love them is you can take them to a cafe

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00:42:42,234 --> 00:42:44,914
Speaker 6: on the bus. It's a way to keep kids engaged

812
00:42:44,994 --> 00:42:46,714
Speaker 6: without running down your phone battery.

813
00:42:46,794 --> 00:42:48,114
Speaker 5: That's really wholesome.

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00:42:48,434 --> 00:42:49,114
Speaker 3: That is great.

815
00:42:49,194 --> 00:42:51,553
Speaker 2: I love I also have a wholesome recommendation, but mine

816
00:42:51,634 --> 00:42:55,154
Speaker 2: is Australian and mine is free and so for anyone

817
00:42:55,274 --> 00:42:58,594
Speaker 2: connection with nature this weekend. If you're out camping, what

818
00:42:58,634 --> 00:43:01,994
Speaker 2: are you doing. I have a recommendation for a podcast.

819
00:43:02,434 --> 00:43:05,953
Speaker 2: It's called Noisy by Nature and you find it on

820
00:43:05,994 --> 00:43:07,354
Speaker 2: the ABC Kids Listener app.

821
00:43:08,034 --> 00:43:11,354
Speaker 3: It is it is so wholesome and pure.

822
00:43:11,634 --> 00:43:14,114
Speaker 2: The host her name is Anne Jones, and she's like

823
00:43:14,394 --> 00:43:18,554
Speaker 2: the David Attenborough of Australia, but she's sort of David

824
00:43:18,594 --> 00:43:21,274
Speaker 2: Attenborough crossed with the Wiggles, so she's like this.

825
00:43:21,954 --> 00:43:25,593
Speaker 7: You Hey, I'm Ann. Do you know what I love?

826
00:43:26,114 --> 00:43:28,194
Speaker 3: I love a boo book ol And.

827
00:43:28,114 --> 00:43:33,194
Speaker 2: It's just like our noises, fog noises, you're learning things.

828
00:43:33,554 --> 00:43:37,433
Speaker 3: It's nature. It is just so I love it.

829
00:43:37,234 --> 00:43:39,554
Speaker 2: It's such such a great nighttime thing to listen to

830
00:43:39,634 --> 00:43:42,314
Speaker 2: as the kids going to sleep. Noisy by Nature just

831
00:43:42,394 --> 00:43:45,874
Speaker 2: like Undiscovered Gem I reckon on the ABC Listen app.

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00:43:46,034 --> 00:43:47,434
Speaker 1: Oh that's all right, so cute.

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00:43:48,274 --> 00:43:51,554
Speaker 3: So thank you. That's all we have time for this week.

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Speaker 3: A big, big.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to our team Junior content producer Tessa Kotovich, Exec

836
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Speaker 2: producer Sashtanic, audio producer Jacob Brown and content manager of

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Speaker 2: Podcasts is to Listen, Azaz Chocolate Eggs to you all.

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Speaker 2: Have a great week. We'll be back in this feed

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Speaker 2: next Saturday morning. Bye mm hmm