1 00:00:08,234 --> 00:00:19,474 Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast from Mama Maya. 2 00:00:19,714 --> 00:00:22,634 Speaker 2: Welcome to The Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm 3 00:00:22,714 --> 00:00:26,233 Speaker 2: Cassana Lukic and I'm Anitiaswarren. It's twenty twenty six and 4 00:00:26,234 --> 00:00:29,434 Speaker 2: we're very excited to be back, but unfortunately Laura is six, 5 00:00:29,474 --> 00:00:33,074 Speaker 2: so we've brought on our wonderful producer Maniesha to fill 6 00:00:33,074 --> 00:00:34,634 Speaker 2: in while she's recovering. 7 00:00:34,914 --> 00:00:37,634 Speaker 3: Yes, and we're bringing you back to regular programming with 8 00:00:37,674 --> 00:00:40,234 Speaker 3: The Spill today because you know, the celebrities don't sleep 9 00:00:40,233 --> 00:00:42,114 Speaker 3: while we're on holidays, and they've been up to a 10 00:00:42,153 --> 00:00:43,793 Speaker 3: lot of stuff, so we've got to get back to 11 00:00:43,873 --> 00:00:46,153 Speaker 3: regular programming and keep you guys up to date with 12 00:00:46,193 --> 00:00:47,274 Speaker 3: all the pop culture news. 13 00:00:47,354 --> 00:00:49,873 Speaker 2: Today on the show, we're going to be diving into 14 00:00:50,114 --> 00:00:52,793 Speaker 2: the finale of Stranger Things. It of course aired on 15 00:00:53,034 --> 00:00:57,434 Speaker 2: Newsday and people have a lot to say about it, so. 16 00:00:57,434 --> 00:00:59,514 Speaker 1: We're going to go into the good and the bad. 17 00:00:59,874 --> 00:01:02,673 Speaker 2: We're also going to be diving into a budding romance 18 00:01:02,754 --> 00:01:07,114 Speaker 2: between a very very famous athlete and a big TikTok. 19 00:01:07,874 --> 00:01:10,994 Speaker 3: But first, so first, we thought we'd catch you up 20 00:01:11,034 --> 00:01:13,394 Speaker 3: on what the celebs have been doing because obviously over 21 00:01:13,394 --> 00:01:15,554 Speaker 3: the break, we were still bringing you fresh content. Ash 22 00:01:15,674 --> 00:01:18,234 Speaker 3: London was there with Morning Tea, the celeb headlines, but 23 00:01:18,314 --> 00:01:20,434 Speaker 3: there could be a few big things that you missed 24 00:01:20,434 --> 00:01:22,594 Speaker 3: if you were, you know, on a beach, enjoying your. 25 00:01:22,474 --> 00:01:24,874 Speaker 1: Break, or being harassed by children. 26 00:01:24,554 --> 00:01:27,834 Speaker 3: Whatever was keeping you away from the celebrity goss. So 27 00:01:28,234 --> 00:01:30,594 Speaker 3: we thought we'd run you through three of the big 28 00:01:30,634 --> 00:01:33,314 Speaker 3: things that everyone's really talking about going into the new Year. 29 00:01:33,434 --> 00:01:35,474 Speaker 1: I think it's probably best to start with Taylor Swift. 30 00:01:35,794 --> 00:01:38,114 Speaker 3: We have to start with Tailor Swift because my entire 31 00:01:38,194 --> 00:01:41,313 Speaker 3: feed over the break was about the Tailor Swift docu series. 32 00:01:41,354 --> 00:01:43,754 Speaker 3: I've watched it all through twice. I'm a big Swifty 33 00:01:43,914 --> 00:01:46,634 Speaker 3: and I absolutely loved it. And so many of the 34 00:01:46,674 --> 00:01:48,434 Speaker 3: little tipbits that have come out from it and that 35 00:01:48,474 --> 00:01:50,834 Speaker 3: have blown up on the internet were really what was 36 00:01:50,954 --> 00:01:53,434 Speaker 3: all through my feed on Christmas and New Year? Have 37 00:01:53,554 --> 00:01:54,634 Speaker 3: you seen it? What were your thought? 38 00:01:54,674 --> 00:01:55,434 Speaker 1: I absolutely loved it. 39 00:01:55,434 --> 00:01:57,394 Speaker 2: Now I'm not a Tailored super fan like you, but 40 00:01:57,474 --> 00:01:59,474 Speaker 2: I do like Taylor Swift a lot, and I actually 41 00:01:59,514 --> 00:02:01,314 Speaker 2: liked it even more after this. 42 00:02:01,514 --> 00:02:02,954 Speaker 1: Again my feed was full of it. 43 00:02:03,234 --> 00:02:05,274 Speaker 2: I thought it was really well shot, it was really 44 00:02:05,274 --> 00:02:07,994 Speaker 2: interesting to see some of those like behind the scenes things, 45 00:02:08,434 --> 00:02:11,874 Speaker 2: and we definitely didn't see as much of Travis kelcey 46 00:02:12,194 --> 00:02:14,154 Speaker 2: as I thought we were going to say, Like, it 47 00:02:14,274 --> 00:02:16,834 Speaker 2: was very like he was in it, but not like 48 00:02:17,474 --> 00:02:19,034 Speaker 2: it wasn't really about him. 49 00:02:19,314 --> 00:02:21,194 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was very much to focus on her ending 50 00:02:21,194 --> 00:02:23,514 Speaker 3: this chapter in her life. We did do a brittally 51 00:02:23,554 --> 00:02:25,834 Speaker 3: honest review of the first two episodes that had come 52 00:02:25,834 --> 00:02:27,874 Speaker 3: out before we went away on the break, and then 53 00:02:27,914 --> 00:02:29,514 Speaker 3: the rest of the other four have come out, so 54 00:02:29,554 --> 00:02:31,474 Speaker 3: we'll do a full proper wrap up of that with 55 00:02:31,554 --> 00:02:34,434 Speaker 3: our Swifty experts with Laura when they're back. But one 56 00:02:34,434 --> 00:02:36,474 Speaker 3: of the things, I mean, you mentioned Travis kelce there. 57 00:02:36,674 --> 00:02:38,594 Speaker 3: For me, I think one of the biggest takeaways was 58 00:02:38,634 --> 00:02:41,234 Speaker 3: that it changed my mind about Travis kelce a little bit. 59 00:02:41,594 --> 00:02:43,674 Speaker 3: I was never one of those Swifties who was fully 60 00:02:43,714 --> 00:02:45,674 Speaker 3: on board with the Travis of it all. I hope 61 00:02:45,754 --> 00:02:47,834 Speaker 3: we don't get any hate for saying that, but I 62 00:02:47,914 --> 00:02:50,474 Speaker 3: always kind of wondered, whether, you know, with him being 63 00:02:50,514 --> 00:02:52,234 Speaker 3: this big athlete and they just seem to come from 64 00:02:52,314 --> 00:02:54,874 Speaker 3: such different worlds. But the little bits that we did 65 00:02:54,914 --> 00:02:57,234 Speaker 3: see of him together in this series and the way 66 00:02:57,274 --> 00:02:59,954 Speaker 3: her mum talked about him, and how good he's been 67 00:02:59,994 --> 00:03:02,194 Speaker 3: for her and basically him joining the family and all 68 00:03:02,194 --> 00:03:04,154 Speaker 3: of that. It really got me on board. I'm on 69 00:03:04,194 --> 00:03:05,434 Speaker 3: board with Travis now. I love it. 70 00:03:05,434 --> 00:03:07,474 Speaker 2: It was actually so cute seeing like how her mum 71 00:03:07,514 --> 00:03:10,354 Speaker 2: almost like set them up, Like it was like she 72 00:03:10,834 --> 00:03:13,194 Speaker 2: introduced Travis's content to Taylor. 73 00:03:13,234 --> 00:03:14,073 Speaker 1: It's very cute. 74 00:03:14,194 --> 00:03:16,233 Speaker 3: Yeah, She's like, this guy's really into you. I've checked 75 00:03:16,274 --> 00:03:18,354 Speaker 3: in with my cousin who's all about you know, the 76 00:03:18,394 --> 00:03:20,834 Speaker 3: sporting scene, and he seems like a great guy. And 77 00:03:21,154 --> 00:03:23,314 Speaker 3: seeing them together, I mean, there was this really lovely 78 00:03:23,354 --> 00:03:25,954 Speaker 3: part where he says something to Taylor like thanks for 79 00:03:25,994 --> 00:03:28,314 Speaker 3: making my life better. They're on the phone and she goes, 80 00:03:28,354 --> 00:03:30,514 Speaker 3: I know some people get a vitamin drip. I got 81 00:03:30,514 --> 00:03:32,434 Speaker 3: this conversation and I'm like, what a cu I mean, 82 00:03:32,434 --> 00:03:34,154 Speaker 3: I know that they're putting it onto the cameras as well, 83 00:03:34,154 --> 00:03:36,234 Speaker 3: but they just seem to have a really beautiful relationship 84 00:03:36,434 --> 00:03:37,994 Speaker 3: and I've come around to it. So it was a 85 00:03:38,034 --> 00:03:38,994 Speaker 3: real turning point for me. 86 00:03:39,194 --> 00:03:41,594 Speaker 2: And the next one that we've got now, this is 87 00:03:41,634 --> 00:03:45,554 Speaker 2: a bit of family drama, the big family drama around Christmas. 88 00:03:45,594 --> 00:03:46,274 Speaker 1: What happened? 89 00:03:46,434 --> 00:03:48,194 Speaker 3: I know, it's the family drama. We spoke about for 90 00:03:48,234 --> 00:03:50,874 Speaker 3: all of twenty twenty five. That reached a new little 91 00:03:50,914 --> 00:03:54,874 Speaker 3: peak over the Christmas break. So Cruz Beckham has spoken 92 00:03:54,914 --> 00:03:58,274 Speaker 3: out basically addressing the claims that David and Victoria Beckham 93 00:03:58,274 --> 00:04:02,234 Speaker 3: had unfollowed Brooklyn on Instagram. So on the twenty first 94 00:04:02,274 --> 00:04:05,554 Speaker 3: of December, Cruz put this screen shot up on his 95 00:04:05,674 --> 00:04:08,474 Speaker 3: Instagram Stories and it was a screenshot of a Daily 96 00:04:08,514 --> 00:04:12,234 Speaker 3: Mail article basically saying that his parents are no longer 97 00:04:12,234 --> 00:04:15,914 Speaker 3: following Brooklyn, and he says that's not what happened. His 98 00:04:16,034 --> 00:04:19,393 Speaker 3: parents and himself were blocked from Brooklyn's account, So this 99 00:04:19,514 --> 00:04:22,074 Speaker 3: wasn't a choice, He's saying. On their side of things. 100 00:04:21,834 --> 00:04:25,753 Speaker 2: I've never really understood the whole thing with blocking, because 101 00:04:26,234 --> 00:04:28,313 Speaker 2: if you really wanted to see someone's content, you could 102 00:04:28,354 --> 00:04:30,914 Speaker 2: just go through another avenue. Like, I don't really get 103 00:04:30,914 --> 00:04:33,193 Speaker 2: the blocking thing. It seems like more of a public 104 00:04:34,073 --> 00:04:38,234 Speaker 2: statement is rather than blocking his family from seeing his 105 00:04:39,193 --> 00:04:42,354 Speaker 2: social posts, It's almost like I'm showing you that I'm done, 106 00:04:42,393 --> 00:04:43,793 Speaker 2: and I'm going to show the rest of the world 107 00:04:43,794 --> 00:04:44,513 Speaker 2: that I'm done. 108 00:04:44,714 --> 00:04:46,274 Speaker 1: He knows that the media are going to pick up 109 00:04:46,274 --> 00:04:46,594 Speaker 1: on this. 110 00:04:46,794 --> 00:04:48,354 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if you really didn't want your parents 111 00:04:48,393 --> 00:04:49,993 Speaker 3: to see your content. You just do the sneaky You 112 00:04:50,073 --> 00:04:51,953 Speaker 3: hide your story like he wants them to know that 113 00:04:51,993 --> 00:04:54,074 Speaker 3: he doesn't want them to see assuming all this is true. 114 00:04:54,073 --> 00:04:56,914 Speaker 3: Obviously this is all alleged, so beyond it just being 115 00:04:56,953 --> 00:04:58,873 Speaker 3: a statement, do you think there's a chance that it 116 00:04:58,953 --> 00:05:00,834 Speaker 3: could also be that he doesn't want them to be 117 00:05:00,914 --> 00:05:03,513 Speaker 3: able to tag them in things like Victoria wouldn't be 118 00:05:03,513 --> 00:05:05,553 Speaker 3: able to put up a little story and be like 119 00:05:05,873 --> 00:05:08,433 Speaker 3: love to all my kids and Brooklyn Beckham along with 120 00:05:08,474 --> 00:05:09,633 Speaker 3: the rest back here. 121 00:05:09,794 --> 00:05:12,274 Speaker 2: That's right, So I think with Instagram particularly, I think 122 00:05:12,274 --> 00:05:14,794 Speaker 2: it's the same on TikTok. You can't tag people when 123 00:05:14,834 --> 00:05:17,713 Speaker 2: they've blocked you because if you try, it doesn't autocomplete. 124 00:05:17,714 --> 00:05:20,753 Speaker 2: Even if you put the whole handle in there, it 125 00:05:21,474 --> 00:05:24,194 Speaker 2: will just delete it, So you can't tag people. 126 00:05:24,674 --> 00:05:26,914 Speaker 3: Yeah, so potentially that is one of his reasons. But 127 00:05:27,034 --> 00:05:29,714 Speaker 3: Cruz basically said when he clarified it, my mum and 128 00:05:29,794 --> 00:05:32,753 Speaker 3: dad would never unfollow their son. Let's get the facts right. 129 00:05:32,993 --> 00:05:35,754 Speaker 3: They woke up blocked, as did I. And then this 130 00:05:35,834 --> 00:05:39,153 Speaker 3: other source provided some details to The Sun newspaper in 131 00:05:39,193 --> 00:05:43,274 Speaker 3: the UK, saying David and Victoria are understandably heartbroken by 132 00:05:43,274 --> 00:05:45,553 Speaker 3: what's gone on here. This came out of the blue 133 00:05:45,594 --> 00:05:47,394 Speaker 3: for them, and in the lead up to Christmas, when 134 00:05:47,433 --> 00:05:50,914 Speaker 3: families are supposed to come together, it's devastating. All they 135 00:05:50,914 --> 00:05:52,914 Speaker 3: want is for things to be fixed, but with every 136 00:05:52,953 --> 00:05:55,113 Speaker 3: week they just seem to be getting worse. And it's 137 00:05:55,154 --> 00:05:58,274 Speaker 3: also worth noting that Brooklyn wasn't in David's wrap up 138 00:05:58,313 --> 00:06:00,833 Speaker 3: post We'll do our little New Year's Eve wrap up post. 139 00:06:01,193 --> 00:06:03,354 Speaker 3: David put his up his end of year post and 140 00:06:03,393 --> 00:06:06,433 Speaker 3: he gushed about how it's been an unforgettable year and 141 00:06:06,474 --> 00:06:09,873 Speaker 3: he's so great to his incredible wife and my amazing children. 142 00:06:10,274 --> 00:06:12,914 Speaker 3: But yeah, in the post, Brooklyn wasn't seen in any 143 00:06:12,914 --> 00:06:14,833 Speaker 3: of the photos that he put up and wasn't mentioned 144 00:06:14,873 --> 00:06:18,273 Speaker 3: when he talked about the children. So yeah, very noticeable absence. 145 00:06:18,274 --> 00:06:20,193 Speaker 3: It is really sad around Christmas time as well. 146 00:06:20,193 --> 00:06:22,753 Speaker 2: It makes me so sad, mainly because I think it's 147 00:06:22,794 --> 00:06:26,793 Speaker 2: now at the point where the Beckhams need to say something. 148 00:06:27,113 --> 00:06:29,394 Speaker 2: It's now something that they need to address, because up 149 00:06:29,474 --> 00:06:33,234 Speaker 2: until this point it's been a lot of just ignoring it. 150 00:06:33,313 --> 00:06:36,354 Speaker 2: And the fact that David is saying, oh, it's been 151 00:06:36,354 --> 00:06:38,914 Speaker 2: a really amazing year, that kind of makes me sad 152 00:06:38,953 --> 00:06:42,273 Speaker 2: because clearly it hasn't. If you're estranged from your child, 153 00:06:43,313 --> 00:06:47,034 Speaker 2: whatever the circumstances, that's got to be really challenging on 154 00:06:47,154 --> 00:06:50,193 Speaker 2: you and your wife and your kids and your extended family. 155 00:06:50,714 --> 00:06:53,074 Speaker 2: And I feel like it's now gotten to the point, 156 00:06:53,834 --> 00:06:55,993 Speaker 2: not because we deserve to know. Obviously we don't like 157 00:06:56,034 --> 00:06:58,354 Speaker 2: it's their private life. They can keep things private, but 158 00:06:58,433 --> 00:07:01,234 Speaker 2: I do think there is a point now that you 159 00:07:01,274 --> 00:07:04,633 Speaker 2: can't ignore it anymore. It's just way too out in 160 00:07:04,674 --> 00:07:05,113 Speaker 2: the open. 161 00:07:05,354 --> 00:07:07,993 Speaker 3: And also the way he said in his message on 162 00:07:08,034 --> 00:07:10,754 Speaker 3: the post, I love you and our kids to Victoria, 163 00:07:10,874 --> 00:07:13,033 Speaker 3: I was like, he's sending a little message that he 164 00:07:13,114 --> 00:07:15,393 Speaker 3: loves them all, even though Brooklyn's not involved in this 165 00:07:15,474 --> 00:07:18,514 Speaker 3: photo dump. So it is sad to see. And obviously 166 00:07:18,554 --> 00:07:21,754 Speaker 3: we've talked about this a lot. Last year, Brooklyn wasn't 167 00:07:21,794 --> 00:07:25,153 Speaker 3: his dad's fiftieth, they weren't at his vow renewal, and 168 00:07:25,194 --> 00:07:28,114 Speaker 3: the whole family actually hasn't been pictured together since Boxing 169 00:07:28,194 --> 00:07:30,234 Speaker 3: Day twenty twenty four, so a long time ago. 170 00:07:30,274 --> 00:07:31,274 Speaker 1: Now you're like over a year. 171 00:07:31,874 --> 00:07:34,234 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, what about something more fun? What's the other 172 00:07:34,274 --> 00:07:34,994 Speaker 2: big story? 173 00:07:35,194 --> 00:07:38,154 Speaker 3: Well, something more fun that just happened is that Kylie, 174 00:07:38,354 --> 00:07:41,953 Speaker 3: Jenna and Timothy shallow may have finally gone Instagram official 175 00:07:41,994 --> 00:07:44,274 Speaker 3: after three years of dating, which is in sand I 176 00:07:44,314 --> 00:07:45,833 Speaker 3: would not be waiting three years for a man to 177 00:07:45,834 --> 00:07:46,713 Speaker 3: put me on Instagram. 178 00:07:46,874 --> 00:07:50,154 Speaker 1: But these guys are different. Everybody knew they were together. 179 00:07:50,154 --> 00:07:53,593 Speaker 2: They're couples stressing, they're falling in love, they're holding hands. 180 00:07:53,994 --> 00:07:57,194 Speaker 2: We will cover the Critics' Choice awards tomorrow on the show, 181 00:07:57,434 --> 00:08:01,434 Speaker 2: but I really have to mention Megan Statler dressing up 182 00:08:01,514 --> 00:08:05,194 Speaker 2: as Kylie and Timothy on the Red carpet because that 183 00:08:05,234 --> 00:08:07,473 Speaker 2: was just iconic Halloween moment. 184 00:08:07,674 --> 00:08:09,794 Speaker 1: But yes, Kylie and Timothy was the best. 185 00:08:09,953 --> 00:08:11,434 Speaker 3: I know. It was crazy to see. They did a 186 00:08:11,434 --> 00:08:14,354 Speaker 3: really good job at replicating that. But yeah, over the weekend, 187 00:08:14,514 --> 00:08:18,314 Speaker 3: Kylie put up pictures from Palm Springs International Film Festival Awards, 188 00:08:18,354 --> 00:08:21,754 Speaker 3: where Timothy received the Spotlight Actor of the Year Award 189 00:08:21,794 --> 00:08:24,674 Speaker 3: for his role in Marty Supreme. And you know, they've 190 00:08:24,674 --> 00:08:26,593 Speaker 3: been sort of rested to discuss each other in a 191 00:08:26,634 --> 00:08:30,273 Speaker 3: public way. I mean recently, even in November, Timothy said 192 00:08:30,314 --> 00:08:31,954 Speaker 3: to Vogue when they asked him about it, that he 193 00:08:32,234 --> 00:08:34,194 Speaker 3: just doesn't have anything to say about it, or something 194 00:08:34,234 --> 00:08:36,554 Speaker 3: to that effect, like they've obviously been trying. They do 195 00:08:36,674 --> 00:08:38,914 Speaker 3: appearances together, and we all know they're together, but they 196 00:08:38,914 --> 00:08:42,034 Speaker 3: don't go out talking and posting each other, like talking 197 00:08:42,074 --> 00:08:44,114 Speaker 3: about each other and posting each other heaps or anything 198 00:08:44,194 --> 00:08:46,554 Speaker 3: like that. So Kylie put up all these photos, and 199 00:08:46,594 --> 00:08:48,714 Speaker 3: when we say their Instagram official, it's not that he 200 00:08:48,834 --> 00:08:51,154 Speaker 3: was in one of the photos, it's that he has 201 00:08:51,154 --> 00:08:54,194 Speaker 3: publicly commented on her Instagram post. So she did a 202 00:08:54,234 --> 00:08:57,554 Speaker 3: string of four orange chart and then he commented I 203 00:08:57,554 --> 00:09:00,074 Speaker 3: believe it was thirteen orange charts in oh. 204 00:09:00,194 --> 00:09:02,514 Speaker 1: Okay, So is that the gen Z version of where Together? 205 00:09:02,994 --> 00:09:04,474 Speaker 3: I can't speak for all gen Z. I mean, I'm 206 00:09:04,514 --> 00:09:06,834 Speaker 3: barely just on the cusp of gen Z myself. I mean, 207 00:09:07,114 --> 00:09:09,034 Speaker 3: it's a very soft word together. But I think it's 208 00:09:09,074 --> 00:09:12,074 Speaker 3: the public acknowledgment on social media that fans were waiting for. 209 00:09:12,194 --> 00:09:16,274 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I irrationally don't like Timothy. 210 00:09:16,314 --> 00:09:18,394 Speaker 1: I can't tell you why. I just don't really like 211 00:09:18,474 --> 00:09:19,994 Speaker 1: him very much. And I know that that's. 212 00:09:19,914 --> 00:09:23,074 Speaker 2: Very controversial because I know people absolutely adore him. I 213 00:09:23,114 --> 00:09:25,674 Speaker 2: respect him as an actor, but there is just something 214 00:09:25,714 --> 00:09:26,474 Speaker 2: about him. 215 00:09:26,314 --> 00:09:29,394 Speaker 3: That irks me interesting, which obviously. 216 00:09:28,994 --> 00:09:32,474 Speaker 1: He will not care about. But that's just my reaction. 217 00:09:33,354 --> 00:09:35,354 Speaker 3: How do you feel about his thirteen orange hearts. 218 00:09:35,634 --> 00:09:38,074 Speaker 1: I am indifferent about his thirteen orange heart. 219 00:09:37,994 --> 00:09:41,754 Speaker 3: Okay, well, the fans were not indifferents they were spiraling. 220 00:09:41,874 --> 00:09:42,394 Speaker 1: They weren't. 221 00:09:42,674 --> 00:09:45,234 Speaker 3: I saw, you know, people writing things like we've entered 222 00:09:45,234 --> 00:09:48,874 Speaker 3: a new era about down time. Someone wrote this is crumbs, 223 00:09:48,954 --> 00:09:50,594 Speaker 3: but I'm here for it, and I was like, I 224 00:09:50,634 --> 00:09:52,034 Speaker 3: do like that comment because I'm like, this is the 225 00:09:52,034 --> 00:09:54,194 Speaker 3: smallest thing, but we're all spiraling over it because it's like, 226 00:09:54,194 --> 00:09:56,354 Speaker 3: oh my god, they're official. It's not even a photo together. 227 00:09:56,634 --> 00:09:59,114 Speaker 1: I thoroughly enjoy the spectacle. It's good fun. 228 00:09:59,194 --> 00:10:01,194 Speaker 3: Well, I actually wonder if it'll amp up a little 229 00:10:01,234 --> 00:10:03,554 Speaker 3: bit post Oscars, like when all the Oscars awards are done, 230 00:10:03,554 --> 00:10:05,394 Speaker 3: whether there'll be a little bit more of them together 231 00:10:05,434 --> 00:10:06,194 Speaker 3: on social media. 232 00:10:06,434 --> 00:10:06,794 Speaker 1: I don't know. 233 00:10:06,834 --> 00:10:09,914 Speaker 2: I have I've seen people theorize that if he wants 234 00:10:09,954 --> 00:10:12,914 Speaker 2: to win an Oscar, he should quieten down the relationship 235 00:10:12,994 --> 00:10:13,594 Speaker 2: with Kylie. 236 00:10:13,754 --> 00:10:15,674 Speaker 3: Yes, we have talked about that, and we have talked 237 00:10:15,714 --> 00:10:16,114 Speaker 3: about that. 238 00:10:16,194 --> 00:10:19,194 Speaker 2: So it's like, what's he going to do between now 239 00:10:19,234 --> 00:10:22,874 Speaker 2: and Oscars, because we know he wants that Oscar, and 240 00:10:23,074 --> 00:10:26,394 Speaker 2: you know, we suggested that he probably will win one eventually, 241 00:10:26,434 --> 00:10:27,674 Speaker 2: But is it going to be this year. 242 00:10:28,074 --> 00:10:30,674 Speaker 1: Anyway, that is our wrap up for the three biggest stories. 243 00:10:30,834 --> 00:10:31,554 Speaker 3: You're all caught up. 244 00:10:33,194 --> 00:10:35,914 Speaker 2: So very excitingly, we get to start twenty twenty six 245 00:10:35,954 --> 00:10:40,234 Speaker 2: with a brand new celebrity relationship kind of. So on 246 00:10:40,394 --> 00:10:45,474 Speaker 2: New Year's Eve, Tom Brady, the former nfolstar and Alex Earl, 247 00:10:45,554 --> 00:10:46,874 Speaker 2: the big TikToker were. 248 00:10:46,794 --> 00:10:49,594 Speaker 1: Seen ca noodling noodling on a. 249 00:10:49,594 --> 00:10:53,274 Speaker 2: Yacht in Saint Bart's and the Internet's very excited about it, 250 00:10:53,274 --> 00:10:54,434 Speaker 2: as I. 251 00:10:53,994 --> 00:10:56,754 Speaker 3: I love this is how we perceive things now as 252 00:10:56,794 --> 00:10:58,074 Speaker 3: we see them on a yacht and we're like, there's 253 00:10:58,074 --> 00:11:01,554 Speaker 3: a new relationship for twenty twenty six. Absolutely, But for 254 00:11:01,634 --> 00:11:03,674 Speaker 3: anyone who doesn't know much about alex El, which I 255 00:11:03,674 --> 00:11:05,674 Speaker 3: think most people are roughly across who she is, but 256 00:11:05,754 --> 00:11:09,474 Speaker 3: not everyone necessarily if they weren't watching certain things, know 257 00:11:09,514 --> 00:11:11,354 Speaker 3: where she came from and how she became such a 258 00:11:11,354 --> 00:11:14,434 Speaker 3: big deal. She's basically a gen Z's it girl influencer. 259 00:11:14,474 --> 00:11:16,754 Speaker 3: I mean, she blew up from TikTok and being on 260 00:11:16,794 --> 00:11:19,594 Speaker 3: social media, but she's she has crossed over more into 261 00:11:19,634 --> 00:11:23,634 Speaker 3: mainstream celebrity now. She initially went viral for her get 262 00:11:23,634 --> 00:11:25,874 Speaker 3: Ready with Me videos back when she was in UNI 263 00:11:26,274 --> 00:11:28,394 Speaker 3: and she's very unfiltered, so she's talked a lot about 264 00:11:28,434 --> 00:11:30,874 Speaker 3: you know, everything from like her struggles with acne. I 265 00:11:30,874 --> 00:11:33,074 Speaker 3: think I've seen videos with her with that was how 266 00:11:33,114 --> 00:11:34,833 Speaker 3: I first came across her content. But she talks a 267 00:11:34,874 --> 00:11:37,634 Speaker 3: lot about breakups, mental health, all that kind of thing, 268 00:11:37,674 --> 00:11:40,554 Speaker 3: as well as her beauty and lifestyle stuff. And she's 269 00:11:40,674 --> 00:11:44,394 Speaker 3: known for her huge selling power online, so brands talk 270 00:11:44,434 --> 00:11:46,714 Speaker 3: about the Alex Earl effect, where you know, she'll mention 271 00:11:46,834 --> 00:11:50,274 Speaker 3: products and they just sell out almost instantly. So she 272 00:11:50,274 --> 00:11:52,394 Speaker 3: has a lot of power with the younger generation in 273 00:11:52,474 --> 00:11:55,274 Speaker 3: terms of beauty products and things like that. And of course, 274 00:11:55,274 --> 00:11:57,274 Speaker 3: she was most recently on Dancing with the Starts, which 275 00:11:57,274 --> 00:11:58,994 Speaker 3: I think a lot of people would have been watching 276 00:11:59,034 --> 00:12:02,034 Speaker 3: with our darling brob Owen, who won and she came second, 277 00:12:02,594 --> 00:12:05,714 Speaker 3: and she had the commentary on having the strongest improvement arc. 278 00:12:05,754 --> 00:12:08,074 Speaker 3: I mean she started out a little bit and then 279 00:12:08,074 --> 00:12:10,354 Speaker 3: she got so much stronger and she came in second. 280 00:12:10,514 --> 00:12:12,594 Speaker 3: And people love that kind of arc on Dancing with 281 00:12:12,634 --> 00:12:14,594 Speaker 3: the Stars. I mean, if you come in not so 282 00:12:14,714 --> 00:12:16,754 Speaker 3: great at dancing and you end up and we see 283 00:12:16,794 --> 00:12:19,474 Speaker 3: that improvement and we see you get better week on week. 284 00:12:19,674 --> 00:12:21,474 Speaker 3: I'm a Dancing with the Stars tragic and that is 285 00:12:21,514 --> 00:12:24,994 Speaker 3: my favorite storyline to see, whereas with someone with Roberwin, 286 00:12:25,114 --> 00:12:26,874 Speaker 3: I love him as well, and he did so great, 287 00:12:27,034 --> 00:12:29,234 Speaker 3: But he started off fantastic and then he just got 288 00:12:29,234 --> 00:12:30,234 Speaker 3: more and more fantastic. 289 00:12:30,314 --> 00:12:32,794 Speaker 2: He has a bit of natural rhythm. I mean Alex 290 00:12:32,874 --> 00:12:34,953 Speaker 2: as well. I think Alex, with all those TikTok dancers, 291 00:12:35,074 --> 00:12:38,194 Speaker 2: was definitely training for it. But the reason I really 292 00:12:38,194 --> 00:12:40,674 Speaker 2: want to talk about this is because Alex Earl has 293 00:12:40,714 --> 00:12:43,674 Speaker 2: been on my feed for a long time. I think 294 00:12:43,754 --> 00:12:47,634 Speaker 2: that the really interesting thing about this is recently she 295 00:12:47,714 --> 00:12:51,234 Speaker 2: broke up with another NFL player, So Alex Earl has 296 00:12:51,234 --> 00:12:53,594 Speaker 2: had a really, really interesting twenty twenty five. After that 297 00:12:53,674 --> 00:12:56,074 Speaker 2: Dancing with the Stars, she broke up with her boyfriend, 298 00:12:56,114 --> 00:13:00,234 Speaker 2: who is Houston Texans wide receiver Braxton Burios. Now they 299 00:13:00,234 --> 00:13:02,514 Speaker 2: were dating for like two years. They broke up at 300 00:13:02,514 --> 00:13:04,594 Speaker 2: the end of last year. So now that she's been 301 00:13:04,634 --> 00:13:07,994 Speaker 2: spotted on New Year's ebe on a super yot Tom Brady, 302 00:13:08,554 --> 00:13:11,154 Speaker 2: people are going nuts for it because Tom Brady is 303 00:13:11,234 --> 00:13:14,554 Speaker 2: obviously a former NFL player as well, famously married to 304 00:13:14,874 --> 00:13:15,794 Speaker 2: Giselle Bunchen. 305 00:13:16,154 --> 00:13:18,314 Speaker 1: He had a kid with Bridget. 306 00:13:17,874 --> 00:13:20,794 Speaker 2: Moynihan, who is Natasha on Sex and the City and 307 00:13:20,994 --> 00:13:23,514 Speaker 2: you know, linked with Arena Shake like. He's a very 308 00:13:23,634 --> 00:13:26,274 Speaker 2: very handsome guy. I think he's got six Super Bowl 309 00:13:26,394 --> 00:13:29,114 Speaker 2: rings or something ridiculous. I don't follow football, but he's very, 310 00:13:29,314 --> 00:13:32,034 Speaker 2: very famous in that football world. So the fact that 311 00:13:32,034 --> 00:13:35,074 Speaker 2: they were spotted together on this boat well and truly 312 00:13:35,874 --> 00:13:39,674 Speaker 2: cuddling as people very excited. Now, one thing to note 313 00:13:39,754 --> 00:13:42,314 Speaker 2: is she's twenty five and he's forty eight. 314 00:13:42,874 --> 00:13:44,714 Speaker 1: How do we feel about that age gap? 315 00:13:44,914 --> 00:13:46,634 Speaker 3: Well, it just seems the way of the world, especially 316 00:13:46,714 --> 00:13:49,394 Speaker 3: with these celebrities. I think we've sort of talked before about. 317 00:13:49,714 --> 00:13:51,474 Speaker 3: I think it's to a point where you're where do 318 00:13:51,474 --> 00:13:53,114 Speaker 3: you draw the line when you're in your mid twenties. 319 00:13:53,114 --> 00:13:54,874 Speaker 3: I guess you're considered an adult and you can make 320 00:13:54,914 --> 00:13:57,034 Speaker 3: your own decisions. We just don't see it as much 321 00:13:57,114 --> 00:13:58,514 Speaker 3: in reverse the other way around. 322 00:13:58,754 --> 00:14:02,074 Speaker 2: It's so funny though, because she left her and Braxton Broker. 323 00:14:02,474 --> 00:14:05,154 Speaker 2: He's a footballer, but he's not a famous footballer really, 324 00:14:05,794 --> 00:14:09,034 Speaker 2: and now to be spotted with Tom Brady, who is 325 00:14:09,034 --> 00:14:12,194 Speaker 2: like the most famous NFL football player who is known 326 00:14:12,234 --> 00:14:15,274 Speaker 2: by people who don't even follow football. Can you imagine 327 00:14:15,314 --> 00:14:18,794 Speaker 2: Paul Braxton saying those videos, I know, imagine how heartbroken 328 00:14:18,794 --> 00:14:19,114 Speaker 2: he'd be. 329 00:14:19,434 --> 00:14:21,514 Speaker 3: It would be hard to see. And Tom Brady has 330 00:14:21,514 --> 00:14:24,314 Speaker 3: been on a little bit of a rebrand arc himself 331 00:14:24,354 --> 00:14:27,474 Speaker 3: in the post Gazelle era. So reports sort of came 332 00:14:27,474 --> 00:14:30,394 Speaker 3: out about him and Gazelle in twenty twenty two. This 333 00:14:30,554 --> 00:14:32,794 Speaker 3: was around when he had retired and then he went 334 00:14:32,874 --> 00:14:34,834 Speaker 3: back to the sport for a little bit, and then 335 00:14:34,834 --> 00:14:36,834 Speaker 3: all these reports came out that they were living apart. 336 00:14:37,074 --> 00:14:41,434 Speaker 3: So October twenty twenty two they finalized their separation after 337 00:14:41,474 --> 00:14:43,954 Speaker 3: thirteen years of marriage, and so they have joint custody 338 00:14:43,954 --> 00:14:46,434 Speaker 3: of the kids. And then since then he's been really 339 00:14:46,514 --> 00:14:49,114 Speaker 3: leaning into the sort of I guess, single dad business 340 00:14:49,154 --> 00:14:52,994 Speaker 3: guy era. He started his big Fox broadcasting deal. He 341 00:14:53,034 --> 00:14:55,674 Speaker 3: has a minority stake in the Las Vegas Raiders, and 342 00:14:55,914 --> 00:14:57,754 Speaker 3: as you said, he's been linked to quite a few 343 00:14:57,834 --> 00:15:00,914 Speaker 3: high profile women, including supermodel Arena Shaker. They had a 344 00:15:00,914 --> 00:15:04,514 Speaker 3: real situationship going, whereas Giselle seems to have fully moved on. 345 00:15:04,674 --> 00:15:07,034 Speaker 3: She has reportedly married a jiu jitsu and. 346 00:15:07,634 --> 00:15:10,834 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a mutual friend of Tom's, like they was, 347 00:15:11,234 --> 00:15:12,954 Speaker 2: they made him while they were married, and then she 348 00:15:13,034 --> 00:15:14,754 Speaker 2: went off with the jiu jitsu instructor. 349 00:15:14,914 --> 00:15:18,114 Speaker 3: Yes see right, moved on from that situation, Okay. 350 00:15:18,154 --> 00:15:20,714 Speaker 2: I also really want to talk about Saint Bart's for 351 00:15:20,794 --> 00:15:24,634 Speaker 2: New Years because this has been the biggest spot for 352 00:15:24,674 --> 00:15:28,434 Speaker 2: celebrities over the New Year period. Someone basically went onto 353 00:15:28,714 --> 00:15:33,194 Speaker 2: a marine trucker which tracks boats in the area. They 354 00:15:33,234 --> 00:15:36,074 Speaker 2: went on a marine tracker on New Year's Eve and 355 00:15:36,674 --> 00:15:39,354 Speaker 2: spotted all of the boats that were in the harbor 356 00:15:39,434 --> 00:15:42,674 Speaker 2: and moored there. Every single boat there was owned by 357 00:15:42,994 --> 00:15:46,234 Speaker 2: some kind of billionaire. There was something like one hundred 358 00:15:46,234 --> 00:15:49,754 Speaker 2: and fifteen super yachts in the Saint Barts area for 359 00:15:49,794 --> 00:15:50,554 Speaker 2: this New Year's Eve. 360 00:15:50,634 --> 00:15:51,354 Speaker 3: It's a place to be. 361 00:15:51,594 --> 00:15:54,754 Speaker 1: It is huge. So obviously we had some of the 362 00:15:54,794 --> 00:15:55,674 Speaker 1: other people that were there. 363 00:15:55,674 --> 00:15:59,114 Speaker 2: The Baseless has had their yacht there, The Disney CEO 364 00:15:59,234 --> 00:16:03,234 Speaker 2: had his yacht there, We had a bunch of other CEOs. Now, 365 00:16:03,714 --> 00:16:08,274 Speaker 2: Alex was invited by Ripple ceo. Now Ripple is a 366 00:16:08,314 --> 00:16:12,034 Speaker 2: fintech company, so she was hosted by Ripple CEO Brad 367 00:16:12,234 --> 00:16:15,754 Speaker 2: garling House, and so she thanks him in that post. 368 00:16:15,834 --> 00:16:18,074 Speaker 2: She made a post on Instagram talking about how it 369 00:16:18,154 --> 00:16:20,434 Speaker 2: was the best New Year's Eve ever. 370 00:16:20,714 --> 00:16:22,874 Speaker 3: I wonder if they have to thank them, like officially 371 00:16:22,874 --> 00:16:24,434 Speaker 3: in a public way when they're invited like that. 372 00:16:24,634 --> 00:16:25,554 Speaker 1: This is what I'm thinking. 373 00:16:25,634 --> 00:16:27,954 Speaker 2: So you know how we were really confused why there 374 00:16:27,954 --> 00:16:30,194 Speaker 2: were all these celebrities last year at the basil sweating. 375 00:16:30,154 --> 00:16:32,554 Speaker 2: Everyone's like, how do they even know each other? I 376 00:16:32,594 --> 00:16:36,274 Speaker 2: think what happens is these big billionaires all have their 377 00:16:36,314 --> 00:16:39,474 Speaker 2: super yots, right, and they just invite groups of celebrities 378 00:16:39,554 --> 00:16:42,714 Speaker 2: to come and party with them so that they look cooler. 379 00:16:43,154 --> 00:16:43,714 Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? 380 00:16:43,834 --> 00:16:45,794 Speaker 3: In BRUCEI their image. They look young and fresh and 381 00:16:45,834 --> 00:16:48,514 Speaker 3: they're in the know, and they're in the zeitguys. 382 00:16:47,874 --> 00:16:49,994 Speaker 1: Because they're all inviting all of these people. 383 00:16:50,034 --> 00:16:52,714 Speaker 2: So Kaylee Teller was there, who was obviously married to 384 00:16:52,754 --> 00:16:55,674 Speaker 2: Miles Teller. We had Michelle Randolph and Glen Powell who 385 00:16:55,674 --> 00:16:58,594 Speaker 2: were rumored to be together as well. Nina Dobrev was there, 386 00:16:59,074 --> 00:17:02,514 Speaker 2: Leonardo DiCaprio, they were all in this same group. So 387 00:17:02,594 --> 00:17:07,354 Speaker 2: Alex Earl has really gone from influencer on TikTok to 388 00:17:08,273 --> 00:17:13,874 Speaker 2: partying on a super yacht with billionaires and pashing Tom Brady. 389 00:17:14,434 --> 00:17:16,154 Speaker 1: What an arc for her? 390 00:17:17,034 --> 00:17:19,033 Speaker 3: I mean, I just kind of imagine what the conversations 391 00:17:19,034 --> 00:17:20,594 Speaker 3: that that party would be like, it just seems like 392 00:17:20,594 --> 00:17:22,634 Speaker 3: there's people from all different at the top of their 393 00:17:22,674 --> 00:17:25,273 Speaker 3: game and a whole bunch of different fields just partying together. 394 00:17:25,394 --> 00:17:28,833 Speaker 2: It's really interesting because that level of wealth is something 395 00:17:28,914 --> 00:17:32,154 Speaker 2: that ninety nine point nine percent of the population will 396 00:17:32,354 --> 00:17:35,594 Speaker 2: never ever see, and it's so bizarre to see them 397 00:17:35,674 --> 00:17:38,754 Speaker 2: all in this like I wouldn't say it incestuous environment, 398 00:17:38,794 --> 00:17:42,674 Speaker 2: but it's so exclusive and it is very like if 399 00:17:42,674 --> 00:17:46,434 Speaker 2: you're not in, you absolutely cannot sit with us. And 400 00:17:46,594 --> 00:17:49,793 Speaker 2: it's so interesting to see this explode like this. 401 00:17:50,394 --> 00:17:51,754 Speaker 1: So the fact that Alex. 402 00:17:51,474 --> 00:17:55,234 Speaker 2: Earl is on this yacht and is canoodling with Tom Brady, 403 00:17:55,274 --> 00:17:58,274 Speaker 2: who is one of the most successful athletes of all time, 404 00:17:58,754 --> 00:18:01,354 Speaker 2: on a super yacht next to other billionaires. 405 00:18:01,874 --> 00:18:04,914 Speaker 1: She has now cracked the elite. She's gone to. 406 00:18:04,834 --> 00:18:08,954 Speaker 2: That next level. Even though she was super famous on TikTok. 407 00:18:09,114 --> 00:18:11,994 Speaker 2: This is the new Alex this year. She's coming for 408 00:18:12,034 --> 00:18:13,234 Speaker 2: that celebrity life. 409 00:18:13,514 --> 00:18:15,874 Speaker 3: It's interesting, isn't it, Because to some people Alex El 410 00:18:15,914 --> 00:18:17,714 Speaker 3: would already be this huge style, Like if you're an 411 00:18:17,754 --> 00:18:20,394 Speaker 3: Alex El fan, you just get fed so much of 412 00:18:20,434 --> 00:18:22,714 Speaker 3: her content. But we're all in these different little echo 413 00:18:22,794 --> 00:18:24,954 Speaker 3: chambers when it comes to what we're seeing online. So 414 00:18:25,274 --> 00:18:27,593 Speaker 3: some people would have seen heaps of these photos from 415 00:18:27,674 --> 00:18:30,274 Speaker 3: New Year's of her and Tom, and other people may 416 00:18:30,314 --> 00:18:32,234 Speaker 3: not even know that it's happening because our feeds are 417 00:18:32,274 --> 00:18:33,354 Speaker 3: just so wildly different. 418 00:18:33,554 --> 00:18:36,314 Speaker 2: It's so funny because often when we have our meetings, 419 00:18:36,354 --> 00:18:37,874 Speaker 2: when we're talking about you know what we're going to 420 00:18:37,954 --> 00:18:41,194 Speaker 2: chat about, all of us, particularly you, Mey, our other AP's, 421 00:18:41,394 --> 00:18:43,714 Speaker 2: everybody else in the team, we're all talking about our 422 00:18:43,714 --> 00:18:45,954 Speaker 2: feeds and going, oh my god, it was everywhere. It 423 00:18:46,034 --> 00:18:50,073 Speaker 2: was everywhere. Everyone's talking about it. But then you'll say, oh, 424 00:18:50,114 --> 00:18:51,834 Speaker 2: I didn't see that at all. 425 00:18:52,274 --> 00:18:54,154 Speaker 3: Yeah, And we're just completely on different sides of things. 426 00:18:54,194 --> 00:18:55,994 Speaker 3: So what would you say were if I had to 427 00:18:56,074 --> 00:18:58,394 Speaker 3: look into your feed over the Christmas New Year period? 428 00:18:58,594 --> 00:19:00,234 Speaker 3: What are the top things? Was alex Earl and Tom 429 00:19:00,274 --> 00:19:00,994 Speaker 3: Brady one of them? 430 00:19:01,074 --> 00:19:02,074 Speaker 1: I mean, they were in there. 431 00:19:02,114 --> 00:19:04,114 Speaker 2: Alex El's always been in my feed, I think because 432 00:19:04,114 --> 00:19:06,154 Speaker 2: I do engage with that content. I think she's just 433 00:19:06,234 --> 00:19:08,954 Speaker 2: super hot, and I just like enjoy watching rich hot 434 00:19:08,994 --> 00:19:10,994 Speaker 2: people sometimes so fair, don't you know. 435 00:19:11,074 --> 00:19:13,874 Speaker 1: Like I can feel a little bit jealousy. I enjoy it. 436 00:19:13,874 --> 00:19:14,754 Speaker 3: It's aspirational. 437 00:19:14,994 --> 00:19:17,194 Speaker 2: I don't know, if it's aspirational, I just enjoying. I 438 00:19:17,274 --> 00:19:19,594 Speaker 2: enjoy like like hot messiness, like it's fun. For me, 439 00:19:20,154 --> 00:19:22,114 Speaker 2: it reminds me of my twenties. Not that I was 440 00:19:22,194 --> 00:19:23,834 Speaker 2: like that, but when you were on a yacht with 441 00:19:23,874 --> 00:19:25,794 Speaker 2: Jeff Bezos. No, it's never on a yacht, but it's 442 00:19:25,834 --> 00:19:27,754 Speaker 2: just like it's very fun. It looks like fun, like 443 00:19:27,794 --> 00:19:30,234 Speaker 2: I feel like she'd be a fun time. Absolutely, And 444 00:19:30,914 --> 00:19:35,434 Speaker 2: for me it's I get a lot of social justice content. 445 00:19:35,674 --> 00:19:39,034 Speaker 2: If people are rude, those people that find them and 446 00:19:39,074 --> 00:19:40,674 Speaker 2: then like expose them. 447 00:19:41,074 --> 00:19:42,634 Speaker 1: I really like that stuff. I don't know why. I 448 00:19:42,674 --> 00:19:44,834 Speaker 1: just find it funny how you can be found. 449 00:19:45,274 --> 00:19:47,754 Speaker 2: I get a lot of like skipped videos, so you know, 450 00:19:47,794 --> 00:19:51,634 Speaker 2: the people who make whole series by themselves. 451 00:19:51,674 --> 00:19:53,994 Speaker 1: They're like Eddie Murphy and play every character. I get 452 00:19:53,994 --> 00:19:55,833 Speaker 1: a lot of that. So do you know who Poloma 453 00:19:55,874 --> 00:19:56,434 Speaker 1: Diamond is? 454 00:19:56,634 --> 00:19:57,034 Speaker 3: Yeah? 455 00:19:57,074 --> 00:20:00,114 Speaker 2: Like I love Poloma Diamond. And then the final thing 456 00:20:00,194 --> 00:20:03,513 Speaker 2: is like am I the arsehole videos and story times. 457 00:20:03,634 --> 00:20:05,514 Speaker 2: I get a lot of spooky story times. I really 458 00:20:05,634 --> 00:20:07,634 Speaker 2: enjoy that, like paranormal story. 459 00:20:07,554 --> 00:20:09,714 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great stuff to break up the entertainment content. 460 00:20:09,954 --> 00:20:12,674 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny because I think I went I started 461 00:20:12,714 --> 00:20:15,994 Speaker 2: watching the am I the asshole videos when I was 462 00:20:16,114 --> 00:20:19,034 Speaker 2: lying awake at three am, and then now my feed 463 00:20:19,194 --> 00:20:20,394 Speaker 2: just keeps going back to it. 464 00:20:20,754 --> 00:20:21,674 Speaker 1: But what's on your feed? 465 00:20:22,154 --> 00:20:24,234 Speaker 3: Well, at the moment, it's a lot of Taylor. I 466 00:20:24,234 --> 00:20:26,074 Speaker 3: mean there's always a lot of Taylor Swift, sad girls, 467 00:20:26,114 --> 00:20:29,314 Speaker 3: supercuts of like, you know, Taylor Swift's song, montages to things. 468 00:20:29,354 --> 00:20:31,793 Speaker 3: But over the break so much Taylor Swift stuff from 469 00:20:31,794 --> 00:20:34,234 Speaker 3: the doco, a lot about her and Gracie Abrams and 470 00:20:34,554 --> 00:20:37,594 Speaker 3: basically just these really cute videos of Gracie talking about 471 00:20:37,634 --> 00:20:39,273 Speaker 3: how much he loves Taylor, and then how cute it 472 00:20:39,354 --> 00:20:41,554 Speaker 3: is to get to grow up and work with your idol. 473 00:20:42,034 --> 00:20:44,034 Speaker 3: I also got I mean, I'm sure everyone got this, 474 00:20:44,114 --> 00:20:45,954 Speaker 3: but my entire feed the last couple weeks has been 475 00:20:45,954 --> 00:20:48,394 Speaker 3: like end of year wrap up nostalgia. People doing those 476 00:20:48,594 --> 00:20:50,914 Speaker 3: wrap ups of things that happened this year, and believe 477 00:20:50,954 --> 00:20:51,274 Speaker 3: with that. 478 00:20:51,394 --> 00:20:53,834 Speaker 1: The twenty twenty five season comes to an end. 479 00:20:53,994 --> 00:20:55,834 Speaker 3: Exactly. It really gets you in your field. You're in 480 00:20:55,874 --> 00:20:58,234 Speaker 3: that weird, hazy period between Boxing Day and New Year's 481 00:20:58,234 --> 00:21:00,313 Speaker 3: and you're like, oh my god, like, what so much 482 00:21:00,394 --> 00:21:02,434 Speaker 3: happens this year? And then I get a lot of 483 00:21:02,514 --> 00:21:05,954 Speaker 3: random dating and relationships stuff. I love those videos of 484 00:21:05,994 --> 00:21:08,434 Speaker 3: people being like this guy wondering why he's falling for me, 485 00:21:08,474 --> 00:21:10,474 Speaker 3: But I paid an Etsy witch to put a love 486 00:21:10,514 --> 00:21:12,474 Speaker 3: potion on him. Oh will you get that? 487 00:21:12,714 --> 00:21:14,513 Speaker 1: I get a little mum stuff as well. 488 00:21:14,514 --> 00:21:16,074 Speaker 3: It makes sense. It's all I mean, it's all you know, 489 00:21:16,194 --> 00:21:17,154 Speaker 3: life stage dependent. 490 00:21:17,274 --> 00:21:19,594 Speaker 2: No, My my favorite thing is mon when you come 491 00:21:19,594 --> 00:21:21,354 Speaker 2: in and you say, oh my god, this Joe Jonah stuff 492 00:21:21,434 --> 00:21:23,034 Speaker 2: is like everywhere, and I'm like, I don't think I've 493 00:21:23,074 --> 00:21:26,234 Speaker 2: ever received a single Jonas brother face of content on. 494 00:21:26,114 --> 00:21:28,553 Speaker 3: My What can I say? The feed knows me. That 495 00:21:28,634 --> 00:21:30,234 Speaker 3: is what it's getting to be over alex El and 496 00:21:30,274 --> 00:21:30,954 Speaker 3: Tom Brady. 497 00:21:31,114 --> 00:21:33,114 Speaker 2: I love that though. This is why we love you, 498 00:21:33,194 --> 00:21:34,513 Speaker 2: This is why we love you. But yeah, this is 499 00:21:34,634 --> 00:21:37,914 Speaker 2: feeds just remarkably different. But she's she's going nuts now 500 00:21:37,954 --> 00:21:40,874 Speaker 2: and I'm gonna be very interested. I really want to 501 00:21:40,874 --> 00:21:42,994 Speaker 2: go and be a flower on the wall at that yacht. 502 00:21:43,154 --> 00:21:45,314 Speaker 2: This is quite juicy. There was a source that said 503 00:21:45,314 --> 00:21:48,554 Speaker 2: that while they were on the yacht, they snuck off 504 00:21:48,634 --> 00:21:52,794 Speaker 2: to a room together, allegedly like a barroom or like 505 00:21:52,834 --> 00:21:55,114 Speaker 2: a no room. It would be one of the bedrooms 506 00:21:55,114 --> 00:21:55,674 Speaker 2: on the yacht. 507 00:21:55,714 --> 00:21:56,354 Speaker 3: It's crazy. 508 00:21:56,434 --> 00:22:00,033 Speaker 2: I feel like that would happen, which is so juicy 509 00:22:00,034 --> 00:22:03,194 Speaker 2: because these yachts are like gigantic, but they have full 510 00:22:03,194 --> 00:22:05,234 Speaker 2: sized swimming pools on them. This isn't like a tiny, 511 00:22:05,274 --> 00:22:09,074 Speaker 2: little three late boat or fairy. This is billions of 512 00:22:09,114 --> 00:22:09,994 Speaker 2: billions of dollars. 513 00:22:10,154 --> 00:22:10,834 Speaker 3: It's a big boat. 514 00:22:10,914 --> 00:22:13,714 Speaker 1: It's a big bloody boat. Yeah, it's a souper yl. 515 00:22:13,874 --> 00:22:15,394 Speaker 3: They're not kayaking anyway. 516 00:22:15,394 --> 00:22:17,674 Speaker 2: We will keep you posted on Alex Olan, Tom Brady, 517 00:22:17,714 --> 00:22:20,074 Speaker 2: I reckon it's just a nice little flavor bound. 518 00:22:20,074 --> 00:22:23,234 Speaker 3: Or we'll be watching it like a hawk. Na, okay, 519 00:22:23,274 --> 00:22:25,194 Speaker 3: we have to talk about Stranger Things, one of the 520 00:22:25,194 --> 00:22:27,273 Speaker 3: biggest shows in the world, and just a warning there 521 00:22:27,274 --> 00:22:30,834 Speaker 3: are spoilers incoming. So Volume two and three dropped around 522 00:22:30,914 --> 00:22:33,194 Speaker 3: Christmas and New Years. In Australia it was Boxing Day 523 00:22:33,234 --> 00:22:35,634 Speaker 3: and New Year's Day. In the US it was Christmas 524 00:22:35,714 --> 00:22:37,914 Speaker 3: Day and New Year's if so, making a big statement 525 00:22:37,954 --> 00:22:40,914 Speaker 3: there with the date drops and everything on social media 526 00:22:40,994 --> 00:22:43,513 Speaker 3: was about people binging it, people locking in and being like, 527 00:22:43,554 --> 00:22:45,513 Speaker 3: I'm going to sit down and watch all of this 528 00:22:45,594 --> 00:22:47,954 Speaker 3: because it's so highly anticipated. It's been waiting for this 529 00:22:48,154 --> 00:22:48,794 Speaker 3: for so long. 530 00:22:48,954 --> 00:22:52,874 Speaker 2: Yes, but you yourself are not a massive Stranger Things fan. 531 00:22:53,354 --> 00:22:56,074 Speaker 3: I'm not a Stranger Things fan, to be honest, I've 532 00:22:56,114 --> 00:22:58,033 Speaker 3: never really been someone who's gotten into this series, but 533 00:22:58,034 --> 00:23:00,474 Speaker 3: I am someone who consumes a lot of content around it, 534 00:23:00,714 --> 00:23:02,794 Speaker 3: and very weirdly for someone who doesn't watch the show, 535 00:23:02,834 --> 00:23:05,474 Speaker 3: quite invested in all the cast interviews, and it is 536 00:23:05,474 --> 00:23:07,794 Speaker 3: really interesting seeing them in their twenties when they were 537 00:23:07,834 --> 00:23:10,994 Speaker 3: introduced to the world stage, you know, as pre teens teams. 538 00:23:11,154 --> 00:23:14,994 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such an interesting show because when it came 539 00:23:15,034 --> 00:23:19,474 Speaker 2: out ten years ago, it really was quite revolutionary. And 540 00:23:19,474 --> 00:23:22,793 Speaker 2: we're also talking about Stranger Things biggest piece of IP, Like, 541 00:23:22,874 --> 00:23:27,674 Speaker 2: this show was the real show that really catapulted Netflix 542 00:23:27,754 --> 00:23:31,954 Speaker 2: into producing its own content. I would say, look, I'm 543 00:23:31,954 --> 00:23:35,034 Speaker 2: an odfan. I have watched this show since the beginning. 544 00:23:35,234 --> 00:23:39,114 Speaker 2: That first season was incredible, interviewed Daker Montgomery. 545 00:23:39,194 --> 00:23:41,474 Speaker 1: But it's been three years. 546 00:23:40,834 --> 00:23:46,594 Speaker 2: Since season four ed and our final season highly highly anticipated. 547 00:23:46,634 --> 00:23:48,834 Speaker 1: We're going to finally find out what happens. 548 00:23:48,514 --> 00:23:52,954 Speaker 2: To Will and l and Hopper and the Upside Down 549 00:23:53,034 --> 00:23:54,954 Speaker 2: and Veckna and mind Fla. It like, there was so 550 00:23:55,234 --> 00:23:59,274 Speaker 2: much going on, and it's an excellent show. They've put 551 00:23:59,354 --> 00:24:02,033 Speaker 2: so much money into it, and I did really enjoy it. 552 00:24:02,114 --> 00:24:05,074 Speaker 1: I did like it. I had some issues, and. 553 00:24:05,034 --> 00:24:07,874 Speaker 3: You weren't alone. There's been a huge reaction to the 554 00:24:07,874 --> 00:24:10,514 Speaker 3: finale of this, and we thought, before we get into 555 00:24:10,514 --> 00:24:13,553 Speaker 3: it ourselves, we have to bring in a super fans perspective, 556 00:24:13,674 --> 00:24:16,513 Speaker 3: so our pop culture and Social editor Tina Burke. You 557 00:24:16,514 --> 00:24:18,154 Speaker 3: would have heard her on the pod. She comes on 558 00:24:18,194 --> 00:24:20,553 Speaker 3: the spill all the time with her hot takes and 559 00:24:20,594 --> 00:24:22,513 Speaker 3: she's just in the weeds of the internet in a 560 00:24:22,514 --> 00:24:24,234 Speaker 3: way that I have never seen anyone be in the 561 00:24:24,234 --> 00:24:27,194 Speaker 3: weeds of the internet. She is so into stranger things 562 00:24:27,194 --> 00:24:29,754 Speaker 3: that she wrote not even just for Mama Mere website, 563 00:24:29,794 --> 00:24:32,674 Speaker 3: but ten pages in her own personal journal with her 564 00:24:32,754 --> 00:24:36,273 Speaker 3: feelings about the finale, and this is her reaction to 565 00:24:36,474 --> 00:24:37,194 Speaker 3: what she watched. 566 00:24:37,554 --> 00:24:40,594 Speaker 4: First of all, my biggest shout out to Jamie Campbell 567 00:24:40,594 --> 00:24:44,714 Speaker 4: Bauer as Veckner Slush Henry Krill Slash zero zero one 568 00:24:44,754 --> 00:24:47,234 Speaker 4: that he was so fantastic all season long. He's a 569 00:24:47,234 --> 00:24:50,594 Speaker 4: phenomenal actor, and I think he just brought such depth 570 00:24:50,914 --> 00:24:54,194 Speaker 4: to this character in this big final moment where we 571 00:24:54,274 --> 00:24:56,234 Speaker 4: got to see more into his psyche of this like 572 00:24:56,634 --> 00:25:00,874 Speaker 4: poor terrified but equally terrifying man. I love the fact 573 00:25:00,914 --> 00:25:02,954 Speaker 4: that the Duff is considered and even put on the 574 00:25:02,954 --> 00:25:05,553 Speaker 4: table for viewers, like giving him a redemption arc and 575 00:25:05,554 --> 00:25:08,354 Speaker 4: then sort of yanking it away. It was so much 576 00:25:08,794 --> 00:25:11,314 Speaker 4: fun to watch. It was terrifying to watch at times 577 00:25:11,354 --> 00:25:14,274 Speaker 4: and really haunting, but it was just a really interesting 578 00:25:14,314 --> 00:25:14,954 Speaker 4: story for him. 579 00:25:15,034 --> 00:25:15,394 Speaker 5: Loved it. 580 00:25:15,754 --> 00:25:17,354 Speaker 4: One thing I did not love is that it only 581 00:25:17,354 --> 00:25:19,434 Speaker 4: took six minutes to kill him and take down the 582 00:25:19,474 --> 00:25:22,114 Speaker 4: mind Flare. I think that action sequence might be my 583 00:25:22,194 --> 00:25:25,114 Speaker 4: least favorite moment of the finale. I understand that this 584 00:25:25,154 --> 00:25:27,034 Speaker 4: show has grown so much and is so big, and 585 00:25:27,074 --> 00:25:29,474 Speaker 4: I actually don't mind that it's at such a grander 586 00:25:29,554 --> 00:25:32,394 Speaker 4: scale than season one, but like there were no demo 587 00:25:32,514 --> 00:25:35,114 Speaker 4: Gorgans in the desert, the mind Flare was like an 588 00:25:35,154 --> 00:25:40,274 Speaker 4: Avengers style Marvel Cinematic Universe alien. He was huge, and 589 00:25:40,634 --> 00:25:42,994 Speaker 4: I wish it had kept kind of some of that darker, 590 00:25:43,234 --> 00:25:47,194 Speaker 4: more sinister tone of the original look and feel of 591 00:25:47,194 --> 00:25:50,474 Speaker 4: the mind Flaer. But that being said, that's just one scene. 592 00:25:50,514 --> 00:25:52,994 Speaker 4: I still bloody loved that Joyce was the one who 593 00:25:53,074 --> 00:25:55,314 Speaker 4: got to behead him and take him down, and I'm 594 00:25:55,354 --> 00:25:58,033 Speaker 4: okay with it having a little cliche montage of everything 595 00:25:58,074 --> 00:26:00,514 Speaker 4: they went through. I don't mind cliche, guys, I love it. 596 00:26:00,874 --> 00:26:03,474 Speaker 4: Pretending to kill off Steve Harrington for five seconds and 597 00:26:03,634 --> 00:26:06,634 Speaker 4: turning the screen black silly, but I had a good time. 598 00:26:07,154 --> 00:26:09,354 Speaker 4: I think the biggest the biggest thing that any of 599 00:26:09,434 --> 00:26:13,074 Speaker 4: us have taken away is the death supposedly of eleven. 600 00:26:13,554 --> 00:26:16,074 Speaker 4: I was really saddened by this decision because I think 601 00:26:16,114 --> 00:26:18,914 Speaker 4: Hopper laid it out so perfectly in his monologue. You know, 602 00:26:18,954 --> 00:26:21,434 Speaker 4: this is a girl who was used and traumatized and 603 00:26:21,794 --> 00:26:23,553 Speaker 4: fought to save her friends and save the world. And 604 00:26:23,594 --> 00:26:26,154 Speaker 4: when she wasn't she was running or hiding or even 605 00:26:26,154 --> 00:26:29,674 Speaker 4: in California being bullied. She has not had a good life, 606 00:26:29,714 --> 00:26:31,594 Speaker 4: and she was fighting for the chance to have one, 607 00:26:31,674 --> 00:26:34,314 Speaker 4: and the two options for her being one she killed 608 00:26:34,354 --> 00:26:37,594 Speaker 4: herself to save everyone, or two she's in Iceland alone 609 00:26:37,674 --> 00:26:40,114 Speaker 4: and can looking at waterfalls and can never make contact 610 00:26:40,114 --> 00:26:42,033 Speaker 4: with the people she loves. Both of those are just 611 00:26:42,074 --> 00:26:46,754 Speaker 4: so devastating, And she's the one character who didn't deserve it, 612 00:26:46,794 --> 00:26:49,554 Speaker 4: and who deserved the chance to live. And it makes 613 00:26:49,554 --> 00:26:52,353 Speaker 4: me sad that that's the way they went. But I mean, 614 00:26:52,394 --> 00:26:54,793 Speaker 4: they didn't write this show specifically for Tina Burke, did they, 615 00:26:54,834 --> 00:26:57,554 Speaker 4: And in the scheme of disappointing finales. I'm not disappointed 616 00:26:57,594 --> 00:27:00,954 Speaker 4: in the finale. I just wish that that hadn't happened. However, 617 00:27:01,034 --> 00:27:03,474 Speaker 4: if it did have to happen, I kind of wish 618 00:27:03,514 --> 00:27:07,194 Speaker 4: that it didn't involve Eleven tapping into Mike's mind in 619 00:27:07,194 --> 00:27:08,914 Speaker 4: the middle of all of it. It took me out 620 00:27:08,954 --> 00:27:11,474 Speaker 4: of it, but hey, that's just me right. Some things 621 00:27:11,514 --> 00:27:14,274 Speaker 4: that I did love. I loved Vecna being in Hopper's 622 00:27:14,274 --> 00:27:17,074 Speaker 4: mind and tricking him. I thought that was just amazing. 623 00:27:17,114 --> 00:27:19,194 Speaker 4: My jaw was on the floor. I loved when Max 624 00:27:19,234 --> 00:27:21,714 Speaker 4: stood up and you went, oh shit, is she in 625 00:27:21,834 --> 00:27:23,674 Speaker 4: Vecna's mind? What's going to happen to her? There was 626 00:27:23,714 --> 00:27:25,914 Speaker 4: some really brilliant moments of suspense and shout out to 627 00:27:25,994 --> 00:27:28,114 Speaker 4: those kids, and a lot of people have been complaining 628 00:27:28,114 --> 00:27:30,834 Speaker 4: about the kids scenes, but they really did their thing. 629 00:27:31,194 --> 00:27:34,674 Speaker 4: Love my guy, Derek, what a diva. And of course, 630 00:27:34,794 --> 00:27:36,754 Speaker 4: I mean you can't really talk about it without talking 631 00:27:36,794 --> 00:27:39,914 Speaker 4: about that epilogue, and as sad as it was, I 632 00:27:39,954 --> 00:27:42,553 Speaker 4: really loved that the final scene was the kids playing 633 00:27:42,594 --> 00:27:45,074 Speaker 4: well they're not kids anymore? Are they playing D and 634 00:27:45,114 --> 00:27:47,554 Speaker 4: D together and having that moment of joy and fun 635 00:27:47,594 --> 00:27:50,994 Speaker 4: and also obviously extreme sadness, but it spoke back to 636 00:27:51,194 --> 00:27:53,154 Speaker 4: what the whole point of this show has been about. 637 00:27:53,194 --> 00:27:55,914 Speaker 4: That like childlike wonder and joy and all of those things, 638 00:27:55,954 --> 00:27:57,714 Speaker 4: which is why it makes me so mad they killed 639 00:27:57,714 --> 00:27:59,994 Speaker 4: off eleven. But I digress. I think there was a 640 00:28:00,034 --> 00:28:02,434 Speaker 4: lot of beautiful moments in this finale, so many that 641 00:28:02,474 --> 00:28:04,874 Speaker 4: would tug at the heart strings of any Stranger Things fan. 642 00:28:05,594 --> 00:28:08,234 Speaker 4: And hey, there's been a lot of plot holes pointed out, 643 00:28:08,234 --> 00:28:09,954 Speaker 4: a lot of questions fans still have. I'm sure the 644 00:28:09,994 --> 00:28:11,513 Speaker 4: girls are going to get into it, but as a 645 00:28:11,554 --> 00:28:13,994 Speaker 4: diehard Stranger Things fan, I have to say I still 646 00:28:14,034 --> 00:28:16,514 Speaker 4: really loved this one, so shout out to them, and 647 00:28:17,514 --> 00:28:19,793 Speaker 4: I cannot wait to get to go rewatch all of 648 00:28:19,794 --> 00:28:21,074 Speaker 4: it now. I think I'm going to give myself a 649 00:28:21,074 --> 00:28:23,394 Speaker 4: month or two because I need to process whatever that 650 00:28:23,434 --> 00:28:25,833 Speaker 4: finale was and how I feel about it, But then 651 00:28:25,834 --> 00:28:26,914 Speaker 4: I'm going to check it out again. 652 00:28:27,234 --> 00:28:29,313 Speaker 3: I love how emotional she is there. That is a 653 00:28:29,314 --> 00:28:31,234 Speaker 3: true superfan and you can tell them the son of 654 00:28:31,234 --> 00:28:31,793 Speaker 3: her voice. 655 00:28:31,874 --> 00:28:33,754 Speaker 2: Yes, And that's why we wanted to make sure we 656 00:28:33,834 --> 00:28:36,554 Speaker 2: had the Tina Burke view because she knows what she's 657 00:28:36,594 --> 00:28:40,954 Speaker 2: talking about. So the eleven of it all, this has 658 00:28:40,994 --> 00:28:43,474 Speaker 2: been the biggest bit of discourse on the internet. I 659 00:28:43,514 --> 00:28:46,954 Speaker 2: definitely agree with Tina. It does seem really unfair to 660 00:28:46,994 --> 00:28:50,394 Speaker 2: have someone like Eleven, who has been through so much, 661 00:28:51,354 --> 00:28:54,674 Speaker 2: to not have her there anymore, especially you know, when 662 00:28:54,714 --> 00:28:59,034 Speaker 2: her and Mike had this budding relationship and she's finally 663 00:28:59,074 --> 00:29:02,554 Speaker 2: got friends and family, and to have that ripped away 664 00:29:02,554 --> 00:29:05,914 Speaker 2: from her seems quite cruel. So the Daffer brothers have 665 00:29:06,074 --> 00:29:08,594 Speaker 2: said that they wanted to leave it up to the 666 00:29:08,634 --> 00:29:11,954 Speaker 2: audience to decide whether they think Eleven is alive or dead. 667 00:29:12,514 --> 00:29:15,714 Speaker 2: They also said that they had this ending planned from 668 00:29:15,794 --> 00:29:18,514 Speaker 2: the beginning, so they said that the final scene thing 669 00:29:18,554 --> 00:29:22,354 Speaker 2: them playing dungeons and dragons was always the way it 670 00:29:22,394 --> 00:29:24,034 Speaker 2: was going to end from the beginning. 671 00:29:24,154 --> 00:29:25,474 Speaker 3: That's very sweet ending. 672 00:29:25,714 --> 00:29:28,234 Speaker 2: The nostalgia of that is really nice, and I think 673 00:29:28,274 --> 00:29:30,794 Speaker 2: that is so heartwarming for people because we've watched these 674 00:29:30,874 --> 00:29:33,234 Speaker 2: kids grow up, more so than a lot of other 675 00:29:33,274 --> 00:29:36,714 Speaker 2: shows on TV, where even if they do have five seasons, 676 00:29:36,794 --> 00:29:38,754 Speaker 2: it's open five years. Because this was done over such 677 00:29:38,754 --> 00:29:41,274 Speaker 2: a long period of time, we've seen them go from 678 00:29:41,554 --> 00:29:47,034 Speaker 2: literal preteens to adults, and that means that people are 679 00:29:47,034 --> 00:29:51,834 Speaker 2: really heavily invested in these characters in these storylines. The 680 00:29:51,954 --> 00:29:55,154 Speaker 2: vector dying so quickly reminds me a lot of the 681 00:29:55,194 --> 00:29:57,914 Speaker 2: way that I felt during the final season of Game 682 00:29:57,914 --> 00:30:01,474 Speaker 2: of Thrones when the White Walkers were killed in one episode. 683 00:30:01,754 --> 00:30:04,914 Speaker 2: So the entirety of Game of Thrones was so focused 684 00:30:04,914 --> 00:30:06,394 Speaker 2: on the fact that the White Walkers were going to 685 00:30:06,434 --> 00:30:08,394 Speaker 2: come over the wall and kill everyone, and it was 686 00:30:08,434 --> 00:30:11,634 Speaker 2: this huge storyline. It was so difficult to kill them, 687 00:30:11,674 --> 00:30:16,234 Speaker 2: and then it was done in one episode at the 688 00:30:16,274 --> 00:30:19,074 Speaker 2: beginning of the final season. It was just so anticlimactic, 689 00:30:19,314 --> 00:30:20,834 Speaker 2: and I think that's the way a lot of people 690 00:30:20,874 --> 00:30:27,274 Speaker 2: felt with the Vecna scene. It should have been a bigger, longer, 691 00:30:27,474 --> 00:30:30,514 Speaker 2: more arduous battle. There should have been a lot more tension. 692 00:30:31,674 --> 00:30:33,994 Speaker 2: The other side of that is they have spent five 693 00:30:34,074 --> 00:30:37,714 Speaker 2: seasons building that tension, and now it's time to end. 694 00:30:38,314 --> 00:30:40,274 Speaker 3: It is difficult with any of these shows that span 695 00:30:40,514 --> 00:30:42,834 Speaker 3: so many years because you spend so much time as 696 00:30:42,834 --> 00:30:45,474 Speaker 3: a them thinking about potentially how things are going to 697 00:30:45,514 --> 00:30:48,394 Speaker 3: wrap up, and it is difficult for people to be happy. 698 00:30:48,434 --> 00:30:51,234 Speaker 3: And the way these characters do find their endings with eleven, 699 00:30:51,314 --> 00:30:53,554 Speaker 3: her arc was so central to the series. So I 700 00:30:53,594 --> 00:30:56,954 Speaker 3: think that ambiguity of the ending and it's quite bleak 701 00:30:56,994 --> 00:31:00,034 Speaker 3: and open ended in a way. Fans find that really hard. 702 00:31:00,034 --> 00:31:02,274 Speaker 3: With how invested they are in her character and that 703 00:31:02,394 --> 00:31:05,474 Speaker 3: lack of having found family and that theme of things 704 00:31:05,514 --> 00:31:07,594 Speaker 3: that was so important in such a big thing for her, 705 00:31:07,794 --> 00:31:10,274 Speaker 3: that's obviously very difficult to then see how it ended up. 706 00:31:10,434 --> 00:31:14,234 Speaker 2: So overall, this particular season is the worst rated one 707 00:31:14,234 --> 00:31:17,194 Speaker 2: of all the Stranger Things seasons. It has the most 708 00:31:17,594 --> 00:31:20,994 Speaker 2: critiques of any of them, a lowest rating on Rotten Tomatoes, 709 00:31:21,394 --> 00:31:24,834 Speaker 2: and the lowest rated episode was actually episode nine, which 710 00:31:24,834 --> 00:31:27,074 Speaker 2: is the one before this finale, and this is the 711 00:31:27,154 --> 00:31:30,074 Speaker 2: episode in which will Byers comes out. 712 00:31:30,634 --> 00:31:33,074 Speaker 3: And people have been chatting about this online and basically 713 00:31:33,474 --> 00:31:36,034 Speaker 3: saying that they feel they were queerbited in this way. 714 00:31:36,354 --> 00:31:39,194 Speaker 3: Fans think that the show, you know, teased his sexuality 715 00:31:39,194 --> 00:31:41,634 Speaker 3: and his feelings for Mike for years and then we 716 00:31:41,714 --> 00:31:44,554 Speaker 3: didn't get that proper explicit payoff that I think people 717 00:31:44,714 --> 00:31:47,834 Speaker 3: were hoping to see. But basically, with all this commentary 718 00:31:47,834 --> 00:31:51,114 Speaker 3: that's been around, it has gotten me thinking about criticisms 719 00:31:51,114 --> 00:31:53,394 Speaker 3: of finales in general, because, as you said, this is 720 00:31:53,394 --> 00:31:55,834 Speaker 3: getting a similar treatment to what we saw with the 721 00:31:55,834 --> 00:31:58,594 Speaker 3: Game of Thrones final season, and there are a lot 722 00:31:58,634 --> 00:32:01,874 Speaker 3: of recurring finale sins that fans like to call out. 723 00:32:01,954 --> 00:32:03,954 Speaker 3: You know, people get very upset when they think you've 724 00:32:04,034 --> 00:32:06,554 Speaker 3: killed the wrong character. They also get upset when you 725 00:32:06,594 --> 00:32:10,034 Speaker 3: refuse to cat anyone in certain shows, things like loose 726 00:32:10,074 --> 00:32:12,514 Speaker 3: plot threads that don't get tied up, and you know, 727 00:32:12,594 --> 00:32:14,834 Speaker 3: twists that come into quickly. Like what you were saying, 728 00:32:14,914 --> 00:32:17,634 Speaker 3: sometimes when something's done in one episode and it feels 729 00:32:17,634 --> 00:32:19,114 Speaker 3: like there was so much lead up to it, it 730 00:32:19,154 --> 00:32:21,354 Speaker 3: doesn't feel like you got the payoff you were hoping for. 731 00:32:21,834 --> 00:32:23,994 Speaker 3: These are all things that people have really complained about 732 00:32:23,994 --> 00:32:27,354 Speaker 3: with shows like Lost with killing Eve shows like that. 733 00:32:27,434 --> 00:32:29,274 Speaker 3: One that comes to mind for me is How I 734 00:32:29,274 --> 00:32:32,194 Speaker 3: Met Your Mother, because I was hugely into that show 735 00:32:32,434 --> 00:32:35,394 Speaker 3: and people were very upset with the finale. Yeah, I 736 00:32:35,514 --> 00:32:38,474 Speaker 3: controversially am not one of them. I actually quite liked 737 00:32:38,514 --> 00:32:40,074 Speaker 3: that How I Met your Mother finale. I feel like 738 00:32:40,154 --> 00:32:42,874 Speaker 3: I can't even say that publicly because people hate how 739 00:32:42,874 --> 00:32:44,994 Speaker 3: it ended up, and a lot of people think, you know, 740 00:32:45,074 --> 00:32:47,874 Speaker 3: the show spends nine seasons promising it's going to show 741 00:32:47,914 --> 00:32:49,714 Speaker 3: you how I Met your mother, and you build a 742 00:32:49,714 --> 00:32:52,194 Speaker 3: lot of emotional investment and then it kills her off 743 00:32:52,234 --> 00:32:55,314 Speaker 3: pretty quickly. And we pivot back to Robin basically within 744 00:32:55,434 --> 00:32:57,314 Speaker 3: minutes of the last finale episode. 745 00:32:57,434 --> 00:32:59,874 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I thought it was not great. Not my 746 00:32:59,874 --> 00:33:02,994 Speaker 2: favorite finale of all time. Now, the reason that the 747 00:33:03,034 --> 00:33:05,434 Speaker 2: Game of Thrones one really bothered me is that because 748 00:33:05,474 --> 00:33:08,674 Speaker 2: we had so many questions that didn't get answered, and 749 00:33:08,994 --> 00:33:11,394 Speaker 2: that is the same with Stranger Things. 750 00:33:11,434 --> 00:33:13,834 Speaker 1: So why was Hopper in Russia? 751 00:33:14,274 --> 00:33:16,514 Speaker 2: We didn't really finish that he was there, and then 752 00:33:16,634 --> 00:33:20,114 Speaker 2: that storyline was gone. There were no consequences for military 753 00:33:20,234 --> 00:33:22,114 Speaker 2: there were you know, they came out of the upside 754 00:33:22,154 --> 00:33:23,994 Speaker 2: and it's destroyed and then everybody's happy and goes back 755 00:33:23,994 --> 00:33:26,514 Speaker 2: to living. And there was all these little things that 756 00:33:26,594 --> 00:33:29,234 Speaker 2: sort of dropped and we didn't get a nice little 757 00:33:29,234 --> 00:33:32,274 Speaker 2: tidy bow on it, which for someone like me, I 758 00:33:32,314 --> 00:33:35,594 Speaker 2: hate ambiguity and finales. There is nothing I hate more 759 00:33:35,634 --> 00:33:37,954 Speaker 2: than when a creator says to me, we want the 760 00:33:37,994 --> 00:33:40,634 Speaker 2: audience to decide. I really really hate that tell me 761 00:33:40,634 --> 00:33:42,354 Speaker 2: what to think because I want to know what the 762 00:33:42,434 --> 00:33:45,154 Speaker 2: real is rather than the theory. I know some people 763 00:33:45,234 --> 00:33:47,994 Speaker 2: love doing fan theories and their own sort of idea 764 00:33:48,034 --> 00:33:50,194 Speaker 2: of how it should be, but I don't. 765 00:33:49,954 --> 00:33:51,514 Speaker 1: I want a nice, clean answer. 766 00:33:51,554 --> 00:33:53,594 Speaker 2: So that was definitely for me, and I know for 767 00:33:53,674 --> 00:33:56,674 Speaker 2: a lot of people, a very very challenging thing for 768 00:33:56,714 --> 00:33:59,994 Speaker 2: the Stranger Things finale. Look, despite all that it still 769 00:34:00,394 --> 00:34:02,474 Speaker 2: is the end of an era. We do think we 770 00:34:02,514 --> 00:34:04,954 Speaker 2: are getting some spinoffs. There has already chat about spinoffs 771 00:34:05,154 --> 00:34:07,434 Speaker 2: in the universe, so I don't think this Strange of 772 00:34:07,434 --> 00:34:09,553 Speaker 2: Things universe is going to be gone for good. But 773 00:34:09,754 --> 00:34:13,634 Speaker 2: this chapter of Stranger Things with our original cast is 774 00:34:13,674 --> 00:34:17,794 Speaker 2: officially over. So it's pretty sad, and I think there's 775 00:34:17,794 --> 00:34:20,434 Speaker 2: going to be a big hole left on Netflix. 776 00:34:20,154 --> 00:34:22,794 Speaker 3: And I for one, am deeply concerned about how Tina 777 00:34:22,834 --> 00:34:24,994 Speaker 3: Burke is going to cope. Thank you so much for 778 00:34:25,074 --> 00:34:27,354 Speaker 3: listening to The Spill today. As of now, we are 779 00:34:27,394 --> 00:34:30,194 Speaker 3: back to regular programming, So every morning you've got Morning 780 00:34:30,234 --> 00:34:32,514 Speaker 3: Tea with Ash London that drops on your way to 781 00:34:32,594 --> 00:34:34,873 Speaker 3: work in time for your commute, and then you've got 782 00:34:34,954 --> 00:34:37,714 Speaker 3: us The Spill in your ears every day at three pm. 783 00:34:37,994 --> 00:34:40,354 Speaker 3: We also dropped a lot of great content over the break. 784 00:34:40,354 --> 00:34:42,433 Speaker 3: We get a lot done here, guys, so have a 785 00:34:42,474 --> 00:34:44,554 Speaker 3: listened to some of the episodes we did. EMM and 786 00:34:44,634 --> 00:34:47,354 Speaker 3: Laura did a great one on rom com couples. They're 787 00:34:47,394 --> 00:34:49,714 Speaker 3: pretty sure wouldn't have made it in real life, and 788 00:34:49,754 --> 00:34:52,074 Speaker 3: they also didn't ask us anything. So if you want 789 00:34:52,074 --> 00:34:54,834 Speaker 3: to hear their answers to your juicy questions, make sure 790 00:34:54,874 --> 00:34:56,473 Speaker 3: to go back in the feed and check that out. 791 00:34:56,914 --> 00:34:59,594 Speaker 3: Also jump into the watch party feed and make sure 792 00:34:59,594 --> 00:35:01,873 Speaker 3: you're following that. We'll put the link in the show notes. 793 00:35:01,914 --> 00:35:04,554 Speaker 3: We have a full series dedicated to Emily in Paris, 794 00:35:04,554 --> 00:35:07,354 Speaker 3: season five that you won't want to miss. This bill 795 00:35:07,474 --> 00:35:10,873 Speaker 3: is produced by myself, Manitiurist Warren and Georgie Page, with 796 00:35:11,034 --> 00:35:13,714 Speaker 3: sound production by Scott Stronik and we will see you 797 00:35:13,754 --> 00:35:14,234 Speaker 3: next time. 798 00:35:14,394 --> 00:35:27,953 Speaker 5: Bye bye, Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land. 799 00:35:27,994 --> 00:35:30,994 Speaker 1: We have recorded this podcast on the Gatigol people of 800 00:35:31,034 --> 00:35:34,434 Speaker 1: the Orination. We pay our respects to their elders past 801 00:35:34,474 --> 00:35:37,354 Speaker 1: and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and 802 00:35:37,434 --> 00:35:38,874 Speaker 1: Torres Strait islander cultures.