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Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 3: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders

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Speaker 3: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome

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Speaker 3: to this spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodney.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Cassnua Lukitsch and we have a very special

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Speaker 2: episode today because it is very much devoted to a

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Speaker 2: very buzzy new TV series that everyone has been talking about.

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Speaker 3: The announcement for it actually set a record for the

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Speaker 3: most watched trailer in Hulu's history, and that is the

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Speaker 3: show All's Fair. It's a new entry into the Ryan

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Speaker 3: Murphy universe. And we are lucky enough to have some

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Speaker 2: Yes, so you did an interview with them last week

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Speaker 2: and you had all the details on the new show.

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Speaker 2: I really want to know, though, what is this show about?

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Speaker 2: Because I've seen the trailer now we know that it's

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Speaker 3: Yes, so, Ryan Murphy, this is a new entry to

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Speaker 3: his universe, which is you know, American horror story, American

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Speaker 3: crime story, the Feud series, the Monster series, and this

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Speaker 3: very much fits into this world, even though there's no

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Speaker 3: All's Fair is a new drama about a team of

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Speaker 2: Okay, can we talk about the names of all the

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Speaker 2: not real names. It's very Ryan Murphy to do it

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I've got like Alura Alura is kid. Yes,

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Speaker 3: Allura Grant, that's kid character. Yeah, all these characters are

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Speaker 3: So very standard. She's been really good in miss from

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Speaker 3: what I've seen from the trailer. Because we should caveat

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Speaker 2: So this has really been under lock and key, like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. And can I just say it's very uncommon

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Speaker 3: make sure you're not recording. That has happened to me

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Speaker 2: Okay. So who else is in the class apart from

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really interesting. We've got a few people who

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Speaker 3: Yes, that was like her like after like Newlywords had

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Speaker 2: I mean, I quite appreciate how you know, we know

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's meant to be a fictional story, and

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Speaker 3: it was hooked on obviously Kim Kardashian training to be

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Speaker 2: Hello, Wow, it's you right this way.

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Speaker 1: You're the best divorce lawyers in town.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you so much for taking the time

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Speaker 3: How was the premiere? Is that the kind of event

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Speaker 1: Paris and I don't know someone. Yes, we will make

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Speaker 3: I'm very happy to hear that. So I wanted to

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Speaker 2: I play Liberty Ronson.

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Speaker 1: or eight something in the latter half of the season

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00:19:20,984 --> 00:19:23,304
Speaker 1: that was definitely there, but Naomi and I sort of

435
00:19:24,024 --> 00:19:27,624
Speaker 1: ramped it up where we're competing for Glenn's attention, and

436
00:19:27,664 --> 00:19:30,224
Speaker 1: it's from what I understand it, it's quite fun.

437
00:19:30,624 --> 00:19:33,224
Speaker 3: Oh okay, what a great tease. I can't wait to yeah, yeah, yeah.

438
00:19:33,384 --> 00:19:35,104
Speaker 3: And I wanted to ask you both a little bit

439
00:19:35,104 --> 00:19:36,904
Speaker 3: at the themes of the show, because from what I've

440
00:19:36,944 --> 00:19:38,864
Speaker 3: seen from the trailer and the clips, it's very much

441
00:19:38,864 --> 00:19:42,224
Speaker 3: about women forgetting their power getting out of a bad situation.

442
00:19:42,344 --> 00:19:44,184
Speaker 3: So I wanted to ask you both, as powerful women

443
00:19:44,264 --> 00:19:46,584
Speaker 3: in the industry, if there's a moment of your career

444
00:19:46,584 --> 00:19:48,824
Speaker 3: is where you've had to sort of use your power

445
00:19:48,904 --> 00:19:50,984
Speaker 3: or step away from something or make a decision, and

446
00:19:51,544 --> 00:19:54,104
Speaker 3: how would you sort of bring that experience to these roles.

447
00:19:54,824 --> 00:19:56,544
Speaker 1: I think I've done it more in life than in

448
00:19:56,624 --> 00:20:01,144
Speaker 1: work environments actually by way of mostly just trimming the fat.

449
00:20:01,264 --> 00:20:03,744
Speaker 1: I feel as I've gotten older, my circle of friends

450
00:20:03,784 --> 00:20:07,064
Speaker 1: has gotten smaller because I just, I guess, don't feel

451
00:20:07,064 --> 00:20:10,464
Speaker 1: like I have interest or time in spending time. I'm

452
00:20:10,504 --> 00:20:13,344
Speaker 1: on friendships where it's not being reciprocated to the kind

453
00:20:13,384 --> 00:20:15,184
Speaker 1: of you know, I've just it's become very clear to

454
00:20:15,224 --> 00:20:18,024
Speaker 1: me what I require and what I give and what

455
00:20:18,104 --> 00:20:20,224
Speaker 1: I expect to be given in return, and if someone

456
00:20:20,304 --> 00:20:23,104
Speaker 1: can't do it, then I you know, I've been able

457
00:20:23,104 --> 00:20:24,384
Speaker 1: to sort of but I didn't.

458
00:20:24,424 --> 00:20:26,104
Speaker 2: I wasn't. I wasn't able to do that before.

459
00:20:26,144 --> 00:20:28,024
Speaker 1: I think I had too many feelings or worried about

460
00:20:28,024 --> 00:20:30,784
Speaker 1: too many things. And now I'm a little better at

461
00:20:30,824 --> 00:20:33,504
Speaker 1: that kind of self care. But it's not so much

462
00:20:33,624 --> 00:20:36,024
Speaker 1: in work. I've not ever really, I've been very lucky.

463
00:20:36,064 --> 00:20:37,984
Speaker 1: I've been working for you know, almost a decade with

464
00:20:38,064 --> 00:20:41,264
Speaker 1: Ryan a lot, and I feel, as Nami was saying earlier,

465
00:20:41,304 --> 00:20:45,304
Speaker 1: like there is nothing more powerful than a man that's

466
00:20:45,304 --> 00:20:48,784
Speaker 1: that powerful, that empowers you, you know, and given me

467
00:20:49,184 --> 00:20:52,184
Speaker 1: countless roles to play that are all different and has

468
00:20:52,264 --> 00:20:54,504
Speaker 1: continued to just be like you. I choose you, and

469
00:20:54,544 --> 00:20:56,904
Speaker 1: for whatever that reason is, it has been like a

470
00:20:57,024 --> 00:21:01,304
Speaker 1: very confidence building thing for me. So it's like I

471
00:21:01,384 --> 00:21:04,304
Speaker 1: happen to have a very strong male presence in my

472
00:21:04,344 --> 00:21:07,424
Speaker 1: life who has been very, very generous with those incredible

473
00:21:07,424 --> 00:21:11,264
Speaker 1: to What about you, Namy, I've forgotten the question Sarah

474
00:21:11,344 --> 00:21:14,944
Speaker 1: tap for so long about something about using your power.

475
00:21:15,384 --> 00:21:17,584
Speaker 1: Have you ever had an experience at work or where

476
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Speaker 1: you've needed to kind of assertain yourself?

477
00:21:19,984 --> 00:21:22,104
Speaker 2: In your story, I loved it.

478
00:21:23,224 --> 00:21:27,264
Speaker 6: I think it's anything where I've had to I mean, certainly,

479
00:21:27,824 --> 00:21:30,144
Speaker 6: I think you used the word confidence, and you know,

480
00:21:30,224 --> 00:21:32,024
Speaker 6: over time that is something that develops.

481
00:21:32,064 --> 00:21:34,984
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm someone who really had to fight.

482
00:21:35,104 --> 00:21:38,784
Speaker 6: Hard to get a job for a long, long period

483
00:21:38,784 --> 00:21:42,264
Speaker 6: of time until I met David Lynch and and then

484
00:21:42,424 --> 00:21:45,504
Speaker 6: things kind of rolled quite smoothly. I mean not to

485
00:21:45,544 --> 00:21:48,544
Speaker 6: say I haven't had troughs and valleys along the way.

486
00:21:48,744 --> 00:21:52,024
Speaker 6: You know, it's been. It's my trajectory has certainly not

487
00:21:52,064 --> 00:21:55,184
Speaker 6: gone like that. And you know, there's been lots of

488
00:21:55,224 --> 00:21:58,264
Speaker 6: things that have factored into that, you know, choosing to

489
00:21:58,304 --> 00:22:00,304
Speaker 6: live in New York and stay there and only work

490
00:22:00,384 --> 00:22:02,104
Speaker 6: there for a period of time while my kids are

491
00:22:02,104 --> 00:22:05,384
Speaker 6: in school as well as yeah, I can't go on

492
00:22:05,424 --> 00:22:09,544
Speaker 6: the road or you know, I mean, yeah, so many things.

493
00:22:09,864 --> 00:22:13,304
Speaker 6: But I think that confidence is earned over time. And

494
00:22:13,384 --> 00:22:16,384
Speaker 6: you know, when you're invited to be an executive producer,

495
00:22:16,464 --> 00:22:20,024
Speaker 6: for instance, your voice does matter and people do listen

496
00:22:20,064 --> 00:22:23,344
Speaker 6: to you, certainly when it's involving the creative process.

497
00:22:23,624 --> 00:22:26,304
Speaker 2: Yes, and that's such an incredible message or general. But

498
00:22:26,544 --> 00:22:27,544
Speaker 2: I'm not an anecdote.

499
00:22:27,584 --> 00:22:29,944
Speaker 1: I'm afraid no, no, no, that was that was just you

500
00:22:29,944 --> 00:22:31,824
Speaker 1: don't have any ancidotes for you, which is another thing

501
00:22:31,904 --> 00:22:34,704
Speaker 1: we decided to stop doing once we became fifty.

502
00:22:34,824 --> 00:22:36,184
Speaker 2: They decided no more anecdotes.

503
00:22:36,784 --> 00:22:40,184
Speaker 3: Okay, well, thank you both, so thank you, Thank you

504
00:22:40,264 --> 00:22:41,224
Speaker 3: so lovely to talk to you.

505
00:22:41,304 --> 00:22:45,904
Speaker 2: Thank you to you. Sarah Paulson seems like such a vibe.

506
00:22:46,264 --> 00:22:49,544
Speaker 3: I know, I take all of my life lessons from her,

507
00:22:49,624 --> 00:22:51,984
Speaker 3: like when she was talking about like choosing which of

508
00:22:52,024 --> 00:22:54,504
Speaker 3: her friends to cut out and like taking her power

509
00:22:54,544 --> 00:22:57,624
Speaker 3: back is just so interesting and it's so funny watching

510
00:22:57,664 --> 00:23:00,064
Speaker 3: because you hearing me say like, oh, I forgot the

511
00:23:00,144 --> 00:23:03,024
Speaker 3: question because I was so enraptured in your story and yeah,

512
00:23:03,144 --> 00:23:04,744
Speaker 3: know me what she is, just like staring at her

513
00:23:04,784 --> 00:23:07,624
Speaker 3: and awe as. I was kind of taking that in. So, yeah,

514
00:23:07,624 --> 00:23:10,024
Speaker 3: they're they're so fabulous.

515
00:23:10,104 --> 00:23:10,944
Speaker 2: No more anecdotes.

516
00:23:11,104 --> 00:23:15,344
Speaker 3: Yeah, your old friends. I loved that. It's so good.

517
00:23:15,424 --> 00:23:16,504
Speaker 3: Oh they're so good together.

518
00:23:18,344 --> 00:23:21,944
Speaker 2: Okay, you're next grouping. You had three people, three of

519
00:23:21,984 --> 00:23:24,544
Speaker 2: them together. Yeah, for a short interview over a screen.

520
00:23:24,664 --> 00:23:26,944
Speaker 2: It was just like all the things coming together. But

521
00:23:26,984 --> 00:23:28,624
Speaker 2: you know, we do what we can, and we're all

522
00:23:28,824 --> 00:23:31,104
Speaker 2: we're all busy women. And also it's so funny because

523
00:23:31,144 --> 00:23:32,744
Speaker 2: I was not complaining, but I was like, oh, I've

524
00:23:32,744 --> 00:23:34,784
Speaker 2: got these early morning interviews and I've got no time

525
00:23:34,864 --> 00:23:37,784
Speaker 2: to prep because it's the last minute. Rah and so

526
00:23:37,824 --> 00:23:39,864
Speaker 2: many people like you're interviewing Kim Karashian. She just like

527
00:23:39,904 --> 00:23:44,224
Speaker 2: twenty hour days and never complains. So basically like check yourself.

528
00:23:44,264 --> 00:23:46,184
Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, fair and absolutely fair enough.

529
00:23:46,264 --> 00:23:48,184
Speaker 2: You know what that is a fair cretanque.

530
00:23:48,384 --> 00:23:48,584
Speaker 1: Yes.

531
00:23:48,744 --> 00:23:50,824
Speaker 3: So they popped up on the screen and it's like

532
00:23:50,864 --> 00:23:52,584
Speaker 3: something out of a fever dream. I'm sitting here in

533
00:23:52,584 --> 00:23:53,944
Speaker 3: this chair that I said in every day to do

534
00:23:53,984 --> 00:23:56,104
Speaker 3: the podcast, and in the screen in front of me

535
00:23:56,184 --> 00:24:00,224
Speaker 3: pops up Glenn close, Kim Kardashian and Nissi Nash and

536
00:24:00,264 --> 00:24:02,064
Speaker 3: that and not that would have been mean. Yeah, and

537
00:24:02,744 --> 00:24:03,664
Speaker 3: it was overwhelming.

538
00:24:03,824 --> 00:24:07,904
Speaker 2: Kim's one thing, but Glenn Close is just like all

539
00:24:07,904 --> 00:24:10,704
Speaker 2: incredible actors obviously. Well, actually, I don't know of Kim's

540
00:24:10,704 --> 00:24:12,624
Speaker 2: an incrediblack yet I haven't really seen that. I didn't

541
00:24:12,624 --> 00:24:13,984
Speaker 2: see her in an American She.

542
00:24:14,064 --> 00:24:16,784
Speaker 3: Is an iconic person, yet he is an iconic person.

543
00:24:16,824 --> 00:24:19,664
Speaker 3: It's almost like I went numb because it was too overwhelming,

544
00:24:19,704 --> 00:24:22,544
Speaker 3: because if it had been any of them individually, I

545
00:24:22,544 --> 00:24:24,784
Speaker 3: would have died. I'm obsessed with niecyn Ash. I not

546
00:24:24,824 --> 00:24:26,984
Speaker 3: only love watching interviews with her, I love her performance.

547
00:24:27,024 --> 00:24:29,664
Speaker 3: I love when she doesn't acceptance speech. I just think

548
00:24:29,704 --> 00:24:32,344
Speaker 3: like the world has become a particularly obsessed with her

549
00:24:32,384 --> 00:24:33,224
Speaker 3: in the last few years.

550
00:24:33,344 --> 00:24:34,624
Speaker 2: Great comedic timing, it's.

551
00:24:34,504 --> 00:24:37,304
Speaker 3: Great communic timing, great dramatic actress. She's always got in

552
00:24:37,344 --> 00:24:39,264
Speaker 3: a Ryan Murphy show. Love her. And then you got

553
00:24:39,264 --> 00:24:41,744
Speaker 3: Glenn Close, who is like the brand of movie star

554
00:24:41,824 --> 00:24:45,424
Speaker 3: that we don't make anymore, like old school iconic movie star.

555
00:24:45,944 --> 00:24:48,064
Speaker 3: She's just looking at me politely and expectantly. And then

556
00:24:48,144 --> 00:24:50,624
Speaker 3: Kim Kardashian's just sitting in the middle just it was

557
00:24:50,664 --> 00:24:51,624
Speaker 3: almost too much.

558
00:24:51,984 --> 00:24:54,384
Speaker 2: Yet this is a perfect question because people I bet

559
00:24:54,504 --> 00:24:57,344
Speaker 2: ask you all the time. Do you ever get nervous

560
00:24:57,424 --> 00:25:00,264
Speaker 2: when you interview people? After you've been doing it for

561
00:25:00,304 --> 00:25:01,744
Speaker 2: a while, you kind of get used to it, but

562
00:25:01,784 --> 00:25:04,944
Speaker 2: there are still moments where you look at what you're

563
00:25:04,984 --> 00:25:06,624
Speaker 2: doing and it's kind of a bit out of body.

564
00:25:07,104 --> 00:25:08,664
Speaker 3: It was weird. I actually think I would have been

565
00:25:08,744 --> 00:25:11,584
Speaker 3: less nervous in person. One thing about that that where

566
00:25:11,584 --> 00:25:14,024
Speaker 3: you're able to sort of you walk into the room,

567
00:25:14,064 --> 00:25:17,664
Speaker 3: you make eye contact with them, you're sitting so show

568
00:25:17,824 --> 00:25:19,744
Speaker 3: you shut their hand, You have a little quick prechat

569
00:25:19,784 --> 00:25:22,184
Speaker 3: while they're setting up the cameras, and so you have

570
00:25:22,304 --> 00:25:24,264
Speaker 3: that moment it's like they're just sitting in front of

571
00:25:24,304 --> 00:25:26,704
Speaker 3: a screen and my face just flashed up and I've

572
00:25:26,744 --> 00:25:28,624
Speaker 3: got no time to spare, so I have to jump

573
00:25:28,664 --> 00:25:30,744
Speaker 3: straight into my first question. And it's almost like they

574
00:25:30,744 --> 00:25:33,104
Speaker 3: looked a bit shocked of like, oh, we're going straight away.

575
00:25:33,224 --> 00:25:35,704
Speaker 2: And it's so fast, like it's you know, you get

576
00:25:35,744 --> 00:25:37,904
Speaker 2: a few minutes and they let you into this room

577
00:25:38,464 --> 00:25:41,384
Speaker 2: digitally and you kind of just have to like do

578
00:25:41,544 --> 00:25:43,864
Speaker 2: it and then within a few minutes it's over.

579
00:25:44,144 --> 00:25:46,104
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it feels like you just and then you're like, okay, bye,

580
00:25:46,304 --> 00:25:48,744
Speaker 3: it's just such a fever dream. But yeah, everything about

581
00:25:48,744 --> 00:25:50,864
Speaker 3: it was like very interesting. There's a part of the

582
00:25:50,864 --> 00:25:53,824
Speaker 3: interview you'll hear about Kim Kardashian sort of prep for

583
00:25:53,864 --> 00:25:56,104
Speaker 3: the role, which has become a huge story that we'll

584
00:25:56,104 --> 00:25:58,304
Speaker 3: talk about more after the interview. But what I also

585
00:25:58,304 --> 00:26:01,064
Speaker 3: think is interesting is just how the show was built

586
00:26:01,104 --> 00:26:03,264
Speaker 3: around her. Because when I was telling people that I

587
00:26:03,304 --> 00:26:06,024
Speaker 3: was doing these interviews, they'd say, oh, Kim Kardashian, she's

588
00:26:06,144 --> 00:26:08,424
Speaker 3: part of the show. There's obviously people with like real

589
00:26:08,464 --> 00:26:11,704
Speaker 3: lives and jobs who don't follow and to so intensely,

590
00:26:12,024 --> 00:26:14,184
Speaker 3: And I'd say, yeah, she's not only the lead of

591
00:26:14,224 --> 00:26:16,664
Speaker 3: the show, but the show was made for her. She

592
00:26:16,824 --> 00:26:20,024
Speaker 3: is top billing over Nami Watts, going close, and that

593
00:26:20,144 --> 00:26:22,744
Speaker 3: is the way the show is. Yeah, exactly, but that

594
00:26:22,864 --> 00:26:24,504
Speaker 3: is the way the show is set up. And so

595
00:26:25,024 --> 00:26:27,744
Speaker 3: Ryan Murphy said that all of those women signed on

596
00:26:27,824 --> 00:26:30,624
Speaker 3: without seeing a script, just knowing it was him and

597
00:26:30,704 --> 00:26:33,264
Speaker 3: a show starring Kim Kardashian, and they all said, yes,

598
00:26:33,304 --> 00:26:35,024
Speaker 3: I want to be in that. And these are women

599
00:26:35,024 --> 00:26:37,544
Speaker 3: who obviously like they're part of the Ryan Murphy universe,

600
00:26:37,584 --> 00:26:39,864
Speaker 3: so they just want to work with him in general,

601
00:26:39,944 --> 00:26:42,464
Speaker 3: but they also wanted to work with Kim Kardashian as

602
00:26:42,504 --> 00:26:44,664
Speaker 3: the lead actress in the show, which I think has

603
00:26:44,704 --> 00:26:47,944
Speaker 3: been kind of glossed over in some reports of people

604
00:26:47,944 --> 00:26:49,824
Speaker 3: being like, oh, now she's trying to be an actress.

605
00:26:50,064 --> 00:26:52,864
Speaker 3: But the way it came about is Ryan Murphy said,

606
00:26:52,944 --> 00:26:56,624
Speaker 3: I really want to meet Kim Kardashian and Kris Jenner,

607
00:26:56,904 --> 00:26:58,584
Speaker 3: and that was his plan, and he said he went

608
00:26:58,624 --> 00:27:01,104
Speaker 3: into their first meeting and for the first time ever,

609
00:27:01,144 --> 00:27:03,224
Speaker 3: he was going to pitch a reality series. He wanted

610
00:27:03,264 --> 00:27:06,024
Speaker 3: to pitch something around Kim Kardashian as a reality star,

611
00:27:06,664 --> 00:27:08,384
Speaker 3: and he said he sat down, he got into the

612
00:27:08,384 --> 00:27:11,904
Speaker 3: meeting with Kim Kardashian and Christian and he's like, instantly,

613
00:27:11,944 --> 00:27:14,224
Speaker 3: it was the worst pitch I've ever done. And he's like,

614
00:27:14,264 --> 00:27:17,464
Speaker 3: you know, you can tell that you're losing Kim Kardashian

615
00:27:17,704 --> 00:27:22,144
Speaker 3: when as you're speaking, she picks up her phone looking

616
00:27:22,184 --> 00:27:23,664
Speaker 3: at that. So I didn't feel too bad if I

617
00:27:23,664 --> 00:27:25,584
Speaker 3: thought Kim Kardashian was looking down when I was talking,

618
00:27:25,584 --> 00:27:27,584
Speaker 3: because I was like, she's a busy woman. If you

619
00:27:27,664 --> 00:27:30,664
Speaker 3: lose her for a second, she's onto her next task. Yeah, yeah,

620
00:27:30,704 --> 00:27:32,744
Speaker 3: and so apparently he finished his pitch, he knew it

621
00:27:32,784 --> 00:27:34,784
Speaker 3: wasn't good, and Chris Jenna was the one who said,

622
00:27:34,984 --> 00:27:37,704
Speaker 3: that was great, sweetie, but actually it's not the way

623
00:27:37,704 --> 00:27:39,504
Speaker 3: we want to go, and you should write a scripted

624
00:27:39,584 --> 00:27:43,224
Speaker 3: role for Kim. So obviously that kind of parleyed into Jenna.

625
00:27:43,424 --> 00:27:47,104
Speaker 2: Yeah, Queen Mam and Ja like she can do no wrong.

626
00:27:47,224 --> 00:27:49,264
Speaker 2: That woman works very hard, exactly.

627
00:27:49,344 --> 00:27:50,824
Speaker 3: And again a lot of people have been saying, why

628
00:27:50,904 --> 00:27:53,904
Speaker 3: is Christiana standing next to Kim Kardashian on all the

629
00:27:53,944 --> 00:27:56,864
Speaker 3: red carpets for All's fair? Like she's such a stage

630
00:27:56,904 --> 00:27:59,384
Speaker 3: mum pushing herself in there. But she's not. Because she

631
00:27:59,464 --> 00:28:01,464
Speaker 3: is a producer on the show and she helped make

632
00:28:01,504 --> 00:28:03,744
Speaker 3: it happen, so that's why she's on the carpet. She's

633
00:28:03,744 --> 00:28:04,544
Speaker 3: not there as a mom.

634
00:28:04,664 --> 00:28:07,624
Speaker 2: Well quite frankly, they've had producer credits on keeping Up

635
00:28:09,344 --> 00:28:12,344
Speaker 2: for a very long time, so they know how it works.

636
00:28:12,384 --> 00:28:14,144
Speaker 2: I know what it takes to put a show together,

637
00:28:14,344 --> 00:28:17,424
Speaker 2: whether scripted or reality, and it was slightly different, but

638
00:28:17,584 --> 00:28:19,584
Speaker 2: they would still understand how it works.

639
00:28:19,784 --> 00:28:23,184
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, they're they're masterminds behind the scenes. So that

640
00:28:23,304 --> 00:28:27,144
Speaker 3: all came into Kim Kadashian being in the last season

641
00:28:27,184 --> 00:28:30,824
Speaker 3: of American Horror Story delicate opposite Emma Roberts. But then

642
00:28:30,944 --> 00:28:34,944
Speaker 3: Ryan Murphy started putting this TV show together around Kim

643
00:28:35,224 --> 00:28:37,624
Speaker 3: and around the idea that she's becoming a lawyer in

644
00:28:37,664 --> 00:28:42,784
Speaker 3: real life, so let's get her to play this very fictionalized, cutting, powerful,

645
00:28:42,864 --> 00:28:45,344
Speaker 3: and glamorous version of a lawyer.

646
00:28:45,624 --> 00:28:48,104
Speaker 2: How was she in American Horror Story Because I didn't

647
00:28:48,144 --> 00:28:48,664
Speaker 2: watch it.

648
00:28:49,024 --> 00:28:51,184
Speaker 3: This is a complicated topic for me, because I love

649
00:28:51,224 --> 00:28:53,864
Speaker 3: American Horror Story. I just love it. I love every season,

650
00:28:53,904 --> 00:28:56,624
Speaker 3: I love all the players, I love everything about it.

651
00:28:56,704 --> 00:29:00,904
Speaker 3: She was quite good, and that is high praise. Here's

652
00:29:00,944 --> 00:29:05,064
Speaker 3: the thing. It wasn't my favorite American Horror Story season

653
00:29:05,384 --> 00:29:08,584
Speaker 3: by a long shot. It felt a little bit uneven.

654
00:29:08,984 --> 00:29:11,944
Speaker 3: It wasn't the bestuction value, it didn't feel like it

655
00:29:11,984 --> 00:29:14,064
Speaker 3: was leading. It's not on the top ones. And that

656
00:29:14,104 --> 00:29:17,584
Speaker 3: show has the ability to turn out incredible seasons of television.

657
00:29:18,184 --> 00:29:20,304
Speaker 3: That's why I was sort of a bit like, oh,

658
00:29:20,344 --> 00:29:22,504
Speaker 3: this is kind of leaving me a bit like empty feeling.

659
00:29:22,784 --> 00:29:25,584
Speaker 3: But watching it, Kim did hold her own and she

660
00:29:25,704 --> 00:29:29,384
Speaker 3: felt fine. She was good, working opposite Emma Roberts, there

661
00:29:29,424 --> 00:29:32,704
Speaker 3: was a good dynamic of their characters that Kim came

662
00:29:32,704 --> 00:29:34,824
Speaker 3: off not looking out of place, Like if I didn't

663
00:29:34,864 --> 00:29:36,464
Speaker 3: know it was her first acting role, I didn't know

664
00:29:36,504 --> 00:29:39,064
Speaker 3: she was Kim Kardashian, I wouldn't have watched the show

665
00:29:39,144 --> 00:29:39,704
Speaker 3: being like.

666
00:29:41,144 --> 00:29:41,864
Speaker 2: People acting.

667
00:29:42,064 --> 00:29:44,544
Speaker 3: It wouldn't have felt jarring like she felt like she fit.

668
00:29:44,824 --> 00:29:47,384
Speaker 3: The only time I kind of felt a bit like, oh,

669
00:29:47,504 --> 00:29:49,384
Speaker 3: I can tell she's a bit new to this, a

670
00:29:49,384 --> 00:29:51,944
Speaker 3: little bit green was when she did a few scenes

671
00:29:51,984 --> 00:29:55,064
Speaker 3: with a lot of the other character actresses who make

672
00:29:55,144 --> 00:29:58,624
Speaker 3: up the Ryan Murphy universe, like Leslie Grossman in particular,

673
00:29:59,024 --> 00:30:01,144
Speaker 3: and you saw them acting together, and I just had

674
00:30:01,184 --> 00:30:03,744
Speaker 3: this thought of like, oh, if Kim Kardashian wasn't in

675
00:30:03,784 --> 00:30:06,624
Speaker 3: that role, it would probably be Leslie, and Leslie is

676
00:30:06,664 --> 00:30:09,064
Speaker 3: just acting circles around her. But she has also been

677
00:30:09,104 --> 00:30:11,024
Speaker 3: doing this for thirty years, so that is fair enough.

678
00:30:11,064 --> 00:30:13,344
Speaker 3: So actually she was quite good. It was just hard

679
00:30:13,344 --> 00:30:15,384
Speaker 3: that she was in a season of one of my

680
00:30:15,424 --> 00:30:17,624
Speaker 3: favorite shows that I didn't love. Okay, so it's very

681
00:30:17,624 --> 00:30:18,624
Speaker 3: complicated dynamic.

682
00:30:18,664 --> 00:30:20,344
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, I'm excited to hear this.

683
00:30:20,624 --> 00:30:22,784
Speaker 3: But I can see why he rehired her again because

684
00:30:22,784 --> 00:30:25,104
Speaker 3: there was such a reaction, there was like a new energy,

685
00:30:25,224 --> 00:30:29,624
Speaker 3: and everyone from American Horror Story Delicate said that she

686
00:30:29,704 --> 00:30:32,504
Speaker 3: was very professional, very prepared, very good at her job,

687
00:30:32,784 --> 00:30:35,424
Speaker 3: which is interesting because something I ask in the interview

688
00:30:35,464 --> 00:30:38,184
Speaker 3: that you're about to hear is asking about that level

689
00:30:38,184 --> 00:30:40,224
Speaker 3: of preparation, because I just find it so interesting that

690
00:30:40,304 --> 00:30:42,384
Speaker 3: she is one of the most talked about women in

691
00:30:42,384 --> 00:30:44,544
Speaker 3: the world, one of the most filmed and photographed, but

692
00:30:44,584 --> 00:30:46,544
Speaker 3: there's still so much of her life that we don't know.

693
00:30:47,104 --> 00:30:48,784
Speaker 3: And I think people would normally think the part of

694
00:30:48,824 --> 00:30:51,264
Speaker 3: her life that we don't know is the scandalous side,

695
00:30:51,464 --> 00:30:53,544
Speaker 3: but I do think it's the more like, even though

696
00:30:53,584 --> 00:30:55,064
Speaker 3: she talks her how much, she's a hard work and

697
00:30:55,104 --> 00:30:57,624
Speaker 3: I do believe that, I honestly think that that's a

698
00:30:57,744 --> 00:30:59,944
Speaker 3: much bigger part of her life that we don't see,

699
00:30:59,984 --> 00:31:02,344
Speaker 3: and there's so much that behind the scenes that isn't captured.

700
00:31:02,664 --> 00:31:04,784
Speaker 3: So I asked her about that, and the women have

701
00:31:04,944 --> 00:31:07,944
Speaker 3: a very intense response to it. So here is Glenn Close,

702
00:31:08,104 --> 00:31:11,064
Speaker 3: Kim Kardashian, and Nissi Nash So I wanted to start

703
00:31:11,104 --> 00:31:13,464
Speaker 3: off by asking this scens so much interest in the

704
00:31:13,584 --> 00:31:16,104
Speaker 3: cast of this show and people looking at the behind

705
00:31:16,104 --> 00:31:18,344
Speaker 3: the scenes videos and seeing you all the red carpet

706
00:31:18,344 --> 00:31:20,544
Speaker 3: on the premiere last night, and Nisi, I saw a

707
00:31:20,624 --> 00:31:22,504
Speaker 3: quote from you where you said that you all had

708
00:31:22,504 --> 00:31:24,344
Speaker 3: a lot of time to spend together and to dig

709
00:31:24,384 --> 00:31:26,544
Speaker 3: into each other's personal lives. So I wanted to ask

710
00:31:26,624 --> 00:31:29,464
Speaker 3: you working together, what's the most interesting thing you learned

711
00:31:29,464 --> 00:31:30,944
Speaker 3: about each other making the show?

712
00:31:31,744 --> 00:31:34,064
Speaker 2: Oh, I still have a lot to learn.

713
00:31:34,184 --> 00:31:37,504
Speaker 4: I always want, niece, and wanted to learn more about

714
00:31:37,784 --> 00:31:40,784
Speaker 4: the church that you grew up in. You know, those

715
00:31:40,824 --> 00:31:42,864
Speaker 4: are the stories there that I want to learn.

716
00:31:43,064 --> 00:31:45,264
Speaker 2: And oh girl, how much time you got out.

717
00:31:45,304 --> 00:31:47,784
Speaker 4: And you were talking today about going into your dad's

718
00:31:47,864 --> 00:31:51,464
Speaker 4: office and looking at stuff and from his trials, and.

719
00:31:51,584 --> 00:31:53,544
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I saw yeah later.

720
00:31:54,224 --> 00:31:54,464
Speaker 1: Yeah.

721
00:31:55,304 --> 00:32:00,784
Speaker 5: The one thing I learned is that Nissi has the juiciest,

722
00:32:00,904 --> 00:32:04,904
Speaker 5: spiciest life outside of of your set.

723
00:32:05,184 --> 00:32:08,624
Speaker 4: She lives big in such a wonderful way.

724
00:32:08,544 --> 00:32:13,144
Speaker 5: And it's just the happiest person and we are all

725
00:32:13,184 --> 00:32:19,624
Speaker 5: in awe of her private life. And yeah, so just

726
00:32:19,704 --> 00:32:22,744
Speaker 5: to live life and have fun was a really good lesson.

727
00:32:22,864 --> 00:32:25,784
Speaker 5: She makes me, she makes all of us want to

728
00:32:25,824 --> 00:32:30,264
Speaker 5: just have a little bit more spicy fun on the side, Okay,

729
00:32:30,424 --> 00:32:35,464
Speaker 5: love should, but I'll take that because it's probably true.

730
00:32:35,704 --> 00:32:36,744
Speaker 2: It's very true.

731
00:32:37,384 --> 00:32:39,024
Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you all a little bit about

732
00:32:39,024 --> 00:32:41,184
Speaker 3: the themes of the show, because Glenn, there's this great

733
00:32:41,224 --> 00:32:43,144
Speaker 3: line from your character in the trailer, which is all

734
00:32:43,144 --> 00:32:44,664
Speaker 3: we've got to see, because this has been very much

735
00:32:44,704 --> 00:32:47,704
Speaker 3: Underlock and Key, where your character says that men are

736
00:32:47,784 --> 00:32:50,584
Speaker 3: terrified of women in power, and I love that as

737
00:32:50,584 --> 00:32:52,224
Speaker 3: a theme of the show. So I wanted to ask

738
00:32:52,264 --> 00:32:54,864
Speaker 3: you all, as very powerful women in your industry, if

739
00:32:54,904 --> 00:32:57,344
Speaker 3: that has been your experience and how you've all sort

740
00:32:57,384 --> 00:32:59,384
Speaker 3: of regained your power in this industry.

741
00:33:00,064 --> 00:33:02,904
Speaker 5: I don't know if men are I think they are

742
00:33:03,064 --> 00:33:05,984
Speaker 5: terrified of women in power, but it's more that I

743
00:33:05,984 --> 00:33:08,464
Speaker 5: don't know if it's like the women in power. I

744
00:33:08,504 --> 00:33:11,504
Speaker 5: think they're just don't want to ever give up their power,

745
00:33:11,544 --> 00:33:16,944
Speaker 5: no matter who it's to. So and they're definitely not

746
00:33:16,984 --> 00:33:20,424
Speaker 5: going to be beat out by a woman ego wise,

747
00:33:20,504 --> 00:33:21,184
Speaker 5: I think so.

748
00:33:22,624 --> 00:33:24,384
Speaker 3: But we don't have any of those problems here.

749
00:33:24,504 --> 00:33:27,824
Speaker 4: There was a study made of women in power and

750
00:33:28,344 --> 00:33:32,544
Speaker 4: asking women and men about the women that the leaders

751
00:33:32,664 --> 00:33:36,144
Speaker 4: the quality that they felt most compelling, and both men

752
00:33:36,184 --> 00:33:39,624
Speaker 4: and women said a very feminine woman who does who

753
00:33:39,664 --> 00:33:48,424
Speaker 4: isn't strident. Hmm, I'm not sure. I think that's more traditional. Yeah, well,

754
00:33:48,464 --> 00:33:53,264
Speaker 4: this the show is a lot yeah yeah.

755
00:33:52,784 --> 00:33:56,744
Speaker 5: And there really aren't many male you know, there isn't

756
00:33:56,744 --> 00:33:59,704
Speaker 5: a male lead cast on this show. So it is

757
00:33:59,744 --> 00:34:03,424
Speaker 5: all about women power and building each other up. And

758
00:34:03,424 --> 00:34:07,584
Speaker 5: and I think our law firm doesn't really care about

759
00:34:07,784 --> 00:34:09,464
Speaker 5: the men in power that are going to come and

760
00:34:09,504 --> 00:34:11,464
Speaker 5: try to take that from us, because they're not. It's

761
00:34:11,504 --> 00:34:15,464
Speaker 5: all about us and building each other up and building

762
00:34:15,584 --> 00:34:18,304
Speaker 5: up the women that they have wronged and these divorces.

763
00:34:18,744 --> 00:34:20,984
Speaker 4: I mean, it's very apropos because I think there's a

764
00:34:20,984 --> 00:34:23,744
Speaker 4: lot of misuse of power out in the world today.

765
00:34:24,344 --> 00:34:26,064
Speaker 4: And as so, how you use your power?

766
00:34:26,824 --> 00:34:29,144
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's a very interesting way to look at it.

767
00:34:29,344 --> 00:34:31,024
Speaker 3: And Kim, I wanted to ask you a little bit

768
00:34:31,024 --> 00:34:33,744
Speaker 3: about your experience of preparing for this role and you'll

769
00:34:33,784 --> 00:34:36,504
Speaker 3: move into acting, because I think that anyone who has

770
00:34:36,584 --> 00:34:39,304
Speaker 3: watched your shows or follows you on social we've heard

771
00:34:39,384 --> 00:34:42,344
Speaker 3: mentioned over the years of you having like fifteen hour

772
00:34:42,424 --> 00:34:44,264
Speaker 3: days and then going and working with an acting coach

773
00:34:44,304 --> 00:34:46,864
Speaker 3: and doing all this prep behind the scenes. So I

774
00:34:46,904 --> 00:34:49,144
Speaker 3: wanted to ask you how you prepared for this big

775
00:34:49,224 --> 00:34:53,064
Speaker 3: leading role and what the audiences who tune into your

776
00:34:53,064 --> 00:34:54,144
Speaker 3: life what they haven't seen.

777
00:34:54,824 --> 00:34:57,824
Speaker 5: Yeah, I worked with an acting coach, Nancy Banks, and

778
00:34:57,904 --> 00:35:00,744
Speaker 5: when I was working, I think I filmed something. I

779
00:35:00,824 --> 00:35:03,304
Speaker 5: was filming American horror story and then when we were

780
00:35:03,344 --> 00:35:06,304
Speaker 5: done at midnight, I was filming my show. But we

781
00:35:06,424 --> 00:35:09,264
Speaker 5: got on a zoom with my acting coach at midnight

782
00:35:09,264 --> 00:35:11,704
Speaker 5: and I had to rush back to do that. So

783
00:35:12,424 --> 00:35:14,464
Speaker 5: I still did that. You know, we'd film long days

784
00:35:14,504 --> 00:35:16,144
Speaker 5: and then when we were done, I would always make

785
00:35:16,184 --> 00:35:18,424
Speaker 5: sure that I was prepped the next day with her

786
00:35:18,744 --> 00:35:21,624
Speaker 5: just over the phone. But I think the best lessons

787
00:35:21,944 --> 00:35:24,544
Speaker 5: you know that you can learn and acting is what

788
00:35:24,584 --> 00:35:27,344
Speaker 5: you're watching and who you surround yourself with. So I

789
00:35:27,464 --> 00:35:30,544
Speaker 5: was really blessed to be able to work with women

790
00:35:30,704 --> 00:35:34,104
Speaker 5: that are the top in this field, and just to

791
00:35:34,144 --> 00:35:36,584
Speaker 5: see them every single day, I would learn more and more.

792
00:35:36,904 --> 00:35:40,144
Speaker 5: But what I do know, no matter what field I

793
00:35:40,224 --> 00:35:42,944
Speaker 5: was coming into or arena I was stepping into, I

794
00:35:43,024 --> 00:35:46,264
Speaker 5: know about discipline and how to be professional and how

795
00:35:46,304 --> 00:35:48,104
Speaker 5: to be on time, and how to make sure that

796
00:35:48,144 --> 00:35:51,344
Speaker 5: I'm prepared and know my lines. And that was important

797
00:35:51,384 --> 00:35:54,184
Speaker 5: to me that I made sure that all of those

798
00:35:54,264 --> 00:35:57,864
Speaker 5: were in my control, and then when I was on set,

799
00:35:58,264 --> 00:36:00,384
Speaker 5: just do the best that you can, and you have

800
00:36:00,464 --> 00:36:03,704
Speaker 5: great people whispering in your ear how to do things

801
00:36:03,744 --> 00:36:05,304
Speaker 5: a little bit differently when you need to.

802
00:36:05,384 --> 00:36:05,784
Speaker 2: Let you know.

803
00:36:05,864 --> 00:36:09,704
Speaker 7: What I would tell you is that if someone saw

804
00:36:09,744 --> 00:36:13,664
Speaker 7: you doing that on your show, it wasn't fluff. Whoever

805
00:36:13,784 --> 00:36:16,104
Speaker 7: saw it, I don't want you to think that, oh,

806
00:36:16,184 --> 00:36:18,464
Speaker 7: this is something that they feelm for Behind the scenes.

807
00:36:18,744 --> 00:36:21,304
Speaker 2: I have literally seen this woman.

808
00:36:21,344 --> 00:36:24,864
Speaker 7: With a baby on FaceTime, a computer running the business,

809
00:36:24,984 --> 00:36:28,824
Speaker 7: a law book, a script, flash cards, all the things.

810
00:36:29,104 --> 00:36:31,384
Speaker 2: We get off late at night, and she's like, oh.

811
00:36:31,264 --> 00:36:33,584
Speaker 7: Well, I'm gonna have my acting class while I'm in

812
00:36:33,624 --> 00:36:34,144
Speaker 7: the car.

813
00:36:34,544 --> 00:36:35,704
Speaker 2: I'm gonna That's why I would do it.

814
00:36:35,744 --> 00:36:38,904
Speaker 5: And I know it was an hour ride home every night,

815
00:36:38,944 --> 00:36:40,984
Speaker 5: so I would do it every night, no matter what time.

816
00:36:41,144 --> 00:36:43,184
Speaker 5: She would be there for me and we would do

817
00:36:43,704 --> 00:36:46,104
Speaker 5: the next day's work for that hour on the car

818
00:36:46,184 --> 00:36:46,584
Speaker 5: right home.

819
00:36:46,744 --> 00:36:49,384
Speaker 7: Yeah, so that's not falling it in.

820
00:36:49,504 --> 00:36:52,784
Speaker 3: This is the real deal. Yes, well, we can very

821
00:36:52,864 --> 00:36:55,104
Speaker 3: much see it. I think from the teases and performances

822
00:36:55,144 --> 00:36:57,024
Speaker 3: we've seen. I think that is all we have time for.

823
00:36:57,184 --> 00:36:58,984
Speaker 3: But it's been so wonderful to talk to you all,

824
00:36:59,064 --> 00:37:01,384
Speaker 3: and we are so excited to the show here in

825
00:37:01,424 --> 00:37:03,544
Speaker 3: Australia and to see the full thing. So thank you,

826
00:37:03,544 --> 00:37:05,144
Speaker 3: thank you.

827
00:37:05,904 --> 00:37:08,664
Speaker 2: It was an interesting response. It was a bit defensive,

828
00:37:08,704 --> 00:37:11,824
Speaker 2: and I understand why they were because they probably just

829
00:37:11,864 --> 00:37:14,704
Speaker 2: want to like protect their friend or their colleague now

830
00:37:14,744 --> 00:37:15,264
Speaker 2: on this show.

831
00:37:15,464 --> 00:37:17,264
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was interesting, and it's one of those things

832
00:37:17,264 --> 00:37:18,944
Speaker 3: where you do wish it for more time, you could

833
00:37:18,984 --> 00:37:21,424
Speaker 3: explain the question more because what I was trying to

834
00:37:21,464 --> 00:37:23,264
Speaker 3: get at was that I have watched a lot of

835
00:37:23,264 --> 00:37:25,744
Speaker 3: the Kardashians. It's a reality show that I not only

836
00:37:25,744 --> 00:37:27,744
Speaker 3: watched for work. I mean both keeping up with the

837
00:37:27,784 --> 00:37:30,784
Speaker 3: Kardashians and the Kardashians, the two iterations. I watch it

838
00:37:30,784 --> 00:37:32,864
Speaker 3: for work, but I think it's the only reality show

839
00:37:32,904 --> 00:37:35,264
Speaker 3: I would watch even if it wasn't my job. And

840
00:37:35,464 --> 00:37:38,304
Speaker 3: I've watched hundreds of hours of it at this point.

841
00:37:38,424 --> 00:37:39,944
Speaker 3: And so when I was setting up for the interview,

842
00:37:39,984 --> 00:37:42,544
Speaker 3: I thought, what do I remember about Kim Kardashian from

843
00:37:42,544 --> 00:37:45,264
Speaker 3: those hundreds of episodes, And it came to me that

844
00:37:45,384 --> 00:37:48,304
Speaker 3: scene where she had worked twenty something hours and she

845
00:37:48,424 --> 00:37:50,184
Speaker 3: had to be up at like three am, and then

846
00:37:50,304 --> 00:37:53,744
Speaker 3: she went online and did this big acting lesson with

847
00:37:53,824 --> 00:37:55,424
Speaker 3: her coach, and I was just like, you just don't

848
00:37:55,464 --> 00:37:57,624
Speaker 3: have to do that, Like you already have everything, you

849
00:37:57,664 --> 00:37:59,824
Speaker 3: don't need to do that. But I can't imagine having

850
00:37:59,824 --> 00:38:03,024
Speaker 3: that level of like drive and dedications. So I asked

851
00:38:03,064 --> 00:38:04,744
Speaker 3: her about that, and I think one of the reasons

852
00:38:04,824 --> 00:38:08,184
Speaker 3: why they had Nissi in particular, I had a very

853
00:38:08,224 --> 00:38:11,424
Speaker 3: strong response is Ever since all women signed onto this

854
00:38:11,504 --> 00:38:14,384
Speaker 3: project and they filmed the show, the one question they

855
00:38:14,464 --> 00:38:17,384
Speaker 3: all have been asked is what was Kim Kardashian's like

856
00:38:17,504 --> 00:38:20,064
Speaker 3: work ethic like, not like what was she like as

857
00:38:20,104 --> 00:38:22,384
Speaker 3: a person, even though they've been asked that, not what

858
00:38:22,464 --> 00:38:24,944
Speaker 3: her acting was like, but this it's like everyone was

859
00:38:25,064 --> 00:38:28,344
Speaker 3: hunting for this headline what she was difficult, that she

860
00:38:28,424 --> 00:38:30,984
Speaker 3: wasn't prepared, that she wasn't good, and they just didn't

861
00:38:30,984 --> 00:38:33,264
Speaker 3: get it. And so now they've been a bit kind

862
00:38:33,304 --> 00:38:35,384
Speaker 3: of very like powerfully responding to it.

863
00:38:35,744 --> 00:38:37,664
Speaker 2: And I think that's fair and it's interesting because I

864
00:38:37,704 --> 00:38:40,984
Speaker 2: actually my initial response was, oh, God, Kim's acting, But

865
00:38:41,544 --> 00:38:44,024
Speaker 2: I think maybe we need to just give her a

866
00:38:44,064 --> 00:38:47,624
Speaker 2: little bit of an opportunity, and she does work very hard.

867
00:38:47,704 --> 00:38:50,464
Speaker 2: Say what you will about all of their businesses and

868
00:38:50,464 --> 00:38:54,904
Speaker 2: what they've done. The success of her quote unquote empire

869
00:38:55,224 --> 00:38:57,624
Speaker 2: is off the back of her working hard. Whether you

870
00:38:58,064 --> 00:39:00,944
Speaker 2: like the stuff that she puts out or not, she

871
00:39:01,184 --> 00:39:03,864
Speaker 2: is clearly a hard worker. But the fact that she's

872
00:39:03,904 --> 00:39:06,024
Speaker 2: doing a full day and then getting in the car

873
00:39:06,064 --> 00:39:08,144
Speaker 2: and then doing an acting class on the way home

874
00:39:08,704 --> 00:39:10,864
Speaker 2: after a full day of working like that, you would

875
00:39:10,864 --> 00:39:13,424
Speaker 2: be so sapped of energy to then go and raid

876
00:39:13,464 --> 00:39:15,744
Speaker 2: your next pages and work further in the car and

877
00:39:15,744 --> 00:39:19,944
Speaker 2: the way back. I imagine energy wise, that would be quite draining.

878
00:39:20,144 --> 00:39:21,664
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I just thought that that was kind of

879
00:39:21,664 --> 00:39:24,944
Speaker 3: an interesting insights also how long this process has been

880
00:39:25,264 --> 00:39:28,584
Speaker 3: in the works and just the dynamic between them all.

881
00:39:28,664 --> 00:39:31,464
Speaker 3: And Yeah, it's also interesting how good Kim is at

882
00:39:31,504 --> 00:39:34,104
Speaker 3: being guarded in videos like that moment where Glenn Close

883
00:39:34,224 --> 00:39:35,904
Speaker 3: is like the stuff you found in your dad's office

884
00:39:35,904 --> 00:39:37,504
Speaker 3: and she's like, yeah, I'll tell about it later, like

885
00:39:37,584 --> 00:39:40,824
Speaker 3: completely keeping it off camera, Like she's so focused on

886
00:39:40,864 --> 00:39:43,224
Speaker 3: what she shares and what she wants to share. It's

887
00:39:43,264 --> 00:39:46,064
Speaker 3: almost I noticed during the interview that often Glenn Close

888
00:39:46,144 --> 00:39:48,064
Speaker 3: and Nissi Nash, both women who have been in the

889
00:39:48,064 --> 00:39:50,424
Speaker 3: industry for so long and who have done. So many

890
00:39:50,464 --> 00:39:53,104
Speaker 3: interviews look to her before they spoke, or looked to

891
00:39:53,144 --> 00:39:56,304
Speaker 3: her before they sort of delved into a topic. And

892
00:39:56,344 --> 00:39:59,384
Speaker 3: I think it is because she was like not stage managing,

893
00:39:59,384 --> 00:40:00,744
Speaker 3: but she's used to being a producer.

894
00:40:00,904 --> 00:40:03,664
Speaker 2: She's also used to being in control of what parts

895
00:40:03,704 --> 00:40:04,624
Speaker 2: of her life up.

896
00:40:04,664 --> 00:40:06,584
Speaker 3: She's got on an editor, I say, yeah.

897
00:40:06,544 --> 00:40:09,424
Speaker 2: And people know about her personal life more so she

898
00:40:09,464 --> 00:40:11,104
Speaker 2: has to be more guarded. He has to have all

899
00:40:11,144 --> 00:40:16,464
Speaker 2: of these things to say, can dances effectively? Whereas Glenn Close.

900
00:40:16,544 --> 00:40:19,104
Speaker 2: I mean, yes, you may know about her personal life,

901
00:40:19,144 --> 00:40:21,504
Speaker 2: but you're asking her about her performance, you're asking her

902
00:40:21,504 --> 00:40:23,904
Speaker 2: about the show. You're asking her about They knew, and

903
00:40:23,904 --> 00:40:25,944
Speaker 2: they're probably getting sick of. It's actually quite nice to

904
00:40:25,984 --> 00:40:28,424
Speaker 2: see them be not for you. I know, it wasn't

905
00:40:28,584 --> 00:40:30,704
Speaker 2: nice for you to feel like they would be. It's

906
00:40:30,744 --> 00:40:33,864
Speaker 2: like they were protecting her and they wanted to be like,

907
00:40:33,944 --> 00:40:35,664
Speaker 2: she's working really hard.

908
00:40:36,104 --> 00:40:37,584
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and that's the funny thing.

909
00:40:37,664 --> 00:40:38,384
Speaker 2: She's sweet.

910
00:40:38,544 --> 00:40:40,064
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was such a great response. It

911
00:40:40,104 --> 00:40:42,144
Speaker 3: wasn't until the sort of like the camera had turned

912
00:40:42,144 --> 00:40:43,984
Speaker 3: off and I had a second to process what had happened.

913
00:40:44,024 --> 00:40:46,144
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, did they think I

914
00:40:46,304 --> 00:40:48,624
Speaker 3: was inferring she wasn't a hard worker, and I was like,

915
00:40:48,744 --> 00:40:50,224
Speaker 3: maybe I should have yelled out, Oh, by the way,

916
00:40:50,264 --> 00:40:53,504
Speaker 3: I'm a fan. Yeah, I'm not a fan. Lightly, I'm

917
00:40:53,504 --> 00:40:55,664
Speaker 3: not a fan of that many people, but I'm a

918
00:40:55,704 --> 00:40:57,704
Speaker 3: fan of Kim Kardashian. I think she's got a really

919
00:40:57,984 --> 00:41:00,304
Speaker 3: she's carved out a really unique place in pop culture.

920
00:41:00,344 --> 00:41:03,384
Speaker 2: And see and Glenn and Kim, if you're listening, Laura

921
00:41:03,584 --> 00:41:06,344
Speaker 2: didn't mean it like that.

922
00:41:06,344 --> 00:41:08,824
Speaker 3: That's just something old sture over. If there's one not

923
00:41:08,864 --> 00:41:10,544
Speaker 3: that I had a bad interaction with her, but if

924
00:41:10,544 --> 00:41:11,744
Speaker 3: there's one person you don't want to have a bad

925
00:41:11,744 --> 00:41:13,944
Speaker 3: interaction with, is Kim Kardashiing. Because don't know if you

926
00:41:13,944 --> 00:41:15,584
Speaker 3: felt this, If you have a bout interview with someone,

927
00:41:15,784 --> 00:41:17,704
Speaker 3: every time you see their face somewhere, oh yeah, it's

928
00:41:17,744 --> 00:41:20,304
Speaker 3: so bad, it jolts you back to it. You're like, oh, damn,

929
00:41:20,304 --> 00:41:22,704
Speaker 3: that's right, that awkward into you I had. But Kim

930
00:41:22,744 --> 00:41:25,304
Speaker 3: Kardashian's face is everywhere. I'm never going to escape her.

931
00:41:25,424 --> 00:41:28,944
Speaker 2: So accidentally say something or your mouth gets twisted or

932
00:41:28,984 --> 00:41:30,024
Speaker 2: you say something wrong.

933
00:41:30,144 --> 00:41:31,664
Speaker 3: I don't want how to think that, but I'm sure. Look.

934
00:41:31,744 --> 00:41:33,864
Speaker 3: She ended the interview by being like, we love Australia,

935
00:41:34,024 --> 00:41:36,384
Speaker 3: so it was all It's all fine, guys, the country

936
00:41:36,384 --> 00:41:38,344
Speaker 3: of Australia is safe. I didn't give us all a

937
00:41:38,344 --> 00:41:41,024
Speaker 3: bad name. So that is our interviews or with the

938
00:41:41,064 --> 00:41:44,264
Speaker 3: cast of All's Fair. So All's Fair is out today

939
00:41:44,384 --> 00:41:47,424
Speaker 3: on Disney Plus. We have new episodes dropping weekly and

940
00:41:47,464 --> 00:41:49,304
Speaker 3: after all the height for this show, I'm so excited

941
00:41:49,344 --> 00:41:51,224
Speaker 3: to see how it actually plays out. I'm sure we'll

942
00:41:51,264 --> 00:41:52,944
Speaker 3: talk more about the show as we get to watch

943
00:41:52,944 --> 00:41:56,304
Speaker 3: all the different storylines and cameo is unfold. But yeah,

944
00:41:56,304 --> 00:41:57,824
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm so here for this show.

945
00:41:57,944 --> 00:42:00,704
Speaker 2: I'm actually really excited to see her in this. I

946
00:42:00,704 --> 00:42:01,784
Speaker 2: have a good feeling about it.

947
00:42:01,984 --> 00:42:02,664
Speaker 3: Yes, me too.

948
00:42:02,944 --> 00:42:05,344
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to The Spill today, guys,

949
00:42:05,344 --> 00:42:07,784
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950
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951
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952
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