1 00:00:11,464 --> 00:00:16,024 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges 2 00:00:16,144 --> 00:00:19,624 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and borders that this podcast 3 00:00:19,704 --> 00:00:20,664 Speaker 1: is recorded. 4 00:00:20,304 --> 00:00:27,824 Speaker 2: On from MoMA Mia. Welcome to the Spill, your daily 5 00:00:27,864 --> 00:00:30,904 Speaker 2: pop culture fix. I'm mem Burnham and I'm Laura Brodneck. 6 00:00:31,384 --> 00:00:34,424 Speaker 1: And on the show today, a recent scene from a 7 00:00:34,464 --> 00:00:37,944 Speaker 1: new episode of The Kardashian is going viral and a 8 00:00:37,944 --> 00:00:41,024 Speaker 1: lot of people having sympathy for Kylie Jenner. But there's 9 00:00:41,024 --> 00:00:42,624 Speaker 1: a bigger story here and I think we're going to 10 00:00:42,704 --> 00:00:43,944 Speaker 1: have to go the other way. 11 00:00:44,344 --> 00:00:47,384 Speaker 2: Yeah, but first, but first, we have some breaking news. 12 00:00:47,504 --> 00:00:50,584 Speaker 2: We have confirmation that there will be a new Freaky 13 00:00:50,584 --> 00:00:53,864 Speaker 2: Friday film with the original lead actors coming out next year. 14 00:00:54,224 --> 00:00:55,424 Speaker 3: Hi, everyone's out to get me. 15 00:00:55,464 --> 00:01:00,104 Speaker 1: You're ruining my life. Oh, I'm like the crypt keeper. Yeah, 16 00:01:00,144 --> 00:01:03,424 Speaker 1: we'll seem to you, dude, wife. 17 00:01:03,064 --> 00:01:05,344 Speaker 4: I mean I'm allowed because I'm old. 18 00:01:05,904 --> 00:01:09,344 Speaker 2: My boys, So Disney Studios posted on their social media 19 00:01:09,384 --> 00:01:12,944 Speaker 2: accounts photos and videos of Jamie Lee Curtis and Lindsay Lohan, 20 00:01:13,424 --> 00:01:16,904 Speaker 2: who will be reprising their roles as Anna and Tess Coleman, 21 00:01:17,104 --> 00:01:20,624 Speaker 2: twenty two years after the original film came out. Mark 22 00:01:20,704 --> 00:01:23,624 Speaker 2: Harmon and Chad Michael Murray will also be reprising their 23 00:01:23,704 --> 00:01:26,144 Speaker 2: roles one of my first crushes, Chad Michael Murray from 24 00:01:26,224 --> 00:01:29,944 Speaker 2: Cinderella Story. There are also some new additions that include 25 00:01:30,024 --> 00:01:32,504 Speaker 2: my Trey Rama Krishnin from Never Have I Ever and 26 00:01:32,544 --> 00:01:35,944 Speaker 2: Sophia Hammond's I don't know much about the actual premise 27 00:01:36,024 --> 00:01:38,904 Speaker 2: of this new film. So the original film had Lindsay 28 00:01:38,944 --> 00:01:42,664 Speaker 2: Lohan and Jamie Lee Curtis kind of like switch bodies. 29 00:01:42,384 --> 00:01:44,784 Speaker 1: Mother and daughter duo who are fighting the stage of 30 00:01:44,784 --> 00:01:47,664 Speaker 1: his life, get their bodies swapped and then learn to 31 00:01:47,744 --> 00:01:50,784 Speaker 1: appreciate each other. I think is the Disney tagline, learn. 32 00:01:50,704 --> 00:01:53,344 Speaker 2: To appreciate each other. With this new film, I've read 33 00:01:53,384 --> 00:01:56,624 Speaker 2: a premise where Lindsay Lohan's character Anna is a single 34 00:01:56,704 --> 00:01:59,704 Speaker 2: mom and her daughter is trying to be friends and 35 00:01:59,784 --> 00:02:01,624 Speaker 2: is feuding with another girl. So I think it's going 36 00:02:01,704 --> 00:02:03,384 Speaker 2: to focus mainly on her daughter. 37 00:02:03,984 --> 00:02:06,384 Speaker 1: Yes, So the premise that came out today was so 38 00:02:06,424 --> 00:02:08,864 Speaker 1: it's Lindsay Lohan's daughter and she's about to become a 39 00:02:08,864 --> 00:02:11,224 Speaker 1: step mom, I believe, which means her and Chad Michael 40 00:02:11,304 --> 00:02:14,704 Speaker 1: Murray rap their relationship didn't work out this time around, 41 00:02:14,744 --> 00:02:15,224 Speaker 1: so I want if. 42 00:02:15,184 --> 00:02:17,384 Speaker 2: She's to end up again together at the end. 43 00:02:17,584 --> 00:02:20,264 Speaker 1: Well maybe, but Lindsay Lowan's Anna character is going to 44 00:02:20,304 --> 00:02:22,384 Speaker 1: become a stepmom and is also feuding with her daughter, 45 00:02:22,504 --> 00:02:25,944 Speaker 1: So apparently there's an intergenerational plot twist where I wonder 46 00:02:25,944 --> 00:02:27,504 Speaker 1: if they're all gonna body swap again. 47 00:02:27,664 --> 00:02:30,424 Speaker 2: God, yeah, I definitely want to see another spot between 48 00:02:30,864 --> 00:02:32,544 Speaker 2: Lindsay and Jamie Lee Curtis. 49 00:02:32,584 --> 00:02:34,904 Speaker 1: I've got to say, like, I understand that this movie 50 00:02:34,944 --> 00:02:37,344 Speaker 1: is beloved and people have been very invested in a 51 00:02:37,384 --> 00:02:39,824 Speaker 1: sequel for a really long time, and I understand, from 52 00:02:39,864 --> 00:02:42,584 Speaker 1: like a cinema marketing point of view, it's a good 53 00:02:42,584 --> 00:02:45,624 Speaker 1: time to do it because Jamie Lee Curtis is writing 54 00:02:45,744 --> 00:02:47,624 Speaker 1: on such a high from the last couple of years 55 00:02:47,664 --> 00:02:50,544 Speaker 1: with everything everywhere all at once, winning the Oscar for 56 00:02:50,624 --> 00:02:53,464 Speaker 1: that also the last movie in the Halloween franchise, and 57 00:02:53,464 --> 00:02:56,464 Speaker 1: people becoming so invested in her in an actress, and 58 00:02:56,624 --> 00:02:59,304 Speaker 1: also Lindsay Lohan has made a return to acting. She's 59 00:02:59,304 --> 00:03:01,584 Speaker 1: a mom now, she seems to kind of work through 60 00:03:01,584 --> 00:03:03,544 Speaker 1: a lot of the things she went through in her 61 00:03:03,624 --> 00:03:06,024 Speaker 1: early twenties and has talked about wanting to make this 62 00:03:06,064 --> 00:03:08,944 Speaker 1: big comeback as an actress, and they have been friends 63 00:03:08,984 --> 00:03:11,384 Speaker 1: for a really long time, through everything that they've gone 64 00:03:11,424 --> 00:03:13,744 Speaker 1: through in their careers and their lives. So I understand 65 00:03:13,744 --> 00:03:16,504 Speaker 1: like the nostolgia around that. I just don't know. And 66 00:03:16,584 --> 00:03:18,664 Speaker 1: I realized this is a very hypocritical thing to say, 67 00:03:18,744 --> 00:03:21,264 Speaker 1: because I was all for a sequel to Practical Magic 68 00:03:21,344 --> 00:03:21,784 Speaker 1: the other day. 69 00:03:21,824 --> 00:03:22,664 Speaker 2: You're a big fan of that. 70 00:03:22,744 --> 00:03:24,104 Speaker 1: Well, I just think that that feels like there's a 71 00:03:24,144 --> 00:03:26,584 Speaker 1: lot of story left to tell because that story ended, 72 00:03:26,584 --> 00:03:28,184 Speaker 1: and you're like, I just want to know what happens 73 00:03:28,224 --> 00:03:30,984 Speaker 1: next with these characters, whereas this felt it was all 74 00:03:31,064 --> 00:03:33,304 Speaker 1: kind of ended in a nice little bow and so 75 00:03:33,584 --> 00:03:35,904 Speaker 1: I don't not do me got. 76 00:03:35,784 --> 00:03:38,384 Speaker 2: Bodies and they're just like, well that happened, Yeah, I 77 00:03:38,424 --> 00:03:38,784 Speaker 2: love you. 78 00:03:38,864 --> 00:03:40,704 Speaker 1: And then they were all happy and the mum got 79 00:03:40,704 --> 00:03:42,864 Speaker 1: married and it was all nice, and I just don't know. 80 00:03:43,184 --> 00:03:46,024 Speaker 1: I don't know. It'll so depend on the script if 81 00:03:46,024 --> 00:03:48,144 Speaker 1: this is going to land. It's like when hocus Pocus 82 00:03:48,184 --> 00:03:50,064 Speaker 1: Too came out, everyone like this is lame. It's made 83 00:03:50,104 --> 00:03:51,064 Speaker 1: me hate the first movie. 84 00:03:51,144 --> 00:03:53,344 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're right, and I think hocus Pocus. A 85 00:03:53,384 --> 00:03:55,344 Speaker 2: big issue with that is, like what you said, the script, 86 00:03:55,424 --> 00:03:57,304 Speaker 2: where it was too many callbacks to the og. 87 00:03:57,544 --> 00:04:00,264 Speaker 1: And just not nothing a rich attention and no new comedy, 88 00:04:00,344 --> 00:04:03,744 Speaker 1: and the characters just felt what caricatures of the first movie. 89 00:04:03,984 --> 00:04:06,304 Speaker 1: Maybe they won't happen this time, but I'm hope I'm wrong. 90 00:04:06,344 --> 00:04:09,104 Speaker 1: I'm just saying I'm excited, but cautious. 91 00:04:09,224 --> 00:04:13,104 Speaker 2: Twenty twenty five here, when the photos and videos came 92 00:04:13,144 --> 00:04:16,024 Speaker 2: out of them announcing that there will be a Freaky 93 00:04:16,064 --> 00:04:18,424 Speaker 2: Friday too, I went a bit insane and I posted 94 00:04:18,464 --> 00:04:21,944 Speaker 2: a clip onto this Bill Instagram podcast account. So if 95 00:04:21,944 --> 00:04:24,144 Speaker 2: you want a fangirl like me, head over to at 96 00:04:24,144 --> 00:04:25,544 Speaker 2: this Bill podcast Nana. 97 00:04:27,184 --> 00:04:28,424 Speaker 1: So there is a clip. 98 00:04:28,144 --> 00:04:31,744 Speaker 2: From a recent episode of The Kardashians on Disney Plus 99 00:04:31,744 --> 00:04:34,784 Speaker 2: that's going a bit viral. It's a scene with Kylie 100 00:04:34,824 --> 00:04:38,784 Speaker 2: and Kendall. They're sitting together and Kylie is getting really 101 00:04:38,824 --> 00:04:42,664 Speaker 2: emotional talking about all the commentary that's been happening around 102 00:04:42,704 --> 00:04:47,064 Speaker 2: her face recently. And by commentary I mean like really 103 00:04:47,184 --> 00:04:52,464 Speaker 2: highly critical comments, tweets, messages about her face and her 104 00:04:52,504 --> 00:04:56,184 Speaker 2: looks overall, and they're all super negative. Here's what she said. 105 00:04:56,424 --> 00:04:58,704 Speaker 3: Even if I did get so much surgery and I 106 00:04:58,704 --> 00:05:00,904 Speaker 3: have this and I got all these things, I still 107 00:05:00,944 --> 00:05:03,584 Speaker 3: don't think it's okay to talk about someone's looks. I agree. 108 00:05:03,784 --> 00:05:05,944 Speaker 3: People have been talking about my looks since I was 109 00:05:06,024 --> 00:05:09,304 Speaker 3: twelve thirteen, before I even got clip filler. You got 110 00:05:09,344 --> 00:05:13,104 Speaker 3: to talk about my looks. So it's like, and it's 111 00:05:13,144 --> 00:05:14,424 Speaker 3: just so horful. I look old. 112 00:05:14,464 --> 00:05:16,304 Speaker 4: I see it under every possible I'm not even just 113 00:05:16,344 --> 00:05:18,864 Speaker 4: saying this. You've never looked younger and you've never looked better. 114 00:05:18,984 --> 00:05:19,344 Speaker 4: Thank you. 115 00:05:21,024 --> 00:05:25,824 Speaker 3: I think that I'm really strong, and I was put 116 00:05:25,824 --> 00:05:28,664 Speaker 3: in this position for a reason. I do think of 117 00:05:28,704 --> 00:05:32,664 Speaker 3: myself as a confident person. I'm like so grateful, so 118 00:05:32,744 --> 00:05:35,224 Speaker 3: blessed that I can wake up and look in the 119 00:05:35,264 --> 00:05:38,144 Speaker 3: mirror and like like what I see and think that 120 00:05:38,184 --> 00:05:42,224 Speaker 3: I'm beautiful. I'm also human, and there's only so much 121 00:05:42,304 --> 00:05:43,304 Speaker 3: someone can take. 122 00:05:43,264 --> 00:05:46,344 Speaker 4: Considering we're not gonna change anyone's opinions or minds no 123 00:05:46,384 --> 00:05:48,304 Speaker 4: matter how much we talk about it. Everyone's gonna think 124 00:05:48,344 --> 00:05:50,624 Speaker 4: I've had a full facial reconstruction, and so of you, like, 125 00:05:50,704 --> 00:05:53,864 Speaker 4: nobody's gonna think differently. It's just like I think it's 126 00:05:53,904 --> 00:05:56,224 Speaker 4: become like our family's been you know, in the industry 127 00:05:56,224 --> 00:05:57,984 Speaker 4: for a long time, and it's never stopped. So I 128 00:05:58,024 --> 00:06:01,744 Speaker 4: think it's like, sadly, sadly it's something that we just 129 00:06:01,784 --> 00:06:04,384 Speaker 4: have to like really grow tough skin on. 130 00:06:05,384 --> 00:06:08,464 Speaker 1: It's interesting just as a small side, notry, how Kylie 131 00:06:08,464 --> 00:06:11,864 Speaker 1: says that that she's wished supposed to be. Because if 132 00:06:11,864 --> 00:06:14,224 Speaker 1: there's one thing that's clear from this new season of 133 00:06:14,264 --> 00:06:16,904 Speaker 1: the Kardashians, which is season five, coming off the back 134 00:06:16,944 --> 00:06:20,064 Speaker 1: of twenty something seasons of keeping Up with the Kardashians, 135 00:06:20,624 --> 00:06:23,624 Speaker 1: is that none of those people, with the exception of 136 00:06:23,864 --> 00:06:27,384 Speaker 1: Kim and potentially Chris, are really built for fame in 137 00:06:27,424 --> 00:06:30,304 Speaker 1: a way, which is why in this new season they 138 00:06:30,344 --> 00:06:32,984 Speaker 1: have regressed, like it makes it kind of like a 139 00:06:33,024 --> 00:06:35,064 Speaker 1: boring TV show to watch. But also if you look 140 00:06:35,104 --> 00:06:38,024 Speaker 1: at the second layer, it's quite sad that all they 141 00:06:38,064 --> 00:06:41,304 Speaker 1: talk about now is things that are normal, but it's 142 00:06:41,344 --> 00:06:44,144 Speaker 1: become a center of their storylines, like how anxious they are, 143 00:06:44,264 --> 00:06:46,944 Speaker 1: how scared they are of being outside, how nervous they 144 00:06:47,024 --> 00:06:49,584 Speaker 1: all are. And the only scenes we have really with 145 00:06:49,664 --> 00:06:52,784 Speaker 1: Kylie is when these really set up stage managed scenes 146 00:06:52,824 --> 00:06:55,464 Speaker 1: between her and Kendall as if they've never met before, 147 00:06:55,824 --> 00:06:57,544 Speaker 1: Like they always like this big thing of like we're 148 00:06:57,584 --> 00:06:59,664 Speaker 1: about to hang out, hope it's going to go well, 149 00:06:59,904 --> 00:07:01,864 Speaker 1: and afterwards they give like a little recap of Like, 150 00:07:01,904 --> 00:07:03,984 Speaker 1: I think that went well. I always enjoy seeing Kendall, like, 151 00:07:04,024 --> 00:07:06,104 Speaker 1: she's your sister, You're one year apart. Why are you 152 00:07:06,184 --> 00:07:07,664 Speaker 1: acting like you got seth on a blind date on 153 00:07:07,704 --> 00:07:10,544 Speaker 1: a TV show? And then they have these conversations that 154 00:07:10,584 --> 00:07:13,184 Speaker 1: are so stilted, and they keep looking at each other 155 00:07:13,264 --> 00:07:16,304 Speaker 1: and looking off camera because they're nervous about what they're saying, 156 00:07:16,464 --> 00:07:18,984 Speaker 1: so stilted about what people are saying about them, Like 157 00:07:19,024 --> 00:07:22,064 Speaker 1: that's what these women who live these big, huge, exciting 158 00:07:22,424 --> 00:07:25,384 Speaker 1: lives and also obviously a lot of judgment and commentary, 159 00:07:25,704 --> 00:07:28,024 Speaker 1: but that's what it's been reduced to, these little stage 160 00:07:28,024 --> 00:07:31,064 Speaker 1: managed scenes where they can sort of spit out these words, 161 00:07:31,064 --> 00:07:33,064 Speaker 1: and obviously, like the reason this one's gone a bit 162 00:07:33,144 --> 00:07:36,384 Speaker 1: viral is that Kylie Jenna has been such a closed 163 00:07:36,424 --> 00:07:40,104 Speaker 1: off background character in the recent seasons and seeing her 164 00:07:40,144 --> 00:07:43,624 Speaker 1: burst into tears over this and she's talking about photos 165 00:07:43,664 --> 00:07:45,864 Speaker 1: that circulated I think it was Paris Fashion Week because 166 00:07:45,864 --> 00:07:48,464 Speaker 1: this is obviously shot a long time ago where she 167 00:07:48,544 --> 00:07:51,464 Speaker 1: was shot in a particular light, and she did look old, 168 00:07:51,904 --> 00:07:54,344 Speaker 1: older than she is in her early twenties, and she's 169 00:07:54,384 --> 00:07:57,224 Speaker 1: getting upset because you know, she can't control the lighting 170 00:07:57,304 --> 00:07:59,344 Speaker 1: and how she looked and the commentary and all that 171 00:07:59,384 --> 00:08:01,664 Speaker 1: sort of thing. But like, it's not just what they're saying, 172 00:08:01,704 --> 00:08:04,304 Speaker 1: it's how the scene is filmed that makes it so troubling. 173 00:08:04,744 --> 00:08:07,664 Speaker 2: And I think the uprise of social media has become 174 00:08:07,704 --> 00:08:10,984 Speaker 2: so good at seeing celebrities raw, and like you have 175 00:08:11,064 --> 00:08:14,344 Speaker 2: Instagram accounts like celeb Face that just zoom in on 176 00:08:14,384 --> 00:08:17,144 Speaker 2: celebrities faces where you can see all the texture and 177 00:08:17,224 --> 00:08:19,824 Speaker 2: like how the light's hitting them and like literally every 178 00:08:19,864 --> 00:08:22,944 Speaker 2: crease on a face, which is my personal worst night. Yeah, same, 179 00:08:23,064 --> 00:08:24,744 Speaker 2: She's right, this has been going on for a really 180 00:08:24,744 --> 00:08:28,104 Speaker 2: long time. You'll see clips of her in public where 181 00:08:28,104 --> 00:08:31,304 Speaker 2: her stylists will like, tell all the photographers use flash, 182 00:08:31,344 --> 00:08:33,704 Speaker 2: like you're not taking photophone. Let's kind of splash to 183 00:08:33,744 --> 00:08:36,024 Speaker 2: blur it out. Yeah, so it has been going on 184 00:08:36,064 --> 00:08:37,744 Speaker 2: for a really long time. And she said herself, like 185 00:08:37,784 --> 00:08:41,224 Speaker 2: the commentary around her looks has started from when she 186 00:08:41,304 --> 00:08:43,784 Speaker 2: was twelve to thirteen, before she even got lip filler. 187 00:08:44,344 --> 00:08:47,784 Speaker 2: And I think what they're trying to do is like, 188 00:08:47,864 --> 00:08:50,464 Speaker 2: similar to what you're saying, they're trying to lean into 189 00:08:50,984 --> 00:08:53,264 Speaker 2: what the internet's saying about them to use that as 190 00:08:53,344 --> 00:08:56,304 Speaker 2: fresh content and answer it without actually having to answer 191 00:08:56,384 --> 00:08:59,624 Speaker 2: it publicly. And I think what she tried to do 192 00:08:59,704 --> 00:09:02,744 Speaker 2: here was to be really vulnerable, and she probably definitely 193 00:09:02,864 --> 00:09:05,504 Speaker 2: is Like imagine someone talking about your face since you 194 00:09:05,504 --> 00:09:08,024 Speaker 2: were pretty much a child. She was trying to lean 195 00:09:08,064 --> 00:09:10,464 Speaker 2: into that and see kind of like humanized herself in 196 00:09:10,504 --> 00:09:14,424 Speaker 2: that situation and a completely backfired. The commentary Now after 197 00:09:14,464 --> 00:09:17,184 Speaker 2: this clip has gone viral, feels like way worse than 198 00:09:17,184 --> 00:09:20,184 Speaker 2: what it has been before. And we've talked about Kardashians before, 199 00:09:20,224 --> 00:09:23,024 Speaker 2: they always film close to a year before the clips 200 00:09:23,024 --> 00:09:24,984 Speaker 2: come list, so now she has to relive this whole 201 00:09:25,024 --> 00:09:28,264 Speaker 2: situation again. I saw two tweets. One of them said, 202 00:09:28,664 --> 00:09:31,744 Speaker 2: Kylie Jenna has been selling teenage girls a distorted view 203 00:09:31,744 --> 00:09:34,704 Speaker 2: of their reality with her dieties and face and lip 204 00:09:34,744 --> 00:09:37,504 Speaker 2: injections for ten years, but now she's crying over it. 205 00:09:37,824 --> 00:09:40,784 Speaker 2: This girl made millions of destroying women's self esteem, and 206 00:09:40,824 --> 00:09:43,744 Speaker 2: now we're supposed to feel sorry for her. Someone else said, 207 00:09:44,184 --> 00:09:47,464 Speaker 2: a woman who single handedly destroyed young women center beauty 208 00:09:47,544 --> 00:09:50,624 Speaker 2: and body image standards is crying when people call her busted. 209 00:09:50,744 --> 00:09:54,464 Speaker 2: Question mark how many women got fillers or completely augmented 210 00:09:54,504 --> 00:09:57,184 Speaker 2: their bodies to mold to the standards of Kylie Jenna 211 00:09:57,584 --> 00:10:01,504 Speaker 2: zero sympathy. These, in my opinion, are really harsh tweets, 212 00:10:01,664 --> 00:10:05,224 Speaker 2: But it's kind of also true, and I think two 213 00:10:05,344 --> 00:10:07,744 Speaker 2: things can be true at the same time. That she 214 00:10:08,464 --> 00:10:11,104 Speaker 2: did uphold these massive beauties to and she's made so 215 00:10:11,304 --> 00:10:14,104 Speaker 2: much of it, especially the lip kits, but like she's 216 00:10:14,144 --> 00:10:16,544 Speaker 2: also a victim at the same time, like so many 217 00:10:16,584 --> 00:10:19,064 Speaker 2: people were talking about her lips when she would overline them, 218 00:10:19,504 --> 00:10:21,904 Speaker 2: and she said, well, everyone's talking about my lips. I'm 219 00:10:21,904 --> 00:10:23,504 Speaker 2: gonna make some money off it. I'm gonna make these 220 00:10:23,544 --> 00:10:26,104 Speaker 2: lip kits. I'm gonna make it a big thing. Thinking 221 00:10:26,264 --> 00:10:28,984 Speaker 2: I think people will stop, but they just kept going. 222 00:10:29,384 --> 00:10:31,824 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, yeah, it's a very layered conversation. There's 223 00:10:31,864 --> 00:10:34,304 Speaker 1: no like one definitive answer. But I do think what 224 00:10:34,344 --> 00:10:35,944 Speaker 1: you're touching on there with the lip kits is an 225 00:10:35,984 --> 00:10:39,024 Speaker 1: interesting thing because everyone kind of lauds her for being 226 00:10:39,064 --> 00:10:41,384 Speaker 1: a millionaire or a billionaire depending on who you ask, 227 00:10:41,504 --> 00:10:44,144 Speaker 1: not Forbes, because they obviously Riscin did her billionaire and 228 00:10:44,304 --> 00:10:47,584 Speaker 1: again and again and again. But she did make this 229 00:10:47,704 --> 00:10:50,904 Speaker 1: huge fortune through this makeup and cosmetics line, which is fine, 230 00:10:50,904 --> 00:10:52,624 Speaker 1: but so much at the heart of that was that 231 00:10:53,024 --> 00:10:55,424 Speaker 1: she had had that lip filler, and obviously there's a 232 00:10:55,464 --> 00:10:57,704 Speaker 1: lot of back and forth around the timeline like when 233 00:10:57,704 --> 00:10:59,104 Speaker 1: did she get it? Did she get it before or 234 00:10:59,144 --> 00:11:01,064 Speaker 1: after the you know, the lip kits came out, and 235 00:11:01,104 --> 00:11:04,184 Speaker 1: there's a lot of blurriness there. But basically got cosmetic 236 00:11:04,264 --> 00:11:07,224 Speaker 1: surgery to look a certain way and promoted that and 237 00:11:07,264 --> 00:11:09,744 Speaker 1: then made a huge amount of money from selling these 238 00:11:09,744 --> 00:11:12,824 Speaker 1: lip kits so that particularly really young women who were 239 00:11:12,864 --> 00:11:17,744 Speaker 1: her core audience at that time, could emulate this. I 240 00:11:17,744 --> 00:11:19,584 Speaker 1: bought three and put some filler in there. 241 00:11:19,744 --> 00:11:22,384 Speaker 2: I would overline my lips like crazy, and I was like, 242 00:11:22,464 --> 00:11:23,784 Speaker 2: why don't I look like Kylie Jen? 243 00:11:23,864 --> 00:11:25,904 Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm talking of a game over 244 00:11:25,904 --> 00:11:27,104 Speaker 1: here there. And the reason I didn't do that is 245 00:11:27,104 --> 00:11:29,024 Speaker 1: I couldn't figure out how I would definitely do that 246 00:11:29,144 --> 00:11:29,744 Speaker 1: if I could. 247 00:11:29,984 --> 00:11:32,784 Speaker 2: Many YouTube to two oreos coming up next, we are 248 00:11:32,824 --> 00:11:35,464 Speaker 2: talking about the bigger issue with the Kardashian family. 249 00:11:37,624 --> 00:11:40,584 Speaker 1: So what became really clear during this episode in particular, 250 00:11:40,904 --> 00:11:43,624 Speaker 1: is that one of the biggest storylines was meant to 251 00:11:43,664 --> 00:11:46,384 Speaker 1: be around these women getting judged, and Kendall really weighed 252 00:11:46,424 --> 00:11:49,624 Speaker 1: into it too, about their physicality and how unfair it 253 00:11:49,744 --> 00:11:52,264 Speaker 1: is and it's something that like Chloe Kardashian has brought 254 00:11:52,344 --> 00:11:55,024 Speaker 1: up a huge amount, especially in this season, about how 255 00:11:55,064 --> 00:11:56,704 Speaker 1: and the last season two with when she was going 256 00:11:56,744 --> 00:11:58,464 Speaker 1: to the Metgala all that sort of stuff, that how 257 00:11:58,504 --> 00:12:00,104 Speaker 1: she feels that she can't even step out of the 258 00:12:00,104 --> 00:12:04,144 Speaker 1: house without her appearance being critiqued. Courtney Kardashian has also 259 00:12:04,184 --> 00:12:06,784 Speaker 1: had that two, particularly through the early stages of her 260 00:12:06,824 --> 00:12:10,224 Speaker 1: pregnancy and doing fertility treatments and her saying that she 261 00:12:10,584 --> 00:12:12,984 Speaker 1: comments about people judging her body and all that sort 262 00:12:13,024 --> 00:12:15,304 Speaker 1: of thing. So it's been a huge thing. But once 263 00:12:15,344 --> 00:12:17,904 Speaker 1: you pick up on it, what is so jarring when 264 00:12:17,944 --> 00:12:21,944 Speaker 1: watching this episode is how much they talk about all 265 00:12:22,024 --> 00:12:24,504 Speaker 1: the things that they cannot or will never do in 266 00:12:24,544 --> 00:12:28,104 Speaker 1: their lives because of how they look. And once you 267 00:12:28,184 --> 00:12:31,184 Speaker 1: hear that, it's such a darring thing because they're saying, like, 268 00:12:31,224 --> 00:12:33,304 Speaker 1: don't judge people on their looks, but then in the 269 00:12:33,304 --> 00:12:35,624 Speaker 1: same breath they're saying, but everything we do is about 270 00:12:35,664 --> 00:12:39,184 Speaker 1: looking a particular way, and therefore we're making this impossible 271 00:12:39,184 --> 00:12:41,984 Speaker 1: beauty standard that we've created for ourselves and everyone around 272 00:12:42,064 --> 00:12:44,184 Speaker 1: us that we can't even live up to. Like they're 273 00:12:44,224 --> 00:12:46,384 Speaker 1: going to the Blenciaga Show in the first part of 274 00:12:46,424 --> 00:12:48,744 Speaker 1: this season, and I was like, thank God, because I 275 00:12:48,824 --> 00:12:50,984 Speaker 1: can't stand any like Malika going to the sperm bank 276 00:12:51,024 --> 00:12:53,824 Speaker 1: Carny of these stories lines that they've made up because 277 00:12:53,864 --> 00:12:55,984 Speaker 1: the other sisters don't have anything that they're happy to 278 00:12:55,984 --> 00:12:58,344 Speaker 1: show one camera at the moments, they're like creating all 279 00:12:58,384 --> 00:13:00,664 Speaker 1: these storylines like they did in the old days of 280 00:13:00,664 --> 00:13:02,224 Speaker 1: the Kadashing where they were trying to fill in I'm 281 00:13:02,224 --> 00:13:04,584 Speaker 1: not here for it. But they went to the Blenciaga Show, 282 00:13:04,704 --> 00:13:07,424 Speaker 1: Kendall and Kim, and there's a conversation as they're walking 283 00:13:07,424 --> 00:13:10,384 Speaker 1: in about why Chloe pulled out the last moment, and 284 00:13:10,424 --> 00:13:13,664 Speaker 1: the infamous story around that Balenciaga show is like everyone 285 00:13:13,664 --> 00:13:16,384 Speaker 1: wanted invites and the location was a secret till the 286 00:13:16,464 --> 00:13:18,824 Speaker 1: day and then they closed down all these like famous 287 00:13:18,824 --> 00:13:21,624 Speaker 1: streets in Los Angeles and had it there, but people 288 00:13:21,664 --> 00:13:25,144 Speaker 1: only found out just beforehand. And so Chloe Kardashian has 289 00:13:25,264 --> 00:13:28,144 Speaker 1: canceled at the last minute because the event was in daylight. 290 00:13:28,624 --> 00:13:31,224 Speaker 1: And as they're talking, you're gusting as if you didn't 291 00:13:31,224 --> 00:13:35,584 Speaker 1: watch the same episodes. Oh no, it's so intense that 292 00:13:35,624 --> 00:13:37,224 Speaker 1: I picked this up. But I just want to hear 293 00:13:37,224 --> 00:13:37,504 Speaker 1: her out. 294 00:13:37,624 --> 00:13:38,424 Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't pick it up. 295 00:13:38,464 --> 00:13:40,224 Speaker 1: This is I mean, once you're tuned to what they're saying, 296 00:13:40,264 --> 00:13:42,264 Speaker 1: just in the passing comments between each other, that is 297 00:13:42,304 --> 00:13:43,944 Speaker 1: not meant to be the storyline. You just become when 298 00:13:43,984 --> 00:13:46,544 Speaker 1: you put context around it. And then she then Chloie 299 00:13:46,584 --> 00:13:49,184 Speaker 1: Kardashian found out that it was going to be in 300 00:13:49,384 --> 00:13:52,184 Speaker 1: the daylight outside, and she couldn't control how she was 301 00:13:52,224 --> 00:13:54,744 Speaker 1: going to be perceived in the daylight. She decided not 302 00:13:54,784 --> 00:13:56,744 Speaker 1: to go to this big event. And that's because they're 303 00:13:56,824 --> 00:14:00,104 Speaker 1: so worried. It's like when that unedited photo of Chloe's 304 00:14:00,104 --> 00:14:02,544 Speaker 1: body accidentally got shared by her grandma MJ a few 305 00:14:02,584 --> 00:14:05,184 Speaker 1: years ago, and it was a big uproar because everyone 306 00:14:05,224 --> 00:14:07,984 Speaker 1: realized that we've never actually seen unedited images of the 307 00:14:08,024 --> 00:14:10,584 Speaker 1: Kardashians face and bodies, because even on TV, they can 308 00:14:10,584 --> 00:14:13,344 Speaker 1: morph it in a really particular way and you can. 309 00:14:13,304 --> 00:14:15,424 Speaker 2: Kind of sometimes see the filter like moving in and 310 00:14:15,464 --> 00:14:16,464 Speaker 2: out on the TV as well. 311 00:14:16,624 --> 00:14:19,064 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so weird because they've got the blurring and 312 00:14:19,104 --> 00:14:20,984 Speaker 1: the lights and it just like, I mean, look, I 313 00:14:21,144 --> 00:14:23,104 Speaker 1: get it, like I panic about how I look filming 314 00:14:23,144 --> 00:14:26,464 Speaker 1: this podcast. You're so concerned about what the video is 315 00:14:26,464 --> 00:14:28,264 Speaker 1: going to look like and what people are going to say, 316 00:14:28,304 --> 00:14:31,504 Speaker 1: And we only have a few thousand people watching these videos, 317 00:14:31,544 --> 00:14:33,624 Speaker 1: it would be ten times that if you're a Kardashian. 318 00:14:34,104 --> 00:14:36,904 Speaker 1: And then also later in the episode, Kim Kardashian is 319 00:14:36,904 --> 00:14:39,984 Speaker 1: talking about her acting career, which is really just full 320 00:14:40,024 --> 00:14:41,904 Speaker 1: steamer hair. There's no stopping that. She's got the Ryan 321 00:14:41,984 --> 00:14:46,184 Speaker 1: Murphy Show, she's got the comedy with promo fricking Paula Pell, 322 00:14:46,264 --> 00:14:48,264 Speaker 1: one of the greatest comedy writers of all time. If 323 00:14:48,304 --> 00:14:50,144 Speaker 1: Aulla Pel's on board, I am too, so I'm awful, 324 00:14:50,144 --> 00:14:52,784 Speaker 1: like giving Kim Kardashian an oscar now. But then Kim's 325 00:14:52,784 --> 00:14:55,064 Speaker 1: talking about the fact that acting is her next passion 326 00:14:55,104 --> 00:14:57,224 Speaker 1: and she's going to throw everything behind it. And this 327 00:14:57,264 --> 00:14:59,224 Speaker 1: is a woman who we know has this crazy work 328 00:14:59,264 --> 00:15:02,264 Speaker 1: ethic andess so smart and can make anything happen. And 329 00:15:02,784 --> 00:15:05,264 Speaker 1: she gives herself a time limit of less than ten 330 00:15:05,384 --> 00:15:08,744 Speaker 1: years to do all her acting roles and achieve that 331 00:15:08,824 --> 00:15:11,544 Speaker 1: dream because she said, after that, I'll look bad because 332 00:15:11,544 --> 00:15:13,944 Speaker 1: she'll be in her fifties. She's like, after that, it's 333 00:15:14,104 --> 00:15:17,064 Speaker 1: just completely shut it down and can't do it anymore. 334 00:15:17,384 --> 00:15:19,424 Speaker 1: In her mind, that woman is probably thinking I have 335 00:15:19,544 --> 00:15:22,064 Speaker 1: five or six years left in the public eye, and 336 00:15:22,104 --> 00:15:24,104 Speaker 1: then I'm going to have to retreat, like just having 337 00:15:24,104 --> 00:15:26,504 Speaker 1: my photo taken because I'm going to look like I'm aging, 338 00:15:26,944 --> 00:15:29,584 Speaker 1: which is such a crazy thing to think, but also 339 00:15:29,624 --> 00:15:32,184 Speaker 1: how her mind works. And then she's saying, like, you know, 340 00:15:32,224 --> 00:15:34,064 Speaker 1: I know I need to show more emotion on my 341 00:15:34,104 --> 00:15:35,984 Speaker 1: face if I'm going to do all these big film 342 00:15:36,024 --> 00:15:38,344 Speaker 1: and TV projects that I'm selling for millions of dollars 343 00:15:38,384 --> 00:15:41,064 Speaker 1: these studios. But I can't take the botox out of 344 00:15:41,104 --> 00:15:43,264 Speaker 1: my face, and I can't change my body, and I 345 00:15:43,304 --> 00:15:45,344 Speaker 1: can't change my face. And it's like she'll only do 346 00:15:45,424 --> 00:15:48,784 Speaker 1: these acting roles if she can still be this very edited, 347 00:15:49,544 --> 00:15:53,344 Speaker 1: unreal version of herself, which is the opposite of what 348 00:15:53,424 --> 00:15:55,384 Speaker 1: acting is supposed to be, with like changing up your 349 00:15:55,384 --> 00:15:57,864 Speaker 1: look and your facial expressions. And it's like she would 350 00:15:57,904 --> 00:16:00,024 Speaker 1: give up all of that, this whole new career that 351 00:16:00,064 --> 00:16:02,024 Speaker 1: she wants to do with this extra level of fame 352 00:16:02,344 --> 00:16:04,264 Speaker 1: and even like an extra level of respect if she 353 00:16:04,304 --> 00:16:07,144 Speaker 1: can pull it off, she would forego all that. To 354 00:16:07,304 --> 00:16:09,744 Speaker 1: still have people think that her face looks a certain 355 00:16:09,784 --> 00:16:11,944 Speaker 1: way is terrifying. 356 00:16:11,464 --> 00:16:15,224 Speaker 2: And it's so unfortunate that she can't even have these 357 00:16:15,304 --> 00:16:20,584 Speaker 2: like inner monologues about herself without it ending up with 358 00:16:20,664 --> 00:16:23,024 Speaker 2: her setting a type of beauty standard. Like even she's 359 00:16:23,064 --> 00:16:25,744 Speaker 2: saying about herself like I only have ten years left, 360 00:16:26,064 --> 00:16:28,024 Speaker 2: every woman who watches that will be like, oh so 361 00:16:28,224 --> 00:16:29,624 Speaker 2: when I'm forty, I'll only have ten. 362 00:16:29,584 --> 00:16:32,104 Speaker 1: Years left exactly. It puts this countdown on everyone else 363 00:16:32,144 --> 00:16:34,344 Speaker 1: of like and also just the thought of like not 364 00:16:34,384 --> 00:16:36,104 Speaker 1: being able to do things if your face doesn't look 365 00:16:36,104 --> 00:16:37,944 Speaker 1: a certain way with botox. Like, obviously they have a 366 00:16:38,064 --> 00:16:41,984 Speaker 1: very elevated level of fame, but they have set this intense, 367 00:16:42,024 --> 00:16:45,584 Speaker 1: intense beauty standard that like not only everyone the entertainment 368 00:16:45,584 --> 00:16:48,944 Speaker 1: industry is emulating, but just regular people thinking that that 369 00:16:49,104 --> 00:16:51,704 Speaker 1: is how they should present on social media and also 370 00:16:51,864 --> 00:16:54,464 Speaker 1: just in real life. And it's really strange that, like 371 00:16:54,544 --> 00:16:57,504 Speaker 1: when I saw Kylie Jenner crying, I think I felt nothing. 372 00:16:58,184 --> 00:17:00,384 Speaker 1: I felt nothing. I mean, obviously you feel sympathy for 373 00:17:00,424 --> 00:17:03,384 Speaker 1: any young woman, especially for those younger two because they 374 00:17:03,424 --> 00:17:05,864 Speaker 1: were kids when they starteds. They really didn't get a choice. 375 00:17:05,864 --> 00:17:08,264 Speaker 1: Obviously they could do a Rob Kardashian and choose not 376 00:17:08,304 --> 00:17:10,024 Speaker 1: to be in the spotlight, but their whole life and 377 00:17:10,024 --> 00:17:12,504 Speaker 1: there is built around this, it would be very hard 378 00:17:12,504 --> 00:17:14,784 Speaker 1: to step away from that. I just was looking at 379 00:17:14,824 --> 00:17:17,464 Speaker 1: that and was like, you've set this huge standard and 380 00:17:17,504 --> 00:17:20,584 Speaker 1: you have this incredibly problematic behavior, and then you got 381 00:17:20,704 --> 00:17:22,904 Speaker 1: in a few edited moments in your TV show and 382 00:17:22,944 --> 00:17:26,304 Speaker 1: expect that to change the conversation, whereas if you're really 383 00:17:26,344 --> 00:17:27,864 Speaker 1: serious about it, it could be a lot more that 384 00:17:27,904 --> 00:17:30,424 Speaker 1: you could be doing to change the conversation. And then 385 00:17:30,464 --> 00:17:33,744 Speaker 1: I went onto Instagram, like straight after rewatching this episode, 386 00:17:33,984 --> 00:17:36,024 Speaker 1: and the first thing that popped up my Insta feed 387 00:17:36,784 --> 00:17:39,624 Speaker 1: was a picture of Kylie Jenner going to Vogue World, 388 00:17:39,664 --> 00:17:41,584 Speaker 1: and she'd taken the image in the back of a car, 389 00:17:41,664 --> 00:17:43,904 Speaker 1: and you can just see it's so edited, but also 390 00:17:43,984 --> 00:17:46,944 Speaker 1: just the way she's contorted in this corset in the 391 00:17:46,944 --> 00:17:49,144 Speaker 1: back of a car, so her breast look a certain way, 392 00:17:49,184 --> 00:17:53,064 Speaker 1: so her waist looks like unimaginably tiny, like it's obviously 393 00:17:53,104 --> 00:17:55,624 Speaker 1: been edited, but also she's been pulled into this really 394 00:17:55,744 --> 00:17:58,744 Speaker 1: sharp corset like dress, the way her body's sitting in 395 00:17:58,744 --> 00:18:01,304 Speaker 1: the car, the way her face is tilted up, the contouring, 396 00:18:01,424 --> 00:18:04,024 Speaker 1: like the photoshopping that would have gone into this image, 397 00:18:04,024 --> 00:18:06,824 Speaker 1: And I was like, this is basically a drawing at 398 00:18:06,824 --> 00:18:09,104 Speaker 1: this stage. This is not a real person, but it's 399 00:18:09,144 --> 00:18:11,184 Speaker 1: what you think you have to put on social media, 400 00:18:11,264 --> 00:18:13,664 Speaker 1: and everyone who's looking at that image now thinks that's 401 00:18:13,664 --> 00:18:15,504 Speaker 1: what someone should look like when it's not real. 402 00:18:15,824 --> 00:18:19,504 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm also still just so conflicted about the two 403 00:18:19,584 --> 00:18:21,864 Speaker 2: sides in general, Like I feel like I keep bouncing 404 00:18:21,864 --> 00:18:27,264 Speaker 2: from like pro and against because like the best Kardashian content, 405 00:18:27,304 --> 00:18:29,824 Speaker 2: in my opinion, are those inner monologues where they are 406 00:18:29,864 --> 00:18:33,824 Speaker 2: being super raw and real and talking about themselves. But 407 00:18:33,864 --> 00:18:35,824 Speaker 2: then the other side is like you have to have 408 00:18:35,944 --> 00:18:38,944 Speaker 2: like some level of responsibility and knowing what you're doing 409 00:18:39,024 --> 00:18:41,864 Speaker 2: and how women will look at you, and like think 410 00:18:41,904 --> 00:18:43,624 Speaker 2: that that's what they also have to be, and they 411 00:18:43,704 --> 00:18:47,104 Speaker 2: just completely ignore that factor. Even in that conversation that 412 00:18:47,184 --> 00:18:49,584 Speaker 2: Kylie was having with Kendall, she was saying, like, why 413 00:18:49,584 --> 00:18:51,344 Speaker 2: do people have the right to talk about my face? 414 00:18:51,384 --> 00:18:53,424 Speaker 2: Even if I did get so much surgery, Like they 415 00:18:53,424 --> 00:18:55,624 Speaker 2: still don't admit to all the stuff they do get, 416 00:18:55,664 --> 00:18:58,384 Speaker 2: Like everyone knows that she's had surgery on her face, 417 00:18:58,904 --> 00:19:02,104 Speaker 2: and yet she's like struggles with even saying that part 418 00:19:02,144 --> 00:19:02,584 Speaker 2: out loud. 419 00:19:02,704 --> 00:19:05,064 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's such a hard thing because I know 420 00:19:05,144 --> 00:19:06,464 Speaker 1: I might sound harsh being like I don't have a 421 00:19:06,464 --> 00:19:08,224 Speaker 1: lot of sympathy for them. It's also I just feel 422 00:19:08,224 --> 00:19:10,544 Speaker 1: like we're having this conversation over and over again for 423 00:19:10,584 --> 00:19:11,744 Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks, just what. 424 00:19:11,664 --> 00:19:13,984 Speaker 2: She said as well exact conversation. 425 00:19:14,064 --> 00:19:16,424 Speaker 1: And then there's no resolution. And I don't even know 426 00:19:16,464 --> 00:19:20,264 Speaker 1: if they'm coming out and listing every single surgery they've had, 427 00:19:20,304 --> 00:19:22,984 Speaker 1: Like I just don't even think that's helpful either, because 428 00:19:23,344 --> 00:19:25,864 Speaker 1: then you've got this huge discrepancy between most people can't 429 00:19:25,904 --> 00:19:29,064 Speaker 1: afford that, so you're setting this unattainable bar. But also 430 00:19:29,744 --> 00:19:31,544 Speaker 1: if she comes out and says she regrets, so like 431 00:19:31,584 --> 00:19:34,224 Speaker 1: that's not true either, because they obviously don't because it's 432 00:19:34,304 --> 00:19:38,224 Speaker 1: how they make their money. So it's this whole unstoppable thing. 433 00:19:38,464 --> 00:19:39,704 Speaker 1: What I think I want them to say, not they 434 00:19:39,704 --> 00:19:41,584 Speaker 1: would fix anything, but it would just kind of help 435 00:19:41,664 --> 00:19:43,664 Speaker 1: to set the conversation because I want them to say, 436 00:19:43,664 --> 00:19:47,264 Speaker 1: we have set an impossible beauty standard and we're responsible 437 00:19:47,264 --> 00:19:48,624 Speaker 1: and we did it to make a lot of money, 438 00:19:48,664 --> 00:19:50,904 Speaker 1: which we have and we can't even live up to it, 439 00:19:50,944 --> 00:19:52,584 Speaker 1: and we don't know how to fix it. But I'm 440 00:19:52,584 --> 00:19:53,384 Speaker 1: just putting it out there. 441 00:19:54,264 --> 00:19:56,104 Speaker 2: That would be a statement of the year I'd love that. 442 00:19:56,464 --> 00:19:58,744 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today. 443 00:19:59,024 --> 00:20:00,824 Speaker 2: If you want more content from us, we did an 444 00:20:00,824 --> 00:20:05,064 Speaker 2: episode yesterday titled the Taylor Swift and Tom Cruise Story 445 00:20:05,144 --> 00:20:07,704 Speaker 2: that didn't make your news speed. That was a Laura 446 00:20:07,784 --> 00:20:11,104 Speaker 2: Rod especial that title. Otherwise, we will see you back 447 00:20:11,144 --> 00:20:12,944 Speaker 2: here on mammea dot com dot at you, and in 448 00:20:13,024 --> 00:20:21,184 Speaker 2: your podcast feed at three pm two. Bye bye, Lolla.