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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to the Spill your Daily pop culture Fix.

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Speaker 2: Before we get into today's show, I just wanted to

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Speaker 2: take a moment to address the heartbreaking events that happened

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Speaker 2: in Bondai Beach over the weekend and to let everyone

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Speaker 2: know that our deepest thoughts and sympathies are with everyone.

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Speaker 1: Affected from Mama Mia.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Spill your Daily pop culture Fix. I'm

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Speaker 2: Laura Brodnick, and today we are dissecting the first two

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Speaker 2: episodes of Taylor Swift's brand new documentary, all the behind

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Speaker 2: the scenes facts, the scandals, and the moments that left

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Speaker 2: us sobbing. So the first two episodes came out last

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Speaker 2: week on Disney Plus. We've got a very intensive drop

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Speaker 2: schedule here. The next two episodes are coming out on

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Speaker 2: December nineteen, and then the final two episodes will be

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Speaker 2: out December twenty six. We will be talking about it

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Speaker 2: more then, but we want to squeeze one episode in

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Speaker 2: before the holidays. We've had so long to prepare for

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Speaker 2: the end of this tour, and we get to play

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Speaker 2: one last show for you here tonight.

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Speaker 3: I can do it with the brook.

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Speaker 1: I'm slut myke it time, birthday, and today I want

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Speaker 1: to thank every single one of you, yes well, for

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Speaker 1: being a.

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Speaker 3: Part of the most thrilling chapter of my entire life

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Speaker 3: to date.

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Speaker 2: So should I sect this very important cultural moment. I

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Speaker 2: had two experts here in the studio with me today.

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Speaker 4: I'm Tina Burke. Mammy is pop culture and social editor.

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Speaker 4: I am a massive, freaky swiftye. I love her so much,

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Speaker 4: very daily, so I was counting down the seconds until

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Speaker 4: this moment.

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Speaker 1: And I'm free Player.

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Speaker 3: I'm executive producer of Mamma MIA's interview podcast Note Filter.

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Speaker 3: I am also a massive swifty I very fortunately get

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Speaker 3: sent her albums a couple of days in advance before

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Speaker 3: release and get to write my reviews. And I have

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Speaker 3: seen her fifteen times live, seven of which was.

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Speaker 1: The Eras tour.

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Speaker 2: That's such an impressive number. And this is why I

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Speaker 2: need both of you here. Did dissect these first two episodes,

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Speaker 2: and we're kind of getting the band back together to

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Speaker 2: talk and times we did the Britly honest review of

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Speaker 2: her Life of a Showgirl album, and you guys have,

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Speaker 2: it has to be said, more Taylor Swift knowledge than

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Speaker 2: anyone else. I have ever met, and I've met a

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Speaker 2: lot of swifties and music genres in my days. So

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Speaker 2: we're here to jump into the first two episodes. So Bree,

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Speaker 2: can you take us through I guess like your your

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Speaker 2: thoughts coming into this and the setup of it, of

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Speaker 2: how we kind of came into this first episode.

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Speaker 1: Did it live up to the hype?

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Speaker 3: Oh for sure, Yeah, it absolutely lived up to the hype.

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Speaker 3: But I would say it wasn't what I expected out

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Speaker 3: of the first episode. Yeah, I didn't really know what

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Speaker 3: diving straight into it because she did, like ten minutes

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Speaker 3: into it with what happened in Vienna.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that is very much where we start with

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Speaker 2: this documentary. Obviously, there's a little bit of a build

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Speaker 2: wanting to reconnect with the fans, and we do jump

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Speaker 2: attending a Taylor Swift dance class, and that's I think

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Speaker 2: Vienna to text. You guys remember that, because people were like,

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Speaker 2: why isn't she saying more, Why isn't she speaking? Obviously

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Speaker 4: with her reactions to both of these like quite tragic circumstances. Obviously,

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Speaker 4: And I guess, like you said, Brie, we never knew

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Speaker 4: when you have these artists who are that big, like

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Speaker 4: it lies out, and then she like flips a switch

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean that like extreme like compartmentalizing that she

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Speaker 3: the families that were affected in Southport were there and

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Speaker 3: I mean it must have been such a difficult experience

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Speaker 3: of course, but we saw Taylor going through it, her reactions,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but it lifted the legit in this very interesting way.

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Speaker 4: And like obviously there are already people saying why would

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and if they just started with London and kind

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Speaker 1: That her team weren't feeling.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we did get a really good insight when

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Speaker 2: love that moment of them just kind of like lounging

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Speaker 2: have you been filming the whole time? Yeah, it's okay

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Speaker 2: which I quite loved. Can you tell us a bit

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Speaker 3: Of course, of course, so the first time that Ed

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Speaker 1: So that's sort of.

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Speaker 3: When their friendship really deepen because they're on the road together,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and how like natural it was for them too

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Speaker 1: And then she gets it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's nice to think that they can just sort

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Speaker 1: Do you know what I loved as well.

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Speaker 3: We're seeing Ed like come in his casual clothes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: It's just so Ed, which is so nice.

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Speaker 1: I think it's really fun to have seen.

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Speaker 3: You know, we've seen a couple of artists that have

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Speaker 3: I would have loved to see I'd come out in sequence,

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Speaker 1: So jarring because it's so not him.

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Speaker 2: a very astute way. Was Travis Kelce on his phone

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Speaker 2: call with Taylor's Safe, which is a clip that a

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Speaker 2: it's just amazing you guys can sing together and get

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Speaker 2: Well, I thought that was an interesting kind of side

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Speaker 4: big on the theatric some like on some tours more

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00:18:16,074 --> 00:18:18,434
Speaker 4: than others. But I think what she's done and what

442
00:18:18,474 --> 00:18:20,793
Speaker 4: she acknowledges in the dock is that dancing is not

443
00:18:20,914 --> 00:18:23,314
Speaker 4: her strong suit, Like that is not that was interesting

444
00:18:23,394 --> 00:18:25,594
Speaker 4: that she has ever been good at, even like something

445
00:18:25,634 --> 00:18:28,514
Speaker 4: she addresses is like she can't dance to account. So

446
00:18:28,594 --> 00:18:30,273
Speaker 4: Mandy Moore was able to kind of work with her

447
00:18:30,314 --> 00:18:32,594
Speaker 4: on like just like do this move at this lyric,

448
00:18:32,754 --> 00:18:35,194
Speaker 4: do this thing at this sound, and like that's kind

449
00:18:35,194 --> 00:18:37,234
Speaker 4: of what helped her. But she brought her in because

450
00:18:37,274 --> 00:18:39,634
Speaker 4: she's been in movies and she wanted the show to

451
00:18:39,794 --> 00:18:43,154
Speaker 4: feel like a musical production. Yeah, for it to have

452
00:18:43,234 --> 00:18:44,474
Speaker 4: that like cinematic quality.

453
00:18:44,714 --> 00:18:47,754
Speaker 3: What I loved, And speaking of the Florence part, was

454
00:18:47,874 --> 00:18:51,994
Speaker 3: that moment when she arrived. Mandy had been working with

455
00:18:52,034 --> 00:18:54,354
Speaker 3: the dancers, showing them what she wanted them to do,

456
00:18:54,954 --> 00:18:56,834
Speaker 3: and she's like, okay, and you and Florence will be

457
00:18:56,954 --> 00:18:59,954
Speaker 3: up here on the apron and the dancers are back

458
00:18:59,994 --> 00:19:02,874
Speaker 3: on the diamond on the rise coming up, and Taylor's like,

459
00:19:03,074 --> 00:19:05,474
Speaker 3: oh wait, Like no, that's really epic what they're doing,

460
00:19:06,234 --> 00:19:08,594
Speaker 3: but no one's gonna look them. If Florence and I

461
00:19:08,674 --> 00:19:10,674
Speaker 3: are up the front, that's where everyone's attention will be.

462
00:19:10,714 --> 00:19:11,553
Speaker 1: And I don't want that.

463
00:19:12,154 --> 00:19:15,474
Speaker 3: I want to be on the on the rise with

464
00:19:15,554 --> 00:19:17,874
Speaker 3: everyone coming up, so that everyone can see how epic

465
00:19:17,954 --> 00:19:18,834
Speaker 3: the dancers working.

466
00:19:18,954 --> 00:19:21,034
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she specifically says.

467
00:19:20,794 --> 00:19:24,754
Speaker 3: You know, I don't care about anyone kind of pulling

468
00:19:24,794 --> 00:19:28,114
Speaker 3: attention from me. I want them to pull attention from me.

469
00:19:28,154 --> 00:19:30,834
Speaker 3: I want people to see how incredible my dancers are.

470
00:19:31,194 --> 00:19:31,914
Speaker 1: So that was really fun.

471
00:19:31,954 --> 00:19:34,594
Speaker 3: She really like she really does care about those the

472
00:19:34,914 --> 00:19:37,514
Speaker 3: dancers and everyone on the tour, and that was.

473
00:19:37,474 --> 00:19:39,634
Speaker 1: Really evident with like the Amanda Balen stuff.

474
00:19:39,674 --> 00:19:42,394
Speaker 4: So that was the other choreographer mentioned the assistant and like,

475
00:19:42,434 --> 00:19:44,354
Speaker 4: if you've seen Lala Land, she's the girl with the

476
00:19:44,434 --> 00:19:47,073
Speaker 4: yellow sundress and the opening credits of Lala Land who

477
00:19:47,074 --> 00:19:47,754
Speaker 4: has like a main.

478
00:19:47,634 --> 00:19:51,474
Speaker 1: Roles like the supporting the supporting character.

479
00:19:52,114 --> 00:19:53,874
Speaker 4: But obviously she used to be a dancer then she

480
00:19:53,914 --> 00:19:56,594
Speaker 4: became a choreographer. Obviously dancing is very hard on the body,

481
00:19:56,594 --> 00:19:57,274
Speaker 4: you can't do it forever.

482
00:19:57,314 --> 00:20:01,594
Speaker 3: But Taylor was like, you don't have a long lifespan

483
00:20:01,674 --> 00:20:04,834
Speaker 3: as a dancer, So you know, they often become choreograph

484
00:20:05,074 --> 00:20:07,034
Speaker 3: afterwards when they're as epic as Amandari.

485
00:20:07,274 --> 00:20:09,794
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like she was obviously playing if you haven't

486
00:20:09,794 --> 00:20:11,434
Speaker 4: seen it yet, she kind of plays the role of

487
00:20:11,474 --> 00:20:14,114
Speaker 4: Taylor when they're choreographing their scenes, so she shows her

488
00:20:14,114 --> 00:20:16,234
Speaker 4: what to do. She stands in for her. But Taylor

489
00:20:16,274 --> 00:20:18,234
Speaker 4: was like, you're so great, Like I want you to

490
00:20:18,274 --> 00:20:20,234
Speaker 4: be on the tour as well. Like she really made

491
00:20:20,234 --> 00:20:23,593
Speaker 4: those moments for people to shine when she saw that

492
00:20:23,634 --> 00:20:25,914
Speaker 4: they either like were ready for the challenge. She talks

493
00:20:25,914 --> 00:20:27,714
Speaker 4: about challenges a lot too, right, She's like, we really

494
00:20:27,834 --> 00:20:30,674
Speaker 4: rise to these challenges all the time, Like, Hey, I

495
00:20:30,674 --> 00:20:33,234
Speaker 4: need you to choreograph a new dance routine, mending more

496
00:20:33,274 --> 00:20:34,514
Speaker 4: and we're going to perform it tomorrow.

497
00:20:34,634 --> 00:20:35,114
Speaker 1: Totally.

498
00:20:35,314 --> 00:20:37,914
Speaker 3: It's so interesting because you know, she talks about how

499
00:20:38,314 --> 00:20:41,234
Speaker 3: doing that tour was going to be such a challenge

500
00:20:41,234 --> 00:20:43,194
Speaker 3: for her, but she was so aware that it wasn't

501
00:20:43,234 --> 00:20:44,714
Speaker 3: just a challenge for her, it was a challenge for

502
00:20:44,874 --> 00:20:48,674
Speaker 3: everyone involved. You know, Yes, she's performing for three plus

503
00:20:48,674 --> 00:20:50,394
Speaker 3: hours on the stage. But so's her band, and so

504
00:20:50,674 --> 00:20:53,634
Speaker 3: are her backup singers, so are her dancers. So it

505
00:20:53,714 --> 00:20:56,234
Speaker 3: was so hard on all of them and it was

506
00:20:56,274 --> 00:20:56,834
Speaker 3: a challenge.

507
00:20:56,994 --> 00:20:59,394
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that challenge that you're talking about. That was

508
00:20:59,434 --> 00:21:01,354
Speaker 2: an interesting part for me because again, I'm not as

509
00:21:01,394 --> 00:21:03,273
Speaker 2: across the Taylor like Laura as you guys, But I

510
00:21:03,314 --> 00:21:05,154
Speaker 2: feel at that moment where she was talking about like

511
00:21:05,434 --> 00:21:07,794
Speaker 2: how she needs to be choreographed and how she struggles

512
00:21:07,794 --> 00:21:10,234
Speaker 2: with dancing and how hard she worked on it is

513
00:21:10,314 --> 00:21:12,674
Speaker 2: kind of interesting to have someone then go and like

514
00:21:12,794 --> 00:21:15,514
Speaker 2: be the centerpiece of this three hour show that's so physical,

515
00:21:15,714 --> 00:21:17,593
Speaker 2: and I feel like it unlocked this part of history

516
00:21:17,634 --> 00:21:19,553
Speaker 2: that I had forgotten about. And I'm sure a lot

517
00:21:19,594 --> 00:21:21,074
Speaker 2: of people who were kind of like newer to the

518
00:21:21,114 --> 00:21:24,434
Speaker 2: fandom had forgotten about this whole thing about her not

519
00:21:24,514 --> 00:21:26,634
Speaker 2: being a good dancer and people kind of really calling

520
00:21:26,634 --> 00:21:28,194
Speaker 2: her out for that, and that led me down a

521
00:21:28,274 --> 00:21:30,554
Speaker 2: rabbit hole of also, like her vocals being called out

522
00:21:30,554 --> 00:21:32,754
Speaker 2: over the years, was this a thing? So it's weird

523
00:21:32,754 --> 00:21:34,794
Speaker 2: to think there was a time where Taylor Swift was

524
00:21:34,794 --> 00:21:36,234
Speaker 2: seen as not a good dancer and not a good

525
00:21:36,274 --> 00:21:39,874
Speaker 2: singer even when she was like doing tours, like worldwide tours.

526
00:21:40,034 --> 00:21:42,754
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it was also a thing like obviously she

527
00:21:42,834 --> 00:21:45,834
Speaker 4: was in her teens when she came up, like I

528
00:21:45,834 --> 00:21:48,314
Speaker 4: think most teen artists, even like a lot of not teens,

529
00:21:48,354 --> 00:21:49,954
Speaker 4: a lot of twenty year old artists like Katy Perrent

530
00:21:49,954 --> 00:21:52,074
Speaker 4: and stuff, when they were doing live performances at first,

531
00:21:52,394 --> 00:21:54,354
Speaker 4: if you're not confident in it, if you've suddenly got

532
00:21:54,354 --> 00:21:57,034
Speaker 4: corier to do while performing a song, if you were

533
00:21:57,114 --> 00:21:59,474
Speaker 4: like sometimes Taylor would be like ripping off her dress

534
00:21:59,474 --> 00:22:01,354
Speaker 4: halfway through her performance. That was a big feature of

535
00:22:01,394 --> 00:22:03,834
Speaker 4: the Fearless era. There was a lot of like activity

536
00:22:03,874 --> 00:22:06,394
Speaker 4: going on, so her vocals were not always that strong.

537
00:22:06,554 --> 00:22:08,314
Speaker 4: Plus she new to performing live.

538
00:22:08,474 --> 00:22:10,594
Speaker 2: Yeah, so she was not saying she's a bad sing I'm.

539
00:22:12,874 --> 00:22:13,354
Speaker 1: There was.

540
00:22:14,154 --> 00:22:16,234
Speaker 2: I wasn't across her as much that I only saw

541
00:22:16,274 --> 00:22:18,313
Speaker 2: her as this like like I hear her songs and

542
00:22:18,394 --> 00:22:19,594
Speaker 2: like love them, and then I would like see her

543
00:22:19,634 --> 00:22:20,594
Speaker 2: video clips and stuff.

544
00:22:20,354 --> 00:22:22,194
Speaker 1: So I saw that version of her. I didn't realize

545
00:22:22,194 --> 00:22:23,314
Speaker 1: that the discourse had happened.

546
00:22:23,314 --> 00:22:24,914
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, there was major, Like it was a thing

547
00:22:24,954 --> 00:22:27,234
Speaker 4: definitely and years even still today. But I do think

548
00:22:27,354 --> 00:22:29,274
Speaker 4: herst tour, in the amount of work she put in

549
00:22:29,514 --> 00:22:31,794
Speaker 4: and how much she has grown as like in terms

550
00:22:31,834 --> 00:22:34,274
Speaker 4: of what her vocal range is able to be. Oh yeah,

551
00:22:34,354 --> 00:22:37,514
Speaker 4: and she like vocally she has improved as well as

552
00:22:37,594 --> 00:22:40,474
Speaker 4: she's worked. You know a lot of singers people forget

553
00:22:40,514 --> 00:22:43,074
Speaker 4: they do work with vocal coaches throughout their career. It's

554
00:22:43,074 --> 00:22:44,234
Speaker 4: not just like, Okay.

555
00:22:44,074 --> 00:22:46,994
Speaker 1: I'm a singer. I don't need to learn anymore like

556
00:22:47,034 --> 00:22:49,594
Speaker 1: they do. They train, they practice whatever. It's like a

557
00:22:49,754 --> 00:22:51,794
Speaker 1: lad athlete. So she has.

558
00:22:51,674 --> 00:22:54,674
Speaker 3: Vocally improved throughout her career, but she's also changed genres

559
00:22:54,674 --> 00:22:56,114
Speaker 3: as well. So if you go back to the beginning

560
00:22:56,154 --> 00:22:58,994
Speaker 3: and she singing country wasn't as demanding on the voice

561
00:22:58,994 --> 00:22:59,954
Speaker 3: as what she's doing now.

562
00:23:00,234 --> 00:23:02,554
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and it was a different Live performing is

563
00:23:02,594 --> 00:23:04,874
Speaker 2: quite a learned skill. I think you either have it

564
00:23:04,994 --> 00:23:06,674
Speaker 2: or you don't, but you hone it over years. I

565
00:23:06,674 --> 00:23:09,314
Speaker 2: always say that quote that Lionel Richie was asked after

566
00:23:09,314 --> 00:23:12,954
Speaker 2: Paris Hilton released Stars Are Blind, and it obviously was

567
00:23:12,954 --> 00:23:15,353
Speaker 2: like a number one song. Everyone wanted a tour and

568
00:23:15,394 --> 00:23:17,313
Speaker 2: then she just she tried to do it and couldn't

569
00:23:17,354 --> 00:23:19,874
Speaker 2: really make it happen. And he was asked about and

570
00:23:19,914 --> 00:23:21,354
Speaker 2: he was like, in a nice way, he was like,

571
00:23:21,394 --> 00:23:23,114
Speaker 2: just because you record a song doesn't mean you can

572
00:23:23,114 --> 00:23:24,994
Speaker 2: get and tur it on stage. She's like, that's a

573
00:23:25,034 --> 00:23:27,593
Speaker 2: whole different craft. It's a whole different skill, and I

574
00:23:27,714 --> 00:23:29,834
Speaker 2: think people realize how hard that is, And I always

575
00:23:29,874 --> 00:23:31,834
Speaker 2: think about that when I see artists touring about Lionel

576
00:23:31,874 --> 00:23:33,834
Speaker 2: Richie being like, that is the hardest part of it

577
00:23:33,834 --> 00:23:35,114
Speaker 2: and it's a different part of the business.

578
00:23:35,194 --> 00:23:37,434
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's so true. And like she had stage presence

579
00:23:37,474 --> 00:23:38,914
Speaker 4: even if it was just her with a guitar. But

580
00:23:39,074 --> 00:23:41,594
Speaker 4: what she struggled with was, yeah, doing the big, grand

581
00:23:41,594 --> 00:23:44,754
Speaker 4: performance that matched the kinds of songs she was singing with,

582
00:23:45,034 --> 00:23:46,834
Speaker 4: being able to keep her vocal steady and stuff. So

583
00:23:46,834 --> 00:23:48,154
Speaker 4: she's worked on that so much, and it's kind of

584
00:23:48,194 --> 00:23:50,914
Speaker 4: like juwe Liper. Like Juwel Lieper was criticized. It was

585
00:23:50,914 --> 00:23:54,833
Speaker 4: the comment, go girl, give us nothing her dance, and

586
00:23:54,834 --> 00:23:58,394
Speaker 4: that comment like revolutionized dua Leepa's whole career because she

587
00:23:58,474 --> 00:24:00,514
Speaker 4: saw that and went, Okay, I'm going to change everything.

588
00:24:00,514 --> 00:24:02,114
Speaker 4: I'm gonna learn to dance. I'm gonna learn to.

589
00:24:02,074 --> 00:24:03,954
Speaker 1: Do all of this a crazy choreo and.

590
00:24:04,354 --> 00:24:06,674
Speaker 2: Do like do her bad dance like purpose and a

591
00:24:06,754 --> 00:24:10,154
Speaker 2: concert she does she does, Yeah, well, it's iconic.

592
00:24:10,194 --> 00:24:10,354
Speaker 3: Now.

593
00:24:10,674 --> 00:24:12,594
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we were just raised on like Britney

594
00:24:12,634 --> 00:24:14,313
Speaker 2: spears and stuff so that we forget that not all

595
00:24:14,354 --> 00:24:16,833
Speaker 2: pop girls can break out a full dance, and if

596
00:24:16,834 --> 00:24:18,434
Speaker 2: they're doing that, then they have to be lip sinking

597
00:24:18,434 --> 00:24:19,874
Speaker 2: because not many people can dance.

598
00:24:19,754 --> 00:24:23,313
Speaker 1: Exactly because you can't. You can't do both at the

599
00:24:23,514 --> 00:24:24,513
Speaker 1: highest level.

600
00:24:25,194 --> 00:24:28,954
Speaker 3: You know, like Ariano who sings so incredibly, she's not

601
00:24:29,034 --> 00:24:32,154
Speaker 3: doing really really really vigorous corio while she's singing, because

602
00:24:32,154 --> 00:24:35,154
Speaker 3: it's just it would diminish what she could do locally.

603
00:24:35,274 --> 00:24:38,354
Speaker 4: It's not worth it, agreed, And I think, like I'm

604
00:24:38,394 --> 00:24:41,514
Speaker 4: like blown away by what Taylor was able to do basically,

605
00:24:41,714 --> 00:24:44,274
Speaker 4: like as in to bring that level of like theatrics

606
00:24:44,274 --> 00:24:46,674
Speaker 4: and performance through the stage, through the amount of dances

607
00:24:46,674 --> 00:24:49,194
Speaker 4: she had, through the visuals, through her costuming, like she

608
00:24:49,274 --> 00:24:51,394
Speaker 4: made it storytelling. Even if she knew she wasn't the

609
00:24:51,394 --> 00:24:54,154
Speaker 4: strongest dancer, she tried her hardest on that stage. And

610
00:24:54,194 --> 00:24:56,874
Speaker 4: I give her her credits of Taylor Swift the underdog.

611
00:25:00,074 --> 00:25:02,674
Speaker 4: I did love seeing that camaraderie with her and the dances,

612
00:25:02,754 --> 00:25:04,994
Speaker 4: even getting like a bit more of Cameron Saunders her

613
00:25:05,074 --> 00:25:08,553
Speaker 4: dancer's backstory and having his they're in seeing that because

614
00:25:08,674 --> 00:25:10,874
Speaker 4: he is I think, I know, like swifties are aware

615
00:25:10,914 --> 00:25:12,394
Speaker 4: of all the dancers and they all have their own

616
00:25:12,474 --> 00:25:13,954
Speaker 4: fandoms and things, but I feel like he's kind of

617
00:25:13,954 --> 00:25:17,273
Speaker 4: been one of the breaks favorite. Yeah sure, yeah, and

618
00:25:17,314 --> 00:25:19,793
Speaker 4: he's the one who does the little extra caller that

619
00:25:20,274 --> 00:25:23,354
Speaker 4: I speaking correct swifty terms yea. And like it was

620
00:25:23,354 --> 00:25:26,554
Speaker 4: really like I didn't know that he hadn't been able

621
00:25:26,594 --> 00:25:29,434
Speaker 4: to like make like that this was his first professional

622
00:25:29,834 --> 00:25:31,034
Speaker 4: dance moment in his career.

623
00:25:31,154 --> 00:25:32,033
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that.

624
00:25:32,314 --> 00:25:33,674
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's insane.

625
00:25:33,954 --> 00:25:36,154
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's something that I noticed when the first

626
00:25:36,234 --> 00:25:37,914
Speaker 2: time I started seeing clips from the Errors Too, and

627
00:25:37,994 --> 00:25:41,834
Speaker 2: you saw the dancers and usually backup dancers are so uniform,

628
00:25:41,914 --> 00:25:43,594
Speaker 2: and they all look very similar, and they have exact

629
00:25:43,594 --> 00:25:45,994
Speaker 2: same body type and sometimes they even look the same

630
00:25:46,274 --> 00:25:48,674
Speaker 2: because you know that when stars are casting sometimes they

631
00:25:48,754 --> 00:25:50,954
Speaker 2: just want them to look like a backdrop to them.

632
00:25:51,034 --> 00:25:53,914
Speaker 2: And the fact that you have people who all look different,

633
00:25:53,954 --> 00:25:56,314
Speaker 2: different body shapes, all of them have different dance styles

634
00:25:56,314 --> 00:25:58,994
Speaker 2: and training, like even to the untrained dancer. I like me,

635
00:25:59,554 --> 00:26:01,154
Speaker 2: I felt like when I first saw clips of the

636
00:26:01,234 --> 00:26:03,834
Speaker 2: Errors tour, that was jarring, but in a very good way.

637
00:26:04,074 --> 00:26:06,194
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think that's really like interesting what you say,

638
00:26:06,234 --> 00:26:09,354
Speaker 3: because what they want is like movement behind them and

639
00:26:09,514 --> 00:26:13,194
Speaker 3: uniform and not to have personalities on the stage behind them.

640
00:26:13,354 --> 00:26:16,674
Speaker 3: But Taylor definitely wanted their personalities to shine. And Cam,

641
00:26:16,914 --> 00:26:20,754
Speaker 3: who has such a huge personality, we got to see

642
00:26:20,834 --> 00:26:24,034
Speaker 3: so much of his personality throughout, like woven throughout the show,

643
00:26:24,114 --> 00:26:26,834
Speaker 3: and it changed and he became you know, his clips

644
00:26:26,954 --> 00:26:27,874
Speaker 3: ended up being ones that.

645
00:26:27,834 --> 00:26:29,474
Speaker 1: Like people searched for each day.

646
00:26:29,754 --> 00:26:32,594
Speaker 2: So what did Cam say tonight, Yeah, exactly to see

647
00:26:32,594 --> 00:26:34,793
Speaker 2: what his little kind of shining moment was. And I

648
00:26:34,794 --> 00:26:36,553
Speaker 2: think that you saw kind of the build up that

649
00:26:36,634 --> 00:26:38,793
Speaker 2: she had with them on the road of like handwriting

650
00:26:38,834 --> 00:26:41,634
Speaker 2: all those notes in the wax seal and giving them

651
00:26:41,634 --> 00:26:45,273
Speaker 2: those bonuses, so that the bonus like quite lovely. You

652
00:26:45,354 --> 00:26:47,194
Speaker 2: had a poem in it, right, that letter.

653
00:26:47,354 --> 00:26:49,273
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, she wrote a little poem.

654
00:26:49,594 --> 00:26:53,234
Speaker 3: Of course, of course she would would, and the wax

655
00:26:53,314 --> 00:26:56,554
Speaker 3: Seals saw so Taylor exactly when she when she carried

656
00:26:56,554 --> 00:26:58,434
Speaker 3: the little containery in it kind of reminded me of

657
00:26:58,434 --> 00:26:59,914
Speaker 3: like a kid coming to school on the last day

658
00:26:59,914 --> 00:27:02,634
Speaker 3: with their handwritten Christmas car and the kids.

659
00:27:02,714 --> 00:27:05,434
Speaker 1: Yeah, and to her case, it wasn't a candy can.

660
00:27:05,474 --> 00:27:05,634
Speaker 3: It was.

661
00:27:05,754 --> 00:27:08,634
Speaker 2: It was a big, fat, big yeah. So the bonuses

662
00:27:08,794 --> 00:27:10,874
Speaker 2: made headlines when the tour was going. I remember that

663
00:27:10,954 --> 00:27:13,154
Speaker 2: being such a big thing and it being reported, But

664
00:27:13,234 --> 00:27:14,754
Speaker 2: this is the first time we got an idea of

665
00:27:14,794 --> 00:27:17,514
Speaker 2: how they were told in the scale, right, Yes.

666
00:27:17,674 --> 00:27:20,154
Speaker 4: Yeah, So she it's one of those things where it's

667
00:27:20,154 --> 00:27:21,914
Speaker 4: like damned if you do, damned if you don't, because

668
00:27:21,914 --> 00:27:24,154
Speaker 4: people like criticize her when she doesn't show a part

669
00:27:24,154 --> 00:27:27,194
Speaker 4: of her life, and then criticize her when she does

670
00:27:27,234 --> 00:27:30,314
Speaker 4: show something. So like she's obviously put in the bonuses,

671
00:27:30,354 --> 00:27:32,194
Speaker 4: and she says this on camera. She's like, I want

672
00:27:32,194 --> 00:27:34,394
Speaker 4: to be able to set a precedent amongst artists, Like

673
00:27:34,394 --> 00:27:36,073
Speaker 4: I want to be able to make it known that

674
00:27:36,154 --> 00:27:38,234
Speaker 4: like this is what I'm doing, and this is what

675
00:27:38,234 --> 00:27:40,234
Speaker 4: we should be willing to do for the people who

676
00:27:40,314 --> 00:27:42,234
Speaker 4: go on the road and like put their family life

677
00:27:42,234 --> 00:27:45,114
Speaker 4: on hold, like leave their homes behind and come with

678
00:27:45,234 --> 00:27:47,714
Speaker 4: me to tour the entire world for two years. So

679
00:27:47,874 --> 00:27:50,114
Speaker 4: she mentions that she like tips them at the end

680
00:27:50,114 --> 00:27:52,114
Speaker 4: of each leg. So this is the end of the

681
00:27:52,114 --> 00:27:55,514
Speaker 4: European leg, which at this point was the third leg. Yeah,

682
00:27:55,514 --> 00:27:56,634
Speaker 4: she's done the us she's done.

683
00:27:56,634 --> 00:27:58,834
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, so yeah, this is the end of

684
00:27:58,874 --> 00:28:00,314
Speaker 3: the fourth leg.

685
00:28:00,994 --> 00:28:04,194
Speaker 4: Before the final, which was going back to America and Canada. Yeah,

686
00:28:04,234 --> 00:28:07,273
Speaker 4: and she's revealed that, like each time she's given them bonuses. Yes,

687
00:28:07,514 --> 00:28:09,033
Speaker 4: this may have been the biggest bonus.

688
00:28:09,114 --> 00:28:11,674
Speaker 2: Yes, I would imagine, And what we kind of get

689
00:28:11,674 --> 00:28:13,994
Speaker 2: from the docker writer is that she gives the same bonus.

690
00:28:14,114 --> 00:28:16,794
Speaker 1: Is this correct to her dancers, stage crew track.

691
00:28:16,714 --> 00:28:17,394
Speaker 3: I don't think so.

692
00:28:17,594 --> 00:28:19,754
Speaker 1: No, is definitely different.

693
00:28:19,834 --> 00:28:24,954
Speaker 3: Different, And we know because a truck driver has spilled

694
00:28:24,994 --> 00:28:28,234
Speaker 3: the details that their bonus was one hundred thousand dollars,

695
00:28:28,354 --> 00:28:31,434
Speaker 3: so we know that, but we don't necessarily know the

696
00:28:31,474 --> 00:28:33,514
Speaker 3: amounts for the others. And I think I actually think

697
00:28:33,594 --> 00:28:36,834
Speaker 3: in aside from the fact that she probably wanted to

698
00:28:36,874 --> 00:28:39,154
Speaker 3: keep it a little bit more discreet what the number was,

699
00:28:39,194 --> 00:28:41,434
Speaker 3: it was also that they're not all I don't think

700
00:28:41,474 --> 00:28:42,994
Speaker 3: they're all the same. Well, we know that they're not

701
00:28:43,034 --> 00:28:46,314
Speaker 3: because the length of time that was beat out was

702
00:28:46,314 --> 00:28:48,994
Speaker 3: definitely longer than one hundred thousand dollars.

703
00:28:49,194 --> 00:28:52,434
Speaker 2: Yeah, and when they were reading out the dances, so.

704
00:28:52,394 --> 00:28:55,314
Speaker 3: When Cam read out the dancer bonus, yes, it was

705
00:28:55,394 --> 00:28:58,274
Speaker 3: definitely longer than one hundred thousand dollars.

706
00:28:58,274 --> 00:28:59,274
Speaker 1: Interesting, do we know?

707
00:28:59,354 --> 00:29:01,554
Speaker 2: I know they beat it out, but from your secret sources,

708
00:29:01,554 --> 00:29:02,674
Speaker 2: do we know how much it is?

709
00:29:02,754 --> 00:29:05,434
Speaker 4: Or a ball parper well like lip readers and sauces,

710
00:29:05,474 --> 00:29:07,954
Speaker 4: which the sources are probably friends of dancers and things

711
00:29:07,994 --> 00:29:12,594
Speaker 4: like that. It's believed that it was seven hundred and

712
00:29:12,634 --> 00:29:15,114
Speaker 4: fifty thousand US dollars. Wow to all of them, and

713
00:29:15,114 --> 00:29:17,914
Speaker 4: I would assume that that's dances, backup singers and her band.

714
00:29:17,714 --> 00:29:18,354
Speaker 1: And her band.

715
00:29:18,514 --> 00:29:22,034
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we know that it was such a huge

716
00:29:22,034 --> 00:29:25,474
Speaker 3: amount that one of the need to get there inhaler out,

717
00:29:25,514 --> 00:29:28,154
Speaker 3: which honestly, if I got a bonus for a seven

718
00:29:28,194 --> 00:29:30,554
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty k, I reckon, I'd need a puffer two.

719
00:29:31,274 --> 00:29:32,554
Speaker 2: That's the scene change.

720
00:29:33,274 --> 00:29:35,114
Speaker 1: That is a life changing money.

721
00:29:35,474 --> 00:29:38,874
Speaker 4: Sure, it's absolutely wild. And then obviously as well, and.

722
00:29:38,794 --> 00:29:40,514
Speaker 3: That's a bonus that's on top of that's on top

723
00:29:40,514 --> 00:29:46,874
Speaker 3: of and the previous leg bonuses that they've had, so yeah, astounding,

724
00:29:47,914 --> 00:29:51,314
Speaker 3: no wonder. They're also fiercely loyal and I do love

725
00:29:51,354 --> 00:29:54,714
Speaker 3: as well. Speaking of the band members that like Paul

726
00:29:54,714 --> 00:29:56,834
Speaker 3: and A must have been there since the start. I

727
00:29:56,874 --> 00:30:00,034
Speaker 3: remember chatting to both of them back like near the

728
00:30:00,034 --> 00:30:03,394
Speaker 3: backstage area of the Speak Now tour, which was so

729
00:30:03,474 --> 00:30:06,474
Speaker 3: long ago now, yeah, like we're talking third album here,

730
00:30:07,234 --> 00:30:09,394
Speaker 3: it was many many years ago, and those two.

731
00:30:09,314 --> 00:30:11,194
Speaker 1: Guys, I mean, why would they go anywhere?

732
00:30:11,354 --> 00:30:14,674
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's really like as a Swifter who is

733
00:30:14,794 --> 00:30:17,834
Speaker 4: used to like there being many criticisms of Taylor Swift,

734
00:30:17,914 --> 00:30:21,314
Speaker 4: sometimes valid, oftentimes not. It was also nice to see

735
00:30:21,354 --> 00:30:23,714
Speaker 4: because people kept saying she was like holding her wealth

736
00:30:23,714 --> 00:30:25,714
Speaker 4: and all of this stuff that is and like it's

737
00:30:25,874 --> 00:30:27,794
Speaker 4: predicted that it was like at least one hundred and

738
00:30:27,874 --> 00:30:32,114
Speaker 4: ninety seven million dollars in bonuses. That is not a

739
00:30:32,154 --> 00:30:34,114
Speaker 4: small portion of the amount of wealth that she has.

740
00:30:34,194 --> 00:30:36,994
Speaker 4: And she was very clearly being like I've earned this money.

741
00:30:36,994 --> 00:30:38,914
Speaker 4: As the tour makes more money, you get more money,

742
00:30:38,954 --> 00:30:40,794
Speaker 4: like she actively said that in the and it was

743
00:30:40,794 --> 00:30:42,474
Speaker 4: good to see, Like I think she is very much

744
00:30:42,514 --> 00:30:43,874
Speaker 4: someone who values her team.

745
00:30:43,834 --> 00:30:46,714
Speaker 3: And she's so aware that the tour is not her,

746
00:30:46,914 --> 00:30:49,154
Speaker 3: the tour is all of them. Yeah, Like, yes, she

747
00:30:49,394 --> 00:30:53,114
Speaker 3: is the pivotal member of the tour, but without the dancers,

748
00:30:53,154 --> 00:30:55,834
Speaker 3: without the band, without the people that build the stage,

749
00:30:55,874 --> 00:30:56,514
Speaker 3: there's no tour.

750
00:30:56,754 --> 00:30:59,434
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I guess that's why she can keep those secrets,

751
00:30:59,474 --> 00:31:00,874
Speaker 2: like she keeps saying the thing like, I love having

752
00:31:00,874 --> 00:31:03,394
Speaker 2: a secret, and we see them rehearsing for the Torture

753
00:31:03,434 --> 00:31:06,194
Speaker 2: Poet departments knew like segment that they do at the

754
00:31:06,234 --> 00:31:07,794
Speaker 2: end of the tour and how much they have to

755
00:31:07,874 --> 00:31:10,154
Speaker 2: keep it a secret in terms of like hiring spaces,

756
00:31:10,194 --> 00:31:12,514
Speaker 2: and you see the musicians practicing in the shower and

757
00:31:12,554 --> 00:31:14,514
Speaker 2: not being able to do a sound check and stuff.

758
00:31:14,514 --> 00:31:16,794
Speaker 2: But you still think that that potentially would have leaked

759
00:31:17,074 --> 00:31:18,714
Speaker 2: if those people weren't so loyal to tell her.

760
00:31:18,794 --> 00:31:19,674
Speaker 1: And it's like we.

761
00:31:19,674 --> 00:31:22,314
Speaker 3: Saw them all appear again in the Fate of Apelia

762
00:31:22,434 --> 00:31:26,074
Speaker 3: music video. You know they're so loyal to her and

763
00:31:26,114 --> 00:31:27,394
Speaker 3: she can trust them completely.

764
00:31:27,554 --> 00:31:29,634
Speaker 4: And that even shows the difference, because it was interesting

765
00:31:29,754 --> 00:31:32,554
Speaker 4: in the docco when they're rehearsing Tortured Poets, she's not

766
00:31:32,594 --> 00:31:35,234
Speaker 4: playing it out loud yet she's still doing like the

767
00:31:35,314 --> 00:31:38,274
Speaker 4: clicks and the beats for the dancers at that point

768
00:31:38,314 --> 00:31:40,114
Speaker 4: in time, whereas by the time we get to Fate

769
00:31:40,114 --> 00:31:43,354
Speaker 4: of Ophelia, also choreographed by Mandy Moore, also starring all

770
00:31:43,354 --> 00:31:45,634
Speaker 4: of the eras tour dancers, we later learned from behind

771
00:31:45,674 --> 00:31:47,394
Speaker 4: the scenes that she was playing the song out loud

772
00:31:47,434 --> 00:31:49,074
Speaker 4: through points and she was singing a live for them

773
00:31:49,074 --> 00:31:50,954
Speaker 4: because again, they just built up more and more trust.

774
00:31:50,994 --> 00:31:53,234
Speaker 1: She sees them as like her family. Yeah, they're her family.

775
00:31:53,274 --> 00:31:54,594
Speaker 1: Now they're her eras family.

776
00:31:54,874 --> 00:31:56,234
Speaker 2: That's the part of it I love, Like, I did

777
00:31:56,274 --> 00:31:58,354
Speaker 2: love seeing the on stage stuff of the show and

778
00:31:58,394 --> 00:31:59,954
Speaker 2: the consent and that sort of stuff. But obviously we

779
00:31:59,994 --> 00:32:03,914
Speaker 2: already have the filmed version of the concert that people

780
00:32:03,914 --> 00:32:05,714
Speaker 2: like you guys can watch over and over and over again,

781
00:32:05,754 --> 00:32:07,994
Speaker 2: and really that stage moment, but I loved all these

782
00:32:08,034 --> 00:32:09,834
Speaker 2: little moments behind the scenes where she's sitting on the

783
00:32:09,834 --> 00:32:13,394
Speaker 2: floor with the dancers backstage, but also just those tiny

784
00:32:13,434 --> 00:32:15,634
Speaker 2: moments of her, like in her rehearsal room, in her

785
00:32:15,674 --> 00:32:18,714
Speaker 2: hotel room afterwards, And I wonder how much of that

786
00:32:18,754 --> 00:32:22,194
Speaker 2: were actually capturing her in her natural state, or how

787
00:32:22,234 --> 00:32:23,714
Speaker 2: much of it she's like and now I have to

788
00:32:23,714 --> 00:32:26,274
Speaker 2: film this bit for the doco, if that makes sense.

789
00:32:26,314 --> 00:32:29,114
Speaker 2: Of like it is, it felt very unfiltered. But also

790
00:32:29,234 --> 00:32:31,354
Speaker 2: if you're only showing like a moment of your wine

791
00:32:31,434 --> 00:32:33,674
Speaker 2: down routine, kind of like what do you show what else?

792
00:32:33,714 --> 00:32:35,754
Speaker 2: There's all these little things fans are picking up, like

793
00:32:35,834 --> 00:32:37,954
Speaker 2: she's listening to an audiobook in the background, because she's

794
00:32:37,994 --> 00:32:41,154
Speaker 2: got kind of like hours to chill and she doesn't

795
00:32:41,154 --> 00:32:43,314
Speaker 2: say what it is, but it was The God of

796
00:32:43,354 --> 00:32:45,674
Speaker 2: the Woods by Liz Moore. And apparently Liz Moore woke

797
00:32:45,794 --> 00:32:50,114
Speaker 2: up after the documentary. It's like hundreds of her phone blowing. Yeah,

798
00:32:50,154 --> 00:32:52,194
Speaker 2: And I was like, Taylor's is listening to your book?

799
00:32:52,234 --> 00:32:54,034
Speaker 2: And it was like a New York Times bestseller, So

800
00:32:54,034 --> 00:32:56,394
Speaker 2: it's not like she's a little indie writer, but just

801
00:32:56,434 --> 00:32:58,394
Speaker 2: stuff like that. I also seeing her in her hotel

802
00:32:58,434 --> 00:32:59,994
Speaker 2: room and when she's like, I know that was bed

803
00:33:00,354 --> 00:33:01,634
Speaker 2: till four am, and I'm.

804
00:33:01,514 --> 00:33:02,634
Speaker 1: Like, of course you don't.

805
00:33:02,674 --> 00:33:04,474
Speaker 4: So last when we get back from a work and

806
00:33:04,514 --> 00:33:06,754
Speaker 4: we're text too, I was like, oh my god, are

807
00:33:06,794 --> 00:33:09,394
Speaker 4: we was swift, but a slightly different thing.

808
00:33:09,434 --> 00:33:10,874
Speaker 2: But I find that we like the three of us

809
00:33:11,074 --> 00:33:12,554
Speaker 2: because we work and entertainment. We go to a lot

810
00:33:12,554 --> 00:33:14,514
Speaker 2: of big work events, and we do like big things,

811
00:33:14,594 --> 00:33:16,514
Speaker 2: even just doing a big interview at night or something

812
00:33:16,594 --> 00:33:19,314
Speaker 2: like that, or even like if we like after this pot,

813
00:33:19,394 --> 00:33:21,954
Speaker 2: I'm like freaking wired, and that's not even like talking

814
00:33:21,994 --> 00:33:26,274
Speaker 2: to thousands of people live. So I just kind of

815
00:33:26,314 --> 00:33:28,674
Speaker 2: like I want more, almost more of that moment. If

816
00:33:28,674 --> 00:33:30,634
Speaker 2: you get meat to the hotel room and I understand

817
00:33:30,634 --> 00:33:32,794
Speaker 2: that she has to watch What did she say, She's like,

818
00:33:32,834 --> 00:33:34,954
Speaker 2: I watch hours of TV, I eat room service in

819
00:33:34,994 --> 00:33:36,514
Speaker 2: band bed, and then I.

820
00:33:36,314 --> 00:33:40,754
Speaker 3: When she draw the bath as well, Yeah, plungs herself

821
00:33:40,754 --> 00:33:43,114
Speaker 3: from the bath and just like washes the day and

822
00:33:43,154 --> 00:33:46,474
Speaker 3: the show off her probably gets into something super cosy.

823
00:33:46,954 --> 00:33:49,194
Speaker 3: Orders are miles and miles of roomself.

824
00:33:49,274 --> 00:33:51,514
Speaker 2: Yeah, but when the kitchen stays open, you know how

825
00:33:51,554 --> 00:33:54,234
Speaker 2: sometimes that Yeah, like let the kitch either the room

826
00:33:54,274 --> 00:33:56,394
Speaker 2: service menu cuts off or they had the late night

827
00:33:56,474 --> 00:33:58,474
Speaker 2: snack menu, which is something gross, like a piece of

828
00:33:58,514 --> 00:34:00,394
Speaker 2: warmed up was on nearing, Like that's all I want it,

829
00:34:00,434 --> 00:34:02,354
Speaker 2: want to you can just assume the kitchen is like

830
00:34:02,394 --> 00:34:03,594
Speaker 2: we're staying open for taste.

831
00:34:03,794 --> 00:34:04,874
Speaker 1: She can have whatever she wants.

832
00:34:04,914 --> 00:34:06,754
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was really interesting and this is where like

833
00:34:06,754 --> 00:34:09,393
Speaker 4: I'm sure we'll see more of this as the doco continues.

834
00:34:09,433 --> 00:34:11,674
Speaker 4: I've loved the different facets so far. But what was

835
00:34:11,714 --> 00:34:14,794
Speaker 4: so interesting, like about that shift from the stage to

836
00:34:14,873 --> 00:34:17,433
Speaker 4: the hotel is like again that team who sat with

837
00:34:17,474 --> 00:34:19,433
Speaker 4: her under the stage, they then like usher her out.

838
00:34:19,474 --> 00:34:22,114
Speaker 4: That's her longtime assistant. That some people who are on

839
00:34:22,194 --> 00:34:23,754
Speaker 4: her team, and like she's hugging them and she's like

840
00:34:23,834 --> 00:34:25,754
Speaker 4: love you by and they're all saying love you. She

841
00:34:25,754 --> 00:34:27,714
Speaker 4: gets shoved in this car and it's just silence. And

842
00:34:27,754 --> 00:34:29,913
Speaker 4: I understand that sometimes in that car might be her

843
00:34:29,954 --> 00:34:32,634
Speaker 4: mum Andrea, or might be Travis or someone could be there.

844
00:34:32,834 --> 00:34:35,433
Speaker 4: But like they zip her shoes off for her and

845
00:34:35,594 --> 00:34:38,594
Speaker 4: just send her immediately from the stage into an suv

846
00:34:38,954 --> 00:34:41,114
Speaker 4: back to her hotel in her outfit.

847
00:34:41,274 --> 00:34:42,993
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Midnight's body soo like.

848
00:34:42,994 --> 00:34:45,154
Speaker 4: Back to an empty hotel, which again I know there

849
00:34:45,154 --> 00:34:47,314
Speaker 4: would sometimes be people there, but also there's not. And

850
00:34:47,314 --> 00:34:49,074
Speaker 4: that's a lot of where that life of a SHOWGIRLSS

851
00:34:49,074 --> 00:34:50,954
Speaker 4: that it came from. And you really saw it in

852
00:34:50,954 --> 00:34:52,873
Speaker 4: the y of Imagine how jarring that is to go

853
00:34:52,994 --> 00:34:55,874
Speaker 4: for one thousands screaming your name to this hotel room alone,

854
00:34:55,914 --> 00:34:58,074
Speaker 4: to unwind for an evening and as you.

855
00:34:58,034 --> 00:35:02,354
Speaker 3: Say, sometimes there's no one there, but there are something there,

856
00:35:02,394 --> 00:35:02,834
Speaker 3: isn't there.

857
00:35:02,914 --> 00:35:03,674
Speaker 1: There's the cats.

858
00:35:03,794 --> 00:35:06,834
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just so great to see she travel

859
00:35:07,234 --> 00:35:09,114
Speaker 2: of them, Benjamin, but the others.

860
00:35:11,594 --> 00:35:14,033
Speaker 3: I know those cats. I even know where she got

861
00:35:14,034 --> 00:35:16,194
Speaker 3: that cat from. It was on her music video, right,

862
00:35:16,674 --> 00:35:20,314
Speaker 3: So that's so amazing to see and like how like

863
00:35:20,394 --> 00:35:23,033
Speaker 3: comforting for her to come home to her cats. Yeah,

864
00:35:23,074 --> 00:35:25,954
Speaker 3: it's so interesting because when she like jumps into the

865
00:35:25,954 --> 00:35:27,914
Speaker 3: car like that, because you just I always assumed before

866
00:35:27,914 --> 00:35:30,154
Speaker 3: it kind of we became aware that's what she did,

867
00:35:30,394 --> 00:35:32,514
Speaker 3: that she would like go backstage and take her outfit

868
00:35:32,594 --> 00:35:34,474
Speaker 3: off and like talk to the crew and stuff. But

869
00:35:34,554 --> 00:35:36,234
Speaker 3: I wonder if it's also just to beat the traffic.

870
00:35:36,834 --> 00:35:38,274
Speaker 1: It's also security shows.

871
00:35:38,354 --> 00:35:40,634
Speaker 2: Yeah, security to get her straight out of there and

872
00:35:40,674 --> 00:35:43,314
Speaker 2: not have her sitting like in a car in the

873
00:35:43,354 --> 00:35:45,954
Speaker 2: traffic with everyone else. But yeah, I remember the Sydney

874
00:35:45,954 --> 00:35:48,554
Speaker 2: shows people being like like people are still cheering in

875
00:35:48,594 --> 00:35:51,473
Speaker 2: their streets and then like cheering in their seats like

876
00:35:51,714 --> 00:35:53,594
Speaker 2: the music had just stopped. And then there's video of

877
00:35:53,634 --> 00:35:55,913
Speaker 2: Taylors's car. It's already like ten minutes down the road

878
00:35:56,194 --> 00:35:57,714
Speaker 2: and the rest of us are still cheering for her.

879
00:35:58,074 --> 00:36:00,034
Speaker 4: The lights are barely off, the confetti's still falling.

880
00:36:00,194 --> 00:36:02,354
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like we're trying to get out of the car

881
00:36:02,394 --> 00:36:04,914
Speaker 3: park and she's ordering room service at the p Yeah,

882
00:36:05,234 --> 00:36:07,634
Speaker 3: as she should be. She should I can't. That's what

883
00:36:07,714 --> 00:36:09,354
Speaker 3: I want more of that life of a show girl

884
00:36:09,434 --> 00:36:12,194
Speaker 3: kind of being in the next few episodes, kind of

885
00:36:12,234 --> 00:36:14,433
Speaker 3: just seeing that more behind the scenes and stuff. But

886
00:36:14,474 --> 00:36:15,754
Speaker 3: that's why I wanted to ask you guys, because I

887
00:36:15,794 --> 00:36:17,714
Speaker 3: know you guys were watching it. You've watched it multiple times.

888
00:36:17,714 --> 00:36:19,433
Speaker 3: I know you were messaging each other. Yes, I was

889
00:36:19,474 --> 00:36:20,194
Speaker 3: on that chain, Spiller.

890
00:36:20,274 --> 00:36:22,714
Speaker 4: I didn't want to annoy you, so I s Laura

891
00:36:22,794 --> 00:36:24,194
Speaker 4: Brodnick famously doesn't.

892
00:36:23,994 --> 00:36:24,634
Speaker 1: Respond to me.

893
00:36:26,434 --> 00:36:28,314
Speaker 3: I just I'm just interested because you got what you

894
00:36:28,394 --> 00:36:30,194
Speaker 3: what's on what's on the text change? What did we

895
00:36:30,234 --> 00:36:30,834
Speaker 3: point out?

896
00:36:31,594 --> 00:36:33,634
Speaker 4: We were obviously very excited for Taylor. I just I

897
00:36:33,634 --> 00:36:36,594
Speaker 4: think in the first episode, obviously like it starts really

898
00:36:36,634 --> 00:36:39,114
Speaker 4: strong and really emotive, and it ends really well. But

899
00:36:39,154 --> 00:36:41,194
Speaker 4: in the middle portion, when we were doing like news

900
00:36:41,274 --> 00:36:44,234
Speaker 4: cuts of like people buying tickets and showing me tiktoks

901
00:36:44,234 --> 00:36:46,554
Speaker 4: of girls, I was like, I thought I was getting

902
00:36:46,594 --> 00:36:49,074
Speaker 4: behind the scenes, behind the scenes, but then it came back.

903
00:36:49,074 --> 00:36:49,594
Speaker 1: It came back.

904
00:36:49,714 --> 00:36:51,593
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I was just like, I did really love

905
00:36:51,874 --> 00:36:54,514
Speaker 4: the scenes of like people at the show just enjoying themselves.

906
00:36:54,634 --> 00:36:56,994
Speaker 4: That was really well done in how that was interspersed

907
00:36:57,554 --> 00:36:58,274
Speaker 4: throughout the footage.

908
00:36:58,314 --> 00:36:58,794
Speaker 1: That was great.

909
00:36:58,954 --> 00:37:01,314
Speaker 4: Yeah, But I did have some you know, thoughts on

910
00:37:01,354 --> 00:37:03,754
Speaker 4: the meeting on the middle part, A lot of a lot.

911
00:37:03,594 --> 00:37:06,154
Speaker 3: Of Our conversation is actually just about how much we

912
00:37:06,154 --> 00:37:06,674
Speaker 3: were crying.

913
00:37:06,754 --> 00:37:08,874
Speaker 1: What Yeah that first episode.

914
00:37:09,354 --> 00:37:11,754
Speaker 3: No, I was like, OK, so I started sobbing three

915
00:37:11,794 --> 00:37:15,754
Speaker 3: minutes in. Yeah, Tinas, he I just started I'm already crying,

916
00:37:15,994 --> 00:37:18,794
Speaker 3: Like there was just we just really kind of sobbed

917
00:37:18,834 --> 00:37:21,234
Speaker 3: through that first episode.

918
00:37:21,154 --> 00:37:21,314
Speaker 1: Yeah.

919
00:37:21,794 --> 00:37:26,194
Speaker 3: Something I did notice and was that we didn't see

920
00:37:26,274 --> 00:37:27,913
Speaker 3: much of her publicist Tree Paint.

921
00:37:28,594 --> 00:37:28,834
Speaker 1: Now.

922
00:37:29,794 --> 00:37:31,514
Speaker 3: I think a lot of a lot of people have

923
00:37:31,634 --> 00:37:34,873
Speaker 3: pointed this out, and I think because she played such

924
00:37:34,914 --> 00:37:40,034
Speaker 3: a pivotal role in the last documentary, Miss Americana, she

925
00:37:40,034 --> 00:37:42,274
Speaker 3: actually wasn't in it that much. It's just at that

926
00:37:42,354 --> 00:37:45,393
Speaker 3: one scene where she calls Taylor to tell her that

927
00:37:45,594 --> 00:37:48,913
Speaker 3: reputation didn't get any norms for the Grammys has really

928
00:37:48,914 --> 00:37:49,953
Speaker 3: stuck in people's head.

929
00:37:49,994 --> 00:37:52,434
Speaker 4: And she was there when she wrote the Risky Instagram

930
00:37:52,674 --> 00:37:53,314
Speaker 4: exactly with the.

931
00:37:53,354 --> 00:37:57,114
Speaker 2: Risky Instagram capture. And Tree has her own huge fandom.

932
00:37:59,154 --> 00:38:00,354
Speaker 2: People are obsessed with her.

933
00:38:00,434 --> 00:38:01,354
Speaker 1: People look to her.

934
00:38:01,794 --> 00:38:04,194
Speaker 3: There's like and Tree has been part of well, she's

935
00:38:04,234 --> 00:38:07,354
Speaker 3: been part of Team Taylor since the very very very

936
00:38:07,394 --> 00:38:11,994
Speaker 3: early days in Nashville, but in this role since the

937
00:38:12,034 --> 00:38:15,674
Speaker 3: release of nineteen eighty nine. So she's been beside Taylor, like,

938
00:38:15,874 --> 00:38:17,794
Speaker 3: you know, and Taylor was see that red head. You

939
00:38:17,794 --> 00:38:20,154
Speaker 3: know we've heard there's the if you need me anything

940
00:38:20,194 --> 00:38:20,554
Speaker 3: to talk to.

941
00:38:20,554 --> 00:38:22,114
Speaker 1: The red Head. Yeah, she tells me what to do.

942
00:38:22,274 --> 00:38:22,513
Speaker 3: Yeah.

943
00:38:22,834 --> 00:38:23,154
Speaker 1: Yeah.

944
00:38:23,194 --> 00:38:27,074
Speaker 3: So we've glimpsedte once so far in the documentary. I

945
00:38:27,114 --> 00:38:30,234
Speaker 3: know that the invisible hand of Tree is always around,

946
00:38:30,434 --> 00:38:32,114
Speaker 3: kind of you know, looking after things.

947
00:38:32,714 --> 00:38:35,074
Speaker 1: Will we see more of her? The fans definitely want to?

948
00:38:35,314 --> 00:38:36,754
Speaker 2: Oh, I hope so, because you know what I would

949
00:38:36,754 --> 00:38:39,714
Speaker 2: take a Tree Paine documentary where is that that woman's

950
00:38:39,754 --> 00:38:43,274
Speaker 2: life would be wild, managing the biggest superstar in the

951
00:38:43,314 --> 00:38:46,194
Speaker 2: world and essentially managing like the biggest entertainment business in

952
00:38:46,234 --> 00:38:49,154
Speaker 2: the world, and just the things that she would be across.

953
00:38:49,194 --> 00:38:50,594
Speaker 1: Like, that's what I want to see.

954
00:38:50,394 --> 00:38:53,234
Speaker 4: And we've obviously seen portions of it, but I also

955
00:38:53,234 --> 00:38:54,754
Speaker 4: really want to see a bit more about just like

956
00:38:54,754 --> 00:38:56,954
Speaker 4: the functionality, Like I want to see more of the stage.

957
00:38:56,994 --> 00:38:58,714
Speaker 4: I want to see more of how everything works. When

958
00:38:58,714 --> 00:39:01,114
Speaker 4: they when they did the shot and it like was

959
00:39:01,234 --> 00:39:03,154
Speaker 4: the stage being built and you kind of saw the

960
00:39:03,154 --> 00:39:05,834
Speaker 4: folklore house built into the stage behind the screens, I

961
00:39:05,874 --> 00:39:08,634
Speaker 4: was like, holy shit, Like, yeah, this was obviously massive

962
00:39:08,634 --> 00:39:10,634
Speaker 4: and it all works, so seamlessly on stage, and I

963
00:39:10,634 --> 00:39:12,434
Speaker 4: know we go into it a little bit in those episodes,

964
00:39:12,434 --> 00:39:14,954
Speaker 4: but I think because it's not chronological, you're just getting

965
00:39:14,954 --> 00:39:16,913
Speaker 4: glimpses of things here and there. I just like, I

966
00:39:16,954 --> 00:39:18,513
Speaker 4: hope we get to see, and I'm sure we will

967
00:39:18,594 --> 00:39:20,993
Speaker 4: a bit more of that production and how it all works.

968
00:39:21,514 --> 00:39:23,553
Speaker 4: We saw like how in depth, like oh my gosh,

969
00:39:23,554 --> 00:39:25,834
Speaker 4: Taylor was so involved in everything, but like you saw,

970
00:39:25,874 --> 00:39:28,034
Speaker 4: we saw her sort of briefing the singers and the dancers.

971
00:39:28,074 --> 00:39:29,634
Speaker 4: But like, I'm so interested to know how it all

972
00:39:29,634 --> 00:39:30,033
Speaker 4: came together.

973
00:39:30,034 --> 00:39:31,674
Speaker 3: I want to see more about the costuming as well.

974
00:39:31,674 --> 00:39:33,274
Speaker 3: We know a lot about the costume. We know, you know,

975
00:39:33,314 --> 00:39:35,314
Speaker 3: the first bodysuits for such, and we know she wears

976
00:39:35,354 --> 00:39:37,553
Speaker 3: a lot of a burder, a lot of Alberta for ready.

977
00:39:38,194 --> 00:39:41,114
Speaker 3: I would love to see some conversations between her and

978
00:39:41,154 --> 00:39:44,354
Speaker 3: the designers about what she's wanting. I would also love

979
00:39:44,394 --> 00:39:46,634
Speaker 3: to know, just like numbers, I want to know, you know,

980
00:39:46,714 --> 00:39:49,234
Speaker 3: she goes home in that Midnight's bodysuit. There was a

981
00:39:49,274 --> 00:39:51,634
Speaker 3: period of time, particularly the end, when they were filming

982
00:39:51,674 --> 00:39:54,513
Speaker 3: all of the Toronto shows, where she wears the same

983
00:39:54,514 --> 00:39:57,634
Speaker 3: costumes every night. So how many are there how many

984
00:39:57,714 --> 00:40:00,594
Speaker 3: of that Midnight's bodysit in particular, because if she going home,

985
00:40:00,714 --> 00:40:03,634
Speaker 3: is someone then coming and collecting it from her? I mean,

986
00:40:03,794 --> 00:40:06,714
Speaker 3: she see like such silly trivial things, and that's what

987
00:40:06,754 --> 00:40:08,794
Speaker 3: you want. You know, people think, why would you put

988
00:40:08,834 --> 00:40:11,034
Speaker 3: that in the documentary, but I want to know, I do.

989
00:40:11,274 --> 00:40:13,994
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, Well, that's very high brow stuff, you

990
00:40:14,034 --> 00:40:15,714
Speaker 2: guys know, mind it's a little bit mind's a bit

991
00:40:15,714 --> 00:40:18,994
Speaker 2: more tawdry because I'm yes, we're seeing the Travis Kelcey romance,

992
00:40:18,994 --> 00:40:21,033
Speaker 2: and like, yes, we know from clips that are coming

993
00:40:21,114 --> 00:40:23,033
Speaker 2: that we get a little bit more of that. And

994
00:40:23,234 --> 00:40:25,913
Speaker 2: it's a very pro Travis documentary, which is you know,

995
00:40:25,954 --> 00:40:27,554
Speaker 2: obviously fair because they're getting married.

996
00:40:27,794 --> 00:40:28,834
Speaker 1: But I just.

997
00:40:28,794 --> 00:40:30,634
Speaker 2: Wonder, and I'm sure we're not going to see this,

998
00:40:30,954 --> 00:40:33,634
Speaker 2: but she did have the breakup with Joe Alben while

999
00:40:33,754 --> 00:40:37,234
Speaker 2: the tour was going on, correct, and so that part

1000
00:40:37,354 --> 00:40:40,114
Speaker 2: is interspersed in there. And then we do have the

1001
00:40:40,154 --> 00:40:43,834
Speaker 2: Maddie Healy romance in the background there too. Do we

1002
00:40:43,834 --> 00:40:46,033
Speaker 2: think that that she's going to allude to that show

1003
00:40:46,074 --> 00:40:47,994
Speaker 2: anything about it, because that's just a huge part of

1004
00:40:48,034 --> 00:40:48,634
Speaker 2: her life on.

1005
00:40:48,634 --> 00:40:50,393
Speaker 3: Tour, But they were all at the top end of

1006
00:40:50,434 --> 00:40:53,834
Speaker 3: the tour and this documentary is predominantly and I know

1007
00:40:53,914 --> 00:40:57,114
Speaker 3: we've talked about the order, like the chronological list, it's not,

1008
00:40:57,634 --> 00:41:01,034
Speaker 3: but I do think from here on in we are

1009
00:41:01,074 --> 00:41:03,834
Speaker 3: going to see a more chronological rundown to the final show.

1010
00:41:04,274 --> 00:41:05,514
Speaker 3: I think at the beginning they had to put a

1011
00:41:05,514 --> 00:41:09,594
Speaker 3: bit of context to the tortures department. She didn't address Maddie.

1012
00:41:09,634 --> 00:41:10,993
Speaker 1: Then she's not going to address him.

1013
00:41:10,954 --> 00:41:12,674
Speaker 2: Right, I think she'd address him, But I'm like, I

1014
00:41:12,674 --> 00:41:14,154
Speaker 2: wonder if there's a way to kind of that she

1015
00:41:14,154 --> 00:41:17,274
Speaker 2: would be alluding to something that's going on behind the scenes.

1016
00:41:17,314 --> 00:41:20,194
Speaker 2: I don't think because it all happened, it all happened earlier,

1017
00:41:20,354 --> 00:41:22,354
Speaker 2: and we're looking at the back end of the tour.

1018
00:41:22,474 --> 00:41:24,674
Speaker 2: I wish it had like I kind of would obviously

1019
00:41:24,674 --> 00:41:26,834
Speaker 2: we all wish that would have been so interesting. I

1020
00:41:26,834 --> 00:41:28,954
Speaker 2: would love to But I also wonder, like what the

1021
00:41:28,994 --> 00:41:32,554
Speaker 2: decision was like around I know when they first announced

1022
00:41:32,554 --> 00:41:34,674
Speaker 2: the errors tour dates like it was so small by

1023
00:41:34,674 --> 00:41:36,393
Speaker 2: comparison to what it ended up. And I know they

1024
00:41:36,474 --> 00:41:38,034
Speaker 2: thought like, oh, we'll do a world tour, but they

1025
00:41:38,114 --> 00:41:41,074
Speaker 2: probably they didn't envision what ended up happening. But I

1026
00:41:41,114 --> 00:41:45,114
Speaker 2: do wonder about the decision to bring in the doco. Now,

1027
00:41:45,434 --> 00:41:47,433
Speaker 2: like at this point in the European leg, like we're

1028
00:41:47,594 --> 00:41:49,913
Speaker 2: at the midway point of twenty twenty four where she's

1029
00:41:49,914 --> 00:41:52,754
Speaker 2: only got like one or two, like two legs left.

1030
00:41:52,794 --> 00:41:54,274
Speaker 2: But I wonder if it was because she knew she

1031
00:41:54,314 --> 00:41:57,354
Speaker 2: was recording Showgirl and she wanted to expand it out.

1032
00:41:57,474 --> 00:41:58,354
Speaker 2: I'm interested in that.

1033
00:41:58,474 --> 00:42:02,554
Speaker 3: I feel like it was when they realized how Mammoth

1034
00:42:02,714 --> 00:42:05,274
Speaker 3: and the impact of this tour, like it was the

1035
00:42:05,354 --> 00:42:08,154
Speaker 3: biggest tour ever, it made them more money, you know,

1036
00:42:08,554 --> 00:42:11,194
Speaker 3: all of these like quantifiable things that happened, the swift

1037
00:42:11,194 --> 00:42:13,473
Speaker 3: nomics which they brought into this first episode as well.

1038
00:42:13,474 --> 00:42:15,714
Speaker 3: It was kind of like okay, wait, like we knew

1039
00:42:15,714 --> 00:42:18,554
Speaker 3: this would be big, but this is bigger than anyone

1040
00:42:18,594 --> 00:42:22,314
Speaker 3: could have ever anticipated. No one can quite explain why.

1041
00:42:23,074 --> 00:42:24,873
Speaker 3: And I think it was like, okay, well let's do

1042
00:42:24,954 --> 00:42:27,234
Speaker 3: a doco, like let's let's explore this.

1043
00:42:27,514 --> 00:42:28,433
Speaker 1: And that's why it came in.

1044
00:42:28,674 --> 00:42:30,234
Speaker 4: And that's at the point too, where she's altering the

1045
00:42:30,234 --> 00:42:32,474
Speaker 4: show yet again and doing a whole hour. Yes, so

1046
00:42:32,594 --> 00:42:34,114
Speaker 4: like I guess it was a good point in time.

1047
00:42:34,314 --> 00:42:37,314
Speaker 1: But I'm excited. Yeah, yeah, Now I don't know.

1048
00:42:37,594 --> 00:42:39,834
Speaker 2: Well, I know so many people were saying, like, oh,

1049
00:42:39,874 --> 00:42:42,234
Speaker 2: I wish they dropped it all at once. I was like, no, no, no, no,

1050
00:42:42,474 --> 00:42:45,394
Speaker 2: too much much to take in. We've had two episodes,

1051
00:42:45,394 --> 00:42:47,634
Speaker 2: as I said, we've got two more coming on December nineteen,

1052
00:42:47,714 --> 00:42:50,754
Speaker 2: two more coming on December twenty six, so we'll obviously

1053
00:42:50,834 --> 00:42:52,473
Speaker 2: be talking about it more. But I feel like that

1054
00:42:52,514 --> 00:42:54,634
Speaker 2: was a really good like intro to the errors tour

1055
00:42:55,074 --> 00:42:57,754
Speaker 2: these first two episodes, yeah, or the intro to the

1056
00:42:57,874 --> 00:42:59,714
Speaker 2: end of the era, which is what it is, and

1057
00:42:59,754 --> 00:43:01,473
Speaker 2: the build up and like how much we know we're

1058
00:43:01,474 --> 00:43:04,154
Speaker 2: going to see about that final show, so so excited.

1059
00:43:04,234 --> 00:43:05,913
Speaker 2: Will obviously be talking about it more and we'll all

1060
00:43:05,954 --> 00:43:09,074
Speaker 2: back from holidays assessed it. But thank you to you too,

1061
00:43:09,314 --> 00:43:12,154
Speaker 2: Swifties for joining us day and sharing your thoughts. And

1062
00:43:12,194 --> 00:43:13,873
Speaker 2: I hope you don't both sob too much in the

1063
00:43:13,874 --> 00:43:15,034
Speaker 2: next episode, but I'm sure.

1064
00:43:14,874 --> 00:43:16,474
Speaker 1: You same, but we probably will.

1065
00:43:16,554 --> 00:43:18,674
Speaker 2: Yeah, Taylor, that's what Taylor brings out in people.

1066
00:43:18,714 --> 00:43:19,434
Speaker 1: It's very lovely.

1067
00:43:22,154 --> 00:43:24,154
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for listening today, and don't

1068
00:43:24,194 --> 00:43:26,714
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1069
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1071
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