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Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and warders

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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on Hello out louders, it's

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Speaker 2: holly here and I have got a treat for you.

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Speaker 2: A few weeks ago, we did something really special. We

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Speaker 2: took over the Apple Store in Sydney. We've never done

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Speaker 2: anything like this before, right, Mia and Jesse and I

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Speaker 2: went into an open store where people had registered to

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Speaker 2: come and watch us record a show. We were celebrating

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Speaker 2: ten years of Mamma Mia out Loud, which is wild.

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Speaker 2: I can hardly believe that now. Obviously not everyone could

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Speaker 2: join us. Not everybody lives near the Sydney Apple Store.

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Speaker 2: Although wouldn't we all like to live in the Sydney

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Speaker 2: Apple Store. But we recorded the whole show and we

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Speaker 2: thought that this public holiday was a great excuse to

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Speaker 2: share it with all of you. It was packed with

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Speaker 2: familiar faces. Amelia Lester sat down and as just questions

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Speaker 2: and we talked about things like how I managed to

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Speaker 2: Reflected on how we put the show together. We decide

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Speaker 2: what to talk about about and shared some of our

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Speaker 2: most memorable moments. We hope you enjoy this very special

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Speaker 2: recording that today at Apple ten year anniversary special of

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Speaker 2: Mama Mia Out Loud starts right now.

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Speaker 1: Hello out louders, so good to see you and thank

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Speaker 1: you for coming out to celebrate ten years of Mama

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Speaker 1: Mia out Loud. I am here in my official capacity

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Speaker 1: as a friend of the pod, but secretly I have

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Speaker 1: to tell you I am a fan of the pod.

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Speaker 1: I have been listening since day one to these ladies talking,

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Speaker 1: and I have to tell you, as someone who's filled

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Speaker 1: in a couple of times recently, it is so much

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Speaker 1: hotter than it looks to produce this amazing podcast every week.

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Speaker 1: So I'm excited to get into how they do it,

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Speaker 1: and I am going to ask them lots of questions

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Speaker 1: about that. But first, Miya, hello us.

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Speaker 4: I've decided that I need to put accessories on my

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Speaker 4: buying accessories for my accessories. This is just an old

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Speaker 1: Well backstage, I'm not going to embarrass the others by

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Speaker 1: talking us through their outfits. But backstage, Holly showed me

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Speaker 1: her lipstick wardrobe, and I do want to know, Holly,

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Speaker 2: I've got one of those Unicotto bags that are shaped

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Speaker 3: I think I'm wearing three different ones.

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Speaker 1: It's like French.

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Speaker 2: It's like how Megan wears two different shades of nail polish.

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Speaker 1: The affiliate links will be available later. Okay, Mia, the

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Speaker 1: very first episode of Mama Mia out loud. It went

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Speaker 1: live in October twenty fourteen, and we looked back and

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Speaker 1: found out what it was called. Do you remember, No,

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Speaker 1: it was called The Bachelor Aftermath episode. I didn't even

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Speaker 1: And anyway, it's not about what I like, It's about what.

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Speaker 1: So tell me what made you want to start a

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Speaker 4: I'd been listening to a lot of podcasts i'd originally,

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Speaker 4: I realized I'd been on holidays and I've been listening

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Speaker 4: And I realized that what Mama Mia does is actually

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Speaker 4: But it took years for anyone to understand what.

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Speaker 6: No, she never tells you what she wants you to do.

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Speaker 6: As you know very well, Amelia, I remember because when

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Speaker 5: I think it was very intimate, wasn't it. It was

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Speaker 6: It did what no one else was doing, which was

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Speaker 6: it was nuanced, it changed your mind. And then when

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Speaker 6: And the reason I was asked was because you were

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Speaker 4: Was it about how you kept saying problem? I came

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Speaker 6: Earnests exactly, guys, I've got the feedback, can it on.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to that you later. Holy You joined a

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Speaker 2: I was always trying to get on that podcast, Like

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Speaker 2: the reasons that Jesse just said about this connection that

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Speaker 3: If you listen, and you know, if you don't, you're

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Speaker 2: Although the show has changed a certain amount over that time,

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Speaker 1: Speaking of feedback, you've created this amazing community called the

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Speaker 4: It's really interesting because it is a community, and part

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Speaker 4: like too many royals. But the thing is, when you've

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Speaker 1: wonder if I can throw to you on this one

436
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Speaker 1: and ask how you maintain that balance when you're talking

437
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Speaker 1: about topics that you feel really strongly about, but which

438
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Speaker 1: you're not on the same page with each other about.

439
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Speaker 1: I think it's fundamental.

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Speaker 6: When we started seeing that that was so integral to

441
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Speaker 6: the DNA of the show, I don't think we realized

442
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Speaker 6: how important it would become. It's actually become increasingly important

443
00:20:22,742 --> 00:20:26,982
Speaker 6: culturally and socially in the last five years. I actually

444
00:20:27,061 --> 00:20:28,742
Speaker 6: think we can attribute some of the growth of our

445
00:20:28,782 --> 00:20:33,302
Speaker 6: show to that, because without getting to up ourselves, it's

446
00:20:33,302 --> 00:20:35,622
Speaker 6: foundational to a democracy, like the fact that you can

447
00:20:35,702 --> 00:20:38,782
Speaker 6: sit with people, whether it's a staff prim at a school,

448
00:20:38,982 --> 00:20:41,901
Speaker 6: or around dinner table or at a family Christmas and

449
00:20:42,061 --> 00:20:45,422
Speaker 6: know that people are going to think differently to you.

450
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Speaker 6: To have a disagreement is to have curiosity about how

451
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Speaker 6: other people think and understand that everyone comes from a

452
00:20:53,341 --> 00:20:57,262
Speaker 6: different place. I think it's what makes the podcast interesting,

453
00:20:57,302 --> 00:20:59,421
Speaker 6: and there's a tendency now to go I'm not going

454
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Speaker 6: to talk to someone who thinks differently to me on

455
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Speaker 6: this issue. I am not going to engage with anyone

456
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Speaker 6: who doesn't vote exactly how I do.

457
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Speaker 7: And that's not how you change the world.

458
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Speaker 6: It's not how you change people's minds and it's not curious.

459
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Speaker 6: I think that we probably reflect a lot more what

460
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Speaker 6: real women's lives look like. And it's often been that

461
00:21:17,101 --> 00:21:18,701
Speaker 6: if two women are having a fight, then it's a

462
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Speaker 6: cap fight, and that it's dramatized. But the fact that

463
00:21:22,022 --> 00:21:23,742
Speaker 6: we can have an argument and then have a laugh

464
00:21:23,742 --> 00:21:27,941
Speaker 6: a second later, again models what actual female relationships are like.

465
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Speaker 1: It's interesting that that kind of evolved over time as

466
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Speaker 1: what was really important to the podcast Mia when you

467
00:21:33,302 --> 00:21:35,582
Speaker 1: started it was that in your mind, it's something that

468
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Speaker 1: was really important to you. The idea of modeling respectful disagreement.

469
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Speaker 4: Well, I don't think we articulated as that, but I

470
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Speaker 4: know that it's never interesting to hear people violently agree

471
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Speaker 4: with each other.

472
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Speaker 1: There's that there's.

473
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Speaker 5: Everyone going, yeah, you're so right. Yeah no, but you're

474
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Speaker 5: so right.

475
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Speaker 4: But then it seems that the other side of it

476
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Speaker 4: that we see so much play out online and in

477
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Speaker 4: the media is people just attacking each other and so polarized,

478
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Speaker 4: and as Jesse said, that's not how the world works.

479
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Speaker 3: Like sometimes people will.

480
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Speaker 4: Say to me, you know, I don't agree with everything

481
00:22:06,061 --> 00:22:09,581
Speaker 4: you say, and I'm like, I don't either, Like I

482
00:22:09,661 --> 00:22:12,981
Speaker 4: think of anyone in my life, not my children, my parents,

483
00:22:13,141 --> 00:22:15,982
Speaker 4: my best friends, certainly, not my husband, not even you.

484
00:22:16,542 --> 00:22:18,861
Speaker 4: And we're so close that I agree with everything that

485
00:22:18,861 --> 00:22:21,262
Speaker 4: they say. I mean, that would be so boring. Yeah,

486
00:22:21,381 --> 00:22:23,901
Speaker 4: and that's just what normal life is like, right, And

487
00:22:24,222 --> 00:22:26,341
Speaker 4: you disagree, but you don't stop loving someone.

488
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Speaker 5: You don't block and report them, you don't.

489
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Speaker 1: Say you're out. You kind of work through it.

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Speaker 6: I think modeling that as well, Like it's become, especially

491
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Speaker 6: in the online space, you disagree with someone and it

492
00:22:37,022 --> 00:22:41,141
Speaker 6: resorts to the most vicious name calling. I think we

493
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Speaker 6: take that responsibility very seriously to play the idea and

494
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Speaker 6: not the person. Like hopefully that's something that can be preserved.

495
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Speaker 3: There are sometimes when we.

496
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Speaker 2: Get a bit too heated with each other, like when

497
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Speaker 2: me and I will slag off one of my recommendations,

498
00:22:54,222 --> 00:22:57,581
Speaker 2: which are always excellent, of course, and then I'll be like,

499
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Speaker 2: how very dare you? Ruth will have to step in

500
00:23:00,381 --> 00:23:03,382
Speaker 2: between us. I've just realized that you know that thing

501
00:23:03,422 --> 00:23:05,901
Speaker 2: that me is holding, Yeah, I thought it was one

502
00:23:05,942 --> 00:23:06,662
Speaker 2: of your fidget choice.

503
00:23:06,661 --> 00:23:08,861
Speaker 3: It is right because maybe you're a Marvel super villain.

504
00:23:08,901 --> 00:23:10,742
Speaker 2: Because it also it's like one of those things that's

505
00:23:10,782 --> 00:23:13,381
Speaker 2: always saving the world hair on it.

506
00:23:13,381 --> 00:23:17,261
Speaker 1: It's kind of It just helps me focus and concentrate.

507
00:23:17,861 --> 00:23:19,941
Speaker 1: You guys are saving the world one podcast at a

508
00:23:19,982 --> 00:23:22,142
Speaker 1: time in the respect that you are modeling this thing

509
00:23:22,222 --> 00:23:24,941
Speaker 1: that's really scarce, scarce in our culture. But I do

510
00:23:24,982 --> 00:23:26,422
Speaker 1: want to draw everyone's attention.

511
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Speaker 2: To the fact that you were soldiers exactly making the

512
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Speaker 2: world a better place.

513
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Speaker 3: At a time.

514
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Speaker 1: Did you ever think that you were going to be

515
00:23:36,821 --> 00:23:40,262
Speaker 1: doing this much singing and dance. I did not.

516
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Speaker 3: It was so funny.

517
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Speaker 2: Last week we spent a couple of days on set

518
00:23:43,661 --> 00:23:46,221
Speaker 2: making a video for our next live show. We're not

519
00:23:46,222 --> 00:23:48,221
Speaker 2: going to spoil anything, but there's a little bit of

520
00:23:48,222 --> 00:23:51,381
Speaker 2: this kind of action going on in different outfits, and

521
00:23:51,542 --> 00:23:55,901
Speaker 2: honest to goodness, I am in my fifties and I

522
00:23:55,942 --> 00:24:03,141
Speaker 2: have children, and apparently I'm a respected author. Well the

523
00:24:03,302 --> 00:24:08,502
Speaker 2: debate it's but Jesse's are respected at least, and then

524
00:24:08,581 --> 00:24:12,821
Speaker 2: I'm suddenly there I am like learning choreography and looking

525
00:24:12,901 --> 00:24:16,742
Speaker 2: ridiculous in my Beyonce costume from last year, for example.

526
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Speaker 3: It's enormous fun. It's never ever boring.

527
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Speaker 1: Mia. You did singing for the HSC really and.

528
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Speaker 4: So I thought I would love, you know, getting to

529
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Speaker 4: dress up and spending two days on a shoot, and

530
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Speaker 4: it's like, you know, you secretly think I'd love to

531
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Speaker 4: be Nicole Kidman, or might go Robbie, or I'd love

532
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Speaker 4: to be Beyonce or maybe Tay.

533
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Speaker 1: You've thought this a lot, right my whole life.

534
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Speaker 2: She takes it so seriously. It's so fun when we're

535
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Speaker 2: practicing the choreography and the singing Ya Mea is always

536
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Speaker 2: like she gets cross with you because you.

537
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Speaker 1: Get it wrong.

538
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Speaker 3: So much fun.

539
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Speaker 4: But then on the actual set, after like about half

540
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Speaker 4: an hour, I just started complaining and I just wanted

541
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Speaker 4: to go home because it is so boring.

542
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Speaker 6: You don't have the patience and you don't have the

543
00:24:58,462 --> 00:25:01,741
Speaker 6: work because there's there was choreography to learn, and I

544
00:25:01,782 --> 00:25:04,101
Speaker 6: will say you hadn't learned it, but you know who had.

545
00:25:04,462 --> 00:25:06,821
Speaker 6: I can't dance, so I knew that I had to practice.

546
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Speaker 6: And I was like, maya step two step clap, and

547
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Speaker 6: I know I think, I like, no, yes. I.

548
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Speaker 2: It's like in those behind the scenes on the set

549
00:25:13,341 --> 00:25:15,982
Speaker 2: documentaries where someone will say she was so professional, she

550
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Speaker 2: never complained.

551
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Speaker 3: They're not saying that. No one's saying she didn't know

552
00:25:20,381 --> 00:25:20,942
Speaker 3: but complain.

553
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Speaker 1: But the humor is really important to the show too,

554
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Speaker 1: and I don't want it to make it sound like

555
00:25:24,901 --> 00:25:27,581
Speaker 1: you're always talking about incredibly weighty topics.

556
00:25:27,942 --> 00:25:31,622
Speaker 4: Silliness is really silliness, and about that. I think it's

557
00:25:31,621 --> 00:25:33,981
Speaker 4: so important to just have a laugh. You know, there

558
00:25:33,982 --> 00:25:35,861
Speaker 4: are a lot of podcasts that are news podcast or

559
00:25:35,942 --> 00:25:38,181
Speaker 4: heavy serious podcasts, and then there are podcasts that are

560
00:25:38,222 --> 00:25:41,381
Speaker 4: comedy podcast or gossip podcast and Out Loud for the

561
00:25:41,422 --> 00:25:44,262
Speaker 4: same reason that Mum and Maya is about all of

562
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Speaker 4: the things that women are interested in, so is out Loud.

563
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Speaker 4: And I think it's really important. Sometimes those gearshifts, we

564
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Speaker 4: have to be careful to go down through the gears.

565
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Speaker 4: But when we're planning a show, you've got to have

566
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Speaker 4: some laughs.

567
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Speaker 5: You've got to have.

568
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Speaker 7: Something, especially at the moment.

569
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Speaker 5: I feel it at all the moments.

570
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Speaker 2: Yeah, cod the time that shall not be named when

571
00:26:05,222 --> 00:26:07,702
Speaker 2: we went to three shows a week, because you all

572
00:26:07,702 --> 00:26:09,421
Speaker 2: have your own memories of that time, of course, but

573
00:26:09,821 --> 00:26:12,462
Speaker 2: we were suddenly everybody's going home, We're learning how to

574
00:26:12,502 --> 00:26:14,381
Speaker 2: record from home. How do you connect to mike to

575
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Speaker 2: your computer? Can I put a towel over my head?

576
00:26:16,422 --> 00:26:18,101
Speaker 2: Where do I hide one of my children? Because they're

577
00:26:18,101 --> 00:26:20,542
Speaker 2: screaming like we were on a steep learning curve. But

578
00:26:20,621 --> 00:26:21,982
Speaker 2: we also instinct.

579
00:26:21,782 --> 00:26:23,701
Speaker 5: Jesse was living in my house as she was.

580
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Speaker 2: We also instinctively knew that we should do more rather

581
00:26:27,101 --> 00:26:29,421
Speaker 2: than less, because everybody was going to be in the

582
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Speaker 2: similar situation. And it was a very tricky decision all

583
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Speaker 2: the time to work out how much we should talk

584
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Speaker 2: about what was happening and how much we should talk

585
00:26:37,982 --> 00:26:39,941
Speaker 2: about other things, and we were trying to strike a

586
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Speaker 2: balance of distraction.

587
00:26:41,061 --> 00:26:42,462
Speaker 3: Distraction is really.

588
00:26:42,661 --> 00:26:45,502
Speaker 2: Hopefully an important part of what we do. As well

589
00:26:45,542 --> 00:26:48,101
Speaker 2: as holding up some things to the light, you also

590
00:26:48,141 --> 00:26:49,782
Speaker 2: sometimes just want to look at something else.

591
00:26:49,861 --> 00:26:52,462
Speaker 1: Right. The Friday Show was great for that reason. That's

592
00:26:52,462 --> 00:26:56,141
Speaker 1: a relatively new innovation, right, And that came about why

593
00:26:56,621 --> 00:26:58,702
Speaker 1: why did you decide to divorce from the news cycle

594
00:26:58,742 --> 00:27:01,782
Speaker 1: on that day? Yeah, because the new cycle is really bleak,

595
00:27:01,861 --> 00:27:05,222
Speaker 1: and I think sometimes announcing at the beginning we're stepping

596
00:27:05,222 --> 00:27:08,581
Speaker 1: away from the news cycle, it gives people permission to go,

597
00:27:08,702 --> 00:27:12,061
Speaker 1: oh so literally exhale and just go If I want

598
00:27:12,061 --> 00:27:14,662
Speaker 1: to find news on this particular day, I can find

599
00:27:14,661 --> 00:27:17,022
Speaker 1: it elsewhere, including on Mum and Maya. But of course

600
00:27:17,061 --> 00:27:18,421
Speaker 1: every way you know, We're not going to give you

601
00:27:18,462 --> 00:27:20,542
Speaker 1: everything that you need. We're not that arrogant to think

602
00:27:20,542 --> 00:27:22,902
Speaker 1: that we ever would. But sometimes it's just nice to go.

603
00:27:23,101 --> 00:27:25,902
Speaker 1: You know what, We're just keeping a light today.

604
00:27:25,702 --> 00:27:27,341
Speaker 7: And on the lightness and the silliness.

605
00:27:27,621 --> 00:27:29,941
Speaker 6: I think we all know the experience of listening to

606
00:27:30,022 --> 00:27:32,901
Speaker 6: something or watching something and that might be the only

607
00:27:32,982 --> 00:27:35,941
Speaker 6: time you laugh that day. Or just recently, I was

608
00:27:35,982 --> 00:27:39,262
Speaker 6: on maternity leave and it was the only adult conversation

609
00:27:39,542 --> 00:27:41,061
Speaker 6: that I was a part of that day.

610
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Speaker 7: And the importance of that.

611
00:27:43,861 --> 00:27:46,821
Speaker 6: I really think that, in terms of people's moods and

612
00:27:46,821 --> 00:27:47,782
Speaker 6: connection is so.

613
00:27:47,702 --> 00:27:50,421
Speaker 1: Important your audience. We talked a little bit about the

614
00:27:50,422 --> 00:27:53,381
Speaker 1: fact that it really does fan generations, and that's evident

615
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Speaker 1: here today. I'm wondering how you maintain that relevance across

616
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Speaker 1: this incredibly broad demographic. A lot of podcasts are very

617
00:28:00,782 --> 00:28:04,061
Speaker 1: explicitly for one particular age or stage. Yeah, yours is

618
00:28:04,101 --> 00:28:04,782
Speaker 1: not like that.

619
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Speaker 6: So Jesse, I'm on, I spend a lot of time

620
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Speaker 6: on TikTok a job. I'll be like, there's TikTok drama, Olex, Yeah,

621
00:28:11,942 --> 00:28:15,142
Speaker 6: TikTok drama. And we've started doing this all or nothing segment,

622
00:28:15,222 --> 00:28:17,782
Speaker 6: which is like when one of us knows, Like even recently,

623
00:28:17,821 --> 00:28:20,221
Speaker 6: you guys talking about the Kennedys and I was just going,

624
00:28:20,381 --> 00:28:23,181
Speaker 6: I have very little context to what you're talking about.

625
00:28:23,222 --> 00:28:24,941
Speaker 7: But that's really interesting.

626
00:28:25,061 --> 00:28:27,261
Speaker 6: Like some of the best relationships I have are with

627
00:28:27,462 --> 00:28:30,341
Speaker 6: women of all different ages. So I think that existing

628
00:28:30,422 --> 00:28:33,502
Speaker 6: in those different worlds. That's been interesting to navigate is

629
00:28:33,542 --> 00:28:37,701
Speaker 6: the fracturing of celebrity because when you two started in media,

630
00:28:37,742 --> 00:28:39,862
Speaker 6: it was very clear who the big celebrities were, and

631
00:28:39,902 --> 00:28:43,742
Speaker 6: now someone with ten million followers on YouTube could walk

632
00:28:43,782 --> 00:28:45,262
Speaker 6: down the street and none of us would know who

633
00:28:45,262 --> 00:28:48,421
Speaker 6: they were, and so navigating who the people are that

634
00:28:48,422 --> 00:28:51,742
Speaker 6: people are interested in. We did something recently on Anna

635
00:28:51,822 --> 00:28:54,941
Speaker 6: Paul and it was our most listened to episode in months.

636
00:28:55,142 --> 00:28:56,742
Speaker 6: You know, my mum would have no idea who Anna

637
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Speaker 6: Paul is.

638
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I's see.

639
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Speaker 5: I like that.

640
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Speaker 4: I like it learning things about different generations and what

641
00:29:01,262 --> 00:29:02,062
Speaker 4: they're interested in.

642
00:29:02,142 --> 00:29:03,902
Speaker 2: And I think sometimes we're a bit of a bridge

643
00:29:04,102 --> 00:29:06,542
Speaker 2: between because we're as well as whether or not you're

644
00:29:06,542 --> 00:29:09,222
Speaker 2: siloed by your age, or you're siloed by your which

645
00:29:09,622 --> 00:29:11,981
Speaker 2: or media platform you like or whatever. I think what

646
00:29:12,142 --> 00:29:14,701
Speaker 2: none of us like is being made to feel dumb

647
00:29:14,822 --> 00:29:19,181
Speaker 2: because we don't understand TikTok or we don't understand what language.

648
00:29:19,222 --> 00:29:21,661
Speaker 2: And that's where we can kind of allow ourselves to

649
00:29:21,702 --> 00:29:24,862
Speaker 2: become a bit isolated, and hopefully when we do talk

650
00:29:24,862 --> 00:29:27,302
Speaker 2: about these things, we triy really hard not to patronize

651
00:29:27,382 --> 00:29:28,862
Speaker 2: but also be a bit of a bridge.

652
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Speaker 1: Yes, Mia One Media, Yes, this is a serious question

653
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Speaker 1: on your series.

654
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Speaker 5: I'm going to ask you a question. So we've been.

655
00:29:38,982 --> 00:29:41,941
Speaker 4: You've been filling in quite a bit, and I wanted

656
00:29:41,982 --> 00:29:44,422
Speaker 4: to ask you what it was like going from being

657
00:29:44,462 --> 00:29:48,221
Speaker 4: a listener to being on the show, and what was

658
00:29:48,342 --> 00:29:50,982
Speaker 4: different to what you thought it would be.

659
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Speaker 1: How was it different? I hate to say nice things

660
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Speaker 1: to you.

661
00:29:53,982 --> 00:29:56,262
Speaker 7: You don't look at her when you say it.

662
00:29:56,302 --> 00:29:56,941
Speaker 1: I find that right.

663
00:29:57,102 --> 00:29:59,622
Speaker 4: I'll look away, I'll look at that very cute baby

664
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Speaker 4: with those beautiful eyes.

665
00:30:02,862 --> 00:30:06,181
Speaker 1: It's really hard, I would say, And I didn't realize

666
00:30:06,302 --> 00:30:10,862
Speaker 1: how difficult it was to speak a essentially off the cuff.

667
00:30:10,862 --> 00:30:12,902
Speaker 1: You get a little bit of prep time, but essentially

668
00:30:12,902 --> 00:30:16,302
Speaker 1: off the cuff about these wildly divergent topics three times

669
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Speaker 1: a week.

670
00:30:16,942 --> 00:30:17,822
Speaker 5: It's really hard.

671
00:30:18,142 --> 00:30:19,942
Speaker 1: I just realized, I think I said to you after

672
00:30:19,982 --> 00:30:22,862
Speaker 1: doing it once, this is so much harder than it looks.

673
00:30:22,942 --> 00:30:24,742
Speaker 1: And I think it's like, don't look at me, because

674
00:30:24,742 --> 00:30:27,102
Speaker 1: I'm going to get really nice about you. When someone

675
00:30:27,182 --> 00:30:30,102
Speaker 1: is good at something, I think they make it look easy.

676
00:30:30,582 --> 00:30:32,902
Speaker 1: That's sort of the definition of someone being good at something,

677
00:30:33,062 --> 00:30:35,221
Speaker 1: because you don't want to suffer through something where you

678
00:30:35,222 --> 00:30:37,822
Speaker 1: can tell someone's trying really hard or working really hard.

679
00:30:38,102 --> 00:30:40,022
Speaker 1: And I think that's the genius of this show is

680
00:30:40,062 --> 00:30:43,222
Speaker 1: that it does feel like it sees three friends talking,

681
00:30:43,582 --> 00:30:46,382
Speaker 1: but it's actually got so much scaffolding around it to

682
00:30:46,422 --> 00:30:49,302
Speaker 1: get you to that product true that you're not punching.

683
00:30:50,382 --> 00:30:51,982
Speaker 2: I also know how hard it is to be all

684
00:30:51,982 --> 00:30:54,102
Speaker 2: of you because when Brent got that thing stuck in

685
00:30:54,102 --> 00:30:56,022
Speaker 2: his eye and I had a week off a new

686
00:30:56,102 --> 00:30:56,782
Speaker 2: three host of the.

687
00:30:56,742 --> 00:30:59,902
Speaker 3: Show, you were so wrong about so many things.

688
00:31:00,222 --> 00:31:02,302
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I was just there listening to it, And

689
00:31:02,302 --> 00:31:04,822
Speaker 2: now I was just one shouting at the phone. I

690
00:31:04,822 --> 00:31:08,502
Speaker 2: wanted to write to someone with some plates. I recognize

691
00:31:08,502 --> 00:31:10,702
Speaker 2: how hard it is to be eyes when we're very

692
00:31:10,702 --> 00:31:11,742
Speaker 2: wrong and you're very right.

693
00:31:11,822 --> 00:31:14,102
Speaker 1: What's the one topic I'm going to play like newly

694
00:31:14,142 --> 00:31:16,862
Speaker 1: words game. What's the onond topic that you wish that

695
00:31:17,062 --> 00:31:19,542
Speaker 1: the others would stop bringing me out. What topic do

696
00:31:19,582 --> 00:31:22,142
Speaker 1: you wish is so fun? Holly would stop bringing.

697
00:31:21,982 --> 00:31:27,182
Speaker 4: Oh Guinness, it's been a big week in Gwinneth news

698
00:31:28,622 --> 00:31:32,941
Speaker 4: for Jesse. Jesse just is smart, so she'll be the

699
00:31:32,942 --> 00:31:34,582
Speaker 4: one that will go let's talk about the budget.

700
00:31:35,382 --> 00:31:38,662
Speaker 2: No, the budgets all right, but I have to learn

701
00:31:38,822 --> 00:31:40,902
Speaker 2: the bichological.

702
00:31:40,062 --> 00:31:42,661
Speaker 1: Thing about her university degree.

703
00:31:43,262 --> 00:31:43,862
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's me.

704
00:31:44,502 --> 00:31:48,142
Speaker 6: I could hear less about me as dogs. As dogs

705
00:31:48,182 --> 00:31:51,862
Speaker 6: could have a little rest and look, Megan.

706
00:31:53,462 --> 00:31:54,942
Speaker 3: This is feeling very personal.

707
00:31:55,502 --> 00:31:56,782
Speaker 7: I watched my episode.

708
00:31:57,222 --> 00:32:00,142
Speaker 6: I've not watched another episode, and I won't be listening

709
00:32:00,182 --> 00:32:00,782
Speaker 6: to the podcast.

710
00:32:00,782 --> 00:32:01,981
Speaker 7: And that's fine.

711
00:32:02,262 --> 00:32:04,062
Speaker 1: I want to talk about body image every week, and.

712
00:32:04,102 --> 00:32:07,422
Speaker 2: They so I wants to talk about bootox and body

713
00:32:07,462 --> 00:32:09,142
Speaker 2: Image EU.

714
00:32:10,702 --> 00:32:13,382
Speaker 1: And we're just like the standards again.

715
00:32:14,462 --> 00:32:15,582
Speaker 7: And aging.

716
00:32:16,862 --> 00:32:22,342
Speaker 2: Yes, definitely Jersey hot again. She just sometimes she's just there.

717
00:32:22,382 --> 00:32:25,661
Speaker 2: There's this new interesting psychological paper that says and all

718
00:32:25,702 --> 00:32:27,181
Speaker 2: the studies are in and I think you'll find the

719
00:32:27,222 --> 00:32:30,622
Speaker 2: research and I'm like, oh my god, where Megan's job.

720
00:32:32,382 --> 00:32:36,182
Speaker 6: Fun fact Maya says, You're never this is so uncaught.

721
00:32:36,302 --> 00:32:38,502
Speaker 6: You said once you were like, you can never pitch

722
00:32:38,542 --> 00:32:40,742
Speaker 6: a story that starts with there was a study.

723
00:32:40,502 --> 00:32:41,181
Speaker 3: It's so true.

724
00:32:41,462 --> 00:32:44,662
Speaker 2: That's one of the right you have to disguise that

725
00:32:45,022 --> 00:32:46,102
Speaker 2: we're in the third quarter.

726
00:32:46,142 --> 00:32:49,062
Speaker 3: Go and there was the study, and yeah, yeah.

727
00:32:50,502 --> 00:32:54,461
Speaker 4: Week the study came out this week. Oh wow study.

728
00:32:54,702 --> 00:32:58,422
Speaker 3: He's very quickly bored as everybody here, right. So if

729
00:32:58,462 --> 00:33:00,382
Speaker 3: I say I was in my.

730
00:33:00,462 --> 00:33:05,462
Speaker 1: Garden talking about how did we forget that?

731
00:33:05,742 --> 00:33:05,982
Speaker 3: God?

732
00:33:06,542 --> 00:33:10,022
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think people that we get feedback people like yeah.

733
00:33:10,302 --> 00:33:13,622
Speaker 4: I thought Brent in nearly taking his eye out would

734
00:33:13,661 --> 00:33:17,022
Speaker 4: really just shut you up for a while, maybe keep

735
00:33:17,062 --> 00:33:19,302
Speaker 4: you indoors back at all.

736
00:33:19,622 --> 00:33:22,102
Speaker 1: So as you can see, these people are impossible to corral.

737
00:33:22,222 --> 00:33:26,422
Speaker 1: And you successfully diverted from my serious questions, Yes, which

738
00:33:26,582 --> 00:33:28,982
Speaker 1: was I wanted to ask about women's media and how

739
00:33:29,062 --> 00:33:31,981
Speaker 1: you think talking to women has changed in the media

740
00:33:32,102 --> 00:33:35,421
Speaker 1: since your days in print magazines. Do you talk to

741
00:33:35,462 --> 00:33:36,982
Speaker 1: them differently? Oh, that's easy.

742
00:33:37,062 --> 00:33:39,822
Speaker 4: So in print magazine time it used to be about

743
00:33:39,822 --> 00:33:43,062
Speaker 4: making women feel terrible about themselves and that you had

744
00:33:43,102 --> 00:33:45,222
Speaker 4: the answer to all of the things that were wrong

745
00:33:45,262 --> 00:33:45,622
Speaker 4: with them.

746
00:33:45,902 --> 00:33:47,822
Speaker 5: There were all kinds of cover lines.

747
00:33:47,582 --> 00:33:51,221
Speaker 4: That we used to do that would basically you know,

748
00:33:51,302 --> 00:33:53,262
Speaker 4: I used to have to write the diet book for

749
00:33:53,342 --> 00:33:56,662
Speaker 4: Cleo and it would be drop address size by Saturday

750
00:33:56,702 --> 00:33:58,702
Speaker 4: diet and it would be you know, diets and all

751
00:33:58,742 --> 00:34:02,102
Speaker 4: different kinds of things that would make women feel insecure,

752
00:34:02,142 --> 00:34:05,302
Speaker 4: like is your haircut making you look old? And I

753
00:34:05,342 --> 00:34:07,421
Speaker 4: always thought that that was just so rubbish, so I

754
00:34:07,462 --> 00:34:10,622
Speaker 4: tried to, you know, push it in a different direction

755
00:34:10,661 --> 00:34:13,662
Speaker 4: when I was a magazine editor. But now it's honestly

756
00:34:13,661 --> 00:34:16,022
Speaker 4: about authenticity. The word that used to get used all

757
00:34:16,062 --> 00:34:20,542
Speaker 4: the time among magazine people was aspirational, and I used

758
00:34:20,542 --> 00:34:21,421
Speaker 4: to just go, it's just.

759
00:34:21,382 --> 00:34:22,902
Speaker 5: Another word for alienating.

760
00:34:23,342 --> 00:34:25,301
Speaker 4: You know, if we came up here and tried to

761
00:34:25,342 --> 00:34:28,741
Speaker 4: be perfect, it would feel very cold in the room.

762
00:34:28,781 --> 00:34:30,701
Speaker 4: But the way women connect with each other is through

763
00:34:30,781 --> 00:34:33,782
Speaker 4: vulnerability and I've always understood that, and that's what Mumam

764
00:34:34,062 --> 00:34:36,301
Speaker 4: was built on, and that's what the show's built on.

765
00:34:36,422 --> 00:34:38,542
Speaker 4: Not us coming and saying we've got the answers or

766
00:34:38,582 --> 00:34:40,861
Speaker 4: that we've got it all figured out, because guess what

767
00:34:40,982 --> 00:34:43,622
Speaker 4: we don't. I know we hide it well, but it's

768
00:34:43,661 --> 00:34:46,542
Speaker 4: about saying we've changed our mind about this, or this

769
00:34:46,701 --> 00:34:48,462
Speaker 4: is making us feel really distressed.

770
00:34:48,502 --> 00:34:50,701
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love those segments where you change your mind

771
00:34:50,781 --> 00:34:53,861
Speaker 1: over the course of the segment. All start arguing one

772
00:34:53,902 --> 00:34:56,821
Speaker 1: thing and then and arguing another, they're my faith, they're

773
00:34:56,902 --> 00:34:59,622
Speaker 1: my faith. Oh when you come from women's magazines too.

774
00:34:59,781 --> 00:35:00,181
Speaker 3: I do.

775
00:35:00,422 --> 00:35:02,222
Speaker 1: I have a dark past of.

776
00:35:03,661 --> 00:35:07,302
Speaker 2: Making celebrities look larger and smaller than they actually were

777
00:35:07,342 --> 00:35:10,622
Speaker 2: in real life, and making up t ashy gossip about

778
00:35:10,622 --> 00:35:12,901
Speaker 2: Brad Pitt that turned out to be no worse than

779
00:35:12,902 --> 00:35:16,142
Speaker 2: what was actually happening with Brad Pitt. You know, when

780
00:35:16,221 --> 00:35:19,381
Speaker 2: I was working in that world, I kind of loved

781
00:35:19,382 --> 00:35:22,221
Speaker 2: it for a while, But when after I had my kids,

782
00:35:22,221 --> 00:35:25,902
Speaker 2: not because like as a mother, I was then any

783
00:35:25,942 --> 00:35:28,342
Speaker 2: better than anyone else, but you know, I was, obviously,

784
00:35:28,822 --> 00:35:31,821
Speaker 2: and I suddenly got kind of jack of that world.

785
00:35:31,902 --> 00:35:34,022
Speaker 2: And I was like, I could see what Mia was

786
00:35:34,062 --> 00:35:35,861
Speaker 2: doing obviously I didn't know me, And then I could

787
00:35:35,862 --> 00:35:37,301
Speaker 2: see what Maya was doing over at Mama Mia, and

788
00:35:37,342 --> 00:35:40,301
Speaker 2: it felt so different and it felt really important might

789
00:35:40,342 --> 00:35:42,022
Speaker 2: be the wrong word, but real, and I was like,

790
00:35:42,062 --> 00:35:44,142
Speaker 2: I want some of that over there. I think if

791
00:35:44,181 --> 00:35:46,582
Speaker 2: I was going there every day, doing that kind of

792
00:35:46,622 --> 00:35:49,142
Speaker 2: work every day, you know, I would feel better about

793
00:35:49,221 --> 00:35:51,422
Speaker 2: leaving my kids, I'd feel better about what I was

794
00:35:51,422 --> 00:35:52,142
Speaker 2: doing with my brain.

795
00:35:52,181 --> 00:35:53,582
Speaker 3: And it turned out to be true.

796
00:35:53,822 --> 00:35:55,902
Speaker 2: Now it's good because I've got lots of gossip that

797
00:35:56,022 --> 00:35:59,221
Speaker 2: is embedded so deeply in my brain I can just

798
00:35:59,261 --> 00:36:00,701
Speaker 2: pull out a fact about Gwyneth.

799
00:36:02,862 --> 00:36:05,462
Speaker 1: So it's time for some personal reflections at this point.

800
00:36:05,582 --> 00:36:07,981
Speaker 1: Oh wow, am I going to start with Jesse? What

801
00:36:08,102 --> 00:36:11,701
Speaker 1: is the most unexpected outcome in your life of hostings?

802
00:36:11,741 --> 00:36:12,661
Speaker 1: Mamma mer out loud?

803
00:36:12,661 --> 00:36:16,382
Speaker 6: Oh my goodness, I must say there are surprising out louders.

804
00:36:16,382 --> 00:36:18,341
Speaker 6: One of my favorite things is like I got a

805
00:36:18,342 --> 00:36:21,421
Speaker 6: message one night from Missy Higgins and I wow, growing

806
00:36:21,502 --> 00:36:23,261
Speaker 6: up Missy Higgins with my person and I got a

807
00:36:23,261 --> 00:36:24,982
Speaker 6: message from her one night and I was like, miss

808
00:36:25,102 --> 00:36:26,182
Speaker 6: Higgins is an out louder.

809
00:36:26,261 --> 00:36:28,262
Speaker 3: I forgot to tell you I should try harder.

810
00:36:28,462 --> 00:36:31,502
Speaker 2: Virginia Trioli messaged me. Estane says that she wants to

811
00:36:31,542 --> 00:36:33,701
Speaker 2: come on and dance with us at the Melbourne Show.

812
00:36:34,622 --> 00:36:39,781
Speaker 2: She is a very serious journalist. Everybody a very serious journalist.

813
00:36:40,022 --> 00:36:42,901
Speaker 2: You know she wants to turn up and dance in

814
00:36:42,942 --> 00:36:45,382
Speaker 2: one of those outfits that.

815
00:36:44,942 --> 00:36:48,502
Speaker 6: Last week I got a message from Julia bad agreeing.

816
00:36:48,062 --> 00:36:49,421
Speaker 3: With me on something I will come.

817
00:36:51,022 --> 00:36:53,302
Speaker 6: I expected you to be listening to more clever things

818
00:36:53,302 --> 00:36:55,021
Speaker 6: and maya out loud but true.

819
00:36:55,422 --> 00:36:58,501
Speaker 1: Holy how as being the friends and people's ears changed

820
00:36:58,542 --> 00:36:59,102
Speaker 1: your life.

821
00:36:59,342 --> 00:37:02,062
Speaker 2: Oh, I think it's changed my life in lots of ways.

822
00:37:02,221 --> 00:37:04,782
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's opened my mind in lots of ways.

823
00:37:05,181 --> 00:37:07,462
Speaker 6: And my answer for you, please you can't yell in

824
00:37:07,502 --> 00:37:10,181
Speaker 6: came out anymore. Every time you're yelling came someone's like,

825
00:37:12,142 --> 00:37:13,861
Speaker 6: and you're trying to yell at your kids, being like

826
00:37:13,942 --> 00:37:15,102
Speaker 6: billing it off the floor.

827
00:37:15,582 --> 00:37:17,861
Speaker 2: This is a little bit different now that video is

828
00:37:17,902 --> 00:37:20,022
Speaker 2: so prominent in podcasts, But it used to be that

829
00:37:20,022 --> 00:37:22,221
Speaker 2: people would only know your voice, right, So you'd be

830
00:37:22,422 --> 00:37:26,902
Speaker 2: in Kmar screaming at your child and someone'd be like, oh,

831
00:37:26,942 --> 00:37:32,701
Speaker 2: I know that, and you'd be like, no, so yes,

832
00:37:32,781 --> 00:37:34,782
Speaker 2: I have to be nicer to my children in public.

833
00:37:34,862 --> 00:37:37,821
Speaker 2: That's one of the ways has changed, mostly entirely for

834
00:37:37,902 --> 00:37:40,222
Speaker 2: the better. I mean, working at my mare full stop

835
00:37:40,221 --> 00:37:42,301
Speaker 2: has changed my life. And I don't think I would

836
00:37:42,342 --> 00:37:43,941
Speaker 2: have had the confidence to do lots of the things

837
00:37:43,982 --> 00:37:46,982
Speaker 2: I've done, certainly not wear abber costumes in public. But

838
00:37:47,022 --> 00:37:48,901
Speaker 2: also I just think it's, as I said earlier, it's

839
00:37:48,942 --> 00:37:51,542
Speaker 2: such a privilege. And whenever people come up to you

840
00:37:51,661 --> 00:37:53,861
Speaker 2: on the rare occasions that they do, they're always really

841
00:37:53,862 --> 00:37:56,462
Speaker 2: good people like ours are really good people.

842
00:37:56,542 --> 00:37:58,542
Speaker 3: So it's as I say, I feel very lucky.

843
00:37:58,781 --> 00:38:01,781
Speaker 1: Miya ten years strong. What excites you most looking at

844
00:38:01,781 --> 00:38:03,181
Speaker 1: the future of Mama mir out loud.

845
00:38:03,542 --> 00:38:05,982
Speaker 4: I'm not good with future questions. Like we have a

846
00:38:06,022 --> 00:38:08,181
Speaker 4: good time when we go on tour. We're going on

847
00:38:08,221 --> 00:38:12,661
Speaker 4: tour shortly, and it's fun because like, these are two

848
00:38:12,701 --> 00:38:16,022
Speaker 4: of my best friends, and the women we work with

849
00:38:16,142 --> 00:38:18,861
Speaker 4: we're incredibly close to as well, and it's like a

850
00:38:18,902 --> 00:38:19,502
Speaker 4: girl's trip.

851
00:38:19,622 --> 00:38:21,661
Speaker 6: We were laughing on the way here. Remember we're at

852
00:38:21,661 --> 00:38:23,861
Speaker 6: Sydney Airport. We were trying to get on a REX

853
00:38:23,902 --> 00:38:27,181
Speaker 6: Flight Regional and I somehow exited the airport, remember that

854
00:38:27,622 --> 00:38:28,782
Speaker 6: we were boarding.

855
00:38:28,862 --> 00:38:30,901
Speaker 4: We were getting on the plane, and she went right

856
00:38:30,902 --> 00:38:33,661
Speaker 4: instead of left and was out on the street.

857
00:38:33,422 --> 00:38:34,502
Speaker 6: And I was like on the other side of the

858
00:38:34,542 --> 00:38:36,542
Speaker 6: glass like guys, and I had to go back through

859
00:38:36,582 --> 00:38:38,341
Speaker 6: security and the plane had to wait.

860
00:38:38,382 --> 00:38:41,181
Speaker 2: And I was warning Ruth that, because Ruth hasn't taught

861
00:38:41,181 --> 00:38:43,981
Speaker 2: with us before that these are three people who may

862
00:38:44,022 --> 00:38:47,022
Speaker 2: appear to be intelligent somehow on the surface, but are

863
00:38:47,181 --> 00:38:48,741
Speaker 2: entirely incapable.

864
00:38:48,142 --> 00:38:49,902
Speaker 1: Of ever getting anywhere on time.

865
00:38:49,741 --> 00:38:51,502
Speaker 3: Getting on a plane with all their bags.

866
00:38:51,542 --> 00:38:54,622
Speaker 4: Like it's just so we've been you know, backstage at

867
00:38:54,661 --> 00:38:57,301
Speaker 4: wherever the theater is, and then it'll be like we've

868
00:38:57,302 --> 00:39:00,342
Speaker 4: been shown here's how you get from backstage to the stage,

869
00:39:00,422 --> 00:39:02,821
Speaker 4: and we will take a wrong turn and again end

870
00:39:02,902 --> 00:39:05,821
Speaker 4: up on the street in our costumes, and someone will

871
00:39:05,822 --> 00:39:06,862
Speaker 4: have to come and find.

872
00:39:06,942 --> 00:39:07,502
Speaker 5: Girl find this.

873
00:39:07,582 --> 00:39:10,221
Speaker 1: As usually we're just like, remember it's for us.

874
00:39:10,221 --> 00:39:12,821
Speaker 4: It's a conversation that never ends, and it's hard to

875
00:39:12,862 --> 00:39:15,422
Speaker 4: wrangle us because we will be like in the airport,

876
00:39:15,502 --> 00:39:18,661
Speaker 4: in the uber, in the plane, we just never stopped talking.

877
00:39:18,661 --> 00:39:20,542
Speaker 1: I'm very excited for it, and I'm sure a lot

878
00:39:20,542 --> 00:39:22,741
Speaker 1: of people here are too. But look, that's all we

879
00:39:22,781 --> 00:39:24,342
Speaker 1: have time for, is Holly might say.

880
00:39:24,261 --> 00:39:25,622
Speaker 5: Thank you for coming everyone.

881
00:39:26,022 --> 00:39:27,822
Speaker 3: Thank you so much people.

882
00:39:28,342 --> 00:39:32,262
Speaker 1: I want to scatter this stage with Megan's dried flower passion.

883
00:39:33,422 --> 00:39:34,582
Speaker 3: I still can't buy.

884
00:39:34,382 --> 00:39:34,861
Speaker 5: Them, you know.

885
00:39:34,902 --> 00:39:37,821
Speaker 2: I'll checked this out again this morning six am.

886
00:39:38,221 --> 00:39:39,222
Speaker 3: Still not for sale.

887
00:39:39,701 --> 00:39:41,901
Speaker 1: Your work has meant so much to me and I'm

888
00:39:41,902 --> 00:39:44,342
Speaker 1: sure to so many people here. Thank you for sharing

889
00:39:44,382 --> 00:39:47,381
Speaker 1: your lives for ten years with us. And thank you

890
00:39:47,462 --> 00:39:50,381
Speaker 1: everyone for coming out on this terrible day for hair.

891
00:39:50,542 --> 00:39:53,861
Speaker 1: It's a very bad, it really is. It is, and

892
00:39:53,902 --> 00:39:56,062
Speaker 1: I appreciate you for that because I have curly here.

893
00:39:56,261 --> 00:39:58,742
Speaker 1: Have a great weekend. I hope it's free of puffer

894
00:39:58,822 --> 00:40:02,941
Speaker 1: fishing and petty microaggression. Thanks again for coming out.

895
00:40:03,022 --> 00:40:05,422
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, thanks you.