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Speaker 3: Hello, out louders. Just a quick note from me before

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Speaker 3: we start today's show.

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Speaker 4: Just a reminder that on.

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Speaker 3: Fridays we always like to take a break away from

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Speaker 3: the news cycle and give you something metea or lighter, lighthearted,

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Speaker 3: have a bit of fun towards the end of the week.

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Speaker 4: Now on for a little bit of Friday fun.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to mum mea Out Loud. What women are actually

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Speaker 3: talking about on Friday, the twelfth of September. I'm not

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Speaker 3: Hollywayne right, she is here, but I'm trying to save

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Speaker 3: her voice.

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Speaker 2: Holly, go on.

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry I sound a bit bad today, out Louders.

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Speaker 5: I feel fine, but you're going to put up with

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Speaker 5: this for a little bit.

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Speaker 2: It gets better. I'm sure it'll get better.

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Speaker 6: And I'm Jesse Stevens and I'm Amelia Laster And just

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Speaker 6: before we get started, I wanted to let you know

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Speaker 6: that Holly has taken over the MoMA MEA out Loud substack.

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Speaker 6: I know there's a lot of substacks demanding your attention

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Speaker 6: these days, but all.

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Speaker 3: This is so good it is and it's free.

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Speaker 1: It's free, which is great.

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Speaker 6: I do have to say that she wrote this one

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Speaker 6: a writer because I know she really thinks through what

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Speaker 6: it was really memorable. It was about this one time

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Speaker 6: that she wanted to kill Jesse, and what it actually

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Speaker 6: got into was some really juicy, complicated thinking around jealousy

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Speaker 6: and around professional jealousy and friendship jealousy. And I just

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Speaker 6: can't stop thinking about it, and how lovely to get

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Speaker 6: that in my inbox.

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Speaker 1: So we'll pop alink and the sheds.

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Speaker 2: On our agenda for today.

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Speaker 5: If you hear the words love and sex addict, what

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Speaker 5: pops into your head? I think for me, it's like

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Speaker 5: a famous manner David Dukovney, you're always cheating on his wife, right,

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Speaker 5: And it's a bit of an excuse all it used

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Speaker 5: to be what popped up before I interviewed his Gilbert recently,

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Speaker 5: because maybe a love and sex addict looks like a

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Speaker 5: world famous female author whose love stories have inspired.

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Speaker 3: Plus I somehow convinced both of you to let us

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Speaker 3: do an entire segment with a tarot card reader who

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Speaker 3: I saw privately a few weeks ago, and I made

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Speaker 3: her sit down with us, and she predicted things that

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Speaker 6: And we've got some recommendations for your weekend. One is

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Speaker 6: so tense that you'll be biting your nails, and another

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Speaker 6: is very sexy.

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Speaker 1: You might be reaching for the smelling salts business.

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Speaker 6: In case you missed it, grown women and toddlers are

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Speaker 6: converging on one thing, and that thing is the importance

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Speaker 6: of baths.

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Speaker 4: BAF time, BAF time.

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Speaker 6: Thank you forget catching up over spicy margaritas. The new

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Speaker 6: way that women are talking to each other and spending

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Speaker 1: The New York.

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Speaker 6: Times this week reported on what it called the smoking

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Speaker 6: hot return of bathing culture.

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Speaker 1: Now I love going for a sauna.

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Speaker 6: There's a place here in Sydney that every month I

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Speaker 6: to the Times, it's cheap, it's good for you. It

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Speaker 6: It's a third space. And there's more of a focus

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Speaker 6: these days on preventative health. I think post pandemic, everyone's

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Speaker 6: looking for ways to feel better, to feel well, and

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Speaker 5: When you go to the sauna, I have questions, go,

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Speaker 6: No? The way that most saunas work. In fact, every

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Speaker 6: The sauna that I go to has very bright lighting,

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Speaker 2: Bits of hair bathouses are popping up all Sydney. You

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Speaker 3: I went recently with my mum and Claire and it

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Speaker 3: and you can go to a bath house. There's been

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Speaker 3: and the point of the bath house is the idleness,

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Speaker 4: And I was reading this, how long do you go for?

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Speaker 3: I reckon, we were there for two hours and just

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Speaker 3: they even had the cold plunges, which I was like,

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Speaker 3: absolutely no interest. But I was reading this substack all

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Speaker 3: to a number of factors, including interestingly the AIDS epidemic,

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Speaker 3: And also because we all got our own plumbing, so

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Speaker 3: public ones, but there's been this rise, especially post COVID,

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Speaker 3: for this preventative health wellness idleness thing that we're all

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Speaker 4: And it was saying, no, no, The point of the

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Speaker 1: You literally can't take your phone exactly.

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Speaker 3: You have to just be and it's about boredom and

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Speaker 4: And even the ancient.

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Speaker 2: We don't have any of these down my way. I'm

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Speaker 6: I did just go to one in Brisbane because I

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Speaker 1: There was a spectacular one.

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Speaker 4: Because you used to live in Japan.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, thanks for bringing that up. I'm so did

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Speaker 6: you go yeah all the time. Fact, that's where I

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Speaker 3: As a family. So it's not single family.

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Speaker 1: Actually it is divided into sexes. There.

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Speaker 6: A fun fact is that in Japan they did bathe

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Speaker 3: I did one in Turkey years ago. I've never forgotten about.

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Speaker 3: Where they wash your hair and they exfoliate. I remember

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Speaker 1: Koreans are also great at that too.

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Speaker 4: I was silk. I came out just like sliding all

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Speaker 1: I don't think Western cultures know how to exfoliate it.

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Speaker 2: No, So I interviewed Elizabeth Gilbert a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 3: She really contributed to the over tourism of Balie.

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Speaker 5: She did. Julia Roberts played her in a movie. Anyway,

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Speaker 5: we didn't talk about any of that, Right, She's become

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Speaker 5: very many of us have much in common with Liz Gilbert.

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Speaker 5: she's had a life of many extremes that are documented

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Speaker 5: her relationship with Raya Elias, who she If you followed

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Speaker 5: was in love with Raya and this was a romantic relationship,

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Speaker 5: And that's what the book's about. But also it's about

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Speaker 5: decades of sex and love addiction. I have inserted myself

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Speaker 5: with money. She goes on, I've committed and accepted shameful objectification.

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Speaker 5: I've treated my own body with terrible disrespect, and I

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Speaker 6: Difference between an alcohol addiction and the love and sex addiction.

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Speaker 3: Because I find that interesting too, because there's an I

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Speaker 5: And what Gilbert was saying is that for her, after

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Speaker 3: the lack of shame to put that down on the page,

434
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Speaker 3: which is going to outrage a lot of people already

435
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Speaker 3: there are reviews and people saying you've disrespected Raya's memory

436
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Speaker 3: by committing some of these things to paper. The reason

437
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Speaker 3: I really respect that is I think that will speak

438
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Speaker 3: to a lot of people. Not that people do it,

439
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Speaker 3: but the intensity of the caregiver relationship, whether or not

440
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Speaker 3: you call yourself an addict, the way in which your

441
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Speaker 3: boundaries disappear, the burnout, like I cannot imagine what it

442
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Speaker 3: would be to care for someone dying of cancer.

443
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Speaker 5: I agree obviously one hundred percent, and that part of

444
00:21:08,821 --> 00:21:12,542
Speaker 5: the book is so powerful and so interesting. But it's

445
00:21:12,581 --> 00:21:16,101
Speaker 5: also very specific, like that particular example is very specific

446
00:21:16,141 --> 00:21:19,341
Speaker 5: to what they were going through. But what I really like,

447
00:21:19,542 --> 00:21:21,981
Speaker 5: I take all the criticism about Liz Gilbert being a

448
00:21:22,061 --> 00:21:25,302
Speaker 5: guru and all those things, but the honesty in all

449
00:21:25,341 --> 00:21:29,542
Speaker 5: of this, I just think is breathtaking Because admitting that you,

450
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Speaker 5: you know, when you fall in love with someone, you

451
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Speaker 5: try and control them again, is something that I know

452
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Speaker 5: a lot of people will relate to having had that

453
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Speaker 5: done to them, you know. And sometimes that looks like generosity,

454
00:21:38,222 --> 00:21:41,181
Speaker 5: and sometimes that looks like caregiving, and sometimes it looks

455
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Speaker 5: like whisking them away on holiday or whatever it is,

456
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Speaker 5: or texting you every minute or all of those things.

457
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Speaker 5: I just think is really really bold. I think it's

458
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Speaker 5: really bold to be able to say I recognize that

459
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Speaker 5: I am part of this, this is what I try

460
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Speaker 5: and do to people in the name of love. I

461
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Speaker 5: just really admire it. You know, when you listen to

462
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Speaker 5: those list of things that she says she can't do.

463
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Speaker 2: Some of it, obviously is very.

464
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Speaker 5: Unrelatable, like lavishing money on people and all that kind

465
00:22:07,742 --> 00:22:10,782
Speaker 5: of stuff is not stuff that we're doing. Buying range Rover, yeah, exactly,

466
00:22:10,821 --> 00:22:13,261
Speaker 5: she bought in Ray's last day, she bought a Rolex

467
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Speaker 5: and a Range Rover in the apartment and da da

468
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Speaker 5: da da da. But also I think that what's more

469
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Speaker 5: relatable though, for many people, is like texting all the time,

470
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Speaker 5: allowing yourself to be swept up in this idea that

471
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Speaker 5: this is it, this is real, and this time it's

472
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Speaker 5: going to be different, and this time it's going to

473
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Speaker 5: be different.

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Speaker 2: I just think a lot of us live our lives

475
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Speaker 2: like that.

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Speaker 3: If this segment brought up any issues for you, then

477
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Speaker 3: there are some resources in our show notes.

478
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Speaker 5: And if you want to listen to the interview, it's

479
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Speaker 5: on a No fil a special episode of No Filter

480
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Speaker 5: that dropped yesterday out Louders.

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Speaker 3: In a moment we sat down with a Tarot card

482
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Speaker 3: reader to explore our curiosity and cynicism and of course

483
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Speaker 3: to get a cheeky glimpse into the future. We decided

484
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Speaker 3: to do something a bit different today and by way

485
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Speaker 3: I mean me. I forced us all to sit down

486
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Speaker 3: with a tarot card reader. A little while ago, this

487
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Speaker 3: tarot card reader came in. Her name is Evelyn. She

488
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Speaker 3: came into the office and she did readings and everyone

489
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Speaker 3: who saw her just went that blew my mind. That

490
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Speaker 3: was incredible. They had these stories that just went around

491
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Speaker 3: the office. So next time she came in, I booked in.

492
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Speaker 3: I'd never seen tarat card read it before. She drew

493
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Speaker 3: a card that said, your mum's having issues with sleep.

494
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Speaker 3: I didn't know she was having issues with sleep, I

495
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Speaker 3: asked her.

496
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Speaker 4: She said, oh yeah, I am, Oh wow.

497
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Speaker 3: Yeah, something about my brothers and conversations they were having

498
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Speaker 3: about something they were going to do together, something about

499
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Speaker 3: our holiday I was going on and where I was

500
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Speaker 3: going to go when my plans for the next twelve

501
00:23:42,061 --> 00:23:45,701
Speaker 3: months really spot on, and I ran out and I

502
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Speaker 3: went may. I saw this terrort card reader and she

503
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Speaker 3: is nothing if not common, And so when she realized

504
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Speaker 3: I loved it, she pushed the next person out of

505
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Speaker 3: the way went in also mind blown. So I decided

506
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Speaker 3: that we should get Evelyn in.

507
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Speaker 2: Yes she did. First, how did you feel about that?

508
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Speaker 6: I felt fine about it, But then my feelings changed,

509
00:24:08,502 --> 00:24:09,221
Speaker 6: but set it up.

510
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Speaker 3: So I was like, why don't we get Evelyn in,

511
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Speaker 3: tell us what's gonna happen in the future. You know what, guys,

512
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Speaker 3: we should just do personal readings and broadcast them to

513
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Speaker 3: the world.

514
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Speaker 2: Great idea.

515
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Speaker 3: And I just saw this expressions on people's faces and

516
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Speaker 3: I was like, guys, I think this will be great content.

517
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Speaker 3: And so what we did is last week we invited

518
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Speaker 3: her into our studio. We asked a lot of questions.

519
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Speaker 3: We have some silly questions. We asked about the future

520
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Speaker 3: of the show, we asked about Maya, and then we

521
00:24:34,061 --> 00:24:39,262
Speaker 3: did have personal readings. Amelia, tell me why your feelings changed.

522
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Speaker 3: Had you ever seen a Tara I'd read it before.

523
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Speaker 1: No, I hadn't.

524
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Speaker 6: I've always been interested in it. It's obviously been around

525
00:24:44,502 --> 00:24:47,341
Speaker 6: for centuries. I mean, this must be something to it.

526
00:24:47,782 --> 00:24:50,141
Speaker 6: I felt fine about it. But then what really surprised

527
00:24:50,182 --> 00:24:52,622
Speaker 6: me is the day rolled around and Everylyn came in,

528
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Speaker 6: and all of a sudden, I started to feel incredibly anxious,

529
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Speaker 6: like in a way that I could not have predicted.

530
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Speaker 6: People could tell in the room that producers are just like,

531
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Speaker 6: are you okay? Like I was just I really clenched up.

532
00:25:04,581 --> 00:25:05,701
Speaker 6: I felt really tense.

533
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Speaker 4: Do you know why.

534
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Speaker 6: I think it's because, whether or not you bully even it,

535
00:25:10,661 --> 00:25:13,621
Speaker 6: there's a possibility that this person is going to tell

536
00:25:13,661 --> 00:25:16,382
Speaker 6: you something about the future that you don't want to hear,

537
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Speaker 6: and that lack of control was really scary to me.

538
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Speaker 6: I just didn't know. You don't normally have a conversation

539
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Speaker 6: with someone where they could say anything about your life

540
00:25:26,101 --> 00:25:28,101
Speaker 6: and you just have to sort of nod and take

541
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Speaker 6: it because this is what's happening is predestined. So I

542
00:25:31,462 --> 00:25:33,502
Speaker 6: think it really brought up issues for me in terms

543
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Speaker 6: of my kind of control freak personality and being told

544
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Speaker 6: things that I maybe didn't want to hear. So I

545
00:25:38,182 --> 00:25:41,222
Speaker 6: actually said to her, can you not tell me anything bad.

546
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Speaker 1: About the future?

547
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Speaker 6: And She's like, oh, yeah, that's a very common request

548
00:25:43,581 --> 00:25:44,981
Speaker 6: and I can absolutely fulfill that.

549
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Speaker 3: How about you, Holly, I feel like I tried to

550
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Speaker 3: get your boorday.

551
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Speaker 2: I was definitely gay.

552
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Speaker 5: I'm not necessarily a believer, and I'm also not necessarily

553
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Speaker 5: a skeptic. I've spoken on the show before about how

554
00:25:56,702 --> 00:25:59,101
Speaker 5: my late mother in law was a psychic, so that

555
00:25:59,182 --> 00:26:03,181
Speaker 5: opened my mind a lot too various possibilities of You know,

556
00:26:03,581 --> 00:26:06,502
Speaker 5: I guess I'm a gray area person, right, So I

557
00:26:06,542 --> 00:26:08,701
Speaker 5: was open to Evelyn, but I was trying to be

558
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Speaker 5: take it the grain of salt.

559
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Speaker 1: Did you get nervous too?

560
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Speaker 2: You know what?

561
00:26:13,661 --> 00:26:15,542
Speaker 5: She was so loved, which I think must be one

562
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Speaker 5: of the skills of people who do this kind of work.

563
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Speaker 5: She was very good at putting us at ease, or

564
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Speaker 5: at least because I went in very like boundaried in

565
00:26:22,861 --> 00:26:25,421
Speaker 5: my head. But within five minutes I was just asking

566
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Speaker 5: her everything. So when if anyone listens to my private reader,

567
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Speaker 5: I apologize and advanced.

568
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Speaker 2: For that because she was very good at making me relax.

569
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Speaker 5: I came out of there going, oh great, great, great,

570
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Speaker 5: But since then I've kind of chilled out about it

571
00:26:38,661 --> 00:26:40,901
Speaker 5: and gone some of that, yes, some of that.

572
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Speaker 3: No, Okay, all right, it is time to hear how

573
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Speaker 3: a little session with Evelyn went. Today we have psychic

574
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Speaker 3: and Taro reader Evelyn Santorro with us. Evelyn, welcome, Thank you,

575
00:26:55,422 --> 00:26:56,861
Speaker 3: it's so exciting to be here today.

576
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Speaker 4: Oh we are so excited to have you.

577
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Speaker 3: I wanted to ask to begin with, how did you

578
00:27:02,222 --> 00:27:04,302
Speaker 3: get into taro? Where did the interest come from?

579
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Speaker 8: It was very very young and growing up. I used

580
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Speaker 8: to love reading, and my family were avid readers. My

581
00:27:09,661 --> 00:27:11,941
Speaker 8: mum was very much into science and my dad was

582
00:27:11,942 --> 00:27:14,461
Speaker 8: into politics and history, and so we spent a lot

583
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Speaker 8: of time in old bookstores. And I was just gravitating.

584
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Speaker 8: I mean, in between Judy Bloom and the Babysitters Club,

585
00:27:20,942 --> 00:27:24,061
Speaker 8: I'd gravitate towards what is now known as the self

586
00:27:24,061 --> 00:27:26,861
Speaker 8: help section or the spirituality section, and back then was

587
00:27:26,901 --> 00:27:30,181
Speaker 8: known as the mystical or the occult. And I just

588
00:27:30,341 --> 00:27:33,902
Speaker 8: was drawn to these tarot carts and I'd pick them

589
00:27:33,982 --> 00:27:37,101
Speaker 8: up and look at them and then read. And then

590
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Speaker 8: after many many months, my mom came home with them

591
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Speaker 8: and said, this is something that you might want to

592
00:27:41,942 --> 00:27:45,022
Speaker 8: know more about or discover more about. And then we

593
00:27:45,141 --> 00:27:47,022
Speaker 8: just had someone in our neighborhood. I was growing up

594
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Speaker 8: in Argentina, so I grew up in South America. The

595
00:27:49,861 --> 00:27:52,421
Speaker 8: woman took me under her wing, and so she helped

596
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Speaker 8: guide me along for about four or five years, and

597
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Speaker 8: then she passed and then I continued the journey on

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Speaker 8: my own.

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Speaker 4: So that's how I started.

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Speaker 3: And do you think that it's learned or is there

601
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Speaker 3: something innate? Like do you feel as though even that

602
00:28:06,821 --> 00:28:09,462
Speaker 3: instinct you had to gravitate towards it. Is it something

603
00:28:09,661 --> 00:28:10,982
Speaker 3: you feel like you've always had.

604
00:28:10,982 --> 00:28:13,621
Speaker 8: Perhaps, But I think everyone has something. I think we

605
00:28:13,742 --> 00:28:15,782
Speaker 8: all have some sort of intuition. And for me, the

606
00:28:15,821 --> 00:28:19,381
Speaker 8: tarot is just a tool that taps into something that

607
00:28:19,381 --> 00:28:23,542
Speaker 8: then unlocks some answers. For others, I know people who

608
00:28:23,782 --> 00:28:26,221
Speaker 8: might be able to read your coffee cup, for example,

609
00:28:26,581 --> 00:28:29,302
Speaker 8: or they might do pal mystery or pick up a

610
00:28:29,302 --> 00:28:32,341
Speaker 8: bit of jewelry and give you information based on that.

611
00:28:32,661 --> 00:28:34,702
Speaker 8: But for me it was the tarot. But I really

612
00:28:34,742 --> 00:28:38,862
Speaker 8: believe everyone has something that's in them already. It's whether

613
00:28:38,902 --> 00:28:40,382
Speaker 8: you pay attention to it or not.

614
00:28:40,782 --> 00:28:41,981
Speaker 2: How does taro work?

615
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Speaker 5: Like basically, if somebody comes for a reading and we're

616
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Speaker 5: about to do that, how does it work?

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Speaker 8: So when you come for a reading, what usually would

618
00:28:50,382 --> 00:28:53,062
Speaker 8: happen is the way I do the reading is I

619
00:28:53,102 --> 00:28:55,062
Speaker 8: ask your date of birth and then pick up the

620
00:28:55,182 --> 00:28:57,342
Speaker 8: energy around your date of birth, which will give me

621
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Speaker 8: what's going on for you at the moment. So the

622
00:28:59,902 --> 00:29:02,502
Speaker 8: taro is a bit of a storytelling tool. Where have

623
00:29:02,582 --> 00:29:04,582
Speaker 8: you come from, where are you at the moment, and

624
00:29:04,622 --> 00:29:07,222
Speaker 8: where are you headed? And what will bubble up first?

625
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Speaker 8: So we do a general reading until you pick ten

626
00:29:09,862 --> 00:29:10,382
Speaker 8: cards and.

627
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Speaker 1: Your general reading.

628
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Speaker 8: It's as if the universe gives you what you want

629
00:29:15,222 --> 00:29:17,222
Speaker 8: to know and a little extra of what you may

630
00:29:17,262 --> 00:29:19,661
Speaker 8: be ignoring. So it's like, well, I'm here to know

631
00:29:19,702 --> 00:29:22,342
Speaker 8: about love well, but there might be something more about

632
00:29:22,502 --> 00:29:25,142
Speaker 8: what direction you're going in your career, for example, or

633
00:29:25,462 --> 00:29:28,302
Speaker 8: you're taking a trip, or there's a baby coming or

634
00:29:28,342 --> 00:29:30,662
Speaker 8: something like that, and then you can ask any questions.

635
00:29:30,942 --> 00:29:35,142
Speaker 6: What happens if you pull bad cards. That's what's always

636
00:29:35,182 --> 00:29:37,862
Speaker 6: sort of scared me is the prospect of what if

637
00:29:37,862 --> 00:29:39,421
Speaker 6: I hear something I don't want to hear, how do

638
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Speaker 6: you manage that.

639
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Speaker 8: I've had experiences with people who would come in and

640
00:29:44,182 --> 00:29:47,461
Speaker 8: are very fearful, and so usually you can ask that

641
00:29:47,502 --> 00:29:50,262
Speaker 8: you can say there's something that you're scared about hearing today.

642
00:29:50,902 --> 00:29:54,302
Speaker 8: Usually it's about people departing close ones or if there's

643
00:29:54,302 --> 00:29:57,582
Speaker 8: an illness or something like that. But usually people come

644
00:29:57,582 --> 00:29:59,102
Speaker 8: in and say, I just want to know. I want

645
00:29:59,142 --> 00:30:02,661
Speaker 8: to know. People curious and that's why they seek a reader.

646
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Speaker 3: There's ethics around if you pull a card and it's like,

647
00:30:05,702 --> 00:30:07,742
Speaker 3: you know, especially death, I mean, that's the biggest question

648
00:30:07,782 --> 00:30:11,182
Speaker 3: that people often have. You you have boundaries around whether

649
00:30:11,182 --> 00:30:12,981
Speaker 3: you will communicate that people or not.

650
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Speaker 1: Yes, definitely, yeah.

651
00:30:15,302 --> 00:30:17,462
Speaker 3: And so do you feel like people have the right

652
00:30:17,542 --> 00:30:20,102
Speaker 3: to know that or you kind of hold it back.

653
00:30:20,462 --> 00:30:21,462
Speaker 1: It depends on the client.

654
00:30:21,582 --> 00:30:23,622
Speaker 8: So There'll be times where someone will come in and

655
00:30:24,102 --> 00:30:26,982
Speaker 8: I'll say something like there might be some sad news

656
00:30:27,022 --> 00:30:30,062
Speaker 8: coming on this side of the family or a friend,

657
00:30:30,742 --> 00:30:33,022
Speaker 8: and probe a little on whether they're open to hearing,

658
00:30:33,022 --> 00:30:35,382
Speaker 8: and if they're not, then I just sit back. It

659
00:30:35,382 --> 00:30:37,221
Speaker 8: all depends on how well you know the person. So

660
00:30:37,262 --> 00:30:39,142
Speaker 8: I have clients that I've known for many, many years

661
00:30:39,422 --> 00:30:41,702
Speaker 8: and others that are brand new. So it's tough. It's

662
00:30:41,742 --> 00:30:43,422
Speaker 8: a tough territory.

663
00:30:43,502 --> 00:30:45,622
Speaker 5: Does everybody kind of want to know the same things?

664
00:30:45,622 --> 00:30:48,181
Speaker 5: Like what are the most common questions you get asked?

665
00:30:48,222 --> 00:30:50,702
Speaker 5: And then what are some of the more unusual questions

666
00:30:50,782 --> 00:30:51,461
Speaker 5: you've been asked.

667
00:30:51,702 --> 00:30:54,502
Speaker 8: Look, I've been doing professional readings for a long time,

668
00:30:54,542 --> 00:30:57,302
Speaker 8: since I was twenty two. The main ones are the usual,

669
00:30:57,382 --> 00:30:59,782
Speaker 8: the love you know, will I meet my other half?

670
00:31:00,102 --> 00:31:02,862
Speaker 4: Will it go well? Health career?

671
00:31:03,422 --> 00:31:06,022
Speaker 8: But then things have changed, I think so in the

672
00:31:06,102 --> 00:31:08,981
Speaker 8: last ten to fifteen years there's been more of a

673
00:31:09,142 --> 00:31:12,902
Speaker 8: final push on things. Trips are always a popular one.

674
00:31:12,942 --> 00:31:13,902
Speaker 1: Where am I going this year?

675
00:31:13,942 --> 00:31:16,622
Speaker 8: Am I able to get away? Will I have a holiday?

676
00:31:17,422 --> 00:31:22,661
Speaker 8: I guess the most unusual unusual things. I've lost something,

677
00:31:22,702 --> 00:31:24,382
Speaker 8: can you see where it is? I had someone come

678
00:31:24,422 --> 00:31:26,742
Speaker 8: into the Mind, Body Spirit Festival a few years ago

679
00:31:27,422 --> 00:31:29,582
Speaker 8: and said, I just want to know where I've left

680
00:31:29,622 --> 00:31:34,622
Speaker 8: the remote control. I've tired the whole house apart.

681
00:31:34,742 --> 00:31:36,302
Speaker 4: I can't find it. Where is it? Is it in

682
00:31:36,382 --> 00:31:36,782
Speaker 4: the kitchen?

683
00:31:36,822 --> 00:31:37,142
Speaker 1: Is it here?

684
00:31:37,262 --> 00:31:38,582
Speaker 8: Is it there? And I don't know if she ever

685
00:31:38,622 --> 00:31:41,302
Speaker 8: found it?

686
00:31:41,422 --> 00:31:42,781
Speaker 2: So you didn't know where it was.

687
00:31:43,262 --> 00:31:45,421
Speaker 8: So I told her where I thought it was. So

688
00:31:45,661 --> 00:31:47,542
Speaker 8: we looked at the cards. She said, Okay, I'll go

689
00:31:47,582 --> 00:31:49,342
Speaker 8: back and have a look, but she can come back

690
00:31:49,382 --> 00:31:49,822
Speaker 8: to let me know.

691
00:31:49,982 --> 00:31:50,902
Speaker 2: So no idea.

692
00:31:51,062 --> 00:31:53,942
Speaker 3: What are your three favorite cards? What cards do you really.

693
00:31:53,782 --> 00:31:54,701
Speaker 4: Like to draw for people?

694
00:31:55,062 --> 00:31:58,262
Speaker 8: So there are three fantastic cards out of the seventy

695
00:31:58,342 --> 00:32:01,102
Speaker 8: eight to either start with or end with. And that's

696
00:32:01,782 --> 00:32:05,262
Speaker 8: the World, which is a fabulous card. It means completion

697
00:32:05,422 --> 00:32:08,302
Speaker 8: or it means that your goals have been realized. The

698
00:32:08,382 --> 00:32:12,022
Speaker 8: other is the Magician. So if you have a challenge

699
00:32:12,142 --> 00:32:15,502
Speaker 8: coming up, the Magician finds many different ways for you

700
00:32:15,542 --> 00:32:17,862
Speaker 8: to get out of that problem. And to solve that problem,

701
00:32:17,902 --> 00:32:20,102
Speaker 8: and it can manifest people coming into your life to

702
00:32:20,142 --> 00:32:23,461
Speaker 8: help you with that issue. And the other card is

703
00:32:23,502 --> 00:32:27,502
Speaker 8: the Sun. The Sun is absolute positivity. It's a lovely card.

704
00:32:27,542 --> 00:32:31,142
Speaker 8: It means a period of happiness, usually after a very

705
00:32:31,302 --> 00:32:35,741
Speaker 8: long period of sadness or feeling of the loss of

706
00:32:35,822 --> 00:32:38,342
Speaker 8: not really knowing, of not having the right information or

707
00:32:38,342 --> 00:32:40,862
Speaker 8: the tools to move ahead with whatever it is you need.

708
00:32:41,661 --> 00:32:44,302
Speaker 8: So those cards are fantastic. They're resolution cards.

709
00:32:44,542 --> 00:32:47,502
Speaker 6: How does what you do extend into your everyday life,

710
00:32:47,622 --> 00:32:50,142
Speaker 6: Your ability to tap into your intuition in this way

711
00:32:50,182 --> 00:32:52,701
Speaker 6: when you're not pulling cards for people, how does it

712
00:32:52,742 --> 00:32:54,262
Speaker 6: affect how you live your life?

713
00:32:54,742 --> 00:32:55,622
Speaker 1: It's really interesting.

714
00:32:55,661 --> 00:32:57,421
Speaker 8: So I've been in the corporate world for a very

715
00:32:57,542 --> 00:33:00,342
Speaker 8: very very long time. Tara was always something I did

716
00:33:00,342 --> 00:33:03,862
Speaker 8: on the side as a weekend thing just to keep grounded,

717
00:33:04,422 --> 00:33:09,222
Speaker 8: but it often seeped into my everyday life in intuition

718
00:33:09,262 --> 00:33:12,102
Speaker 8: with the people that I work with. It ruined a

719
00:33:12,142 --> 00:33:17,502
Speaker 8: relationship I had with a lovely psychologist. Well, I was

720
00:33:17,502 --> 00:33:20,221
Speaker 8: seeing a psychologist during a really hard breakup. So it

721
00:33:20,262 --> 00:33:23,181
Speaker 8: was a divorce, it was awful divorce, and so she

722
00:33:23,302 --> 00:33:27,022
Speaker 8: was helping with communication after separation and so one day

723
00:33:27,062 --> 00:33:29,102
Speaker 8: she was talking and I started to go off into

724
00:33:29,142 --> 00:33:31,902
Speaker 8: a bit of a trance and saw an image of

725
00:33:31,942 --> 00:33:35,941
Speaker 8: her hugging a male and crying. And then I stopped

726
00:33:35,942 --> 00:33:37,782
Speaker 8: and I remembered she had said to me the year

727
00:33:37,822 --> 00:33:39,982
Speaker 8: before I saw her for three years that she had

728
00:33:40,022 --> 00:33:43,102
Speaker 8: lost her mother in law, and so I thought, oh,

729
00:33:43,262 --> 00:33:45,702
Speaker 8: this must be me tapping into their grief. It must

730
00:33:45,702 --> 00:33:48,302
Speaker 8: be her husband. And so I said, oh, how's your

731
00:33:48,342 --> 00:33:52,461
Speaker 8: husband doing the loss of his mum, And then she

732
00:33:52,582 --> 00:33:54,822
Speaker 8: just blurted out that the husband had left her, that

733
00:33:54,862 --> 00:33:58,582
Speaker 8: he finally could live his life freely, and after thirty

734
00:33:58,622 --> 00:34:00,902
Speaker 8: three years they'd been living a lie. So it all

735
00:34:00,942 --> 00:34:04,622
Speaker 8: just came out. And so suddenly the relationship of counselor

736
00:34:04,702 --> 00:34:08,382
Speaker 8: or psychologist patient, yeah, it crossed that boundary. So we

737
00:34:08,422 --> 00:34:11,502
Speaker 8: could no longer cont you knew that relationship, and I

738
00:34:11,542 --> 00:34:14,222
Speaker 8: had to see another psychologist.

739
00:34:13,742 --> 00:34:17,262
Speaker 5: That yeah, okay, we have some questions about our office ghost,

740
00:34:17,342 --> 00:34:17,861
Speaker 5: don't we.

741
00:34:17,902 --> 00:34:18,462
Speaker 4: Yes, we do.

742
00:34:18,741 --> 00:34:22,341
Speaker 3: Okay, so you have come in. And before you came in,

743
00:34:22,422 --> 00:34:25,221
Speaker 3: there were people in the office who were here when

744
00:34:25,221 --> 00:34:27,181
Speaker 3: we were doing the office move, and they went, there's

745
00:34:27,181 --> 00:34:30,062
Speaker 3: some weird stuff happening. And then you came in and

746
00:34:30,102 --> 00:34:32,821
Speaker 3: we had a few questions. What did you sense when

747
00:34:32,822 --> 00:34:33,902
Speaker 3: you came into the office?

748
00:34:34,142 --> 00:34:36,782
Speaker 8: A heavy feeling in three different spots of the office.

749
00:34:36,822 --> 00:34:40,342
Speaker 8: So the office is quite a lovely, cheery place, especially

750
00:34:40,382 --> 00:34:44,661
Speaker 8: in the back area. There's a lot of creativity where

751
00:34:45,062 --> 00:34:47,622
Speaker 8: somewhere near that place called the Lemonade.

752
00:34:47,181 --> 00:34:49,181
Speaker 2: Room, yep, that's us where they're there.

753
00:34:49,902 --> 00:34:52,422
Speaker 8: That's a fabulous spot. But then there are other spots

754
00:34:52,422 --> 00:34:54,622
Speaker 8: where I'd walk around and that I'd feel different things.

755
00:34:54,622 --> 00:34:57,221
Speaker 8: And it wasn't just because of the building. There were

756
00:34:57,221 --> 00:34:59,221
Speaker 8: different things going on for different people, and I could

757
00:34:59,261 --> 00:35:02,181
Speaker 8: separate out what was there because of the person. But

758
00:35:02,582 --> 00:35:04,741
Speaker 8: this was a different sense. It was the sense of

759
00:35:04,781 --> 00:35:08,821
Speaker 8: something that shouldn't be here, needed to transcend and move on.

760
00:35:09,022 --> 00:35:11,701
Speaker 8: But it's still stuck. And that's in the kitchen, it's

761
00:35:11,701 --> 00:35:20,142
Speaker 8: in that little office space and for Mia and in

762
00:35:20,221 --> 00:35:21,222
Speaker 8: your other studio.

763
00:35:21,661 --> 00:35:23,861
Speaker 3: I mean, people are now kind of looking out for

764
00:35:23,942 --> 00:35:28,181
Speaker 3: things and experiencing certain things. But what should people do,

765
00:35:28,382 --> 00:35:31,781
Speaker 3: Like are we meant to encourage this like ghost to

766
00:35:31,902 --> 00:35:33,942
Speaker 3: move on? Do we say hi to her when we

767
00:35:33,982 --> 00:35:36,261
Speaker 3: walk in in the morning, Like what would you recommend

768
00:35:36,701 --> 00:35:38,942
Speaker 3: you invite it to move on to where it needs

769
00:35:38,982 --> 00:35:41,422
Speaker 3: to be so if it's a she and if you

770
00:35:41,622 --> 00:35:42,262
Speaker 3: named her.

771
00:35:42,342 --> 00:35:47,781
Speaker 5: Yes, because this is a female, mostly female workplace. But

772
00:35:47,822 --> 00:35:49,741
Speaker 5: you're right, like, there's no, we don't know that.

773
00:35:50,422 --> 00:35:51,821
Speaker 4: We don't we don't, we don't know that.

774
00:35:51,902 --> 00:35:55,781
Speaker 8: Yeah, so you could definitely ask her to go where

775
00:35:55,781 --> 00:35:58,782
Speaker 8: she needs to be gently in a nice way. Sometimes

776
00:35:58,822 --> 00:36:01,501
Speaker 8: they're just stuck, not knowing how to move on, why

777
00:36:01,582 --> 00:36:04,701
Speaker 8: to move on, or feeling like they haven't resolved something here.

778
00:36:05,422 --> 00:36:07,901
Speaker 8: There's that, but they will only go if they want to.

779
00:36:08,022 --> 00:36:10,261
Speaker 8: It's not like we have any power to really do

780
00:36:10,422 --> 00:36:11,622
Speaker 8: anything on that.

781
00:36:11,701 --> 00:36:14,701
Speaker 3: I had an additional question about Taro in that it's

782
00:36:14,741 --> 00:36:18,382
Speaker 3: about the president, it's about the future. Can you connect

783
00:36:18,502 --> 00:36:20,582
Speaker 3: with a lot of people, I imagine, go at times

784
00:36:20,582 --> 00:36:23,021
Speaker 3: of grief if they've lost someone just Taro also allow

785
00:36:23,062 --> 00:36:24,542
Speaker 3: you to connect with people who have passed.

786
00:36:24,741 --> 00:36:27,982
Speaker 8: I think that happens not through Taro, but through the person.

787
00:36:28,422 --> 00:36:31,342
Speaker 8: So if the person has mediumship, I've connected with people

788
00:36:31,342 --> 00:36:35,022
Speaker 8: that have passed very rarely, but that's because I'm not

789
00:36:35,062 --> 00:36:37,622
Speaker 8: a person that goes after that contact.

790
00:36:38,102 --> 00:36:39,462
Speaker 4: I know that there are people who.

791
00:36:39,342 --> 00:36:42,262
Speaker 8: Love to go to mediums and they will say, Okay,

792
00:36:42,422 --> 00:36:45,941
Speaker 8: I'm here, let's see who comes through I'm not one

793
00:36:45,982 --> 00:36:48,421
Speaker 8: for that. I think that if the person comes through,

794
00:36:48,422 --> 00:36:51,981
Speaker 8: it's for a specific reason. There's an unresolved issue, there's

795
00:36:52,062 --> 00:36:54,702
Speaker 8: a message of comfort because you're going through something huge

796
00:36:54,822 --> 00:36:57,221
Speaker 8: on this side, and maybe that message is for you

797
00:36:57,302 --> 00:36:58,582
Speaker 8: to continue to.

798
00:36:58,582 --> 00:37:00,102
Speaker 4: Resolve whatever it is you need to.

799
00:37:00,221 --> 00:37:04,462
Speaker 8: And move on. But it isn't something that I would

800
00:37:04,542 --> 00:37:07,142
Speaker 8: seek or would want from my clients.

801
00:37:07,422 --> 00:37:09,782
Speaker 5: Can I ask you what we're about to do? Someestion

802
00:37:09,902 --> 00:37:12,301
Speaker 5: for the outlauders, for each of us. But there will

803
00:37:12,302 --> 00:37:14,542
Speaker 5: be some outlouders listening to this, Evelyn, who are like,

804
00:37:14,582 --> 00:37:15,701
Speaker 5: what a load of nonsense?

805
00:37:15,822 --> 00:37:17,302
Speaker 2: Yes? What a load of tosh?

806
00:37:17,422 --> 00:37:17,702
Speaker 4: Yes?

807
00:37:17,902 --> 00:37:19,902
Speaker 5: And you must get that quite a bit right, Like

808
00:37:20,022 --> 00:37:22,542
Speaker 5: what do you say to the skeptics, Like is this

809
00:37:22,582 --> 00:37:24,582
Speaker 5: the sort of if you believe, then you believe? And

810
00:37:24,661 --> 00:37:26,462
Speaker 5: if you don't, then why are you worried about it?

811
00:37:26,502 --> 00:37:27,821
Speaker 5: Like how do you handle that?

812
00:37:27,982 --> 00:37:28,022
Speaker 7: No?

813
00:37:28,181 --> 00:37:30,661
Speaker 8: I think it's good to be a skeptic. I think

814
00:37:30,661 --> 00:37:33,462
Speaker 8: that's great because we should be this way with everything

815
00:37:33,542 --> 00:37:35,741
Speaker 8: in life. When you meet someone and you fall in love,

816
00:37:35,822 --> 00:37:37,941
Speaker 8: you need to have that caution, don't you. I mean,

817
00:37:38,221 --> 00:37:41,221
Speaker 8: you don't just rushing to everything. It's the same sort

818
00:37:41,261 --> 00:37:43,341
Speaker 8: of thing with this I mean, when you're going to

819
00:37:43,342 --> 00:37:46,022
Speaker 8: see a psychic or whoever, you need to go with

820
00:37:46,062 --> 00:37:49,341
Speaker 8: caution and take things with a grain of salt. It's

821
00:37:49,342 --> 00:37:52,301
Speaker 8: the same when you go and ask for financial information,

822
00:37:52,701 --> 00:37:56,341
Speaker 8: show me the evidence. I guess, right, So someone will

823
00:37:56,382 --> 00:37:57,781
Speaker 8: say to you, I'm great, I'm going to make you

824
00:37:57,822 --> 00:38:00,902
Speaker 8: a million dollars follow my financial advice. Well, show me

825
00:38:00,942 --> 00:38:03,381
Speaker 8: your portfolio. What have you done for other clients? I mean,

826
00:38:03,422 --> 00:38:06,902
Speaker 8: this is the same thing in terms of being skeptic

827
00:38:06,982 --> 00:38:10,182
Speaker 8: because of the subject matter. Is there something out there?

828
00:38:10,661 --> 00:38:13,782
Speaker 8: I don't believe that. I guess that's up to each person.

829
00:38:13,862 --> 00:38:15,982
Speaker 8: I've seen a lot of things that I can't explain.

830
00:38:16,902 --> 00:38:19,901
Speaker 8: I can't say that I'm not a believer, but I

831
00:38:19,942 --> 00:38:22,022
Speaker 8: can't say that I'm one hundred percent believer. And I'm

832
00:38:22,062 --> 00:38:24,542
Speaker 8: going to go out and evangelize and convince others either.

833
00:38:24,862 --> 00:38:27,062
Speaker 8: Everyone has their own journey, Thank.

834
00:38:26,822 --> 00:38:29,582
Speaker 2: You so much. So are we going to pull some

835
00:38:29,622 --> 00:38:30,462
Speaker 2: cards just for it?

836
00:38:30,542 --> 00:38:30,622
Speaker 5: Like?

837
00:38:30,942 --> 00:38:32,422
Speaker 2: Yes, questions from now.

838
00:38:32,422 --> 00:38:35,382
Speaker 3: We've got a few sort of silly light questions that

839
00:38:35,462 --> 00:38:38,181
Speaker 3: we're going to start with that are specific to ask

840
00:38:38,221 --> 00:38:40,301
Speaker 3: in the out louders. Why don't Holly do you want

841
00:38:40,302 --> 00:38:40,701
Speaker 3: to go first?

842
00:38:40,781 --> 00:38:41,021
Speaker 7: Yes?

843
00:38:41,342 --> 00:38:43,181
Speaker 2: So, what do I need to do? Evelyn?

844
00:38:43,221 --> 00:38:46,181
Speaker 5: So these are questions, so we're not going to get

845
00:38:46,302 --> 00:38:47,261
Speaker 5: heavy in this one.

846
00:38:47,302 --> 00:38:47,941
Speaker 2: That's for later.

847
00:38:48,502 --> 00:38:50,942
Speaker 5: That's for later. These are some questions that I know

848
00:38:50,982 --> 00:38:53,381
Speaker 5: the out louders want to know. Okay, what should I do?

849
00:38:53,502 --> 00:38:55,422
Speaker 8: So you need to shuffle the cards, think of the

850
00:38:55,422 --> 00:38:59,262
Speaker 8: out louders. Their fate is in your hands.

851
00:39:00,102 --> 00:39:04,942
Speaker 2: Very grateful to the out Louders. Not a very good shuffler,

852
00:39:04,982 --> 00:39:09,382
Speaker 2: as you can see. That's good no Vegas blackjack for me.

853
00:39:09,942 --> 00:39:12,262
Speaker 4: So what do we need to what's your question?

854
00:39:12,661 --> 00:39:12,901
Speaker 1: Okay?

855
00:39:12,982 --> 00:39:16,462
Speaker 5: So one of the first, very important questions. I'm famous

856
00:39:16,462 --> 00:39:18,062
Speaker 5: in the out loud world for being a bit obsessed

857
00:39:18,062 --> 00:39:21,062
Speaker 5: with the royals. Oh Am, I ever going to get

858
00:39:21,622 --> 00:39:23,501
Speaker 5: a jar of Megan Michael's jam.

859
00:39:25,741 --> 00:39:28,542
Speaker 8: So I need you to spread those out, all of them. Yes,

860
00:39:29,062 --> 00:39:31,701
Speaker 8: and let's pick three. I need you to think of

861
00:39:31,741 --> 00:39:32,142
Speaker 8: the jam.

862
00:39:32,181 --> 00:39:35,221
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm visualizing the jam. I actually tried to order

863
00:39:35,261 --> 00:39:37,701
Speaker 5: some last night. The raspberry was all gone. There was

864
00:39:37,701 --> 00:39:42,102
Speaker 5: only marmalade, and then they wouldn't ship it here anyway.

865
00:39:42,741 --> 00:39:45,542
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, Now does she pick pick three?

866
00:39:45,781 --> 00:39:46,301
Speaker 1: Pick three?

867
00:39:46,342 --> 00:39:49,422
Speaker 8: Which ones are calling to? Okay, let's see which ones?

868
00:39:49,741 --> 00:39:51,421
Speaker 2: Do I turn them over or do you turn them over?

869
00:39:51,582 --> 00:39:52,261
Speaker 1: Hand them over less?

870
00:39:54,302 --> 00:39:56,462
Speaker 8: Let's see, so we've got the full.

871
00:39:58,062 --> 00:39:59,462
Speaker 2: Oh god, that's not a surprise.

872
00:40:00,022 --> 00:40:00,741
Speaker 1: The fool is.

873
00:40:00,701 --> 00:40:04,062
Speaker 8: First, the Queen of Wan's and the moon. You are

874
00:40:04,102 --> 00:40:06,741
Speaker 8: going to get a jar of jam, but the moon

875
00:40:06,822 --> 00:40:11,462
Speaker 8: shows me that it isn't the one you want. So

876
00:40:11,701 --> 00:40:13,862
Speaker 8: you're going to be a little confused with the choice

877
00:40:13,862 --> 00:40:15,661
Speaker 8: you're going to be given. It could even be one

878
00:40:15,701 --> 00:40:18,661
Speaker 8: that is new. It could be a type of.

879
00:40:18,942 --> 00:40:22,582
Speaker 1: Mistraw you're going to get Aprico. Yeah, it could be one.

880
00:40:23,181 --> 00:40:26,942
Speaker 8: It could be the one that hasn't she's releasing new basis. Okay,

881
00:40:26,982 --> 00:40:28,781
Speaker 8: So it could be one of the ones that you

882
00:40:28,862 --> 00:40:32,022
Speaker 8: haven't heard of yet because there's more information coming. But

883
00:40:32,462 --> 00:40:34,901
Speaker 8: Queen of One's, you will get it. It just won't

884
00:40:34,902 --> 00:40:36,022
Speaker 8: be the one you're expecting.

885
00:40:36,741 --> 00:40:40,302
Speaker 1: And where does the fall?

886
00:40:40,422 --> 00:40:42,582
Speaker 8: The fall is the start of a new journey. So

887
00:40:42,661 --> 00:40:44,981
Speaker 8: this is the very first card of the seventy eight

888
00:40:45,862 --> 00:40:48,741
Speaker 8: and the reason why the fall is jumping off a

889
00:40:48,741 --> 00:40:53,022
Speaker 8: cliff like that is taking a leap of faith. So

890
00:40:53,102 --> 00:40:57,741
Speaker 8: you're going to make connections, connection with her and grab that.

891
00:40:57,781 --> 00:41:00,942
Speaker 4: Jam maybe in the UK.

892
00:41:01,142 --> 00:41:07,542
Speaker 6: In her eyes right now, I feel so.

893
00:41:06,382 --> 00:41:08,062
Speaker 3: I'm going to ask a bit of a juicy out

894
00:41:08,062 --> 00:41:12,261
Speaker 3: Loud great myself, Mayor and Holly have been hosting out

895
00:41:12,261 --> 00:41:13,782
Speaker 3: Loud for a lot of years. We've been working together

896
00:41:13,781 --> 00:41:17,301
Speaker 3: for ten years, and we've got Amelia and m who

897
00:41:17,422 --> 00:41:20,942
Speaker 3: are also our hosts. And I have just a broad

898
00:41:21,062 --> 00:41:26,301
Speaker 3: question about the dynamics and the relationship and what you

899
00:41:26,382 --> 00:41:28,982
Speaker 3: see in our future as a.

900
00:41:28,982 --> 00:41:31,502
Speaker 6: Show, okay, And can I piggyback on that and ask

901
00:41:31,622 --> 00:41:32,661
Speaker 6: do you prefer yes? No?

902
00:41:32,982 --> 00:41:35,341
Speaker 1: Or is it okay to ask something no? No, that's it?

903
00:41:35,422 --> 00:41:35,742
Speaker 7: Okay?

904
00:41:35,902 --> 00:41:36,182
Speaker 1: Yes?

905
00:41:36,261 --> 00:41:36,661
Speaker 2: All right?

906
00:41:37,302 --> 00:41:40,542
Speaker 4: So I picked three cards? Okay oop, see.

907
00:41:40,502 --> 00:41:43,781
Speaker 8: So really think about that as bad as shuffling as

908
00:41:43,822 --> 00:41:44,181
Speaker 8: I am.

909
00:41:44,781 --> 00:41:45,781
Speaker 2: She's spreading them out.

910
00:41:46,261 --> 00:41:47,781
Speaker 4: Oh that's a good card.

911
00:41:48,261 --> 00:41:49,821
Speaker 8: You said that was a good card, right, it's a

912
00:41:49,862 --> 00:41:52,021
Speaker 8: great card. Oh that's a great cud.

913
00:41:52,102 --> 00:41:52,462
Speaker 4: Okay.

914
00:41:52,942 --> 00:41:56,062
Speaker 8: So the Queen of Swords, you do have a great

915
00:41:56,142 --> 00:41:59,582
Speaker 8: dynamic between you, but there is someone here with a

916
00:41:59,622 --> 00:42:03,422
Speaker 8: feeling it's like you need to lift their confidence or

917
00:42:03,462 --> 00:42:06,821
Speaker 8: there's a feeling there's imposter syndrome going on with one

918
00:42:06,862 --> 00:42:10,542
Speaker 8: of you, one of your people. However, one that's resolved,

919
00:42:11,142 --> 00:42:13,902
Speaker 8: you've got the world. It'll go very very well between you.

920
00:42:14,302 --> 00:42:16,342
Speaker 8: So the world is that what I was saying before

921
00:42:16,422 --> 00:42:21,022
Speaker 8: that excellent realization. And the Night of Wan's is expansion

922
00:42:21,422 --> 00:42:23,742
Speaker 8: to other places, otherlands, other things.

923
00:42:23,862 --> 00:42:25,502
Speaker 2: Oh Loud's going global.

924
00:42:25,781 --> 00:42:27,982
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh I love there.

925
00:42:28,181 --> 00:42:30,821
Speaker 8: It's very good, It's fantastic. But there's something here that

926
00:42:30,902 --> 00:42:34,221
Speaker 8: needs to just be resolved. So maybe just take on

927
00:42:34,302 --> 00:42:36,421
Speaker 8: that power and yeah, an.

928
00:42:36,342 --> 00:42:39,502
Speaker 4: Issue with confidence maybe yes? Yeah, right, okay, I like

929
00:42:39,582 --> 00:42:41,221
Speaker 4: that one a lot, thank you.

930
00:42:41,701 --> 00:42:45,022
Speaker 6: So yeah, I'm feeling in for me and I've discovered

931
00:42:45,062 --> 00:42:48,901
Speaker 6: recently there's a WhatsApp group that the main hosts are

932
00:42:48,902 --> 00:42:52,702
Speaker 6: on and I'm not in it. Oh and my first

933
00:42:52,781 --> 00:42:57,982
Speaker 6: question is will I ever be added to it? And

934
00:42:58,022 --> 00:42:59,861
Speaker 6: I kind of think I know the answer that I

935
00:42:59,942 --> 00:43:02,622
Speaker 6: kind of want to have them hear it and sit

936
00:43:02,741 --> 00:43:07,981
Speaker 6: with their discomfort. Oh dearly thinking about this WhatsApp group

937
00:43:08,022 --> 00:43:12,821
Speaker 6: and all the links I'm missing. Yep, I can see

938
00:43:12,822 --> 00:43:13,821
Speaker 6: it in my mind's eye.

939
00:43:14,982 --> 00:43:17,942
Speaker 8: See ah, the kind of mystery, the Queen of cups

940
00:43:18,382 --> 00:43:23,861
Speaker 8: information being withheld Ace of ones. Okay, so Ace of

941
00:43:23,902 --> 00:43:26,462
Speaker 8: Ones is You'll definitely be added to the group. So

942
00:43:26,582 --> 00:43:28,222
Speaker 8: this is you realizing your goal.

943
00:43:28,342 --> 00:43:28,982
Speaker 1: See but the.

944
00:43:28,942 --> 00:43:31,542
Speaker 4: World in your hand. I finally have what I wanted.

945
00:43:31,982 --> 00:43:34,301
Speaker 8: The Nine of Ones is You've made a mountain out

946
00:43:34,342 --> 00:43:35,221
Speaker 8: of a mold.

947
00:43:37,142 --> 00:43:44,702
Speaker 1: It wasn't that great? Comfortable with Queen of Cups and there.

948
00:43:44,582 --> 00:43:47,622
Speaker 8: So Queen of Cups, she's the holder of secrets. So

949
00:43:47,781 --> 00:43:50,462
Speaker 8: usually when the Queen of Cups appears, it's because you're

950
00:43:50,542 --> 00:43:53,781
Speaker 8: yet to discover something. So there's information being withheld and

951
00:43:53,822 --> 00:43:57,582
Speaker 8: you're about to discover information, and that's you there, Ace

952
00:43:57,622 --> 00:44:01,341
Speaker 8: of ones. The goal coming through great WhatsApp.

953
00:44:01,582 --> 00:44:07,822
Speaker 1: That's good is how quickly Ameliar exits.

954
00:44:07,462 --> 00:44:09,262
Speaker 4: Once she's joined.

955
00:44:09,302 --> 00:44:11,662
Speaker 3: It's not an interesting chat. It's just me as sending

956
00:44:11,701 --> 00:44:12,781
Speaker 3: links that Holly and I like.

957
00:44:12,781 --> 00:44:14,142
Speaker 1: Which I probably.

958
00:44:15,781 --> 00:44:16,622
Speaker 4: Fantastic card.

959
00:44:18,622 --> 00:44:21,781
Speaker 3: I have one last question, which is I would love

960
00:44:21,862 --> 00:44:24,542
Speaker 3: you to pull three cards for the out loudest for

961
00:44:24,582 --> 00:44:25,661
Speaker 3: the people who are listening.

962
00:44:25,822 --> 00:44:26,821
Speaker 2: Is it possible to do that?

963
00:44:27,102 --> 00:44:27,341
Speaker 5: Then?

964
00:44:27,382 --> 00:44:30,461
Speaker 2: Tub like pick each maybe because represent.

965
00:44:30,221 --> 00:44:31,861
Speaker 1: I think I think that would be best.

966
00:44:31,902 --> 00:44:34,741
Speaker 2: Yes, do you want to grab the cards? Jesse or Amelia?

967
00:44:35,142 --> 00:44:36,942
Speaker 1: I'm happy, Oh yeah, you better do this.

968
00:44:37,022 --> 00:44:41,262
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll do as a host special shuffle.

969
00:44:42,701 --> 00:44:45,102
Speaker 3: Because I wonder that sometimes sometimes I'm on TikTok and

970
00:44:45,102 --> 00:44:47,262
Speaker 3: I see someone doing a taro reading and I'm.

971
00:44:47,142 --> 00:44:48,542
Speaker 1: Like, is that how it works?

972
00:44:48,661 --> 00:44:48,741
Speaker 7: Like?

973
00:44:48,781 --> 00:44:50,261
Speaker 3: Do you have to be in a room with someone like,

974
00:44:50,261 --> 00:44:51,701
Speaker 3: how do you find do it on zoom?

975
00:44:51,822 --> 00:44:52,102
Speaker 1: Yes?

976
00:44:52,661 --> 00:44:56,982
Speaker 2: Ah, so it's not necessarily about the energy. That's interesting.

977
00:44:57,102 --> 00:44:59,222
Speaker 2: And I have one more question too, are your cards?

978
00:44:59,221 --> 00:45:01,661
Speaker 5: Are these cards very particular and important to you, this

979
00:45:01,741 --> 00:45:04,582
Speaker 5: particular set of cards. Yeah, so the Taro reader, you

980
00:45:04,582 --> 00:45:06,422
Speaker 5: will have your cards, your cards.

981
00:45:07,582 --> 00:45:09,502
Speaker 4: Let's go like this and we'll all pick one.

982
00:45:10,982 --> 00:45:13,261
Speaker 5: This is for you a lot out louders, not for us,

983
00:45:13,261 --> 00:45:15,502
Speaker 5: and we'll just find out what.

984
00:45:15,462 --> 00:45:16,221
Speaker 2: Your vibe is.

985
00:45:16,902 --> 00:45:20,182
Speaker 8: Oh wow, so you've picked very good cards. Seven of Cups.

986
00:45:20,221 --> 00:45:22,822
Speaker 8: So this is all about their life and the life

987
00:45:22,902 --> 00:45:27,222
Speaker 8: path and the King of Cups is all about sentimental things.

988
00:45:27,261 --> 00:45:29,822
Speaker 8: So the out louders now are going through a time

989
00:45:29,982 --> 00:45:35,622
Speaker 8: of great sentimentality sensitivity. Anything to do with whatever they're

990
00:45:35,661 --> 00:45:38,462
Speaker 8: listening to will really affect them. So that's the King

991
00:45:38,542 --> 00:45:39,181
Speaker 8: of Cups.

992
00:45:39,542 --> 00:45:39,781
Speaker 7: Yeah.

993
00:45:39,781 --> 00:45:43,142
Speaker 8: There's lots of energy around water signs in particular, So

994
00:45:43,622 --> 00:45:46,102
Speaker 8: if you're an out louder that's a Scorpio, a Pisces,

995
00:45:46,181 --> 00:45:49,862
Speaker 8: or a Cancrian, this would probably really affect you because

996
00:45:49,862 --> 00:45:52,941
Speaker 8: that's the card that represents them. The other thing, too,

997
00:45:53,062 --> 00:45:55,782
Speaker 8: is Amelia's picked a great card for the out louders

998
00:45:56,302 --> 00:45:59,982
Speaker 8: so there's great news coming for these guys in the

999
00:45:59,982 --> 00:46:02,701
Speaker 8: next two weeks. So I don't know, you might have

1000
00:46:02,741 --> 00:46:05,462
Speaker 8: a great update for them on the show or something

1001
00:46:05,542 --> 00:46:09,982
Speaker 8: like that.

1002
00:46:08,741 --> 00:46:12,622
Speaker 3: Yes, that's the excitement, all right, two weeks. We're going

1003
00:46:12,661 --> 00:46:14,982
Speaker 3: to be looking out for it. We'd love to ask Evelyn.

1004
00:46:15,142 --> 00:46:18,542
Speaker 3: So Maya is taking a few months off and she is,

1005
00:46:18,661 --> 00:46:21,462
Speaker 3: which is very unusual for her, Which is very unusual.

1006
00:46:21,542 --> 00:46:22,822
Speaker 4: She's taking a bit of long service.

1007
00:46:22,902 --> 00:46:25,941
Speaker 3: Leave the out louders. They're worried about me because they're

1008
00:46:25,942 --> 00:46:29,622
Speaker 3: not hearing from her nearly enough. And I think we

1009
00:46:29,741 --> 00:46:32,462
Speaker 3: all want to know how things are going, Okay, what

1010
00:46:32,502 --> 00:46:34,862
Speaker 3: the future holds for her in the next few months,

1011
00:46:34,982 --> 00:46:37,542
Speaker 3: like she kind of had plans to travel to do

1012
00:46:37,582 --> 00:46:39,982
Speaker 3: some work projects. Like what do things look like for

1013
00:46:40,022 --> 00:46:41,502
Speaker 3: her over the next few.

1014
00:46:41,422 --> 00:46:44,542
Speaker 1: And if you feel any Copenhagen.

1015
00:46:43,701 --> 00:46:47,221
Speaker 3: Vie, Yes, whether she's going to go or not go,

1016
00:46:47,502 --> 00:46:50,701
Speaker 3: we're very curious. Shall I pick the car?

1017
00:46:50,942 --> 00:46:53,502
Speaker 8: Yeah, let's pick for her, but we've got to think

1018
00:46:53,542 --> 00:46:57,221
Speaker 8: about her. Yeah, okay, so we'll start with three. So

1019
00:46:57,302 --> 00:46:58,942
Speaker 8: what I can see for Mea at the moment is

1020
00:46:58,982 --> 00:47:02,261
Speaker 8: she doesn't really want to hear about anything. So that's

1021
00:47:02,302 --> 00:47:06,382
Speaker 8: her kind of protecting her space. See she's covering her ears.

1022
00:47:07,022 --> 00:47:09,542
Speaker 3: Wow, she hates what we're doing.

1023
00:47:10,741 --> 00:47:14,661
Speaker 8: So there's a real shutting herself off from everything. Although

1024
00:47:14,982 --> 00:47:17,942
Speaker 8: she's never been that like, she's never been as disconnected

1025
00:47:18,221 --> 00:47:22,182
Speaker 8: as now. So this is leads into the next card,

1026
00:47:22,221 --> 00:47:27,142
Speaker 8: the Chariot, which shows an internal discomfort for her during

1027
00:47:27,181 --> 00:47:30,582
Speaker 8: this time. So while she is shutting herself up and saying,

1028
00:47:30,622 --> 00:47:33,421
Speaker 8: I don't want to hear or listen or know what's

1029
00:47:33,502 --> 00:47:35,701
Speaker 8: going on. And it may not even be work, it

1030
00:47:35,741 --> 00:47:37,981
Speaker 8: may be other things that are going could be things

1031
00:47:37,982 --> 00:47:40,862
Speaker 8: going on in the media or anything else. There is

1032
00:47:40,902 --> 00:47:44,142
Speaker 8: a discomfort and so she will be working through that.

1033
00:47:44,261 --> 00:47:46,462
Speaker 8: And that's the Chariot, and it's a fantastic card to

1034
00:47:46,502 --> 00:47:49,382
Speaker 8: get because that actually means a lot of growth.

1035
00:47:50,062 --> 00:47:51,461
Speaker 4: Through discomfort, we grow.

1036
00:47:52,102 --> 00:47:55,102
Speaker 8: And then she has the card of strength, and Mia

1037
00:47:55,142 --> 00:47:59,381
Speaker 8: will be back and stronger than ever. And so her

1038
00:47:59,422 --> 00:48:02,102
Speaker 8: cards are quite good. Can you pick another two for me?

1039
00:48:02,221 --> 00:48:04,221
Speaker 8: I just want to see if that travel pops up.

1040
00:48:05,462 --> 00:48:07,701
Speaker 8: I mean, we're doing a very quick, short version of

1041
00:48:07,701 --> 00:48:10,382
Speaker 8: what you would normally do for some one's reading.

1042
00:48:11,022 --> 00:48:11,221
Speaker 6: No.

1043
00:48:11,382 --> 00:48:15,102
Speaker 8: Look, I see, wow, the Hermit card. She's really taking

1044
00:48:15,142 --> 00:48:18,341
Speaker 8: this time to be on her own. To grow, to

1045
00:48:18,422 --> 00:48:22,142
Speaker 8: think about what she needs, and to try to focus

1046
00:48:22,181 --> 00:48:24,661
Speaker 8: five of swords. You'll see the angel here in this

1047
00:48:24,781 --> 00:48:30,022
Speaker 8: card is cautioning to stay still, to contemplate, and stop

1048
00:48:30,062 --> 00:48:32,582
Speaker 8: being such a person that rushes around and tries to

1049
00:48:32,622 --> 00:48:33,662
Speaker 8: fix everything at once.

1050
00:48:33,822 --> 00:48:34,701
Speaker 2: That doesn't sound like me.

1051
00:48:37,102 --> 00:48:41,982
Speaker 3: That's amazing, that's amazing, very very interesting. I think that

1052
00:48:42,062 --> 00:48:44,062
Speaker 3: we don't tell me and we watch how the future

1053
00:48:44,102 --> 00:48:46,181
Speaker 3: pans out under the next few weeks.

1054
00:48:45,862 --> 00:48:48,142
Speaker 4: And months, but she won't listen anyway.

1055
00:48:52,342 --> 00:48:55,542
Speaker 3: Out ladders. We can't wait to see if those predictions

1056
00:48:55,622 --> 00:48:59,502
Speaker 3: resonated with you. And look, I am I think quite

1057
00:48:59,502 --> 00:49:05,422
Speaker 3: a logical science research person, but there is something I

1058
00:49:05,422 --> 00:49:07,261
Speaker 3: don't know what it is about this year where I

1059
00:49:07,382 --> 00:49:13,182
Speaker 3: quite like leaning into the unexplainable, Like I wouldn't change

1060
00:49:13,261 --> 00:49:16,781
Speaker 3: decisions I make or put all my stock into it,

1061
00:49:17,102 --> 00:49:20,781
Speaker 3: but I just it weirdly makes me feel I kind

1062
00:49:20,781 --> 00:49:22,781
Speaker 3: of like the idea that the future is set and

1063
00:49:22,781 --> 00:49:24,902
Speaker 3: I don't have to worry too much. We could have

1064
00:49:24,902 --> 00:49:27,501
Speaker 3: spoken to Evelyn for ours, and in fact we maybe did.

1065
00:49:27,902 --> 00:49:31,221
Speaker 3: We had one on one Tarry readings with her, and

1066
00:49:31,342 --> 00:49:33,941
Speaker 3: predictably things got quite personal. In fact, what we did

1067
00:49:34,022 --> 00:49:36,221
Speaker 3: is that we all left the room for each other

1068
00:49:36,302 --> 00:49:38,142
Speaker 3: so that it could just be us and one producer

1069
00:49:38,142 --> 00:49:40,661
Speaker 3: and now the outlouders and all the out louders of course,

1070
00:49:41,062 --> 00:49:43,781
Speaker 3: and interestingly, the first card she picked for each of

1071
00:49:43,822 --> 00:49:47,062
Speaker 3: us is really revealing, like it said something about our

1072
00:49:47,102 --> 00:49:49,701
Speaker 3: current frame of mind. What we're going to do is

1073
00:49:49,741 --> 00:49:54,062
Speaker 3: share those readings as subscriber episodes next week. And if

1074
00:49:54,062 --> 00:49:56,181
Speaker 3: you want to get in touch with Evelyn, she's in

1075
00:49:56,261 --> 00:49:58,181
Speaker 3: high demand because the moment the her office has her

1076
00:49:58,181 --> 00:49:58,662
Speaker 3: on retainer.

1077
00:49:58,701 --> 00:50:00,502
Speaker 4: Now she just comes in every day.

1078
00:50:01,062 --> 00:50:03,341
Speaker 3: She is on Instagram and we will pop a link

1079
00:50:03,382 --> 00:50:06,301
Speaker 3: in the show notes and out Louders, I would love you.

1080
00:50:06,822 --> 00:50:08,341
Speaker 3: It's a Friday, Let's have a little bit of woo.

1081
00:50:08,741 --> 00:50:11,022
Speaker 3: I would love the outlo is to grab to jump

1082
00:50:11,062 --> 00:50:14,022
Speaker 3: into the Facebook group and share what Tara card readers

1083
00:50:14,022 --> 00:50:17,462
Speaker 3: have told them yes and if they came.

1084
00:50:17,382 --> 00:50:19,821
Speaker 1: True and just your best stories.

1085
00:50:19,862 --> 00:50:21,382
Speaker 4: I love that stuff so much.

1086
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Speaker 6: After the break, some gripping true crime, X rated, bread making,

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Speaker 6: and a whole lot of ham are recommendations this week.

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Speaker 6: Vibes ideas Atosphere stopping casual, something fun.

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Speaker 1: This is my best recommendation.

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Speaker 6: It's Friday, so we want to help set up your

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Speaker 6: weekend with some of our best recommendations.

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Speaker 1: Jesse, what have you got?

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going to go first. I cannot believe we

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Speaker 3: have not talked about.

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00:51:07,781 --> 00:51:08,741
Speaker 1: This documentary yet.

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00:51:09,142 --> 00:51:13,742
Speaker 3: It is all over Netflix, Unknown Number, the high School

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Speaker 3: cat f Oh.

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Speaker 1: I've seen that. Okay, explain what it is.

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00:51:16,741 --> 00:51:18,942
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, So it is very Netflix in the

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00:51:18,982 --> 00:51:22,022
Speaker 3: way it's made. People will understand that. But the story

1107
00:51:22,582 --> 00:51:25,582
Speaker 3: is wild. The setup is that there's a teenage girl

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Speaker 3: named Lauren, and Lauren is it in a relationship with Owen.

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00:51:28,701 --> 00:51:31,102
Speaker 3: They're like fourteen, right, And as soon as they start dating,

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Speaker 3: she gets these weird messages from an unknown number. They

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00:51:35,302 --> 00:51:38,102
Speaker 3: start to get pretty pretty threatening, as though the person

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00:51:38,142 --> 00:51:41,542
Speaker 3: sort of wants to be with Owen, and they get

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00:51:41,661 --> 00:51:44,941
Speaker 3: more and more persistent, and they end up spanning more

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Speaker 3: than a year. And the weird thing about the messages

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00:51:47,622 --> 00:51:50,382
Speaker 3: is that they contain details that only someone very close

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00:51:50,422 --> 00:51:52,142
Speaker 3: to her would know. So it's often like something that

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00:51:52,142 --> 00:51:56,742
Speaker 3: happens in class, or what she's wearing, or really deep insecurities,

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00:51:57,181 --> 00:51:59,342
Speaker 3: and so all the parents take it to the school

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00:51:59,382 --> 00:52:02,102
Speaker 3: and the school goes is it this classmate or this classmate?

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00:52:02,142 --> 00:52:04,821
Speaker 3: At one point they wonder if it's Lauren herself. And

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00:52:04,862 --> 00:52:09,142
Speaker 3: it gets so bad and like so sexual and almost

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00:52:09,261 --> 00:52:13,062
Speaker 3: violent some of these threats that the FBI gets involved.

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00:52:13,142 --> 00:52:15,301
Speaker 3: And it's quite tech savvy what this person is doing.

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00:52:15,342 --> 00:52:17,781
Speaker 3: It's not just an unknown number, but it's like they're

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00:52:17,822 --> 00:52:20,861
Speaker 3: putting it through a computer that generates a different number.

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00:52:20,902 --> 00:52:22,821
Speaker 3: So you block that number and there's a new one, right,

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00:52:23,142 --> 00:52:26,502
Speaker 3: and even Owen and Lauren break up. The next person

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00:52:26,502 --> 00:52:29,502
Speaker 3: Owen see it starts getting these messages and the twist

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Speaker 3: of this documentary, what everyone's talking about is who is

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00:52:32,661 --> 00:52:33,181
Speaker 3: behind it?

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00:52:33,261 --> 00:52:35,381
Speaker 6: But do we actually find out? Because I'm annoyed by

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00:52:35,382 --> 00:52:37,022
Speaker 6: Netflix documentaries that leave me hanging.

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00:52:37,261 --> 00:52:41,342
Speaker 3: Yes, I hate that when it's basically like with theories

1134
00:52:41,502 --> 00:52:43,781
Speaker 3: and I'm like, no, no, no, theories. Oh we find

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00:52:43,822 --> 00:52:47,261
Speaker 3: out and it gets deep and once you watch.

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Speaker 2: These people like cooperating, yes.

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00:52:49,181 --> 00:52:52,822
Speaker 3: All of them, all of them are being into like everyone,

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Speaker 3: and so once you watch that documentary, which you will

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00:52:57,022 --> 00:52:59,942
Speaker 3: just have a lot of feelings about. There is then

1140
00:53:00,022 --> 00:53:02,421
Speaker 3: an article in the cut, which is a long form

1141
00:53:02,542 --> 00:53:05,261
Speaker 3: feature about this that was actually written before the documentary

1142
00:53:05,502 --> 00:53:08,622
Speaker 3: that gives you even more details about very small town,

1143
00:53:09,302 --> 00:53:12,741
Speaker 3: the suspicions this sounds so they thought it was.

1144
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Speaker 1: I wonder if it's number one on Netflix, right? You wonder?

1145
00:53:15,781 --> 00:53:17,261
Speaker 4: It's so good?

1146
00:53:17,502 --> 00:53:19,901
Speaker 3: So you have to go and read that too, And

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00:53:20,062 --> 00:53:21,542
Speaker 3: if I watch it too, Can we talk about it

1148
00:53:21,582 --> 00:53:24,261
Speaker 3: this week? I think we have to because I can't

1149
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Speaker 3: stop thinking about it.

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Speaker 6: I've got actually another kind of true crime thing. This

1151
00:53:28,302 --> 00:53:30,902
Speaker 6: is on Disney and it's a show called The Twisted

1152
00:53:30,982 --> 00:53:32,502
Speaker 6: Tale of Amanda Knox.

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00:53:32,822 --> 00:53:35,102
Speaker 3: I saw that and I wondered if i'd reach peak

1154
00:53:35,102 --> 00:53:35,622
Speaker 3: commander now.

1155
00:53:36,181 --> 00:53:37,982
Speaker 2: And I know all that story.

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00:53:37,902 --> 00:53:41,502
Speaker 6: So I actually have a really bad memory. And the

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00:53:41,582 --> 00:53:44,341
Speaker 6: best part about that is that true crime documentaries are

1158
00:53:44,342 --> 00:53:48,702
Speaker 6: always super surprising. So remember American Crime Story, OJ Simpson

1159
00:53:49,462 --> 00:53:51,582
Speaker 6: literally had no idea if he would even be found

1160
00:53:51,582 --> 00:53:55,422
Speaker 6: guilty or not, saying at the television as the plot

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Speaker 6: twists unveiled. So maybe you need to take this recommendation

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00:53:58,982 --> 00:54:01,342
Speaker 6: with a grain of salt. But this is an extraordinary

1163
00:54:01,382 --> 00:54:03,781
Speaker 6: case let me explain to the one person who doesn't know,

1164
00:54:03,862 --> 00:54:05,902
Speaker 6: like I don't. It happened in two thousand and seven.

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00:54:06,102 --> 00:54:13,302
Speaker 6: Amanda Knox was an American student studying in Italy in Puglia.

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Speaker 2: And Julia.

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00:54:17,261 --> 00:54:22,542
Speaker 6: Julia, and she spent years in prison after she was

1168
00:54:22,582 --> 00:54:26,701
Speaker 6: wrongfully convicted of the murder of her British roommate. And

1169
00:54:26,942 --> 00:54:29,062
Speaker 6: this is based on her memoir, so it's very much

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00:54:29,102 --> 00:54:32,302
Speaker 6: from her perspective. But it's sort of in that genre

1171
00:54:32,422 --> 00:54:35,261
Speaker 6: of like when you get caught up with law enforcement

1172
00:54:35,382 --> 00:54:37,582
Speaker 6: in a foreign country and how scary that is and

1173
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Speaker 6: you don't even understand what the police are saying to you.

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00:54:40,062 --> 00:54:43,102
Speaker 6: I put Bridget Jones two in that same category, and

1175
00:54:43,382 --> 00:54:46,622
Speaker 6: it's just really terrifying, and it looks it's not perfect.

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00:54:46,661 --> 00:54:49,622
Speaker 6: In fact, it's got some really weird stylistic decisions. On

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00:54:49,741 --> 00:54:52,462
Speaker 6: the night the murder took place, Amanda was with her

1178
00:54:52,502 --> 00:54:55,622
Speaker 6: Italian boyfriend watching the movie Amelie. Was that grow that

1179
00:54:55,661 --> 00:54:58,661
Speaker 6: we are liking, well done good, I'm glad and the

1180
00:54:58,781 --> 00:55:02,982
Speaker 6: whole show is weirdly and whimsically done in the style

1181
00:55:03,102 --> 00:55:06,582
Speaker 6: of the movie Emlie, which I know is super weird,

1182
00:55:06,622 --> 00:55:09,502
Speaker 6: but I do like em Lee, so I guess that's fine.

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00:55:09,942 --> 00:55:11,941
Speaker 3: Sometimes you've got to kind of mix up your true

1184
00:55:11,942 --> 00:55:12,502
Speaker 3: crime story.

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00:55:12,582 --> 00:55:15,181
Speaker 1: I think it's because a lot of people probably do feel.

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00:55:14,902 --> 00:55:17,062
Speaker 6: Like they know the story very well, and it's it

1187
00:55:17,142 --> 00:55:20,661
Speaker 6: is a very stylistic retelling, I would say, so I

1188
00:55:20,781 --> 00:55:22,862
Speaker 6: have been really engrossed in it.

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00:55:22,781 --> 00:55:23,982
Speaker 2: It's a series, not one.

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00:55:24,062 --> 00:55:25,542
Speaker 6: It's a series, and it's one of those ones where

1191
00:55:25,542 --> 00:55:28,262
Speaker 6: they're dropping week by week, so it's sort of old school.

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00:55:28,382 --> 00:55:30,861
Speaker 6: So it hasn't actually even finished yet, but lots of

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00:55:30,862 --> 00:55:32,622
Speaker 6: twists and turns are very tense.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I will give that a go. Actually, I'm looking

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00:55:35,062 --> 00:55:35,542
Speaker 3: for something.

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00:55:35,661 --> 00:55:37,301
Speaker 6: If you're looking for true crime with a twist of

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00:55:37,302 --> 00:55:40,022
Speaker 6: Emily Holly, what have you got.

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00:55:40,502 --> 00:55:42,821
Speaker 2: No true crime from me? You'll be surprised to hear.

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Speaker 5: So I know that no one is watching my friend

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Speaker 5: Megan's season two of.

1201
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Speaker 4: It's not even on my Netflix.

1202
00:55:50,502 --> 00:55:52,902
Speaker 3: Like when I turn on Netflix, it doesn't even acknowledge it.

1203
00:55:52,902 --> 00:55:53,821
Speaker 2: It knows you too well.

1204
00:55:53,902 --> 00:55:57,022
Speaker 5: Yeah, it still really upsets me that this show is

1205
00:55:57,062 --> 00:56:00,261
Speaker 5: not called as Ever Megan. It's like or even this

1206
00:56:00,342 --> 00:56:04,622
Speaker 5: is Megan now discussed brand disaster because it's called with

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00:56:04,862 --> 00:56:07,861
Speaker 5: Love Megan, right, which come on, just get it up.

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00:56:07,982 --> 00:56:11,222
Speaker 6: It's actually two sign ups, Love Megan and as ever Meghan.

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00:56:11,261 --> 00:56:12,502
Speaker 1: That are two ways of email.

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00:56:12,942 --> 00:56:13,462
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1211
00:56:13,502 --> 00:56:16,622
Speaker 5: Anyway, she made as we've discussed on the show before

1212
00:56:16,622 --> 00:56:18,582
Speaker 5: she made the second season, when she made the first

1213
00:56:18,622 --> 00:56:21,941
Speaker 5: season of the show, it's the lifestyle cooking show. I'm

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00:56:21,982 --> 00:56:25,341
Speaker 5: not recommending the whole thing, but i am recommending if

1215
00:56:25,382 --> 00:56:27,622
Speaker 5: you've had a hard week, if life's just.

1216
00:56:27,582 --> 00:56:28,421
Speaker 2: Been a little bit shit.

1217
00:56:28,542 --> 00:56:34,221
Speaker 5: This week watched the last episode, episode eight with Now

1218
00:56:34,302 --> 00:56:36,062
Speaker 5: I'm going to get schooled on my pronunciation.

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00:56:36,422 --> 00:56:38,301
Speaker 2: Spanish isn't my strength. I'm not doing that.

1220
00:56:39,382 --> 00:56:45,582
Speaker 5: Jose Andres soundly, so he's a really big deal Spanish chef.

1221
00:56:45,902 --> 00:56:48,542
Speaker 5: And he's also the guy who started World's Central Kitchen,

1222
00:56:48,622 --> 00:56:52,622
Speaker 5: which is an amazing organization that goes into disaster areas

1223
00:56:53,102 --> 00:56:56,901
Speaker 5: and war zones, and he's started this organization basically sends

1224
00:56:56,982 --> 00:56:58,701
Speaker 5: chefs in and they set up kitchens and they cook

1225
00:56:58,781 --> 00:57:01,301
Speaker 5: meals for people, and they employ local chefs to do it.

1226
00:57:01,462 --> 00:57:02,382
Speaker 2: And it's a.

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00:57:02,142 --> 00:57:04,741
Speaker 5: Really really great course. They're in Gaza at the moment.

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00:57:04,741 --> 00:57:08,181
Speaker 5: They've got an aim to serve a million meals a day. Anyway,

1229
00:57:08,781 --> 00:57:11,381
Speaker 5: that's not what it's about. What it's about is that

1230
00:57:11,462 --> 00:57:14,862
Speaker 5: Jose comes to Meghan's fatsy house that isn't really a house,

1231
00:57:15,342 --> 00:57:18,982
Speaker 5: and his vibe is so amazingly strong.

1232
00:57:19,822 --> 00:57:20,982
Speaker 4: Does he make something yummy?

1233
00:57:21,142 --> 00:57:23,782
Speaker 5: They make a Spanish feast for the crew because it's

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00:57:23,782 --> 00:57:24,502
Speaker 5: the last episode.

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00:57:24,502 --> 00:57:25,102
Speaker 1: That's nice.

1236
00:57:25,142 --> 00:57:27,742
Speaker 5: So for the whole eighty people crew of Megan's show,

1237
00:57:28,262 --> 00:57:30,742
Speaker 5: none of whom acquite as glamorous as Meghan because they're

1238
00:57:30,742 --> 00:57:33,742
Speaker 5: not ordinary people. But they're allowed in this episode to

1239
00:57:33,822 --> 00:57:37,622
Speaker 5: eat oysters, to eat lobster, to drink kava, which is

1240
00:57:37,662 --> 00:57:40,502
Speaker 5: like Spanish proseco out of a tea potty thing to

1241
00:57:40,582 --> 00:57:41,262
Speaker 5: have a good time.

1242
00:57:43,222 --> 00:57:43,822
Speaker 2: Well it's not a.

1243
00:57:43,782 --> 00:57:46,302
Speaker 5: Teapop, but apparently it's a traditional Spanish thing that looks

1244
00:57:46,342 --> 00:57:48,382
Speaker 5: like a teapot and you teep it up like this

1245
00:57:48,502 --> 00:57:51,062
Speaker 5: and the bubbles going to sound, and he tries to

1246
00:57:51,182 --> 00:57:52,501
Speaker 5: a bit Meghan to do it, but she's not gonna

1247
00:57:52,502 --> 00:57:53,342
Speaker 5: because on camera.

1248
00:57:53,182 --> 00:57:56,142
Speaker 1: That might and also she's wearing white linen exactly.

1249
00:57:57,102 --> 00:57:58,342
Speaker 2: He is such a vibe.

1250
00:57:58,542 --> 00:58:02,622
Speaker 5: He makes her like relax and she becomes quite cool,

1251
00:58:03,102 --> 00:58:05,022
Speaker 5: and I just love it.

1252
00:58:05,022 --> 00:58:06,262
Speaker 2: It's such a good episode.

1253
00:58:06,262 --> 00:58:07,942
Speaker 5: So you don't want to watch the whole season, but

1254
00:58:07,982 --> 00:58:11,182
Speaker 5: if you've had a hard day, just go watch the

1255
00:58:11,422 --> 00:58:15,461
Speaker 5: Walking vibe. That is Jose Andress loosen Megan up over

1256
00:58:15,542 --> 00:58:16,622
Speaker 5: some very good pay hour.

1257
00:58:16,862 --> 00:58:17,422
Speaker 2: That's all about.

1258
00:58:17,982 --> 00:58:19,542
Speaker 6: But we were told there was going to be something

1259
00:58:19,622 --> 00:58:21,942
Speaker 6: sexy here. This doesn't sound that sexy.

1260
00:58:22,422 --> 00:58:24,462
Speaker 2: We need to talk about them with our ice trailer.

1261
00:58:24,582 --> 00:58:28,582
Speaker 5: Oh yes, So just for everybody to know this, this

1262
00:58:28,622 --> 00:58:30,382
Speaker 5: is a week of retractions from me. Remember how I

1263
00:58:30,382 --> 00:58:32,462
Speaker 5: said Kate wouldn't go blond, and then she went blonde.

1264
00:58:32,662 --> 00:58:34,742
Speaker 5: And then I said, I'm not on board with this

1265
00:58:34,862 --> 00:58:38,022
Speaker 5: adaptation of one of my favorite books because Margot Robbie

1266
00:58:38,062 --> 00:58:41,502
Speaker 5: is wrong. Jacober LORDI is wrong. The director Emerald Fernell

1267
00:58:41,542 --> 00:58:44,582
Speaker 5: was getting a bit too saucy. I watched the trailer

1268
00:58:44,982 --> 00:58:48,102
Speaker 5: full retraction. Emerald Fanell in her we should just trust

1269
00:58:48,182 --> 00:58:51,982
Speaker 5: because look, it's not going to please the classics like this,

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00:58:52,742 --> 00:58:56,022
Speaker 5: you know it clearly is a very generous interpretation and

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00:58:56,222 --> 00:58:58,542
Speaker 5: just a warning like they aren't know happy ending in

1272
00:58:58,582 --> 00:58:59,302
Speaker 5: that situation.

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00:58:59,502 --> 00:59:02,542
Speaker 2: That's fine, but that looks hot.

1274
00:59:02,422 --> 00:59:07,102
Speaker 5: Heaving bosom like literally the eggs the needing.

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00:59:06,902 --> 00:59:07,901
Speaker 1: A lot of need.

1276
00:59:08,022 --> 00:59:08,582
Speaker 2: We are you with me?

1277
00:59:08,782 --> 00:59:11,142
Speaker 6: No, look, I mean jacob A Laudia Margat Robbie are

1278
00:59:11,142 --> 00:59:13,622
Speaker 6: the two best looking people in the world. I could

1279
00:59:13,662 --> 00:59:17,342
Speaker 6: stare at their faces. They're Aussie faces forever. I'm into

1280
00:59:17,382 --> 00:59:19,262
Speaker 6: it now, Holly, you convinced me. Let's all go with

1281
00:59:19,262 --> 00:59:21,222
Speaker 6: our frozen cokes on Valentina.

1282
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Speaker 5: Loved it, Love love love, Out Louders, thank you so much.

1283
00:59:25,382 --> 00:59:27,742
Speaker 3: I've got it for listening to today's show, and our

1284
00:59:27,782 --> 00:59:31,702
Speaker 3: fabulous team for putting this show together. Friends, don't forget.

1285
00:59:31,742 --> 00:59:34,462
Speaker 3: You can also watch us on YouTube. Holly, if she

1286
00:59:34,462 --> 00:59:37,262
Speaker 3: could speak, would say, I have on a pretty shirt now.

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Speaker 3: A big thank you to our team group executive producer

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Speaker 3: Ruth Devine, executive producers Emmeline Gazillis and Sasha Tannic.

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Speaker 6: Our senior audio producer is Leah Porge's video producer Josh Green,

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Speaker 6: and our junior content producers are Coco and Tessa Bye Bye.

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Speaker 3: And out Louders. If you have wondered, if you have

1292
00:59:57,142 --> 00:59:58,742
Speaker 3: been sitting there going why have they not done an

1293
00:59:58,902 --> 01:00:01,222
Speaker 3: entire segment on Gwyneth Paltrow's biography.

1294
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Speaker 4: Fabulous question.

1295
01:00:02,822 --> 01:00:03,981
Speaker 2: I'd been asking that for ages.

1296
01:00:04,142 --> 01:00:07,422
Speaker 3: Yes, we have exciting news, just like I forced Taro

1297
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Speaker 3: these two for Squinne. So yesterday's subscriber episode is basically

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Speaker 3: your cheat sheet. I didn't read the book but for

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