Speaker 1: So much.
Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 3: MoMA Maya acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters
Speaker 3: that this podcast is recorded on. Did you love the
Speaker 3: episode we did on Paul Mescal about how he supposedly
Speaker 3: runs away from his one night stance. That wasn't all
Speaker 3: we talked about, but let's be real, it was the
Speaker 3: most absurd part of it. We thought we'd share an
Speaker 3: episode of mum MIA's daily celebrity podcast, This Spill, because
Speaker 3: they did a brutally honest review of Paul's new movie
Speaker 3: Gladiator two. It's not just Paul's movie, of course, there
Speaker 3: are other big names in it too, like Pedro Pascal
Speaker 3: and Denzil Washington, but it is being called Paul Mescal's
Speaker 3: movie by all the young, cool people like us. You're
Speaker 3: about to hear about all the best and worst moments
Speaker 3: from Gladiator too, and also an acknowledgment of Russell Crow's
Speaker 3: hurt feelings for not being included. Enjoy from MoMA Mia.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm
Speaker 2: m Burnham and I'm Laura Brednick Hand. On today's show,
Speaker 2: get your horses and carriages out because we're diving deep
Speaker 2: back into the BC time. Also AD unclear, it's AD.
Speaker 2: We're going back to the Roman Empire where Paul Mescal
Speaker 2: killed everyone. We are going to be doing much anticipated,
Speaker 2: brutally honest review of Gladiator too.
Speaker 1: Yes, and we can watch us always in there if
Speaker 1: you're not across our brilliant honest reviews, they are where
Speaker 1: we let you the audience know they're coming. So you
Speaker 1: know whichever movie or TV show that we're going to
Speaker 1: be having a passionate debate about, and it's really just
Speaker 1: a space for us to give out honest thoughts, behind
Speaker 1: the scenes stories really go deep into the core of
Speaker 1: this thing that has we have been obsessing over us
Speaker 1: since we saw it. And obviously spoiler alert, we're going
Speaker 1: to be talking about the ending. So we've given you.
Speaker 2: A full week, which we are very kind people, We'll
Speaker 2: give you a week to watch it. But yeah, spoilers.
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean Paul Meskal said he wanted people to
Speaker 1: see this in cinemas and if you've disappointed Paul, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna say that's on you.
Speaker 2: You disappointed us.
Speaker 1: So Gladiator two with what we're here today to discuss. So,
Speaker 1: first of all, life to ask you a very important question.
Speaker 1: You've seen Gladiator the original?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Yes? But I saw the original after it was announced? Yes,
Speaker 2: but you went did your home or I didn't know
Speaker 2: where you went to the premiere? Many did not bes
Speaker 2: a mess, Russell Crow because.
Speaker 1: As we were sitting in the premiere and Paul Mescale
Speaker 1: had just come out on stage, and it was clapping
Speaker 1: and the lights were about to go down, and that
Speaker 1: is when a number of people around me leaned over
Speaker 1: and whispered, what.
Speaker 2: Is Gladiator the first one about? Right? You can't be
Speaker 2: Australian and not know what Gladiator is.
Speaker 1: Well, just in case some of our listeners are also
Speaker 1: in that boat that they just have no idea where
Speaker 1: the original movie is. No, no, your points did.
Speaker 2: I was in that boat until like a month ago.
Speaker 1: I just thought that everyone was sitting in the cinema
Speaker 1: about to watch this movie. And it's fair enough that
Speaker 1: you hadn't watched the first one if that was your choice,
Speaker 1: and that's the piece you'd made with what over God
Speaker 1: that you subscribed to. However, it's a weird thing to
Speaker 1: start worrying about it as the lights go down. So
Speaker 1: just in case anyone else is in that boat. Gladiator
Speaker 1: came out in the year two thousand.
Speaker 2: You've had twenty four years to watch it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, time is it digging historical epic drama directed by
Speaker 1: Ridley Scott. It was a huge success when it came
Speaker 1: out in the year two thousand. It was actually the
Speaker 1: second highest grossing film of the year. It received almost
Speaker 1: universal critical and fam acclaim. Everyone was basically saying, this
Speaker 1: is the best movie we've ever seen. It also went
Speaker 1: on to win five Academy Awards, including the very coveted
Speaker 1: Best Picture and also Best Actor for young Russell.
Speaker 2: Crowe, Ah, Little Hotty and.
Speaker 1: The most Oscars I believe one of any movie that year.
Speaker 1: So a real clean sweep across the board. So in
Speaker 1: the original movie, Russell Crowe plays a Roman general called
Speaker 1: Maximus who is betrayed.
Speaker 2: I won't get into the backstory. It's you know, it'siler
Speaker 2: last twenty four Yes, spoilers, classic guy staff betrayal, revenge.
Speaker 1: You know man is Megan Man killing other Mega men? Yeah,
Speaker 1: men don't know how to work with their feelings. And
Speaker 1: it said they go on epic quest to you know,
Speaker 1: take down their enemy Barton. So Russell Crowe is you know,
Speaker 1: Russell Crowe, Maximus, they're.
Speaker 2: All very entertain it's Russell and Paul.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna be calling them Russell and Paul henceforth
Speaker 1: instead of their character names. So Russell Crowe reduced to slavery,
Speaker 1: becomes a gladiator and rises through the ranks of the arena,
Speaker 1: and spoiler Rolert because it's very crucial to Gladiator two,
Speaker 1: he dies at the end, which brings.
Speaker 2: Us to he had a good run? Did I think
Speaker 2: he did? I guess he died trying to like save
Speaker 2: his feet for a purpose, something greater than him as
Speaker 2: a man.
Speaker 1: Any of us can ask for. I meant, I don't
Speaker 1: want that to be me.
Speaker 2: No, I would never die for anyone.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't if anyone wouldn't die for you, wouldn't I
Speaker 1: Kim our producer. I'm just saying that now.
Speaker 2: But speaking of Kim our producer, So you're saying this,
Speaker 2: this is a recap of Gladiator one, because okay, you
Speaker 2: do kind of have to have a sense of Gladiator
Speaker 2: one before you watch Gladiator two. However, I was sitting
Speaker 2: between our video producer Julian and our producer Kim. Both
Speaker 2: have watched Gladiator, both had no idea what was going on.
Speaker 2: The amount of questions I got from these two people
Speaker 2: was insane.
Speaker 1: People asking me questions in the movie quite stresses me
Speaker 1: out because I'm like, please hold questions to the end.
Speaker 2: First of all, no talking during the movie. You're interrupting
Speaker 2: me watching men kill themselves.
Speaker 1: Second of all, I hate it when like, I guess
Speaker 1: this is different, because they could be like, is that
Speaker 1: the guy from the first movie, and you can be like, no,
Speaker 1: shut up.
Speaker 2: But it's more so when I want to see like
Speaker 2: one hundred years old.
Speaker 1: There's so many movies I go to and listen to
Speaker 1: a brand new story, and like a friend or whoever
Speaker 1: I'm with from work will lean over and say, what's
Speaker 1: happening here? I'm like, we have the same information. We're
Speaker 1: watching the same movie.
Speaker 2: My mom does that all like opening credit. Yeah, She'll
Speaker 2: be like, why are we at the beach? I'm like, Mom,
Speaker 2: this is literally the first thing. I don't know why
Speaker 2: they're gonna tell us. Okay, now we put that gripe
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 1: We had to get that's just a love letter to
Speaker 1: all of our friends and family not to talk to
Speaker 1: us in the movies. So basically, Gladiator two takes place
Speaker 1: many many years, like well over a decade after Gladiator one.
Speaker 1: And we know this because the son of Maximum Lucius,
Speaker 1: Lucius was a child in the first movie, and now
Speaker 1: he's a grown up, buff, adult man in the form
Speaker 1: of Paul Mescal looking very hot. It must be said
Speaker 1: and will be said many times throughout this podcast.
Speaker 2: So that is the biggest spoiler in the entire film.
Speaker 2: I think people knew that growing in, right, Yeah, I
Speaker 2: knew it, But that's because, like we're Gladiator fans, there
Speaker 2: are some people in the cinema, Kim, who were like,
Speaker 2: what's going on? Who was that?
Speaker 1: So after Maximus was killed, Lucius was like spirited away
Speaker 1: secretly by his mother Lucilla, played by Connie Nielsen, who
Speaker 1: is reprising her role from the first movie as Maximus's lover.
Speaker 2: Can we talk about some low brow rumors for a second.
Speaker 2: Oh sure. I was watching an interview when they were
Speaker 2: doing the press junket with Paul Mescal and Fred Hegenjer,
Speaker 2: and the interviewer asked Paul if Russell Crowe had called
Speaker 2: him and like given him some tips, and Paul straight
Speaker 2: away was like, no, I haven't talked to Russell Crowe,
Speaker 2: Like I haven't talked to him at all, and I
Speaker 2: was like, knowing what we know about Russell Crowe, he's
Speaker 2: an angry man. It has to be said. He would
Speaker 2: agree with that. He would agree with that. I Oh,
Speaker 2: I feel bad for Paul, But you know what, this
Speaker 2: movie was great, and I just wish I just feel
Speaker 2: like if Russell just gave him like a few like tips,
Speaker 2: or like had like a few little cameo roles like
Speaker 2: I think that could have just been like the perfect movie.
Speaker 2: It was a great movie. I think that could have
Speaker 2: made it perfect.
Speaker 1: Can I tell you a rumor that I think an
Speaker 1: unfounded and unfounded accusation it must be said around why
Speaker 1: there might be bad blood between Paul Mescal and Russell Crowe,
Speaker 1: a rumor that we are starting here on this very podcast.
Speaker 1: I mean, the bad blood. This one's been around for
Speaker 1: a while. I mean, when you have a blockbuster movie
Speaker 1: like that, of course everyone starts saying afterwards, after one
Speaker 1: of the oscars have made that much money, sequel, what
Speaker 1: do we do next? And so Ridley Scott and the
Speaker 1: team behind the first Gladiator movie were in talks for
Speaker 1: a long time to try and get a sequel up
Speaker 1: much sooner than twenty years but Russell Crowe well, allegedly
Speaker 1: again massive. Allegedly, Russell Crowe had thought he could probably
Speaker 1: come back because the biggest role of his career at
Speaker 1: this point.
Speaker 2: How did he think he'd come back he died?
Speaker 1: Well, apparently he favored a fantasy element in bringing Maximus
Speaker 1: back to life. But the studio were the ones who
Speaker 1: were like, no, it's not we can't bring you back
Speaker 1: to life in any kind of way. And they were
Speaker 1: the ones who were really pushing on having his son
Speaker 1: take on the main storyline because they were like, that kid,
Speaker 1: what happened to him? Surely he grows up to be
Speaker 1: a little mini Russell Crowe when he cast a hot
Speaker 1: young actor done.
Speaker 2: Something like a faster situation. Do you know where he
Speaker 2: appears in the stars and he's like Lucius looked to
Speaker 2: the sky, I am always with to you and he's like, wait,
Speaker 2: you're my dad. I thought you were just some idol.
Speaker 1: I liked It's funny because they kept having all these
Speaker 1: almost like ghostly moments rut the scene where Maximus aka
Speaker 1: Russell Crowe was meant to be there, like did you
Speaker 1: see how like the wind swept some of the gradd
Speaker 1: They tried.
Speaker 2: So hard to make it look like Russell was there,
Speaker 2: and we knew he wasn't there. Well, that scene right
Speaker 2: at the end where he's like stroking some flowers, like
Speaker 2: a field of flowers, and he was stroking the gravel
Speaker 2: where his father died. My god, I wonder whose hand
Speaker 2: that was. I wonder how much I got paid.
Speaker 1: You know, to be Russell Crowe's hand. So that all happened. Okay,
Speaker 1: back to the original movie. So yeah, it was a
Speaker 1: little fun segue rap Russell Ckroe.
Speaker 2: He's still alive. But is his career? I don't know. No,
Speaker 2: it's fine, it's fine, it's fine.
Speaker 1: I once bumped into Russell crow at a premiere and
Speaker 1: because of whoy we're standing our faces smashed together and
Speaker 1: our noses touched, and that's beautiful. And he looked angry
Speaker 1: at me, but he looked angrier at all the people
Speaker 1: around us who were there to support his movie. So okay,
Speaker 1: just an angry man.
Speaker 2: So it starts off with Paul feeding some chickens, right,
Speaker 2: He's like in his beautiful country home with his beautiful wife,
Speaker 2: his hot hot were the most good looking people in
Speaker 2: all of the land, probably in that entire century. Everyone
Speaker 2: who looks at them, just can't stop staring because you
Speaker 2: know what, they've got vineers, they've got great they've got
Speaker 2: great skin, they're muscly, they're.
Speaker 1: They're both warriors too, two sexy warriors who fell in
Speaker 1: love and got married.
Speaker 2: I don't have a single nick on them until we'll
Speaker 2: get there. We'll get to the next But they're living
Speaker 2: in this place called Numidia. It's a place around Rome,
Speaker 2: and it's during the time where the Romans wanted to
Speaker 2: take over every village, town, country city around them because
Speaker 2: they wanted to be the ultimate ultimate city. So I
Speaker 2: think Numidia was the last one that Rome had to
Speaker 2: take over. So Paul's like, got the boys together, we
Speaker 2: got to get ready. We also find out that he's
Speaker 2: somewhat a prominent figure in his hometown army. He gives
Speaker 2: like a lot of speeches. He's like, what we do
Speaker 2: we do together, and we do it to fight for Numidia.
Speaker 2: And everyone's like, fuck yeah. I'd be like pissing myself
Speaker 2: because I'd be so scared. I don't have time to
Speaker 2: listen to this. I'm like, can we all just watch
Speaker 2: what's happening? These ships are coming so fast. They've got
Speaker 2: like I don't know. They probably had some motors back there.
Speaker 2: They were going very fast, really fast. And also like,
Speaker 2: I don't know how they got their aim so good,
Speaker 2: Like with all the bombs and the like catapults, Like
Speaker 2: how could they aim so well when they do the
Speaker 2: training soldiers. Yeah, but they'd had no telescopes. I was
Speaker 2: just very stressful. So when I saw the ships, I
Speaker 2: was like, Ah, this is dumb. You think you can
Speaker 2: fight this massive land of people while you're coming on
Speaker 2: your little rickety boat. And you were wrong. I was
Speaker 2: wrong because you know what, Then I saw Pedro Pascal,
Speaker 2: and I was like, no one's safe here. The minute
Speaker 2: I see Pedro Pascal, he did one of those things
Speaker 2: where like he sees his soldiers fighting and trying to
Speaker 2: get up a ladder and he's like, oh, I have
Speaker 2: to do it myself, and he just like pushes everyone
Speaker 2: away and he's like, I'll get up there. He gets
Speaker 2: up there, he kills some prominent people are my prominent.
Speaker 2: I mean Paul's.
Speaker 1: Wife, Paul's hot wife. That was actually a very sad moment.
Speaker 1: A lot of moments in this movie are very cheesy
Speaker 1: and silly, especially it has to be a lot of
Speaker 1: the deaths because some of them as the movie goes along,
Speaker 1: some of them get a bit comical.
Speaker 2: We'll get to it shucks.
Speaker 1: But Paul Muscal's wife I thought was quite sad because
Speaker 1: they make eye contact.
Speaker 2: Everyone around them is dying.
Speaker 1: And then that arrow just like pierces her heart and
Speaker 1: she looks so shocked, and then she just falls into
Speaker 1: the water. And then they have almost like a dream
Speaker 1: sequence where you see, you know the legend that you
Speaker 1: get when you pass away, you get rowed across the
Speaker 1: river sticks by the ferryman, and that's what Paul was
Speaker 1: seeing as his wife got onto the faeryom was rowed away,
Speaker 1: which means she died.
Speaker 2: Because he got knocked out as well, so he was
Speaker 2: having that dream. And then he wakes up on the
Speaker 2: beach like the soldiers pulled him on to shore, and
Speaker 2: he sees his wife's body floating in the ocean, and
Speaker 2: he goes to run towards her. I don't know how
Speaker 2: he got there so fast, because I thought it was
Speaker 2: a riptid because he was going back and forth. But
Speaker 2: he gets there eventually, and then he does like this
Speaker 2: big sob and.
Speaker 1: Then we I thought it was he can see that
Speaker 1: he wants to bury her, but he knows the soldiers
Speaker 1: are coming to take him, so he does that really
Speaker 1: beautiful thing where he just tries to pull as much
Speaker 1: as the arrow out of her heart and then pushes
Speaker 1: her ount to the ocean because it's obviously He's like,
Speaker 1: I can't do anything, but I don't want my wife's
Speaker 1: body floating with an arrow sticking out of it, So
Speaker 1: all I can do is pull it out and just
Speaker 1: push her, and he keeps the arrow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the arrow is like a little motif of a
Speaker 2: reminder of his wife throughout the entire film. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I was quite much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is an art choosing gladiators, they're usually prisoners
Speaker 4: of war.
Speaker 2: I claim this city for the glory of Rome.
Speaker 4: You have something in you wait, never let it go.
Speaker 4: It will carry you to quatness.
Speaker 2: Okay, So that was like probably the saddest part. Oh
Speaker 2: there was a few sad parts, but that was like
Speaker 2: the big sad one where we're like, oh shit, this
Speaker 2: is real. We then find out that Pedro Pascal is
Speaker 2: the general of the Roman Army. He doesn't seem to
Speaker 2: crash hot about his job. It just seems like something
Speaker 2: he's got to do. He's trying to quite quit pay
Speaker 2: the bills. He's trying to quite quit not conquer any
Speaker 2: more countries, but no one will let him. He did
Speaker 2: something really interesting where when he claims the land, he
Speaker 2: seems so not disinterested but ashamed almost, And that's I
Speaker 2: think where we get the first clear said Pedro Pascal
Speaker 2: might sort of be a different character than what we
Speaker 2: think he is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he set it through the eyes of poor Mescal.
Speaker 1: He is seen to be like this vicious killer, and
Speaker 1: I guess you know, he was leading the army that
Speaker 1: killed his wife and his friends. But what we see
Speaker 1: about acacious Pedro Pascal's character is that he is a
Speaker 1: soldier and a general who thrives off defending Rome and defending.
Speaker 2: They have the best character development in the entire film. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he really because you see him in this impossible situation.
Speaker 2: And then now he's because no one's actually attacking Rome
Speaker 2: because they hold all the armies in land and all
Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. Now, the two emperors geta played
Speaker 2: by Joseph Quinn and Emperor karro Kella played by a
Speaker 2: good friend Fred, basically just thirsty for more power and
Speaker 2: more land. A young men who don't know anything different.
Speaker 2: They've had everything handed to them on a silver pladdle, literally,
Speaker 2: and now they're only getting their only form of entertainment
Speaker 2: because they don't have TVs back there. They'd hate the spill.
Speaker 2: They'd have no idea what we're talking about. Yeah, the
Speaker 2: only form of entertainment they have is to watch men
Speaker 2: kill each other, and they are thriving off.
Speaker 1: It and sending a Casius out to all these different
Speaker 1: places to conquer, where he's like, I just want to
Speaker 1: be at home with my wife. Let's talk about the
Speaker 1: Empress for a second, because they were very well done
Speaker 1: and as.
Speaker 2: Scary they were because they.
Speaker 1: Have that thing, like we were saying when we did
Speaker 1: our little review of this on a previous episode, is
Speaker 1: that they have that thing is that they're entertaining to watch.
Speaker 1: But they're also like I have like a deep hatred
Speaker 1: for them, and I think that's very hard because to
Speaker 1: hate a character, you also have to see them as
Speaker 1: like fully formed people. And I really could just see
Speaker 1: these two spoiled, awful men who were just being brought
Speaker 1: up with immense power and privilege, no idea what to
Speaker 1: do with it, and instead they weren't even that power hungry.
Speaker 1: They were to extent, but they actually cared more about
Speaker 1: entertainment and being really sadistic.
Speaker 2: And they wanted people to take them seriously. It reminded
Speaker 2: me so much of Jeoffrey and Game of Throne had
Speaker 2: that same character one hundred percent. And I think we
Speaker 2: talked about in the last episode in such a dangerous
Speaker 2: villain because they don't kill out of hatred, they kill
Speaker 2: out of joy. Yeah, one hundred percent. They're just completely unhinged,
Speaker 2: like no one is safe, Like anytime they feel like
Speaker 2: someone's betrayed them, or they think someone's making fun of them,
Speaker 2: or they think someone's on their side, just immediately killed.
Speaker 1: So Ridley Scott described the characters as damaged goods from birth,
Speaker 1: and this is the wildest thing I've ever heard. So
Speaker 1: Apparently Joseph Quinn, who plays guitar, said that he was
Speaker 1: being really careful not to soil Joaquin Phoenix's performance in
Speaker 1: the original movie, who was the villain, and so he
Speaker 1: didn't look to him. Instead, he took inspiration from Philip
Speaker 1: Simoor Hoffman's villain in Mission Impossible three one of your favors,
Speaker 1: I'm sure, and also Gary Oldman's character from the Fifth Element.
Speaker 1: But Ridley Scott has said that the two evil Emperors
Speaker 1: are actually based well, one of their inspirations, I feel like.
Speaker 2: You're gonna drop a troop bomb right now, are based
Speaker 2: on the cartoon Beavis and butt Head. No you can't
Speaker 2: take me, but you cannot take my bumbhole. I am
Speaker 2: the Great Corn And once you hear it, oh my god,
Speaker 2: you can't unsee it. He watched Bea.
Speaker 1: So it ran from nineteen ninety three to twenty eleven,
Speaker 1: like it went for so long, and it was basically
Speaker 1: about these like really dumb teenagers and all the crazy,
Speaker 1: ridiculous antiques.
Speaker 2: They get, but you love them.
Speaker 1: It was like the epitome of like dumb humor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god, and how they each other up and everything. Literally,
Speaker 1: this whole epic dramatic story is based on Beavis and
Speaker 1: butt Head.
Speaker 2: And it was, yeah, their whole thing, and they're like obsession,
Speaker 2: Like I think my favorite scene in the whole movie
Speaker 2: was them calling in Paul to watch him fight. Yes,
Speaker 2: So what we just skipped over was like all the
Speaker 2: strong men from Pedro Pascal from the place that he
Speaker 2: just kind of violently murdered all the survivors and the
Speaker 2: strong men were taken prisoner back to Rome to be
Speaker 2: sold as gladiators. The person who controls the gladiators and
Speaker 2: owns them as Denzel Washington, very sexy men. Yes, everyone
Speaker 2: is really sexy in this movie and have great tea.
Speaker 1: Even there being evil, campy, ridiculous, Like Denzel Washington was like,
Speaker 1: it's so funny because everyone feels a bit like they're
Speaker 1: in a different movie, but it all kind of works,
Speaker 1: so it actually.
Speaker 2: It feels like they're in a different movie because they
Speaker 2: all kept their accents. Yeah, everyone kept their own accents.
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, we're all in Rome, but we all apparently
Speaker 1: grew up in different places and we will not address it.
Speaker 1: Paul Mescale feels like he's in a limited drama series.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's going on? And I do well.
Speaker 1: Apparently Ridley Scott cast him after he watched Normal People
Speaker 1: because he was looking for a comfort show. I love
Speaker 1: that Ridley Scott watched that show before you did. He's
Speaker 1: like became a Normal People fan before you because you.
Speaker 2: Haven't called Normal People a comfort show.
Speaker 1: Deeply.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, oh my god, Ridley, please, I
Speaker 2: can give you much better. You're clearly not on something.
Speaker 2: You're a woman struggling Forella.
Speaker 1: And he was like, oh, that man's interesting. There was
Speaker 1: many people up for the role. One of them was
Speaker 1: Austin Butler, and I'm just glad that didn't happen because
Speaker 1: he's such a method actor. He would have tried to
Speaker 1: like fight actual gladiators and he would be killed.
Speaker 2: Find him in the zoo just trying to slay.
Speaker 1: All the other monkeys have like taken him out because like,
Speaker 1: I think you could take Austin Butler.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it can't be a method actor. I'm glad it
Speaker 2: was Paul. Also, we forget that they filmed this really
Speaker 2: early on, yeah, because I forgot that, like he did
Speaker 2: all of the other stuff that's come out, like after
Speaker 2: some and things like after Gladiator. Yeah. And it's crazy
Speaker 2: how he probably filmed all of this with like no
Speaker 2: press because straight after normal people. It was during COVID,
Speaker 2: so no one really knew him. He had time to
Speaker 2: put his Instagram on private, he did all of this stuff.
Speaker 2: He only has like two hundred thousand followers, and then
Speaker 2: like imagine making a movie where no one really cares
Speaker 2: about and then suddenly everyone suddenly cares and the premiere
Speaker 2: is just ten times bigger than I don't imagine.
Speaker 1: It's the sequel too, of the biggest movies in the world.
Speaker 1: It's funny because Ridley it's like, oh yeah, I jumped
Speaker 1: on the zoom with Paul and gave him the role
Speaker 1: after he saw him with normal people. And I'm just
Speaker 1: imagine how that conversation went. Is like Ridley Scott saying, so,
Speaker 1: do you want to be in Gladiator too? And Paul
Speaker 1: going yeah, all right then and look it worked out.
Speaker 1: And then Pedro Pascal, I think he's in Gladiator. He's
Speaker 1: in the Gladiator that the film. Pascal's like, shut up,
Speaker 1: I'm the Gladiator. He's in the movie that the Gladiator
Speaker 1: team want us think we're seeing, which is a very
Speaker 1: pristie drama, but very you know, based on history and
Speaker 1: character development all those things. And then Denzel Washington isn't
Speaker 1: a Ryan Murphy TV show camp, crazy over the top,
Speaker 1: having the time of his life playing a villain, And
Speaker 1: somehow all these men it just works.
Speaker 2: It just works, and somehow Denzel Washington is still best.
Speaker 2: Probably he's probably like now taking as a joke and
Speaker 2: is trying like maybe I'll just try to like chill,
Speaker 2: chill with this one. You're still Denzel watching.
Speaker 1: There's such an opulent like kind of flair to his
Speaker 1: character Macretus, we should say, although we just call him
Speaker 1: Denzel as he goes through, because you can see.
Speaker 2: That he plays like a queer icon.
Speaker 1: He's plotting, and he's dangerous, and he's moving all the
Speaker 1: pieces around, and.
Speaker 2: He's the one who he thought was safe and then
Speaker 2: we realize he's not safe and he's actually insane.
Speaker 1: And he'll shake your hand, pour your drink, and then
Speaker 1: kill you. That kind of a villain because so many times,
Speaker 1: just before he takes someone out does something, he's so
Speaker 1: soothing and he's so calm, and he'll give you a
Speaker 1: kiss on the cheek and he patting your head and
Speaker 1: next mente he'll stab you through the heart or have
Speaker 1: your brother slit your throat, or turn you out of
Speaker 1: your home, like there's no stopping there.
Speaker 2: So true. And also because Denzel Washington plays such like wholesome,
Speaker 2: like the good guy, like he's the main good but
Speaker 2: he's got a lot of villains. Over he had a
Speaker 2: lot of villains, but he's always like the guy that
Speaker 2: everyone just wants to be. Like. He's a good action hero.
Speaker 2: He's so good.
Speaker 1: He's a good, quiet dramatic actor, which is why it's
Speaker 1: interesting that he chose to like he's one of those
Speaker 1: actors where he can just like be very like very
Speaker 1: still in a scene, but he can still carry the
Speaker 1: drama of it, and you see the camera just like
Speaker 1: finds him wherever he is. He doesn't amag saying he
Speaker 1: makes everyone lean. Then yeah, he makes everyone leaning to him.
Speaker 1: I just imagine I've got to yell for everything. Imagine
Speaker 1: people leading. But in this you didn't just see. He
Speaker 1: came in and he was like, I can see other
Speaker 1: people around me maybe going smaller and quieter, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go big and I'm gonna stay big for the
Speaker 1: whole movie.
Speaker 2: He comes across firstly as someone you feel like you
Speaker 2: can trust, Like he almost is like a mentor to Lucius,
Speaker 2: to like Paul mescal where he wants Paul to be
Speaker 2: like his best fighter. Yeah, and he's like, what do
Speaker 2: you want? And Paul's like the entire and then dells
Speaker 2: and Washington's like too much, But then he does it.
Speaker 2: He gives it, and he's like, here's your army. I've
Speaker 2: done my job. What are you going to do for
Speaker 2: me now?
Speaker 1: And then he's like I want the head of General Acacius.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, and then Paul had to go and
Speaker 2: be like, actually, this is not what I want. It's like, well,
Speaker 2: too late, So.
Speaker 1: I've drawn you away from your favorite part of the movie,
Speaker 1: which I have to circle back to. So that's that's
Speaker 1: where all our players sit at this part. And then
Speaker 1: they have the first task where they have to even
Speaker 1: just see if all these slaves who they've brought in,
Speaker 1: who was going to be strong enough to even be
Speaker 1: up for auction as a gladiator. And that's where some
Speaker 1: creatures come in.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Okay, so I got really confused in
Speaker 2: this scene because the first gladiator scene where the gladiators
Speaker 2: are fighting, you think they're going to fight each other,
Speaker 2: but then like there's herd of monkeys just come out
Speaker 2: of nowhere ready to attack them. And I was looking
Speaker 2: at these monkeys and I was like, my monkeys like
Speaker 2: this back then, what do you mean? They were like
Speaker 2: they were insane monkeys. They were like dinosaur monkeys.
Speaker 1: They I'm not completely that surely is not what they
Speaker 1: look like back then. I mean, potentially, I don't know
Speaker 1: how much monkeys have changed over time. I guess they have,
Speaker 1: Like the thing is where would they have gotten shots?
Speaker 1: So I'm jumping her head, I'm jumping ahead.
Speaker 2: Going back to the monkeys. So it's hard because they
Speaker 2: they were smart monkeys as well. Yeah, like they knew
Speaker 2: they kill a man, and they knew they had to
Speaker 2: kill a man in the first place. If I was
Speaker 2: just a monkey there, I'd be like, oh what am
Speaker 2: I doing? How have they thought? The monkeys from fighting
Speaker 2: each other?
Speaker 1: Because each month an individual fighter I had a game.
Speaker 2: They were sitting with Denzel Washington and are watching it
Speaker 2: was giving them a fight.
Speaker 1: They were weirdly like CGI monkeys, but in a weird way,
Speaker 1: like could that have been real? Apparently they actually did.
Speaker 1: Used to put many different animals in those arenas. Soles
Speaker 1: exist back.
Speaker 2: Like, yes, Emily monkeys, he been around for a long time.
Speaker 2: But those kind of monkeys were crazy. The CGI monkeys,
Speaker 2: I think they knew they looked insane. They look like
Speaker 2: monkeys from like Planet of the Apes, if Planet of
Speaker 2: a took place in like.
Speaker 1: Twenty thirty four. Yeah, they was an alien element to
Speaker 1: the monkeys.
Speaker 2: You're right.
Speaker 1: And even though they were throwing those darts at them
Speaker 1: through the different cracks in the coliseum to make them angrier.
Speaker 1: They still I guess we're very targeted. But then also
Speaker 1: poor Mescal has a very kind of throw down moment
Speaker 1: with the monkey that he's fighting.
Speaker 2: He first tried to protect his friend, who tragically died. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he just but he was ready to die. He was like,
Speaker 2: it's my time. And then yeah, poor Mescal, I don't know,
Speaker 2: pulled out some chain.
Speaker 1: You're forgetting the moment where he bit the monkey's arm
Speaker 1: and the monkeys screamed that was.
Speaker 2: I And they didn't have raby shots back then, so
Speaker 2: that was a gambling itself.
Speaker 1: I just remember going, ew what, I'm like, it's literally
Speaker 1: germs the least off his problem is. But imagine putting
Speaker 1: your mouth on a monkey. I was like Poorman Scale,
Speaker 1: I would never And.
Speaker 2: The monkey then like kind of respected him for a
Speaker 2: little bit, Like there was a hot second with a
Speaker 2: monkey looked at him and he was like, I cannot
Speaker 2: believe he just did that to me. But honestly, reprospect,
Speaker 2: he's like, he fights sturdy and I'm loving it. Somewhere
Speaker 2: in the universe there is an old script where poor
Speaker 2: Mescal and the monkey form an alliance and then we
Speaker 2: have Planet of the Apes. This is actually the prequel
Speaker 2: prequel series, the Apes.
Speaker 1: Even though they've made lots of those, no one talks
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: No one's going to talk about it except us, okay.
Speaker 2: And then they had a few more animals, so there
Speaker 2: were a lot of fight scenes, all like one step
Speaker 2: bigger than the last ones. We had monkeys. Then we
Speaker 2: had the rhinos scene.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which iize, I do believe they had back then
Speaker 1: in the cool fights.
Speaker 2: And we talked about how it's okay to use a
Speaker 2: rhino because back then they weren't extinct and they didn't
Speaker 2: know what's going to happen to rhinos now in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four, So they were like, it's fine to use
Speaker 2: I own you.
Speaker 4: Now, but whose head could I give you to satisfy
Speaker 4: your fury?
Speaker 2: The General will do.
Speaker 4: Rome has taken everything from me, but I will have
Speaker 4: my vengeance.
Speaker 2: It's clinic of meeting for you in the next life.
Speaker 2: I don't know why you are so really freed in
Speaker 2: this one. It will clear my path to the throng.
Speaker 2: You will be my instrument.
Speaker 4: I will never be your instrument in this life for
Speaker 4: the next.
Speaker 1: We then had the ship scene. Yes, And now this
Speaker 1: brings me to my favorite part. Of my notes I've
Speaker 1: made under a subheading called Ridley Scott and the Sharks
Speaker 1: the Internet. No, so, really, Scott does not like when
Speaker 1: people question his movies in any way. He particularly doesn't
Speaker 1: like when people question the historical accuracy of his movies.
Speaker 2: He's protective of his art. So when he released Napoleon,
Speaker 2: remember did Napoleon movie? It kind of didn't didn't really
Speaker 2: take off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, with Yking and Phoenix, there was a scene that
Speaker 1: turned out to be quite controversial movie. He does love
Speaker 1: a water scene. He also loves a cannon scene. So
Speaker 1: in the scene he has Napoleon fire cannons at the Pyramids,
Speaker 1: and people got very upset about it and saying it
Speaker 1: wasn't historically accurate. How dare you he wouldn't have done that.
Speaker 1: They didn't have those type of cannons back then. Like,
Speaker 1: people got very intense.
Speaker 2: Anything Napoleon beckted the Pyramids.
Speaker 1: That was like, did Poline actually do that? You're like
Speaker 1: tarnishing his name? And then really Scott didn't into the
Speaker 1: times and they asked him like big backlash to the
Speaker 1: cannon scene, do you want to speak on that? And
Speaker 1: he said, excuse me, mate, were you there? No, we'll
Speaker 1: shut the fuck up. And anytime anyone has asked me
Speaker 1: about the cannons, he's like, were you fucking there?
Speaker 2: Were you fucking there?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: And look he makes it because you know what, we
Speaker 1: weren't there, and also neither were you. But he's just
Speaker 1: saying we should all like leaves making scenes. No, unless
Speaker 1: you're making your alternative cannon scene, leave them alone. So
Speaker 1: they see in the movie they flood the Colosseum with
Speaker 1: water and they have two different ships coming.
Speaker 2: So I thought the water would just sink through the ground.
Speaker 1: Well apparently they actually did that. Yes, I went, Brad,
Speaker 1: I went to the Colisseum this year, that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And as I walked around, I was trying to just
Speaker 1: listen to the history from the guy because it was
Speaker 1: amazing and.
Speaker 2: I was just going through a drought.
Speaker 1: As I was doing the tour of the Colosseum in Rome,
Speaker 1: I was trying to listen to the guide. I was
Speaker 1: also trying to look for the cat that was there
Speaker 1: that apparently it like attacks people, but if you scratch
Speaker 1: it's tummy, it rolls over. So that was really taking
Speaker 1: up a lot of my time. But I also I
Speaker 1: was thinking about poor mescal and Pedro Pascal because I
Speaker 1: knew this movie was coming out and so I was
Speaker 1: trying to store all the thoughts in my mind. And
Speaker 1: the guy was saying that they did used to fill
Speaker 1: the Colisseum with water. They did used to bring boats in,
Speaker 1: and they did used to have a gladiators with different
Speaker 1: people fight like a stage naval battle, either constructed in
Speaker 1: a body of water, natural or man made, or in
Speaker 1: a building. And so there is some evidence that they
Speaker 1: did fill the Colosseum.
Speaker 2: That's pretty cool, I mean tragic, but cool. I don't
Speaker 2: want to see one be killed for fun.
Speaker 1: But apparently when this movie came out, because as we
Speaker 1: were watching, even though I had that in my head
Speaker 1: that they had filled the Colosseum with water, as we
Speaker 1: were watching this scene in Gladiator too, I was like, guys,
Speaker 1: you've literally jumped the shark. And not just because there
Speaker 1: are sharks on screen, but like it just seems so
Speaker 1: silly of the way they were doing it, with like
Speaker 1: the sharks swirling around them, and then the boats were
Speaker 1: on fire, and then different like gladiators kept getting knocked
Speaker 1: off the boat, and then the sharks were like viciously
Speaker 1: like them. Yeah, which we know unless they were like
Speaker 1: I don't know, but like that's not sharks. It's not
Speaker 1: real shark behavior. I don't get the sharks in there.
Speaker 1: How did they find so many sharks?
Speaker 2: Y're all like big size sharks family, so many sharks.
Speaker 2: Where were the baby sharks? I guess they have the
Speaker 2: sharks before putting them, maybe because maybe that's why they
Speaker 2: ate the men so quickly. The sharks eat themselves.
Speaker 1: Because like sharks don't just see any kind of human
Speaker 1: being and being like I'm just going to instantly, like
Speaker 1: revenolessly attack that person.
Speaker 2: Like there's different sharks like eating people. I was listening
Speaker 2: to an episode of The Quickie and they had a
Speaker 2: shark and they asked him where their sharks in the
Speaker 2: callers there. No, They asked him like about like shark
Speaker 2: attacks on people, and they said that shark attacks happen
Speaker 2: out of accident, not because the shark wants to eat
Speaker 2: the person. Apparently, people for sharks kind of like how
Speaker 2: we smell perfume, Like it smells good, so they kind
Speaker 2: of taste it and they're like, no, but I can't
Speaker 2: actually eat that stuff for me, so doesn't make sense
Speaker 2: to me. Well really Scott would beg to differ because
Speaker 2: I would not tell Scott if you're listening, sharks, I
Speaker 2: love to see ga sharks. I think it's completely believable.
Speaker 1: Well, during the press too, someone did ask him from
Speaker 1: Collider and they said the sharks weren't there in real life,
Speaker 1: and Ridley Scott said, you're dead wrong. The Colosseum did
Speaker 1: flood with water and there were sea battles. Dude, if
Speaker 1: you can build a colosseum, you can flood it with
Speaker 1: fucking water, are you kidding? And to get a couple
Speaker 1: of sharks in a net from the sea, are you kidding?
Speaker 1: Of course they can, Yeah, you're idiot. I love.
Speaker 2: How we just had a conversation about how to get
Speaker 2: the sharks in and he's just like, what do you
Speaker 2: mean they got a net? No further question.
Speaker 1: So Ridley Scott says it's historically accurate, So we're gonna
Speaker 1: say it's historically accurate, even though it was very funny
Speaker 1: to watch.
Speaker 2: So I also want to talk about Colie Nielsen's role,
Speaker 2: the role that she reprised Lucilla, who played Maximus's lover
Speaker 2: and then Paul Mescal's mum in this new movie. I mean,
Speaker 2: what a woman. I found her role quite interesting. It
Speaker 2: feels like her role was the one that kind of
Speaker 2: pieced everything together because she had like a few dramatic scenes,
Speaker 2: but it also felt weirdly rushed, Like I felt like
Speaker 2: her scenes in particular were very rushed, especially between the
Speaker 2: second and third act. Then it's just very confusing because
Speaker 2: if you took out all the fighting and all the
Speaker 2: like bleeding and the staring and the politics and stuff,
Speaker 2: and you just focused on, like the heartfelt storyline between
Speaker 2: Paul finding out who he really is and like his
Speaker 2: mom and his dad and mourning his wife, it feels
Speaker 2: quite disjointed. So the part where she goes visits him
Speaker 2: for the first time and kind of he figures out
Speaker 2: while she's there that he is her son, like she
Speaker 2: is his birth mother. He yells at her, He's.
Speaker 1: Like, well, of course, because he feels like, just to
Speaker 1: defend Paul mescal for a moment, he feels like he
Speaker 1: was sent away and then forgotten about. And he's looking
Speaker 1: at this woman and you can kind of feel like
Speaker 1: he knew straightaway that was his mum, but he was
Speaker 1: kind of repressing it. And then he's looking at this
Speaker 1: woman who he sees living this life of luxury with
Speaker 1: the people that killed his wife, and he's pretty much like,
Speaker 1: you forgot about me and you left me out there
Speaker 1: to die, and now I want nothing to do with you.
Speaker 1: And I understand marry the general.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he killed my wife. Yeah, it's actually quite a
Speaker 2: good setup. It's good. And he yells, he's like, get
Speaker 2: out of my room. And then she tries to say something.
Speaker 2: He's like, gout and then they don't talk again. And
Speaker 2: then the next time they talk, I'm like, oh, no,
Speaker 2: he's going to yell at her again. He's gonna yell.
Speaker 2: They haven't talked since that first yelling situation. Immediately forgive him.
Speaker 2: He's like, Okay, well he's got a lot going on.
Speaker 2: He's trying to save Rome. He's like, oh, he's trying
Speaker 2: to enemy. Get out of my room. So she like
Speaker 2: they suddenly make up randomly, and she gives him Maximus's
Speaker 2: ring that she's been wearing, and he was like, I
Speaker 2: will wear this ring next to my wife's ring.
Speaker 1: That's actually meant to be a really beautiful moment. And
Speaker 1: I just feel like you haven't taken it in here.
Speaker 1: It's so every time I see you recently, you'll just
Speaker 1: say that randomly, Oh.
Speaker 2: This ring next to my wife's. He's trying to be
Speaker 2: nice about it. Thank you, mom, I forgive you to
Speaker 2: give you mom.
Speaker 1: Because because Paul Beskil doesn't have a lot of lines,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a lot.
Speaker 2: I think that's a except for that one poem yes,
Speaker 2: which is like the one line that he says that
Speaker 2: everyone remembers.
Speaker 1: That's a creative choice and it does kind of work.
Speaker 1: He's meant to be, you know, he's always watching and
Speaker 1: reacting and when they ask him to speak, he's like
Speaker 1: he's like no, they're like speaking English. He's like yeah,
Speaker 1: sure whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have a lot of dialogue in the film,
Speaker 1: but I think that kind of works to his character.
Speaker 1: It does a lot of breathing and a lot of
Speaker 1: brooding and a lot of just like what strength.
Speaker 2: And on ah and then everyone's like yeah, I guess
Speaker 2: sure what he said with both of those.
Speaker 1: But a lot of it is just like close ups
Speaker 1: of his face and his body, like reacting to things
Speaker 1: and taking things in. And I think that's interesting choice,
Speaker 1: Like you can convey a lot without dialogue. Sometimes in
Speaker 1: these movies they can be too much dialogue. If you
Speaker 1: get into historical drama, and there's a lot of exposition,
Speaker 1: a lot of explaining, a lot of men walking around
Speaker 1: and brooding.
Speaker 2: Is he educated because they like so. You see a
Speaker 2: scene where like he's a young boy and then they
Speaker 2: come to find him and then he gets sent away
Speaker 2: by himself on a horse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the different community, but he still was like
Speaker 1: educated while he was like living in Rome with his family.
Speaker 1: He does speak well, Okay, weird thing for us to
Speaker 1: be debating, but I think that's maybe just how they've
Speaker 1: kind of done his character. It's interesting because with Gladiator too,
Speaker 1: like I just think like if it wasn't done properly,
Speaker 1: it just would have been the most boring movie. And
Speaker 1: I think the original scripts around it very much center
Speaker 1: on like the politics and the internal power struggles. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, when I went to this movie, I'm like,
Speaker 1: if this is going to be a bunch of white
Speaker 1: men standing around in rooms monologuing about their importance, I'm
Speaker 1: out of here. I've had a long day, there's a
Speaker 1: long line to get in here.
Speaker 2: I'm out.
Speaker 1: But the movie caters to I think what people want
Speaker 1: from a movie in terms of like action packed, a
Speaker 1: very fast, fast paced and the stakes are very It's
Speaker 1: kind of like the stakes are out there of like
Speaker 1: this is a really bad guy and this is the
Speaker 1: good guy, and that's it. Everyone's stay in their lane.
Speaker 1: But it kind of does work because it's a it's
Speaker 1: a cadence of storyline that we really recognize.
Speaker 2: The characters are still developing in their lane to an extent.
Speaker 2: It's almost like if you had taken out to the
Speaker 2: Vicious Killing. This is a kid's movie about an orphan.
Speaker 2: This is Disney movie about an orphan taken away from
Speaker 2: his parents, coming back and fighting the bad guys and
Speaker 2: saving everyone, Like if he took out the killer monkeys
Speaker 2: and the killer sharks and the static and the sadistic
Speaker 2: emperors and the fact that one of them is dying
Speaker 2: from syphilis.
Speaker 1: This is a kid's movie. It's very good versus bad,
Speaker 1: but adults need that sometimes too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just such a good watch. Like I definitely,
Speaker 2: as you said, wouldn't watch it because I do feel
Speaker 2: like Gladiator one was more of a drama, like there
Speaker 2: was so much it was more intense in that way
Speaker 2: where the plot line felt like there was so much
Speaker 2: at stake, whereas like with Gladiator two, because it's kind
Speaker 2: of like the same storyline as Gladiator one. You kind
Speaker 2: of know what's at steak already, so you can just
Speaker 2: like enjoy.
Speaker 1: It just feels like more like an action, popcorn summer
Speaker 1: kind of movie. Okay, do you want to get into ending,
Speaker 1: which is actually quite sad because you think a lot
Speaker 1: of people are gonna you think like they're gonna do this.
Speaker 1: They go into you know, get out of here, and
Speaker 1: then death after death after death.
Speaker 2: I got quite confused. What were you confused by? I
Speaker 2: was confused right at the end when he was giving
Speaker 2: that speech and there were thousands of people, and I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I hope the guys at the back
Speaker 2: can hear him and they don't just start killing people
Speaker 2: because there's no way they can hear him. They're so
Speaker 2: far bad, Like how do they all know that we're
Speaker 2: not fighting? Like, I don't think that message has been
Speaker 2: passed on accurately.
Speaker 1: Okay, So in armies they have like systems in back
Speaker 1: in the olden days, and they have like walkie talkers
Speaker 1: or you think of how to like pass that along,
Speaker 1: like you have a person who's in charge of like
Speaker 1: each section.
Speaker 2: Pass it on, pass it on. Stop you're feeling you're
Speaker 2: getting a message going kill and you're like, wait, kill,
Speaker 2: just because one guy forgot to say stop killing. Okay.
Speaker 1: But before that, we have Denzel Washington rising to the
Speaker 1: power of emperor because.
Speaker 2: Quickly he tricks Overnight.
Speaker 1: That was an intense scene. How he tricks the brothers,
Speaker 1: He tricks the little Emperor. This is how we can describe.
Speaker 1: He tricks the little Emperor, whose brain is at all
Speaker 1: by syphilis, which is very sad for him, tricks him
Speaker 1: into killing his brother because Denzel's thinking like the younger one,
Speaker 1: the little one is easier to control out of these
Speaker 1: two crazy emperors. And then Denzel wrangles it so that
Speaker 1: the little Emperor, who's the one who's ruling now I guess,
Speaker 1: names his monkey first, which everyone was a bit stressed about,
Speaker 1: which is fair enough, it was there for long, and
Speaker 1: then named Denzel. And then when Denzel stabbed him through
Speaker 1: the ear him yeah, that's a bad way to go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't want to go that way, leaving him to
Speaker 1: be in power. But then they're having the big three
Speaker 1: down fight, and then we have the death of Acacius,
Speaker 1: which I actually thought was really sad, but I thought
Speaker 1: that it was very satisfying to have that big throwdown
Speaker 1: fight between Pedro and Paul, because the whole movie had
Speaker 1: been building to that, and see Pedro trying to say, acacius,
Speaker 1: I need to call them the character names, being like no,
Speaker 1: like we're fighting for the same thing, and being like,
Speaker 1: I won't kill you. And then I think the big
Speaker 1: emotional turning point for Paul Mescal was him also putting
Speaker 1: down his sword because the only thing I'd been getting
Speaker 1: up in the morning and getting him through this was
Speaker 1: killing that man, this man who was in front of him,
Speaker 1: and then he had to make the choice to put
Speaker 1: his sword down.
Speaker 2: And then but they killed him anyway, and then Paul went,
Speaker 2: look what you do. Do you like this? You're the
Speaker 2: killing of your general. I'm like, all right, I feel
Speaker 2: like Paul's in the room, that's right.
Speaker 1: I think they were trying because one of the most
Speaker 1: infamous scenes from the original Gladiator, and the one that
Speaker 1: people still repeat to this day, is are you not entertained?
Speaker 1: And so I think they were trying to make that happen.
Speaker 1: But which she said that how good would that be?
Speaker 1: Might have been two on the note he was understanding ovation.
Speaker 1: But you know what I thought was the real kind
Speaker 1: of just the one of the ugly kills is when
Speaker 1: Lucilla Connie Nielsen, his character is tied out on the
Speaker 1: thing in the.
Speaker 2: Middle, like she was the last living person for him. Yes,
Speaker 2: like the last person who like probably had love for him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he lost his wife, he lost all of his friends,
Speaker 1: he lost his mentor, and that was like just when
Speaker 1: he got to Rome, and then.
Speaker 2: He was losing after me. The credits is still it's love.
Speaker 1: It's peoful opening scene. And then he's lost a lot
Speaker 1: of people that he'd made friends with since he got there.
Speaker 1: He's lost Acacius, who was like a new friend, Danizel
Speaker 1: he thought he was going to be there, trained betrayed,
Speaker 1: and then he's only got Connie Nilsen left. And the
Speaker 1: way she dies with Denzel Washington acting, I'm just going
Speaker 1: to say, like a little spoiled brat, like he's losing
Speaker 1: the war and he could just run, he could leave,
Speaker 1: he could find his army.
Speaker 2: He wanted to take everything from Paul mescal and she's like,
Speaker 2: this is not your movie movie, Denzel Washington, and.
Speaker 1: Then Denzel Washington, the man, the actor takes the bowl
Speaker 1: and arrow and shoots her through the heart in the
Speaker 1: same way that Paul Paul Mescal lost his wife in
Speaker 1: the opening scenes the film with an arrow through the heart.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised he's not traumatized by I think he is traumatized,
Speaker 2: is what we see throughout the film.
Speaker 1: And then it's really on I think is a cinematic
Speaker 1: way to describe it in terms of.
Speaker 2: The battle kicking horse chase.
Speaker 1: Yes, but then we have what everyone has been b for,
Speaker 1: which is the epic threw down between Denzel and Paul
Speaker 1: in the river.
Speaker 2: You know what, it reminded me of what Black Panther.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, bit of a and men fighting in water
Speaker 2: is dangerous game because like when there's drowning involved, that
Speaker 2: takes it to a whole new life.
Speaker 1: Stabbing through the water, stabbing you can't see who's moving
Speaker 1: where or who's doing what.
Speaker 2: They would be very intense people just rises. Yes, man,
Speaker 2: he did look like a became victorious, and then he
Speaker 2: had to stand between the Roman army and the other army,
Speaker 2: which I'm getting the other Roman army, the friendly Roman
Speaker 2: army and the other Roman army and say, look, guys,
Speaker 2: it's been a Dan. Well, let's just put the swords down,
Speaker 2: like we're all fighting for the same thing. Sometimes it's men.
Speaker 2: We need to like let out our emotions in a different,
Speaker 2: more healthier way. I feel like, if we just talked
Speaker 2: about it and didn't kill each other, this could be
Speaker 2: a really beautiful friendship. I really want a version of
Speaker 2: the movie where he says that, and then the guys
Speaker 2: at the back are like, what.
Speaker 1: Telling or not someone tell us? And we're killing great
Speaker 1: and then they kill poor Mescal. Unfortunate with that for me,
Speaker 1: goddamn it. And after that you want to have this
Speaker 1: real victorious moment of like, they won, the good guys won,
Speaker 1: but there are no winners in war. A series Animalphs
Speaker 1: taught me that there are no winners in more. It's
Speaker 1: all really ugly. And so then we have these scenes
Speaker 1: of poor Mescal looking absolutely fucking devastated and broken because
Speaker 1: he's staying in that arena and he was like, that's
Speaker 1: where my dad died, that's where my mom died. Still there,
Speaker 1: that's where Acacius died and my wife also dead.
Speaker 2: Pulls out the little arrow and then he does that
Speaker 2: touchy dirt thing that he loves, and yes, because he's remembering,
Speaker 2: he's trying to feel like tied to his father and
Speaker 2: how he died in that moment and how he's standing there.
Speaker 1: And this is because Paul Mescal is a good actor.
Speaker 1: You see in his eyes that his character is thinking,
Speaker 1: I am alive, but I am dead inside. And even
Speaker 1: though everyone is celebrating around me, there is no celebration
Speaker 1: for Paul.
Speaker 2: Mescal until Gladiator three.
Speaker 1: Do you know? They're talking about that, and it's going
Speaker 1: to follow in his next like through this next part
Speaker 1: where he's been given this big power that he doesn't want.
Speaker 2: But you know, them all the emperor now and he's like, no,
Speaker 2: we talked about this, boys, there's no empress.
Speaker 1: And he's like, you're the emperor and they're like, it's
Speaker 1: either you or the monkey because the monkey is officially
Speaker 1: taken in charge, and so one of you is going
Speaker 1: to have to step up. But you know, one of
Speaker 1: the reasons that people really want Gladiator three besides the
Speaker 1: fact that we all really loved Gladiator two and we
Speaker 1: want to see we want to see what other animals
Speaker 1: they can put in them at Colosseum. We want to
Speaker 1: see more death and blood.
Speaker 2: Is it because they want to rub it into Russell
Speaker 2: Crowe more Russell Cross at home. No, He's like, how
Speaker 2: about come back? And it goes now.
Speaker 1: He's like, if you could have bloodthirsty, mechanical sharks and
Speaker 1: alien monkeys, you can have Russell Crowe back.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, my mafussa pitch is pretty good. It's prett good.
Speaker 2: We should send that to them. No, they want to
Speaker 2: see Paul Mescal have a love story. Ah boring. I
Speaker 2: want to see por Maskell kill more men. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: just think give the guy a minute. Wid Yeah. I
Speaker 2: think it's because people just want killing and they want sex.
Speaker 2: They just want normal people what they want.
Speaker 1: Daisy Ridley appears, Daisy, so Daisy egger Jones appears.
Speaker 2: Well, that's why they cast Joseph Quinn because he Quinn's dead.
Speaker 2: So Paul's like, well, who's.
Speaker 1: Gonna be Oh my god, Daisy ed goad Jones can
Speaker 1: appear as the sister of the emperors, and even though
Speaker 1: women can't have power at that time, it's going to
Speaker 1: be her evil husband, who.
Speaker 2: Like Hell's the evil husband and him and Daisy get
Speaker 2: together and then they make normal people too. In Rome,
Speaker 2: it's like Emily in Paris. In Rome, normal people do.
Speaker 1: In Rome, it's all happening anyway, thank you for listening
Speaker 1: to our very unhinged, brutally honest review of Gladiator two.
Speaker 2: Hope you like the movie.
Speaker 1: The movie because we really enjoyed it. We owed you
Speaker 1: all to see it. And yeah, look, any day where
Speaker 1: we're seeing a mustly poor moss girl and his perfect teeth,
Speaker 1: even though historically and accurate, run across the screen, is
Speaker 1: a good day.
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