1 00:00:10,869 --> 00:00:11,189 Speaker 1: So much. 2 00:00:11,229 --> 00:00:13,909 Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 3 00:00:14,829 --> 00:00:18,389 Speaker 3: MoMA Maya acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 4 00:00:18,389 --> 00:00:21,109 Speaker 3: that this podcast is recorded on. Did you love the 5 00:00:21,149 --> 00:00:25,069 Speaker 3: episode we did on Paul Mescal about how he supposedly 6 00:00:25,149 --> 00:00:28,309 Speaker 3: runs away from his one night stance. That wasn't all 7 00:00:28,309 --> 00:00:30,309 Speaker 3: we talked about, but let's be real, it was the 8 00:00:30,309 --> 00:00:32,629 Speaker 3: most absurd part of it. We thought we'd share an 9 00:00:32,629 --> 00:00:36,389 Speaker 3: episode of mum MIA's daily celebrity podcast, This Spill, because 10 00:00:36,429 --> 00:00:39,669 Speaker 3: they did a brutally honest review of Paul's new movie 11 00:00:39,709 --> 00:00:43,109 Speaker 3: Gladiator two. It's not just Paul's movie, of course, there 12 00:00:43,109 --> 00:00:46,029 Speaker 3: are other big names in it too, like Pedro Pascal 13 00:00:46,189 --> 00:00:50,349 Speaker 3: and Denzil Washington, but it is being called Paul Mescal's 14 00:00:50,429 --> 00:00:53,549 Speaker 3: movie by all the young, cool people like us. You're 15 00:00:53,589 --> 00:00:56,109 Speaker 3: about to hear about all the best and worst moments 16 00:00:56,109 --> 00:00:59,069 Speaker 3: from Gladiator too, and also an acknowledgment of Russell Crow's 17 00:00:59,109 --> 00:01:07,069 Speaker 3: hurt feelings for not being included. Enjoy from MoMA Mia. 18 00:01:07,269 --> 00:01:10,509 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm 19 00:01:10,629 --> 00:01:14,709 Speaker 2: m Burnham and I'm Laura Brednick Hand. On today's show, 20 00:01:15,229 --> 00:01:18,869 Speaker 2: get your horses and carriages out because we're diving deep 21 00:01:19,309 --> 00:01:22,989 Speaker 2: back into the BC time. Also AD unclear, it's AD. 22 00:01:23,389 --> 00:01:27,069 Speaker 2: We're going back to the Roman Empire where Paul Mescal 23 00:01:27,709 --> 00:01:31,309 Speaker 2: killed everyone. We are going to be doing much anticipated, 24 00:01:31,749 --> 00:01:34,509 Speaker 2: brutally honest review of Gladiator too. 25 00:01:34,869 --> 00:01:36,389 Speaker 1: Yes, and we can watch us always in there if 26 00:01:36,389 --> 00:01:39,589 Speaker 1: you're not across our brilliant honest reviews, they are where 27 00:01:39,869 --> 00:01:42,069 Speaker 1: we let you the audience know they're coming. So you 28 00:01:42,109 --> 00:01:44,389 Speaker 1: know whichever movie or TV show that we're going to 29 00:01:44,389 --> 00:01:47,989 Speaker 1: be having a passionate debate about, and it's really just 30 00:01:48,029 --> 00:01:50,189 Speaker 1: a space for us to give out honest thoughts, behind 31 00:01:50,229 --> 00:01:54,269 Speaker 1: the scenes stories really go deep into the core of 32 00:01:54,309 --> 00:01:56,549 Speaker 1: this thing that has we have been obsessing over us 33 00:01:56,629 --> 00:01:59,309 Speaker 1: since we saw it. And obviously spoiler alert, we're going 34 00:01:59,349 --> 00:02:01,429 Speaker 1: to be talking about the ending. So we've given you. 35 00:02:01,349 --> 00:02:03,749 Speaker 2: A full week, which we are very kind people, We'll 36 00:02:03,749 --> 00:02:06,389 Speaker 2: give you a week to watch it. But yeah, spoilers. 37 00:02:06,589 --> 00:02:08,749 Speaker 1: Yes, I mean Paul Meskal said he wanted people to 38 00:02:08,789 --> 00:02:11,389 Speaker 1: see this in cinemas and if you've disappointed Paul, I'm 39 00:02:11,389 --> 00:02:12,349 Speaker 1: just gonna say that's on you. 40 00:02:12,349 --> 00:02:13,269 Speaker 2: You disappointed us. 41 00:02:13,589 --> 00:02:17,309 Speaker 1: So Gladiator two with what we're here today to discuss. So, 42 00:02:17,429 --> 00:02:18,989 Speaker 1: first of all, life to ask you a very important question. 43 00:02:19,029 --> 00:02:20,429 Speaker 1: You've seen Gladiator the original? 44 00:02:20,549 --> 00:02:20,669 Speaker 3: Right? 45 00:02:21,069 --> 00:02:25,749 Speaker 2: Yes? But I saw the original after it was announced? Yes, 46 00:02:25,989 --> 00:02:27,349 Speaker 2: but you went did your home or I didn't know 47 00:02:27,389 --> 00:02:29,789 Speaker 2: where you went to the premiere? Many did not bes 48 00:02:29,829 --> 00:02:32,909 Speaker 2: a mess, Russell Crow because. 49 00:02:32,589 --> 00:02:36,389 Speaker 1: As we were sitting in the premiere and Paul Mescale 50 00:02:36,429 --> 00:02:38,309 Speaker 1: had just come out on stage, and it was clapping 51 00:02:38,309 --> 00:02:40,109 Speaker 1: and the lights were about to go down, and that 52 00:02:40,269 --> 00:02:43,069 Speaker 1: is when a number of people around me leaned over 53 00:02:43,149 --> 00:02:44,549 Speaker 1: and whispered, what. 54 00:02:44,469 --> 00:02:47,469 Speaker 2: Is Gladiator the first one about? Right? You can't be 55 00:02:47,509 --> 00:02:49,709 Speaker 2: Australian and not know what Gladiator is. 56 00:02:49,949 --> 00:02:51,709 Speaker 1: Well, just in case some of our listeners are also 57 00:02:51,749 --> 00:02:53,749 Speaker 1: in that boat that they just have no idea where 58 00:02:53,749 --> 00:02:55,709 Speaker 1: the original movie is. No, no, your points did. 59 00:02:55,789 --> 00:02:57,669 Speaker 2: I was in that boat until like a month ago. 60 00:02:57,909 --> 00:03:00,229 Speaker 1: I just thought that everyone was sitting in the cinema 61 00:03:00,349 --> 00:03:02,509 Speaker 1: about to watch this movie. And it's fair enough that 62 00:03:02,549 --> 00:03:04,469 Speaker 1: you hadn't watched the first one if that was your choice, 63 00:03:04,509 --> 00:03:06,429 Speaker 1: and that's the piece you'd made with what over God 64 00:03:06,429 --> 00:03:09,029 Speaker 1: that you subscribed to. However, it's a weird thing to 65 00:03:09,069 --> 00:03:11,949 Speaker 1: start worrying about it as the lights go down. So 66 00:03:12,069 --> 00:03:14,349 Speaker 1: just in case anyone else is in that boat. Gladiator 67 00:03:14,429 --> 00:03:15,869 Speaker 1: came out in the year two thousand. 68 00:03:16,109 --> 00:03:17,549 Speaker 2: You've had twenty four years to watch it. 69 00:03:17,789 --> 00:03:22,109 Speaker 1: Yeah, time is it digging historical epic drama directed by 70 00:03:22,309 --> 00:03:25,909 Speaker 1: Ridley Scott. It was a huge success when it came 71 00:03:25,909 --> 00:03:27,549 Speaker 1: out in the year two thousand. It was actually the 72 00:03:27,629 --> 00:03:31,589 Speaker 1: second highest grossing film of the year. It received almost 73 00:03:31,749 --> 00:03:35,389 Speaker 1: universal critical and fam acclaim. Everyone was basically saying, this 74 00:03:35,509 --> 00:03:37,989 Speaker 1: is the best movie we've ever seen. It also went 75 00:03:38,029 --> 00:03:41,269 Speaker 1: on to win five Academy Awards, including the very coveted 76 00:03:41,309 --> 00:03:44,589 Speaker 1: Best Picture and also Best Actor for young Russell. 77 00:03:44,309 --> 00:03:46,749 Speaker 2: Crowe, Ah, Little Hotty and. 78 00:03:46,749 --> 00:03:49,389 Speaker 1: The most Oscars I believe one of any movie that year. 79 00:03:49,469 --> 00:03:53,029 Speaker 1: So a real clean sweep across the board. So in 80 00:03:53,069 --> 00:03:56,549 Speaker 1: the original movie, Russell Crowe plays a Roman general called 81 00:03:56,709 --> 00:03:58,509 Speaker 1: Maximus who is betrayed. 82 00:03:58,589 --> 00:04:00,949 Speaker 2: I won't get into the backstory. It's you know, it'siler 83 00:04:01,069 --> 00:04:04,789 Speaker 2: last twenty four Yes, spoilers, classic guy staff betrayal, revenge. 84 00:04:04,949 --> 00:04:08,069 Speaker 1: You know man is Megan Man killing other Mega men? Yeah, 85 00:04:08,109 --> 00:04:09,709 Speaker 1: men don't know how to work with their feelings. And 86 00:04:09,709 --> 00:04:12,069 Speaker 1: it said they go on epic quest to you know, 87 00:04:12,149 --> 00:04:17,669 Speaker 1: take down their enemy Barton. So Russell Crowe is you know, 88 00:04:17,909 --> 00:04:20,069 Speaker 1: Russell Crowe, Maximus, they're. 89 00:04:19,789 --> 00:04:21,789 Speaker 2: All very entertain it's Russell and Paul. 90 00:04:22,189 --> 00:04:24,429 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna be calling them Russell and Paul henceforth 91 00:04:24,429 --> 00:04:27,509 Speaker 1: instead of their character names. So Russell Crowe reduced to slavery, 92 00:04:27,709 --> 00:04:30,549 Speaker 1: becomes a gladiator and rises through the ranks of the arena, 93 00:04:31,029 --> 00:04:34,829 Speaker 1: and spoiler Rolert because it's very crucial to Gladiator two, 94 00:04:35,269 --> 00:04:37,709 Speaker 1: he dies at the end, which brings. 95 00:04:37,509 --> 00:04:39,909 Speaker 2: Us to he had a good run? Did I think 96 00:04:39,949 --> 00:04:42,069 Speaker 2: he did? I guess he died trying to like save 97 00:04:42,109 --> 00:04:45,709 Speaker 2: his feet for a purpose, something greater than him as 98 00:04:45,749 --> 00:04:46,269 Speaker 2: a man. 99 00:04:46,309 --> 00:04:48,549 Speaker 1: Any of us can ask for. I meant, I don't 100 00:04:48,549 --> 00:04:49,109 Speaker 1: want that to be me. 101 00:04:49,269 --> 00:04:50,469 Speaker 2: No, I would never die for anyone. 102 00:04:50,509 --> 00:04:52,189 Speaker 1: I wouldn't if anyone wouldn't die for you, wouldn't I 103 00:04:52,349 --> 00:04:53,949 Speaker 1: Kim our producer. I'm just saying that now. 104 00:04:53,989 --> 00:04:57,589 Speaker 2: But speaking of Kim our producer, So you're saying this, 105 00:04:57,589 --> 00:05:00,349 Speaker 2: this is a recap of Gladiator one, because okay, you 106 00:05:00,429 --> 00:05:02,429 Speaker 2: do kind of have to have a sense of Gladiator 107 00:05:02,469 --> 00:05:05,509 Speaker 2: one before you watch Gladiator two. However, I was sitting 108 00:05:05,629 --> 00:05:10,509 Speaker 2: between our video producer Julian and our producer Kim. Both 109 00:05:10,549 --> 00:05:12,869 Speaker 2: have watched Gladiator, both had no idea what was going on. 110 00:05:12,909 --> 00:05:15,469 Speaker 2: The amount of questions I got from these two people 111 00:05:16,069 --> 00:05:16,749 Speaker 2: was insane. 112 00:05:16,949 --> 00:05:20,029 Speaker 1: People asking me questions in the movie quite stresses me 113 00:05:20,069 --> 00:05:21,829 Speaker 1: out because I'm like, please hold questions to the end. 114 00:05:21,829 --> 00:05:24,109 Speaker 2: First of all, no talking during the movie. You're interrupting 115 00:05:24,149 --> 00:05:25,829 Speaker 2: me watching men kill themselves. 116 00:05:25,829 --> 00:05:27,469 Speaker 1: Second of all, I hate it when like, I guess 117 00:05:27,469 --> 00:05:28,909 Speaker 1: this is different, because they could be like, is that 118 00:05:28,909 --> 00:05:31,109 Speaker 1: the guy from the first movie, and you can be like, no, 119 00:05:31,189 --> 00:05:31,629 Speaker 1: shut up. 120 00:05:31,789 --> 00:05:33,469 Speaker 2: But it's more so when I want to see like 121 00:05:33,469 --> 00:05:34,469 Speaker 2: one hundred years old. 122 00:05:34,949 --> 00:05:36,509 Speaker 1: There's so many movies I go to and listen to 123 00:05:36,589 --> 00:05:39,229 Speaker 1: a brand new story, and like a friend or whoever 124 00:05:39,229 --> 00:05:41,589 Speaker 1: I'm with from work will lean over and say, what's 125 00:05:41,589 --> 00:05:44,469 Speaker 1: happening here? I'm like, we have the same information. We're 126 00:05:44,509 --> 00:05:45,589 Speaker 1: watching the same movie. 127 00:05:45,749 --> 00:05:48,989 Speaker 2: My mom does that all like opening credit. Yeah, She'll 128 00:05:48,989 --> 00:05:51,269 Speaker 2: be like, why are we at the beach? I'm like, Mom, 129 00:05:51,309 --> 00:05:53,189 Speaker 2: this is literally the first thing. I don't know why 130 00:05:53,229 --> 00:05:55,389 Speaker 2: they're gonna tell us. Okay, now we put that gripe 131 00:05:55,429 --> 00:05:55,789 Speaker 2: out there. 132 00:05:56,269 --> 00:05:58,709 Speaker 1: We had to get that's just a love letter to 133 00:05:58,749 --> 00:06:00,309 Speaker 1: all of our friends and family not to talk to 134 00:06:00,389 --> 00:06:04,349 Speaker 1: us in the movies. So basically, Gladiator two takes place 135 00:06:04,469 --> 00:06:07,029 Speaker 1: many many years, like well over a decade after Gladiator one. 136 00:06:07,069 --> 00:06:11,109 Speaker 1: And we know this because the son of Maximum Lucius, 137 00:06:11,309 --> 00:06:13,949 Speaker 1: Lucius was a child in the first movie, and now 138 00:06:13,989 --> 00:06:16,789 Speaker 1: he's a grown up, buff, adult man in the form 139 00:06:16,829 --> 00:06:19,309 Speaker 1: of Paul Mescal looking very hot. It must be said 140 00:06:19,309 --> 00:06:21,229 Speaker 1: and will be said many times throughout this podcast. 141 00:06:21,229 --> 00:06:24,309 Speaker 2: So that is the biggest spoiler in the entire film. 142 00:06:24,709 --> 00:06:27,469 Speaker 2: I think people knew that growing in, right, Yeah, I 143 00:06:27,589 --> 00:06:30,309 Speaker 2: knew it, But that's because, like we're Gladiator fans, there 144 00:06:30,309 --> 00:06:32,309 Speaker 2: are some people in the cinema, Kim, who were like, 145 00:06:32,989 --> 00:06:34,229 Speaker 2: what's going on? Who was that? 146 00:06:34,589 --> 00:06:38,829 Speaker 1: So after Maximus was killed, Lucius was like spirited away 147 00:06:38,869 --> 00:06:41,829 Speaker 1: secretly by his mother Lucilla, played by Connie Nielsen, who 148 00:06:41,869 --> 00:06:45,469 Speaker 1: is reprising her role from the first movie as Maximus's lover. 149 00:06:45,749 --> 00:06:48,549 Speaker 2: Can we talk about some low brow rumors for a second. 150 00:06:48,589 --> 00:06:51,269 Speaker 2: Oh sure. I was watching an interview when they were 151 00:06:51,309 --> 00:06:54,629 Speaker 2: doing the press junket with Paul Mescal and Fred Hegenjer, 152 00:06:54,949 --> 00:06:59,349 Speaker 2: and the interviewer asked Paul if Russell Crowe had called 153 00:06:59,429 --> 00:07:02,029 Speaker 2: him and like given him some tips, and Paul straight 154 00:07:02,069 --> 00:07:04,229 Speaker 2: away was like, no, I haven't talked to Russell Crowe, 155 00:07:04,269 --> 00:07:05,669 Speaker 2: Like I haven't talked to him at all, and I 156 00:07:05,709 --> 00:07:09,429 Speaker 2: was like, knowing what we know about Russell Crowe, he's 157 00:07:09,469 --> 00:07:12,309 Speaker 2: an angry man. It has to be said. He would 158 00:07:12,349 --> 00:07:14,589 Speaker 2: agree with that. He would agree with that. I Oh, 159 00:07:15,069 --> 00:07:17,349 Speaker 2: I feel bad for Paul, But you know what, this 160 00:07:17,469 --> 00:07:19,829 Speaker 2: movie was great, and I just wish I just feel 161 00:07:19,869 --> 00:07:22,589 Speaker 2: like if Russell just gave him like a few like tips, 162 00:07:22,709 --> 00:07:25,789 Speaker 2: or like had like a few little cameo roles like 163 00:07:25,829 --> 00:07:28,629 Speaker 2: I think that could have just been like the perfect movie. 164 00:07:28,989 --> 00:07:30,749 Speaker 2: It was a great movie. I think that could have 165 00:07:30,749 --> 00:07:31,389 Speaker 2: made it perfect. 166 00:07:31,749 --> 00:07:33,909 Speaker 1: Can I tell you a rumor that I think an 167 00:07:34,029 --> 00:07:37,749 Speaker 1: unfounded and unfounded accusation it must be said around why 168 00:07:37,829 --> 00:07:41,269 Speaker 1: there might be bad blood between Paul Mescal and Russell Crowe, 169 00:07:41,269 --> 00:07:43,349 Speaker 1: a rumor that we are starting here on this very podcast. 170 00:07:43,349 --> 00:07:44,829 Speaker 1: I mean, the bad blood. This one's been around for 171 00:07:44,829 --> 00:07:46,829 Speaker 1: a while. I mean, when you have a blockbuster movie 172 00:07:46,829 --> 00:07:49,949 Speaker 1: like that, of course everyone starts saying afterwards, after one 173 00:07:49,989 --> 00:07:52,349 Speaker 1: of the oscars have made that much money, sequel, what 174 00:07:52,389 --> 00:07:54,949 Speaker 1: do we do next? And so Ridley Scott and the 175 00:07:54,989 --> 00:07:57,389 Speaker 1: team behind the first Gladiator movie were in talks for 176 00:07:57,429 --> 00:07:59,589 Speaker 1: a long time to try and get a sequel up 177 00:07:59,669 --> 00:08:03,509 Speaker 1: much sooner than twenty years but Russell Crowe well, allegedly 178 00:08:03,629 --> 00:08:07,509 Speaker 1: again massive. Allegedly, Russell Crowe had thought he could probably 179 00:08:07,629 --> 00:08:09,709 Speaker 1: come back because the biggest role of his career at 180 00:08:09,709 --> 00:08:10,109 Speaker 1: this point. 181 00:08:10,189 --> 00:08:12,189 Speaker 2: How did he think he'd come back he died? 182 00:08:12,429 --> 00:08:15,989 Speaker 1: Well, apparently he favored a fantasy element in bringing Maximus 183 00:08:16,069 --> 00:08:19,269 Speaker 1: back to life. But the studio were the ones who 184 00:08:19,269 --> 00:08:22,589 Speaker 1: were like, no, it's not we can't bring you back 185 00:08:22,629 --> 00:08:25,629 Speaker 1: to life in any kind of way. And they were 186 00:08:25,669 --> 00:08:28,389 Speaker 1: the ones who were really pushing on having his son 187 00:08:28,789 --> 00:08:31,269 Speaker 1: take on the main storyline because they were like, that kid, 188 00:08:31,309 --> 00:08:33,549 Speaker 1: what happened to him? Surely he grows up to be 189 00:08:33,629 --> 00:08:35,669 Speaker 1: a little mini Russell Crowe when he cast a hot 190 00:08:35,709 --> 00:08:37,389 Speaker 1: young actor done. 191 00:08:37,229 --> 00:08:39,749 Speaker 2: Something like a faster situation. Do you know where he 192 00:08:39,789 --> 00:08:42,709 Speaker 2: appears in the stars and he's like Lucius looked to 193 00:08:42,829 --> 00:08:47,189 Speaker 2: the sky, I am always with to you and he's like, wait, 194 00:08:47,229 --> 00:08:49,389 Speaker 2: you're my dad. I thought you were just some idol. 195 00:08:49,429 --> 00:08:51,989 Speaker 1: I liked It's funny because they kept having all these 196 00:08:52,029 --> 00:08:55,109 Speaker 1: almost like ghostly moments rut the scene where Maximus aka 197 00:08:55,189 --> 00:08:57,189 Speaker 1: Russell Crowe was meant to be there, like did you 198 00:08:57,189 --> 00:08:59,749 Speaker 1: see how like the wind swept some of the gradd 199 00:09:01,229 --> 00:09:01,989 Speaker 1: They tried. 200 00:09:01,829 --> 00:09:03,909 Speaker 2: So hard to make it look like Russell was there, 201 00:09:03,949 --> 00:09:06,189 Speaker 2: and we knew he wasn't there. Well, that scene right 202 00:09:06,229 --> 00:09:08,989 Speaker 2: at the end where he's like stroking some flowers, like 203 00:09:09,029 --> 00:09:11,749 Speaker 2: a field of flowers, and he was stroking the gravel 204 00:09:11,749 --> 00:09:13,989 Speaker 2: where his father died. My god, I wonder whose hand 205 00:09:14,069 --> 00:09:16,229 Speaker 2: that was. I wonder how much I got paid. 206 00:09:16,309 --> 00:09:19,469 Speaker 1: You know, to be Russell Crowe's hand. So that all happened. Okay, 207 00:09:19,509 --> 00:09:22,309 Speaker 1: back to the original movie. So yeah, it was a 208 00:09:22,349 --> 00:09:24,269 Speaker 1: little fun segue rap Russell Ckroe. 209 00:09:24,269 --> 00:09:28,309 Speaker 2: He's still alive. But is his career? I don't know. No, 210 00:09:28,429 --> 00:09:30,389 Speaker 2: it's fine, it's fine, it's fine. 211 00:09:30,429 --> 00:09:32,349 Speaker 1: I once bumped into Russell crow at a premiere and 212 00:09:32,389 --> 00:09:34,829 Speaker 1: because of whoy we're standing our faces smashed together and 213 00:09:34,869 --> 00:09:37,469 Speaker 1: our noses touched, and that's beautiful. And he looked angry 214 00:09:37,469 --> 00:09:39,069 Speaker 1: at me, but he looked angrier at all the people 215 00:09:39,069 --> 00:09:42,909 Speaker 1: around us who were there to support his movie. So okay, 216 00:09:43,549 --> 00:09:44,309 Speaker 1: just an angry man. 217 00:09:44,509 --> 00:09:47,669 Speaker 2: So it starts off with Paul feeding some chickens, right, 218 00:09:47,869 --> 00:09:51,509 Speaker 2: He's like in his beautiful country home with his beautiful wife, 219 00:09:51,589 --> 00:09:53,989 Speaker 2: his hot hot were the most good looking people in 220 00:09:54,069 --> 00:09:57,629 Speaker 2: all of the land, probably in that entire century. Everyone 221 00:09:57,669 --> 00:09:59,669 Speaker 2: who looks at them, just can't stop staring because you 222 00:09:59,709 --> 00:10:03,069 Speaker 2: know what, they've got vineers, they've got great they've got 223 00:10:03,149 --> 00:10:05,309 Speaker 2: great skin, they're muscly, they're. 224 00:10:05,269 --> 00:10:08,429 Speaker 1: They're both warriors too, two sexy warriors who fell in 225 00:10:08,429 --> 00:10:09,069 Speaker 1: love and got married. 226 00:10:09,109 --> 00:10:11,709 Speaker 2: I don't have a single nick on them until we'll 227 00:10:11,749 --> 00:10:13,709 Speaker 2: get there. We'll get to the next But they're living 228 00:10:13,749 --> 00:10:17,509 Speaker 2: in this place called Numidia. It's a place around Rome, 229 00:10:17,909 --> 00:10:20,429 Speaker 2: and it's during the time where the Romans wanted to 230 00:10:20,429 --> 00:10:25,029 Speaker 2: take over every village, town, country city around them because 231 00:10:25,029 --> 00:10:28,749 Speaker 2: they wanted to be the ultimate ultimate city. So I 232 00:10:28,749 --> 00:10:31,109 Speaker 2: think Numidia was the last one that Rome had to 233 00:10:31,149 --> 00:10:34,149 Speaker 2: take over. So Paul's like, got the boys together, we 234 00:10:34,229 --> 00:10:36,349 Speaker 2: got to get ready. We also find out that he's 235 00:10:36,509 --> 00:10:40,469 Speaker 2: somewhat a prominent figure in his hometown army. He gives 236 00:10:40,469 --> 00:10:43,549 Speaker 2: like a lot of speeches. He's like, what we do 237 00:10:43,749 --> 00:10:46,669 Speaker 2: we do together, and we do it to fight for Numidia. 238 00:10:47,069 --> 00:10:50,269 Speaker 2: And everyone's like, fuck yeah. I'd be like pissing myself 239 00:10:50,309 --> 00:10:51,989 Speaker 2: because I'd be so scared. I don't have time to 240 00:10:52,069 --> 00:10:53,909 Speaker 2: listen to this. I'm like, can we all just watch 241 00:10:53,989 --> 00:10:57,789 Speaker 2: what's happening? These ships are coming so fast. They've got 242 00:10:57,829 --> 00:11:00,389 Speaker 2: like I don't know. They probably had some motors back there. 243 00:11:00,509 --> 00:11:03,389 Speaker 2: They were going very fast, really fast. And also like, 244 00:11:03,629 --> 00:11:06,149 Speaker 2: I don't know how they got their aim so good, 245 00:11:06,269 --> 00:11:09,349 Speaker 2: Like with all the bombs and the like catapults, Like 246 00:11:09,389 --> 00:11:11,309 Speaker 2: how could they aim so well when they do the 247 00:11:11,469 --> 00:11:14,309 Speaker 2: training soldiers. Yeah, but they'd had no telescopes. I was 248 00:11:14,349 --> 00:11:16,669 Speaker 2: just very stressful. So when I saw the ships, I 249 00:11:16,709 --> 00:11:18,709 Speaker 2: was like, Ah, this is dumb. You think you can 250 00:11:18,749 --> 00:11:21,109 Speaker 2: fight this massive land of people while you're coming on 251 00:11:21,109 --> 00:11:23,869 Speaker 2: your little rickety boat. And you were wrong. I was 252 00:11:23,869 --> 00:11:26,549 Speaker 2: wrong because you know what, Then I saw Pedro Pascal, 253 00:11:26,909 --> 00:11:30,069 Speaker 2: and I was like, no one's safe here. The minute 254 00:11:30,069 --> 00:11:32,429 Speaker 2: I see Pedro Pascal, he did one of those things 255 00:11:32,429 --> 00:11:34,909 Speaker 2: where like he sees his soldiers fighting and trying to 256 00:11:34,949 --> 00:11:37,309 Speaker 2: get up a ladder and he's like, oh, I have 257 00:11:37,389 --> 00:11:39,509 Speaker 2: to do it myself, and he just like pushes everyone 258 00:11:39,549 --> 00:11:41,629 Speaker 2: away and he's like, I'll get up there. He gets 259 00:11:41,709 --> 00:11:45,669 Speaker 2: up there, he kills some prominent people are my prominent. 260 00:11:45,749 --> 00:11:47,069 Speaker 2: I mean Paul's. 261 00:11:46,629 --> 00:11:49,829 Speaker 1: Wife, Paul's hot wife. That was actually a very sad moment. 262 00:11:49,909 --> 00:11:51,669 Speaker 1: A lot of moments in this movie are very cheesy 263 00:11:51,709 --> 00:11:53,309 Speaker 1: and silly, especially it has to be a lot of 264 00:11:53,309 --> 00:11:55,109 Speaker 1: the deaths because some of them as the movie goes along, 265 00:11:55,229 --> 00:11:56,629 Speaker 1: some of them get a bit comical. 266 00:11:56,749 --> 00:11:57,749 Speaker 2: We'll get to it shucks. 267 00:11:58,029 --> 00:12:01,269 Speaker 1: But Paul Muscal's wife I thought was quite sad because 268 00:12:01,429 --> 00:12:02,549 Speaker 1: they make eye contact. 269 00:12:02,589 --> 00:12:03,749 Speaker 2: Everyone around them is dying. 270 00:12:04,069 --> 00:12:06,429 Speaker 1: And then that arrow just like pierces her heart and 271 00:12:06,429 --> 00:12:08,429 Speaker 1: she looks so shocked, and then she just falls into 272 00:12:08,469 --> 00:12:11,389 Speaker 1: the water. And then they have almost like a dream 273 00:12:11,429 --> 00:12:14,269 Speaker 1: sequence where you see, you know the legend that you 274 00:12:14,309 --> 00:12:16,309 Speaker 1: get when you pass away, you get rowed across the 275 00:12:16,389 --> 00:12:18,829 Speaker 1: river sticks by the ferryman, and that's what Paul was 276 00:12:18,829 --> 00:12:21,429 Speaker 1: seeing as his wife got onto the faeryom was rowed away, 277 00:12:21,429 --> 00:12:22,549 Speaker 1: which means she died. 278 00:12:22,349 --> 00:12:24,509 Speaker 2: Because he got knocked out as well, so he was 279 00:12:24,549 --> 00:12:26,989 Speaker 2: having that dream. And then he wakes up on the 280 00:12:26,989 --> 00:12:28,909 Speaker 2: beach like the soldiers pulled him on to shore, and 281 00:12:28,909 --> 00:12:31,789 Speaker 2: he sees his wife's body floating in the ocean, and 282 00:12:31,789 --> 00:12:33,509 Speaker 2: he goes to run towards her. I don't know how 283 00:12:33,509 --> 00:12:34,869 Speaker 2: he got there so fast, because I thought it was 284 00:12:34,909 --> 00:12:36,669 Speaker 2: a riptid because he was going back and forth. But 285 00:12:36,709 --> 00:12:39,189 Speaker 2: he gets there eventually, and then he does like this 286 00:12:39,269 --> 00:12:41,309 Speaker 2: big sob and. 287 00:12:41,229 --> 00:12:43,109 Speaker 1: Then we I thought it was he can see that 288 00:12:43,149 --> 00:12:45,029 Speaker 1: he wants to bury her, but he knows the soldiers 289 00:12:45,029 --> 00:12:47,069 Speaker 1: are coming to take him, so he does that really 290 00:12:47,109 --> 00:12:49,189 Speaker 1: beautiful thing where he just tries to pull as much 291 00:12:49,229 --> 00:12:51,389 Speaker 1: as the arrow out of her heart and then pushes 292 00:12:51,429 --> 00:12:53,229 Speaker 1: her ount to the ocean because it's obviously He's like, 293 00:12:53,269 --> 00:12:55,389 Speaker 1: I can't do anything, but I don't want my wife's 294 00:12:55,389 --> 00:12:57,509 Speaker 1: body floating with an arrow sticking out of it, So 295 00:12:57,589 --> 00:12:58,949 Speaker 1: all I can do is pull it out and just 296 00:12:58,949 --> 00:13:00,389 Speaker 1: push her, and he keeps the arrow. 297 00:13:00,749 --> 00:13:02,589 Speaker 2: Yeah, the arrow is like a little motif of a 298 00:13:02,629 --> 00:13:05,349 Speaker 2: reminder of his wife throughout the entire film. Oh yeah, 299 00:13:05,349 --> 00:13:05,869 Speaker 2: I was quite much. 300 00:13:05,989 --> 00:13:16,949 Speaker 4: Yeah, it is an art choosing gladiators, they're usually prisoners 301 00:13:16,949 --> 00:13:17,389 Speaker 4: of war. 302 00:13:19,189 --> 00:13:22,069 Speaker 2: I claim this city for the glory of Rome. 303 00:13:25,269 --> 00:13:30,349 Speaker 4: You have something in you wait, never let it go. 304 00:13:32,669 --> 00:13:36,829 Speaker 4: It will carry you to quatness. 305 00:13:37,629 --> 00:13:41,469 Speaker 2: Okay, So that was like probably the saddest part. Oh 306 00:13:41,549 --> 00:13:43,029 Speaker 2: there was a few sad parts, but that was like 307 00:13:43,069 --> 00:13:44,829 Speaker 2: the big sad one where we're like, oh shit, this 308 00:13:44,949 --> 00:13:48,429 Speaker 2: is real. We then find out that Pedro Pascal is 309 00:13:48,469 --> 00:13:51,389 Speaker 2: the general of the Roman Army. He doesn't seem to 310 00:13:51,549 --> 00:13:54,029 Speaker 2: crash hot about his job. It just seems like something 311 00:13:54,029 --> 00:13:57,069 Speaker 2: he's got to do. He's trying to quite quit pay 312 00:13:57,109 --> 00:13:59,389 Speaker 2: the bills. He's trying to quite quit not conquer any 313 00:13:59,429 --> 00:14:01,309 Speaker 2: more countries, but no one will let him. He did 314 00:14:01,349 --> 00:14:05,069 Speaker 2: something really interesting where when he claims the land, he 315 00:14:05,189 --> 00:14:08,949 Speaker 2: seems so not disinterested but ashamed almost, And that's I 316 00:14:08,949 --> 00:14:11,189 Speaker 2: think where we get the first clear said Pedro Pascal 317 00:14:11,349 --> 00:14:13,149 Speaker 2: might sort of be a different character than what we 318 00:14:13,269 --> 00:14:13,749 Speaker 2: think he is. 319 00:14:13,949 --> 00:14:16,069 Speaker 1: Yeah, because he set it through the eyes of poor Mescal. 320 00:14:16,189 --> 00:14:18,389 Speaker 1: He is seen to be like this vicious killer, and 321 00:14:18,429 --> 00:14:19,909 Speaker 1: I guess you know, he was leading the army that 322 00:14:19,989 --> 00:14:22,589 Speaker 1: killed his wife and his friends. But what we see 323 00:14:22,629 --> 00:14:27,029 Speaker 1: about acacious Pedro Pascal's character is that he is a 324 00:14:27,029 --> 00:14:32,669 Speaker 1: soldier and a general who thrives off defending Rome and defending. 325 00:14:32,309 --> 00:14:35,669 Speaker 2: They have the best character development in the entire film. Yeah, 326 00:14:35,669 --> 00:14:37,549 Speaker 2: he really because you see him in this impossible situation. 327 00:14:37,669 --> 00:14:40,349 Speaker 2: And then now he's because no one's actually attacking Rome 328 00:14:40,429 --> 00:14:42,389 Speaker 2: because they hold all the armies in land and all 329 00:14:42,389 --> 00:14:45,909 Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. Now, the two emperors geta played 330 00:14:45,909 --> 00:14:49,309 Speaker 2: by Joseph Quinn and Emperor karro Kella played by a 331 00:14:49,309 --> 00:14:54,069 Speaker 2: good friend Fred, basically just thirsty for more power and 332 00:14:54,109 --> 00:14:57,029 Speaker 2: more land. A young men who don't know anything different. 333 00:14:57,069 --> 00:15:00,029 Speaker 2: They've had everything handed to them on a silver pladdle, literally, 334 00:15:00,869 --> 00:15:03,589 Speaker 2: and now they're only getting their only form of entertainment 335 00:15:03,589 --> 00:15:05,509 Speaker 2: because they don't have TVs back there. They'd hate the spill. 336 00:15:05,509 --> 00:15:07,549 Speaker 2: They'd have no idea what we're talking about. Yeah, the 337 00:15:07,549 --> 00:15:09,989 Speaker 2: only form of entertainment they have is to watch men 338 00:15:10,269 --> 00:15:12,669 Speaker 2: kill each other, and they are thriving off. 339 00:15:12,629 --> 00:15:15,029 Speaker 1: It and sending a Casius out to all these different 340 00:15:15,029 --> 00:15:16,549 Speaker 1: places to conquer, where he's like, I just want to 341 00:15:16,549 --> 00:15:18,389 Speaker 1: be at home with my wife. Let's talk about the 342 00:15:18,389 --> 00:15:20,829 Speaker 1: Empress for a second, because they were very well done 343 00:15:21,109 --> 00:15:21,709 Speaker 1: and as. 344 00:15:21,629 --> 00:15:23,309 Speaker 2: Scary they were because they. 345 00:15:23,149 --> 00:15:24,909 Speaker 1: Have that thing, like we were saying when we did 346 00:15:24,909 --> 00:15:27,069 Speaker 1: our little review of this on a previous episode, is 347 00:15:27,069 --> 00:15:29,589 Speaker 1: that they have that thing is that they're entertaining to watch. 348 00:15:29,589 --> 00:15:31,549 Speaker 1: But they're also like I have like a deep hatred 349 00:15:31,589 --> 00:15:33,389 Speaker 1: for them, and I think that's very hard because to 350 00:15:33,469 --> 00:15:35,589 Speaker 1: hate a character, you also have to see them as 351 00:15:35,629 --> 00:15:38,949 Speaker 1: like fully formed people. And I really could just see 352 00:15:38,949 --> 00:15:42,189 Speaker 1: these two spoiled, awful men who were just being brought 353 00:15:42,269 --> 00:15:46,149 Speaker 1: up with immense power and privilege, no idea what to 354 00:15:46,189 --> 00:15:49,189 Speaker 1: do with it, and instead they weren't even that power hungry. 355 00:15:49,309 --> 00:15:51,589 Speaker 1: They were to extent, but they actually cared more about 356 00:15:51,989 --> 00:15:54,189 Speaker 1: entertainment and being really sadistic. 357 00:15:53,669 --> 00:15:56,309 Speaker 2: And they wanted people to take them seriously. It reminded 358 00:15:56,349 --> 00:15:59,229 Speaker 2: me so much of Jeoffrey and Game of Throne had 359 00:15:59,229 --> 00:16:01,989 Speaker 2: that same character one hundred percent. And I think we 360 00:16:02,029 --> 00:16:04,749 Speaker 2: talked about in the last episode in such a dangerous 361 00:16:04,829 --> 00:16:07,869 Speaker 2: villain because they don't kill out of hatred, they kill 362 00:16:07,949 --> 00:16:11,589 Speaker 2: out of joy. Yeah, one hundred percent. They're just completely unhinged, 363 00:16:11,629 --> 00:16:14,269 Speaker 2: like no one is safe, Like anytime they feel like 364 00:16:14,269 --> 00:16:16,749 Speaker 2: someone's betrayed them, or they think someone's making fun of them, 365 00:16:16,829 --> 00:16:19,069 Speaker 2: or they think someone's on their side, just immediately killed. 366 00:16:19,309 --> 00:16:22,829 Speaker 1: So Ridley Scott described the characters as damaged goods from birth, 367 00:16:23,349 --> 00:16:25,749 Speaker 1: and this is the wildest thing I've ever heard. So 368 00:16:26,229 --> 00:16:29,469 Speaker 1: Apparently Joseph Quinn, who plays guitar, said that he was 369 00:16:29,509 --> 00:16:33,669 Speaker 1: being really careful not to soil Joaquin Phoenix's performance in 370 00:16:33,709 --> 00:16:36,589 Speaker 1: the original movie, who was the villain, and so he 371 00:16:36,869 --> 00:16:40,549 Speaker 1: didn't look to him. Instead, he took inspiration from Philip 372 00:16:40,549 --> 00:16:44,149 Speaker 1: Simoor Hoffman's villain in Mission Impossible three one of your favors, 373 00:16:44,189 --> 00:16:48,069 Speaker 1: I'm sure, and also Gary Oldman's character from the Fifth Element. 374 00:16:48,669 --> 00:16:52,229 Speaker 1: But Ridley Scott has said that the two evil Emperors 375 00:16:53,029 --> 00:16:56,389 Speaker 1: are actually based well, one of their inspirations, I feel like. 376 00:16:56,389 --> 00:16:58,709 Speaker 2: You're gonna drop a troop bomb right now, are based 377 00:16:58,749 --> 00:17:01,909 Speaker 2: on the cartoon Beavis and butt Head. No you can't 378 00:17:01,949 --> 00:17:04,469 Speaker 2: take me, but you cannot take my bumbhole. I am 379 00:17:04,469 --> 00:17:08,349 Speaker 2: the Great Corn And once you hear it, oh my god, 380 00:17:08,389 --> 00:17:12,469 Speaker 2: you can't unsee it. He watched Bea. 381 00:17:13,069 --> 00:17:15,509 Speaker 1: So it ran from nineteen ninety three to twenty eleven, 382 00:17:15,549 --> 00:17:17,869 Speaker 1: like it went for so long, and it was basically 383 00:17:17,909 --> 00:17:21,549 Speaker 1: about these like really dumb teenagers and all the crazy, 384 00:17:21,949 --> 00:17:23,589 Speaker 1: ridiculous antiques. 385 00:17:23,149 --> 00:17:24,669 Speaker 2: They get, but you love them. 386 00:17:24,709 --> 00:17:27,229 Speaker 1: It was like the epitome of like dumb humor. Yeah, 387 00:17:27,589 --> 00:17:30,749 Speaker 1: oh my god, and how they each other up and everything. Literally, 388 00:17:30,829 --> 00:17:34,189 Speaker 1: this whole epic dramatic story is based on Beavis and 389 00:17:34,229 --> 00:17:34,829 Speaker 1: butt Head. 390 00:17:34,989 --> 00:17:38,229 Speaker 2: And it was, yeah, their whole thing, and they're like obsession, 391 00:17:38,309 --> 00:17:40,469 Speaker 2: Like I think my favorite scene in the whole movie 392 00:17:41,229 --> 00:17:45,429 Speaker 2: was them calling in Paul to watch him fight. Yes, 393 00:17:45,549 --> 00:17:48,549 Speaker 2: So what we just skipped over was like all the 394 00:17:48,549 --> 00:17:51,949 Speaker 2: strong men from Pedro Pascal from the place that he 395 00:17:52,069 --> 00:17:55,109 Speaker 2: just kind of violently murdered all the survivors and the 396 00:17:55,149 --> 00:17:58,229 Speaker 2: strong men were taken prisoner back to Rome to be 397 00:17:58,389 --> 00:18:01,749 Speaker 2: sold as gladiators. The person who controls the gladiators and 398 00:18:01,789 --> 00:18:05,349 Speaker 2: owns them as Denzel Washington, very sexy men. Yes, everyone 399 00:18:05,549 --> 00:18:07,549 Speaker 2: is really sexy in this movie and have great tea. 400 00:18:07,549 --> 00:18:11,069 Speaker 1: Even there being evil, campy, ridiculous, Like Denzel Washington was like, 401 00:18:11,269 --> 00:18:13,909 Speaker 1: it's so funny because everyone feels a bit like they're 402 00:18:13,909 --> 00:18:16,429 Speaker 1: in a different movie, but it all kind of works, 403 00:18:16,709 --> 00:18:18,189 Speaker 1: so it actually. 404 00:18:17,909 --> 00:18:19,469 Speaker 2: It feels like they're in a different movie because they 405 00:18:19,469 --> 00:18:22,269 Speaker 2: all kept their accents. Yeah, everyone kept their own accents. 406 00:18:22,309 --> 00:18:24,789 Speaker 1: Everyone's like, we're all in Rome, but we all apparently 407 00:18:24,869 --> 00:18:27,109 Speaker 1: grew up in different places and we will not address it. 408 00:18:27,349 --> 00:18:29,949 Speaker 1: Paul Mescale feels like he's in a limited drama series. 409 00:18:30,029 --> 00:18:31,429 Speaker 2: Yeah, what's going on? And I do well. 410 00:18:31,469 --> 00:18:35,149 Speaker 1: Apparently Ridley Scott cast him after he watched Normal People 411 00:18:35,189 --> 00:18:37,549 Speaker 1: because he was looking for a comfort show. I love 412 00:18:37,589 --> 00:18:39,909 Speaker 1: that Ridley Scott watched that show before you did. He's 413 00:18:39,949 --> 00:18:42,269 Speaker 1: like became a Normal People fan before you because you. 414 00:18:42,189 --> 00:18:44,029 Speaker 2: Haven't called Normal People a comfort show. 415 00:18:44,669 --> 00:18:44,949 Speaker 1: Deeply. 416 00:18:45,029 --> 00:18:46,429 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, oh my god, Ridley, please, I 417 00:18:46,469 --> 00:18:48,869 Speaker 2: can give you much better. You're clearly not on something. 418 00:18:48,909 --> 00:18:51,109 Speaker 2: You're a woman struggling Forella. 419 00:18:50,989 --> 00:18:53,829 Speaker 1: And he was like, oh, that man's interesting. There was 420 00:18:53,869 --> 00:18:55,589 Speaker 1: many people up for the role. One of them was 421 00:18:55,629 --> 00:18:58,109 Speaker 1: Austin Butler, and I'm just glad that didn't happen because 422 00:18:58,229 --> 00:19:00,749 Speaker 1: he's such a method actor. He would have tried to 423 00:19:00,789 --> 00:19:03,029 Speaker 1: like fight actual gladiators and he would be killed. 424 00:19:03,269 --> 00:19:05,429 Speaker 2: Find him in the zoo just trying to slay. 425 00:19:05,149 --> 00:19:07,389 Speaker 1: All the other monkeys have like taken him out because like, 426 00:19:07,429 --> 00:19:08,709 Speaker 1: I think you could take Austin Butler. 427 00:19:08,789 --> 00:19:10,949 Speaker 2: Yeah, it can't be a method actor. I'm glad it 428 00:19:10,989 --> 00:19:13,669 Speaker 2: was Paul. Also, we forget that they filmed this really 429 00:19:13,749 --> 00:19:16,709 Speaker 2: early on, yeah, because I forgot that, like he did 430 00:19:16,749 --> 00:19:18,429 Speaker 2: all of the other stuff that's come out, like after 431 00:19:18,469 --> 00:19:22,429 Speaker 2: some and things like after Gladiator. Yeah. And it's crazy 432 00:19:22,509 --> 00:19:25,029 Speaker 2: how he probably filmed all of this with like no 433 00:19:25,149 --> 00:19:27,749 Speaker 2: press because straight after normal people. It was during COVID, 434 00:19:28,029 --> 00:19:29,709 Speaker 2: so no one really knew him. He had time to 435 00:19:29,709 --> 00:19:32,429 Speaker 2: put his Instagram on private, he did all of this stuff. 436 00:19:32,469 --> 00:19:35,069 Speaker 2: He only has like two hundred thousand followers, and then 437 00:19:35,229 --> 00:19:37,669 Speaker 2: like imagine making a movie where no one really cares 438 00:19:37,709 --> 00:19:40,709 Speaker 2: about and then suddenly everyone suddenly cares and the premiere 439 00:19:40,749 --> 00:19:42,629 Speaker 2: is just ten times bigger than I don't imagine. 440 00:19:42,389 --> 00:19:44,269 Speaker 1: It's the sequel too, of the biggest movies in the world. 441 00:19:44,269 --> 00:19:46,069 Speaker 1: It's funny because Ridley it's like, oh yeah, I jumped 442 00:19:46,069 --> 00:19:47,549 Speaker 1: on the zoom with Paul and gave him the role 443 00:19:47,629 --> 00:19:49,549 Speaker 1: after he saw him with normal people. And I'm just 444 00:19:49,589 --> 00:19:52,589 Speaker 1: imagine how that conversation went. Is like Ridley Scott saying, so, 445 00:19:52,629 --> 00:19:54,189 Speaker 1: do you want to be in Gladiator too? And Paul 446 00:19:54,229 --> 00:19:58,629 Speaker 1: going yeah, all right then and look it worked out. 447 00:19:58,749 --> 00:20:02,029 Speaker 1: And then Pedro Pascal, I think he's in Gladiator. He's 448 00:20:02,029 --> 00:20:04,749 Speaker 1: in the Gladiator that the film. Pascal's like, shut up, 449 00:20:04,869 --> 00:20:07,749 Speaker 1: I'm the Gladiator. He's in the movie that the Gladiator 450 00:20:07,749 --> 00:20:09,429 Speaker 1: team want us think we're seeing, which is a very 451 00:20:09,469 --> 00:20:12,789 Speaker 1: pristie drama, but very you know, based on history and 452 00:20:12,869 --> 00:20:16,309 Speaker 1: character development all those things. And then Denzel Washington isn't 453 00:20:16,309 --> 00:20:20,789 Speaker 1: a Ryan Murphy TV show camp, crazy over the top, 454 00:20:21,189 --> 00:20:23,389 Speaker 1: having the time of his life playing a villain, And 455 00:20:23,429 --> 00:20:25,149 Speaker 1: somehow all these men it just works. 456 00:20:25,269 --> 00:20:28,789 Speaker 2: It just works, and somehow Denzel Washington is still best. 457 00:20:30,949 --> 00:20:32,989 Speaker 2: Probably he's probably like now taking as a joke and 458 00:20:33,109 --> 00:20:35,029 Speaker 2: is trying like maybe I'll just try to like chill, 459 00:20:35,109 --> 00:20:38,189 Speaker 2: chill with this one. You're still Denzel watching. 460 00:20:37,629 --> 00:20:40,109 Speaker 1: There's such an opulent like kind of flair to his 461 00:20:40,229 --> 00:20:42,549 Speaker 1: character Macretus, we should say, although we just call him 462 00:20:42,549 --> 00:20:45,269 Speaker 1: Denzel as he goes through, because you can see. 463 00:20:45,069 --> 00:20:46,829 Speaker 2: That he plays like a queer icon. 464 00:20:47,269 --> 00:20:50,469 Speaker 1: He's plotting, and he's dangerous, and he's moving all the 465 00:20:50,469 --> 00:20:51,589 Speaker 1: pieces around, and. 466 00:20:51,629 --> 00:20:53,229 Speaker 2: He's the one who he thought was safe and then 467 00:20:53,269 --> 00:20:56,549 Speaker 2: we realize he's not safe and he's actually insane. 468 00:20:56,269 --> 00:20:58,469 Speaker 1: And he'll shake your hand, pour your drink, and then 469 00:20:58,589 --> 00:21:00,709 Speaker 1: kill you. That kind of a villain because so many times, 470 00:21:00,749 --> 00:21:02,789 Speaker 1: just before he takes someone out does something, he's so 471 00:21:02,789 --> 00:21:04,709 Speaker 1: soothing and he's so calm, and he'll give you a 472 00:21:04,789 --> 00:21:06,469 Speaker 1: kiss on the cheek and he patting your head and 473 00:21:06,509 --> 00:21:08,949 Speaker 1: next mente he'll stab you through the heart or have 474 00:21:09,029 --> 00:21:11,309 Speaker 1: your brother slit your throat, or turn you out of 475 00:21:11,349 --> 00:21:12,829 Speaker 1: your home, like there's no stopping there. 476 00:21:12,989 --> 00:21:16,909 Speaker 2: So true. And also because Denzel Washington plays such like wholesome, 477 00:21:17,109 --> 00:21:18,909 Speaker 2: like the good guy, like he's the main good but 478 00:21:19,069 --> 00:21:20,469 Speaker 2: he's got a lot of villains. Over he had a 479 00:21:20,509 --> 00:21:22,229 Speaker 2: lot of villains, but he's always like the guy that 480 00:21:22,269 --> 00:21:25,029 Speaker 2: everyone just wants to be. Like. He's a good action hero. 481 00:21:25,269 --> 00:21:26,189 Speaker 2: He's so good. 482 00:21:26,269 --> 00:21:28,949 Speaker 1: He's a good, quiet dramatic actor, which is why it's 483 00:21:28,949 --> 00:21:31,069 Speaker 1: interesting that he chose to like he's one of those 484 00:21:31,109 --> 00:21:34,269 Speaker 1: actors where he can just like be very like very 485 00:21:34,349 --> 00:21:36,589 Speaker 1: still in a scene, but he can still carry the 486 00:21:36,629 --> 00:21:38,309 Speaker 1: drama of it, and you see the camera just like 487 00:21:38,389 --> 00:21:40,669 Speaker 1: finds him wherever he is. He doesn't amag saying he 488 00:21:40,669 --> 00:21:42,949 Speaker 1: makes everyone lean. Then yeah, he makes everyone leaning to him. 489 00:21:43,269 --> 00:21:46,429 Speaker 1: I just imagine I've got to yell for everything. Imagine 490 00:21:46,429 --> 00:21:49,269 Speaker 1: people leading. But in this you didn't just see. He 491 00:21:49,309 --> 00:21:51,189 Speaker 1: came in and he was like, I can see other 492 00:21:51,229 --> 00:21:54,269 Speaker 1: people around me maybe going smaller and quieter, and I'm 493 00:21:54,269 --> 00:21:56,469 Speaker 1: gonna go big and I'm gonna stay big for the 494 00:21:56,509 --> 00:21:57,229 Speaker 1: whole movie. 495 00:21:57,469 --> 00:21:59,709 Speaker 2: He comes across firstly as someone you feel like you 496 00:21:59,749 --> 00:22:03,789 Speaker 2: can trust, Like he almost is like a mentor to Lucius, 497 00:22:03,829 --> 00:22:06,389 Speaker 2: to like Paul mescal where he wants Paul to be 498 00:22:06,469 --> 00:22:08,949 Speaker 2: like his best fighter. Yeah, and he's like, what do 499 00:22:08,989 --> 00:22:13,549 Speaker 2: you want? And Paul's like the entire and then dells 500 00:22:13,589 --> 00:22:15,989 Speaker 2: and Washington's like too much, But then he does it. 501 00:22:16,189 --> 00:22:18,149 Speaker 2: He gives it, and he's like, here's your army. I've 502 00:22:18,269 --> 00:22:19,949 Speaker 2: done my job. What are you going to do for 503 00:22:19,989 --> 00:22:20,309 Speaker 2: me now? 504 00:22:20,349 --> 00:22:22,389 Speaker 1: And then he's like I want the head of General Acacius. 505 00:22:22,429 --> 00:22:23,829 Speaker 2: And then yeah, and then Paul had to go and 506 00:22:23,869 --> 00:22:26,269 Speaker 2: be like, actually, this is not what I want. It's like, well, 507 00:22:26,309 --> 00:22:27,389 Speaker 2: too late, So. 508 00:22:27,349 --> 00:22:29,229 Speaker 1: I've drawn you away from your favorite part of the movie, 509 00:22:29,229 --> 00:22:30,669 Speaker 1: which I have to circle back to. So that's that's 510 00:22:30,669 --> 00:22:33,109 Speaker 1: where all our players sit at this part. And then 511 00:22:33,269 --> 00:22:35,309 Speaker 1: they have the first task where they have to even 512 00:22:35,349 --> 00:22:38,189 Speaker 1: just see if all these slaves who they've brought in, 513 00:22:38,269 --> 00:22:39,869 Speaker 1: who was going to be strong enough to even be 514 00:22:40,109 --> 00:22:42,629 Speaker 1: up for auction as a gladiator. And that's where some 515 00:22:42,789 --> 00:22:43,589 Speaker 1: creatures come in. 516 00:22:43,869 --> 00:22:46,669 Speaker 2: Oh my god. Okay, so I got really confused in 517 00:22:46,709 --> 00:22:50,429 Speaker 2: this scene because the first gladiator scene where the gladiators 518 00:22:50,429 --> 00:22:53,149 Speaker 2: are fighting, you think they're going to fight each other, 519 00:22:53,309 --> 00:22:56,989 Speaker 2: but then like there's herd of monkeys just come out 520 00:22:56,989 --> 00:23:00,349 Speaker 2: of nowhere ready to attack them. And I was looking 521 00:23:00,389 --> 00:23:04,309 Speaker 2: at these monkeys and I was like, my monkeys like 522 00:23:04,349 --> 00:23:06,909 Speaker 2: this back then, what do you mean? They were like 523 00:23:07,149 --> 00:23:09,549 Speaker 2: they were insane monkeys. They were like dinosaur monkeys. 524 00:23:09,589 --> 00:23:14,069 Speaker 1: They I'm not completely that surely is not what they 525 00:23:14,069 --> 00:23:16,269 Speaker 1: look like back then. I mean, potentially, I don't know 526 00:23:16,309 --> 00:23:18,149 Speaker 1: how much monkeys have changed over time. I guess they have, 527 00:23:18,269 --> 00:23:19,949 Speaker 1: Like the thing is where would they have gotten shots? 528 00:23:19,949 --> 00:23:21,909 Speaker 1: So I'm jumping her head, I'm jumping ahead. 529 00:23:22,429 --> 00:23:24,829 Speaker 2: Going back to the monkeys. So it's hard because they 530 00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:28,509 Speaker 2: they were smart monkeys as well. Yeah, like they knew 531 00:23:28,989 --> 00:23:31,669 Speaker 2: they kill a man, and they knew they had to 532 00:23:31,749 --> 00:23:33,949 Speaker 2: kill a man in the first place. If I was 533 00:23:33,989 --> 00:23:35,429 Speaker 2: just a monkey there, I'd be like, oh what am 534 00:23:35,429 --> 00:23:37,589 Speaker 2: I doing? How have they thought? The monkeys from fighting 535 00:23:37,589 --> 00:23:37,909 Speaker 2: each other? 536 00:23:38,069 --> 00:23:43,029 Speaker 1: Because each month an individual fighter I had a game. 537 00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:46,789 Speaker 2: They were sitting with Denzel Washington and are watching it 538 00:23:46,829 --> 00:23:47,549 Speaker 2: was giving them a fight. 539 00:23:47,949 --> 00:23:51,109 Speaker 1: They were weirdly like CGI monkeys, but in a weird way, 540 00:23:51,829 --> 00:23:54,669 Speaker 1: like could that have been real? Apparently they actually did. 541 00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:58,229 Speaker 1: Used to put many different animals in those arenas. Soles 542 00:23:58,309 --> 00:23:59,149 Speaker 1: exist back. 543 00:23:59,029 --> 00:24:01,909 Speaker 2: Like, yes, Emily monkeys, he been around for a long time. 544 00:24:02,029 --> 00:24:04,909 Speaker 2: But those kind of monkeys were crazy. The CGI monkeys, 545 00:24:04,949 --> 00:24:07,029 Speaker 2: I think they knew they looked insane. They look like 546 00:24:07,109 --> 00:24:10,069 Speaker 2: monkeys from like Planet of the Apes, if Planet of 547 00:24:10,229 --> 00:24:11,629 Speaker 2: a took place in like. 548 00:24:11,749 --> 00:24:15,469 Speaker 1: Twenty thirty four. Yeah, they was an alien element to 549 00:24:15,509 --> 00:24:16,069 Speaker 1: the monkeys. 550 00:24:16,229 --> 00:24:16,709 Speaker 2: You're right. 551 00:24:16,749 --> 00:24:18,829 Speaker 1: And even though they were throwing those darts at them 552 00:24:18,869 --> 00:24:21,829 Speaker 1: through the different cracks in the coliseum to make them angrier. 553 00:24:22,069 --> 00:24:24,029 Speaker 1: They still I guess we're very targeted. But then also 554 00:24:24,109 --> 00:24:27,109 Speaker 1: poor Mescal has a very kind of throw down moment 555 00:24:27,149 --> 00:24:28,429 Speaker 1: with the monkey that he's fighting. 556 00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:31,669 Speaker 2: He first tried to protect his friend, who tragically died. Yeah, 557 00:24:31,789 --> 00:24:34,309 Speaker 2: he just but he was ready to die. He was like, 558 00:24:34,349 --> 00:24:36,909 Speaker 2: it's my time. And then yeah, poor Mescal, I don't know, 559 00:24:36,989 --> 00:24:38,069 Speaker 2: pulled out some chain. 560 00:24:38,269 --> 00:24:40,309 Speaker 1: You're forgetting the moment where he bit the monkey's arm 561 00:24:40,629 --> 00:24:42,029 Speaker 1: and the monkeys screamed that was. 562 00:24:42,269 --> 00:24:45,389 Speaker 2: I And they didn't have raby shots back then, so 563 00:24:45,549 --> 00:24:46,909 Speaker 2: that was a gambling itself. 564 00:24:47,949 --> 00:24:50,269 Speaker 1: I just remember going, ew what, I'm like, it's literally 565 00:24:50,309 --> 00:24:52,429 Speaker 1: germs the least off his problem is. But imagine putting 566 00:24:52,469 --> 00:24:54,309 Speaker 1: your mouth on a monkey. I was like Poorman Scale, 567 00:24:54,309 --> 00:24:55,669 Speaker 1: I would never And. 568 00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:58,389 Speaker 2: The monkey then like kind of respected him for a 569 00:24:58,389 --> 00:25:00,429 Speaker 2: little bit, Like there was a hot second with a 570 00:25:00,469 --> 00:25:03,149 Speaker 2: monkey looked at him and he was like, I cannot 571 00:25:03,149 --> 00:25:06,149 Speaker 2: believe he just did that to me. But honestly, reprospect, 572 00:25:06,389 --> 00:25:08,989 Speaker 2: he's like, he fights sturdy and I'm loving it. Somewhere 573 00:25:09,029 --> 00:25:11,309 Speaker 2: in the universe there is an old script where poor 574 00:25:11,349 --> 00:25:15,109 Speaker 2: Mescal and the monkey form an alliance and then we 575 00:25:15,189 --> 00:25:19,149 Speaker 2: have Planet of the Apes. This is actually the prequel 576 00:25:19,189 --> 00:25:20,709 Speaker 2: prequel series, the Apes. 577 00:25:20,749 --> 00:25:22,909 Speaker 1: Even though they've made lots of those, no one talks 578 00:25:22,949 --> 00:25:23,309 Speaker 1: about it. 579 00:25:23,349 --> 00:25:25,469 Speaker 2: No one's going to talk about it except us, okay. 580 00:25:25,509 --> 00:25:27,509 Speaker 2: And then they had a few more animals, so there 581 00:25:27,509 --> 00:25:30,509 Speaker 2: were a lot of fight scenes, all like one step 582 00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:33,229 Speaker 2: bigger than the last ones. We had monkeys. Then we 583 00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:34,789 Speaker 2: had the rhinos scene. 584 00:25:34,669 --> 00:25:36,749 Speaker 1: Yeah, which iize, I do believe they had back then 585 00:25:36,829 --> 00:25:38,669 Speaker 1: in the cool fights. 586 00:25:38,309 --> 00:25:39,949 Speaker 2: And we talked about how it's okay to use a 587 00:25:39,989 --> 00:25:42,189 Speaker 2: rhino because back then they weren't extinct and they didn't 588 00:25:42,189 --> 00:25:43,669 Speaker 2: know what's going to happen to rhinos now in twenty 589 00:25:43,709 --> 00:25:45,589 Speaker 2: twenty four, So they were like, it's fine to use 590 00:25:47,469 --> 00:25:48,229 Speaker 2: I own you. 591 00:25:48,349 --> 00:25:52,109 Speaker 4: Now, but whose head could I give you to satisfy 592 00:25:52,229 --> 00:25:54,069 Speaker 4: your fury? 593 00:25:54,309 --> 00:25:55,229 Speaker 2: The General will do. 594 00:25:56,109 --> 00:26:00,669 Speaker 4: Rome has taken everything from me, but I will have 595 00:26:00,749 --> 00:26:01,509 Speaker 4: my vengeance. 596 00:26:05,109 --> 00:26:07,949 Speaker 2: It's clinic of meeting for you in the next life. 597 00:26:08,629 --> 00:26:10,669 Speaker 2: I don't know why you are so really freed in 598 00:26:10,749 --> 00:26:13,829 Speaker 2: this one. It will clear my path to the throng. 599 00:26:14,909 --> 00:26:16,149 Speaker 2: You will be my instrument. 600 00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:20,309 Speaker 4: I will never be your instrument in this life for 601 00:26:20,429 --> 00:26:21,029 Speaker 4: the next. 602 00:26:21,309 --> 00:26:25,229 Speaker 1: We then had the ship scene. Yes, And now this 603 00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:27,629 Speaker 1: brings me to my favorite part. Of my notes I've 604 00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:30,829 Speaker 1: made under a subheading called Ridley Scott and the Sharks 605 00:26:30,909 --> 00:26:35,709 Speaker 1: the Internet. No, so, really, Scott does not like when 606 00:26:35,749 --> 00:26:38,909 Speaker 1: people question his movies in any way. He particularly doesn't 607 00:26:38,989 --> 00:26:42,109 Speaker 1: like when people question the historical accuracy of his movies. 608 00:26:42,349 --> 00:26:45,629 Speaker 2: He's protective of his art. So when he released Napoleon, 609 00:26:45,709 --> 00:26:48,149 Speaker 2: remember did Napoleon movie? It kind of didn't didn't really 610 00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:48,549 Speaker 2: take off. 611 00:26:48,669 --> 00:26:52,109 Speaker 1: Yeah, with Yking and Phoenix, there was a scene that 612 00:26:52,149 --> 00:26:55,429 Speaker 1: turned out to be quite controversial movie. He does love 613 00:26:55,429 --> 00:26:57,309 Speaker 1: a water scene. He also loves a cannon scene. So 614 00:26:57,549 --> 00:27:00,669 Speaker 1: in the scene he has Napoleon fire cannons at the Pyramids, 615 00:27:00,989 --> 00:27:03,029 Speaker 1: and people got very upset about it and saying it 616 00:27:03,069 --> 00:27:06,509 Speaker 1: wasn't historically accurate. How dare you he wouldn't have done that. 617 00:27:06,509 --> 00:27:08,149 Speaker 1: They didn't have those type of cannons back then. Like, 618 00:27:08,189 --> 00:27:09,309 Speaker 1: people got very intense. 619 00:27:09,149 --> 00:27:11,229 Speaker 2: Anything Napoleon beckted the Pyramids. 620 00:27:12,109 --> 00:27:14,149 Speaker 1: That was like, did Poline actually do that? You're like 621 00:27:14,189 --> 00:27:17,389 Speaker 1: tarnishing his name? And then really Scott didn't into the 622 00:27:17,429 --> 00:27:19,749 Speaker 1: times and they asked him like big backlash to the 623 00:27:19,749 --> 00:27:21,789 Speaker 1: cannon scene, do you want to speak on that? And 624 00:27:21,829 --> 00:27:25,069 Speaker 1: he said, excuse me, mate, were you there? No, we'll 625 00:27:25,109 --> 00:27:29,789 Speaker 1: shut the fuck up. And anytime anyone has asked me 626 00:27:29,829 --> 00:27:31,509 Speaker 1: about the cannons, he's like, were you fucking there? 627 00:27:31,549 --> 00:27:32,429 Speaker 2: Were you fucking there? 628 00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:32,749 Speaker 4: No? 629 00:27:33,109 --> 00:27:33,669 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 630 00:27:33,709 --> 00:27:36,109 Speaker 1: And look he makes it because you know what, we 631 00:27:36,109 --> 00:27:38,189 Speaker 1: weren't there, and also neither were you. But he's just 632 00:27:38,189 --> 00:27:40,989 Speaker 1: saying we should all like leaves making scenes. No, unless 633 00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:43,869 Speaker 1: you're making your alternative cannon scene, leave them alone. So 634 00:27:44,189 --> 00:27:46,589 Speaker 1: they see in the movie they flood the Colosseum with 635 00:27:46,709 --> 00:27:49,669 Speaker 1: water and they have two different ships coming. 636 00:27:49,869 --> 00:27:51,829 Speaker 2: So I thought the water would just sink through the ground. 637 00:27:51,869 --> 00:27:54,949 Speaker 1: Well apparently they actually did that. Yes, I went, Brad, 638 00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:57,509 Speaker 1: I went to the Colisseum this year, that's right. 639 00:27:57,629 --> 00:27:57,949 Speaker 2: Yeah. 640 00:27:58,069 --> 00:27:59,869 Speaker 1: And as I walked around, I was trying to just 641 00:27:59,869 --> 00:28:01,429 Speaker 1: listen to the history from the guy because it was 642 00:28:01,429 --> 00:28:02,309 Speaker 1: amazing and. 643 00:28:02,269 --> 00:28:03,509 Speaker 2: I was just going through a drought. 644 00:28:05,509 --> 00:28:07,669 Speaker 1: As I was doing the tour of the Colosseum in Rome, 645 00:28:07,709 --> 00:28:08,829 Speaker 1: I was trying to listen to the guide. I was 646 00:28:08,869 --> 00:28:10,509 Speaker 1: also trying to look for the cat that was there 647 00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:12,949 Speaker 1: that apparently it like attacks people, but if you scratch 648 00:28:12,989 --> 00:28:15,629 Speaker 1: it's tummy, it rolls over. So that was really taking 649 00:28:15,669 --> 00:28:17,189 Speaker 1: up a lot of my time. But I also I 650 00:28:17,229 --> 00:28:19,509 Speaker 1: was thinking about poor mescal and Pedro Pascal because I 651 00:28:19,549 --> 00:28:21,109 Speaker 1: knew this movie was coming out and so I was 652 00:28:21,109 --> 00:28:23,069 Speaker 1: trying to store all the thoughts in my mind. And 653 00:28:23,109 --> 00:28:24,749 Speaker 1: the guy was saying that they did used to fill 654 00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:27,349 Speaker 1: the Colisseum with water. They did used to bring boats in, 655 00:28:27,549 --> 00:28:29,629 Speaker 1: and they did used to have a gladiators with different 656 00:28:29,629 --> 00:28:33,909 Speaker 1: people fight like a stage naval battle, either constructed in 657 00:28:33,949 --> 00:28:36,109 Speaker 1: a body of water, natural or man made, or in 658 00:28:36,109 --> 00:28:38,029 Speaker 1: a building. And so there is some evidence that they 659 00:28:38,029 --> 00:28:39,149 Speaker 1: did fill the Colosseum. 660 00:28:39,349 --> 00:28:41,989 Speaker 2: That's pretty cool, I mean tragic, but cool. I don't 661 00:28:42,029 --> 00:28:43,429 Speaker 2: want to see one be killed for fun. 662 00:28:43,509 --> 00:28:46,549 Speaker 1: But apparently when this movie came out, because as we 663 00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:48,429 Speaker 1: were watching, even though I had that in my head 664 00:28:48,469 --> 00:28:50,189 Speaker 1: that they had filled the Colosseum with water, as we 665 00:28:50,189 --> 00:28:53,749 Speaker 1: were watching this scene in Gladiator too, I was like, guys, 666 00:28:54,189 --> 00:28:56,309 Speaker 1: you've literally jumped the shark. And not just because there 667 00:28:56,309 --> 00:28:58,949 Speaker 1: are sharks on screen, but like it just seems so 668 00:28:59,069 --> 00:29:00,589 Speaker 1: silly of the way they were doing it, with like 669 00:29:00,629 --> 00:29:03,549 Speaker 1: the sharks swirling around them, and then the boats were 670 00:29:03,589 --> 00:29:06,309 Speaker 1: on fire, and then different like gladiators kept getting knocked 671 00:29:06,309 --> 00:29:08,909 Speaker 1: off the boat, and then the sharks were like viciously 672 00:29:08,949 --> 00:29:12,309 Speaker 1: like them. Yeah, which we know unless they were like 673 00:29:12,309 --> 00:29:13,749 Speaker 1: I don't know, but like that's not sharks. It's not 674 00:29:13,829 --> 00:29:15,789 Speaker 1: real shark behavior. I don't get the sharks in there. 675 00:29:15,949 --> 00:29:17,429 Speaker 1: How did they find so many sharks? 676 00:29:17,749 --> 00:29:21,349 Speaker 2: Y're all like big size sharks family, so many sharks. 677 00:29:21,749 --> 00:29:24,109 Speaker 2: Where were the baby sharks? I guess they have the 678 00:29:24,109 --> 00:29:26,469 Speaker 2: sharks before putting them, maybe because maybe that's why they 679 00:29:26,629 --> 00:29:29,109 Speaker 2: ate the men so quickly. The sharks eat themselves. 680 00:29:28,829 --> 00:29:31,589 Speaker 1: Because like sharks don't just see any kind of human 681 00:29:31,629 --> 00:29:33,269 Speaker 1: being and being like I'm just going to instantly, like 682 00:29:33,589 --> 00:29:35,229 Speaker 1: revenolessly attack that person. 683 00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:38,949 Speaker 2: Like there's different sharks like eating people. I was listening 684 00:29:38,989 --> 00:29:41,189 Speaker 2: to an episode of The Quickie and they had a 685 00:29:41,229 --> 00:29:44,469 Speaker 2: shark and they asked him where their sharks in the 686 00:29:44,469 --> 00:29:46,669 Speaker 2: callers there. No, They asked him like about like shark 687 00:29:46,669 --> 00:29:50,389 Speaker 2: attacks on people, and they said that shark attacks happen 688 00:29:50,589 --> 00:29:52,269 Speaker 2: out of accident, not because the shark wants to eat 689 00:29:52,309 --> 00:29:55,429 Speaker 2: the person. Apparently, people for sharks kind of like how 690 00:29:55,509 --> 00:29:58,109 Speaker 2: we smell perfume, Like it smells good, so they kind 691 00:29:58,109 --> 00:29:59,509 Speaker 2: of taste it and they're like, no, but I can't 692 00:29:59,509 --> 00:30:02,349 Speaker 2: actually eat that stuff for me, so doesn't make sense 693 00:30:02,389 --> 00:30:04,909 Speaker 2: to me. Well really Scott would beg to differ because 694 00:30:04,949 --> 00:30:09,629 Speaker 2: I would not tell Scott if you're listening, sharks, I 695 00:30:09,629 --> 00:30:12,109 Speaker 2: love to see ga sharks. I think it's completely believable. 696 00:30:12,189 --> 00:30:14,069 Speaker 1: Well, during the press too, someone did ask him from 697 00:30:14,069 --> 00:30:16,749 Speaker 1: Collider and they said the sharks weren't there in real life, 698 00:30:16,829 --> 00:30:20,309 Speaker 1: and Ridley Scott said, you're dead wrong. The Colosseum did 699 00:30:20,349 --> 00:30:22,869 Speaker 1: flood with water and there were sea battles. Dude, if 700 00:30:22,869 --> 00:30:25,029 Speaker 1: you can build a colosseum, you can flood it with 701 00:30:25,109 --> 00:30:27,349 Speaker 1: fucking water, are you kidding? And to get a couple 702 00:30:27,429 --> 00:30:29,509 Speaker 1: of sharks in a net from the sea, are you kidding? 703 00:30:29,589 --> 00:30:32,629 Speaker 1: Of course they can, Yeah, you're idiot. I love. 704 00:30:34,269 --> 00:30:35,829 Speaker 2: How we just had a conversation about how to get 705 00:30:35,829 --> 00:30:37,189 Speaker 2: the sharks in and he's just like, what do you 706 00:30:37,229 --> 00:30:39,109 Speaker 2: mean they got a net? No further question. 707 00:30:40,749 --> 00:30:43,669 Speaker 1: So Ridley Scott says it's historically accurate, So we're gonna 708 00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:46,069 Speaker 1: say it's historically accurate, even though it was very funny 709 00:30:46,069 --> 00:30:46,469 Speaker 1: to watch. 710 00:30:46,949 --> 00:30:49,869 Speaker 2: So I also want to talk about Colie Nielsen's role, 711 00:30:49,949 --> 00:30:54,829 Speaker 2: the role that she reprised Lucilla, who played Maximus's lover 712 00:30:55,189 --> 00:30:59,749 Speaker 2: and then Paul Mescal's mum in this new movie. I mean, 713 00:30:59,789 --> 00:31:04,589 Speaker 2: what a woman. I found her role quite interesting. It 714 00:31:04,709 --> 00:31:06,789 Speaker 2: feels like her role was the one that kind of 715 00:31:06,869 --> 00:31:12,389 Speaker 2: pieced everything together because she had like a few dramatic scenes, 716 00:31:12,789 --> 00:31:15,669 Speaker 2: but it also felt weirdly rushed, Like I felt like 717 00:31:15,789 --> 00:31:19,749 Speaker 2: her scenes in particular were very rushed, especially between the 718 00:31:19,789 --> 00:31:24,909 Speaker 2: second and third act. Then it's just very confusing because 719 00:31:24,949 --> 00:31:27,389 Speaker 2: if you took out all the fighting and all the 720 00:31:27,549 --> 00:31:31,149 Speaker 2: like bleeding and the staring and the politics and stuff, 721 00:31:31,149 --> 00:31:34,749 Speaker 2: and you just focused on, like the heartfelt storyline between 722 00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:36,909 Speaker 2: Paul finding out who he really is and like his 723 00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:41,149 Speaker 2: mom and his dad and mourning his wife, it feels 724 00:31:41,229 --> 00:31:45,549 Speaker 2: quite disjointed. So the part where she goes visits him 725 00:31:45,589 --> 00:31:48,989 Speaker 2: for the first time and kind of he figures out 726 00:31:48,989 --> 00:31:51,989 Speaker 2: while she's there that he is her son, like she 727 00:31:52,189 --> 00:31:55,509 Speaker 2: is his birth mother. He yells at her, He's. 728 00:31:55,349 --> 00:31:57,389 Speaker 1: Like, well, of course, because he feels like, just to 729 00:31:57,389 --> 00:32:00,269 Speaker 1: defend Paul mescal for a moment, he feels like he 730 00:32:00,389 --> 00:32:03,429 Speaker 1: was sent away and then forgotten about. And he's looking 731 00:32:03,429 --> 00:32:05,229 Speaker 1: at this woman and you can kind of feel like 732 00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:06,829 Speaker 1: he knew straightaway that was his mum, but he was 733 00:32:06,909 --> 00:32:08,989 Speaker 1: kind of repressing it. And then he's looking at this 734 00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:11,589 Speaker 1: woman who he sees living this life of luxury with 735 00:32:11,629 --> 00:32:13,949 Speaker 1: the people that killed his wife, and he's pretty much like, 736 00:32:13,989 --> 00:32:16,069 Speaker 1: you forgot about me and you left me out there 737 00:32:16,069 --> 00:32:17,909 Speaker 1: to die, and now I want nothing to do with you. 738 00:32:17,949 --> 00:32:19,869 Speaker 1: And I understand marry the general. 739 00:32:20,029 --> 00:32:22,309 Speaker 2: Yeah, he killed my wife. Yeah, it's actually quite a 740 00:32:22,349 --> 00:32:24,989 Speaker 2: good setup. It's good. And he yells, he's like, get 741 00:32:25,069 --> 00:32:27,029 Speaker 2: out of my room. And then she tries to say something. 742 00:32:27,069 --> 00:32:31,549 Speaker 2: He's like, gout and then they don't talk again. And 743 00:32:31,549 --> 00:32:33,509 Speaker 2: then the next time they talk, I'm like, oh, no, 744 00:32:33,589 --> 00:32:35,509 Speaker 2: he's going to yell at her again. He's gonna yell. 745 00:32:35,589 --> 00:32:39,389 Speaker 2: They haven't talked since that first yelling situation. Immediately forgive him. 746 00:32:39,549 --> 00:32:41,989 Speaker 2: He's like, Okay, well he's got a lot going on. 747 00:32:42,189 --> 00:32:44,349 Speaker 2: He's trying to save Rome. He's like, oh, he's trying 748 00:32:44,349 --> 00:32:47,829 Speaker 2: to enemy. Get out of my room. So she like 749 00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:51,909 Speaker 2: they suddenly make up randomly, and she gives him Maximus's 750 00:32:51,949 --> 00:32:53,669 Speaker 2: ring that she's been wearing, and he was like, I 751 00:32:53,669 --> 00:32:55,709 Speaker 2: will wear this ring next to my wife's ring. 752 00:32:56,029 --> 00:32:57,829 Speaker 1: That's actually meant to be a really beautiful moment. And 753 00:32:57,869 --> 00:32:59,429 Speaker 1: I just feel like you haven't taken it in here. 754 00:32:59,469 --> 00:33:01,629 Speaker 1: It's so every time I see you recently, you'll just 755 00:33:01,669 --> 00:33:03,149 Speaker 1: say that randomly, Oh. 756 00:33:03,309 --> 00:33:06,789 Speaker 2: This ring next to my wife's. He's trying to be 757 00:33:06,869 --> 00:33:10,229 Speaker 2: nice about it. Thank you, mom, I forgive you to 758 00:33:10,309 --> 00:33:10,989 Speaker 2: give you mom. 759 00:33:11,149 --> 00:33:13,629 Speaker 1: Because because Paul Beskil doesn't have a lot of lines, 760 00:33:14,029 --> 00:33:15,109 Speaker 1: he doesn't have a lot. 761 00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:18,229 Speaker 2: I think that's a except for that one poem yes, 762 00:33:18,269 --> 00:33:19,949 Speaker 2: which is like the one line that he says that 763 00:33:19,989 --> 00:33:20,869 Speaker 2: everyone remembers. 764 00:33:21,349 --> 00:33:23,029 Speaker 1: That's a creative choice and it does kind of work. 765 00:33:23,069 --> 00:33:25,669 Speaker 1: He's meant to be, you know, he's always watching and 766 00:33:25,789 --> 00:33:28,669 Speaker 1: reacting and when they ask him to speak, he's like 767 00:33:28,989 --> 00:33:30,709 Speaker 1: he's like no, they're like speaking English. He's like yeah, 768 00:33:30,709 --> 00:33:31,749 Speaker 1: sure whatever. 769 00:33:32,509 --> 00:33:32,709 Speaker 2: Yeah. 770 00:33:32,749 --> 00:33:34,429 Speaker 1: He doesn't have a lot of dialogue in the film, 771 00:33:34,469 --> 00:33:36,189 Speaker 1: but I think that kind of works to his character. 772 00:33:36,309 --> 00:33:38,509 Speaker 1: It does a lot of breathing and a lot of 773 00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:41,629 Speaker 1: brooding and a lot of just like what strength. 774 00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:43,589 Speaker 2: And on ah and then everyone's like yeah, I guess 775 00:33:44,189 --> 00:33:45,549 Speaker 2: sure what he said with both of those. 776 00:33:45,629 --> 00:33:47,349 Speaker 1: But a lot of it is just like close ups 777 00:33:47,349 --> 00:33:49,749 Speaker 1: of his face and his body, like reacting to things 778 00:33:49,789 --> 00:33:51,949 Speaker 1: and taking things in. And I think that's interesting choice, 779 00:33:51,989 --> 00:33:54,189 Speaker 1: Like you can convey a lot without dialogue. Sometimes in 780 00:33:54,229 --> 00:33:56,149 Speaker 1: these movies they can be too much dialogue. If you 781 00:33:56,189 --> 00:33:58,309 Speaker 1: get into historical drama, and there's a lot of exposition, 782 00:33:58,629 --> 00:34:01,109 Speaker 1: a lot of explaining, a lot of men walking around 783 00:34:01,189 --> 00:34:02,029 Speaker 1: and brooding. 784 00:34:02,149 --> 00:34:04,909 Speaker 2: Is he educated because they like so. You see a 785 00:34:04,989 --> 00:34:07,589 Speaker 2: scene where like he's a young boy and then they 786 00:34:07,589 --> 00:34:09,869 Speaker 2: come to find him and then he gets sent away 787 00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:11,109 Speaker 2: by himself on a horse. 788 00:34:11,629 --> 00:34:14,829 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the different community, but he still was like 789 00:34:14,989 --> 00:34:17,509 Speaker 1: educated while he was like living in Rome with his family. 790 00:34:17,829 --> 00:34:19,749 Speaker 1: He does speak well, Okay, weird thing for us to 791 00:34:19,749 --> 00:34:22,829 Speaker 1: be debating, but I think that's maybe just how they've 792 00:34:22,869 --> 00:34:26,189 Speaker 1: kind of done his character. It's interesting because with Gladiator too, 793 00:34:26,269 --> 00:34:28,389 Speaker 1: like I just think like if it wasn't done properly, 794 00:34:28,429 --> 00:34:30,709 Speaker 1: it just would have been the most boring movie. And 795 00:34:30,789 --> 00:34:33,749 Speaker 1: I think the original scripts around it very much center 796 00:34:33,789 --> 00:34:37,429 Speaker 1: on like the politics and the internal power struggles. And 797 00:34:37,469 --> 00:34:39,069 Speaker 1: I'm like, when I went to this movie, I'm like, 798 00:34:39,069 --> 00:34:40,509 Speaker 1: if this is going to be a bunch of white 799 00:34:40,509 --> 00:34:43,949 Speaker 1: men standing around in rooms monologuing about their importance, I'm 800 00:34:43,989 --> 00:34:45,669 Speaker 1: out of here. I've had a long day, there's a 801 00:34:45,709 --> 00:34:46,509 Speaker 1: long line to get in here. 802 00:34:46,549 --> 00:34:46,949 Speaker 2: I'm out. 803 00:34:47,029 --> 00:34:50,269 Speaker 1: But the movie caters to I think what people want 804 00:34:50,269 --> 00:34:52,509 Speaker 1: from a movie in terms of like action packed, a 805 00:34:52,669 --> 00:34:55,309 Speaker 1: very fast, fast paced and the stakes are very It's 806 00:34:55,349 --> 00:34:56,589 Speaker 1: kind of like the stakes are out there of like 807 00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:58,189 Speaker 1: this is a really bad guy and this is the 808 00:34:58,229 --> 00:35:01,349 Speaker 1: good guy, and that's it. Everyone's stay in their lane. 809 00:35:01,429 --> 00:35:03,949 Speaker 1: But it kind of does work because it's a it's 810 00:35:03,949 --> 00:35:07,029 Speaker 1: a cadence of storyline that we really recognize. 811 00:35:06,549 --> 00:35:09,589 Speaker 2: The characters are still developing in their lane to an extent. 812 00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:11,709 Speaker 2: It's almost like if you had taken out to the 813 00:35:11,789 --> 00:35:14,829 Speaker 2: Vicious Killing. This is a kid's movie about an orphan. 814 00:35:14,829 --> 00:35:17,309 Speaker 2: This is Disney movie about an orphan taken away from 815 00:35:17,309 --> 00:35:20,149 Speaker 2: his parents, coming back and fighting the bad guys and 816 00:35:20,189 --> 00:35:23,029 Speaker 2: saving everyone, Like if he took out the killer monkeys 817 00:35:23,069 --> 00:35:26,149 Speaker 2: and the killer sharks and the static and the sadistic 818 00:35:26,229 --> 00:35:28,709 Speaker 2: emperors and the fact that one of them is dying 819 00:35:28,709 --> 00:35:29,509 Speaker 2: from syphilis. 820 00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:33,629 Speaker 1: This is a kid's movie. It's very good versus bad, 821 00:35:33,669 --> 00:35:35,109 Speaker 1: but adults need that sometimes too. 822 00:35:35,269 --> 00:35:38,629 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just such a good watch. Like I definitely, 823 00:35:38,869 --> 00:35:41,349 Speaker 2: as you said, wouldn't watch it because I do feel 824 00:35:41,389 --> 00:35:44,109 Speaker 2: like Gladiator one was more of a drama, like there 825 00:35:44,189 --> 00:35:46,669 Speaker 2: was so much it was more intense in that way 826 00:35:46,709 --> 00:35:49,149 Speaker 2: where the plot line felt like there was so much 827 00:35:49,189 --> 00:35:52,189 Speaker 2: at stake, whereas like with Gladiator two, because it's kind 828 00:35:52,229 --> 00:35:55,429 Speaker 2: of like the same storyline as Gladiator one. You kind 829 00:35:55,429 --> 00:35:57,269 Speaker 2: of know what's at steak already, so you can just 830 00:35:57,269 --> 00:35:57,829 Speaker 2: like enjoy. 831 00:35:57,989 --> 00:36:00,669 Speaker 1: It just feels like more like an action, popcorn summer 832 00:36:00,829 --> 00:36:02,989 Speaker 1: kind of movie. Okay, do you want to get into ending, 833 00:36:02,989 --> 00:36:05,389 Speaker 1: which is actually quite sad because you think a lot 834 00:36:05,429 --> 00:36:07,549 Speaker 1: of people are gonna you think like they're gonna do this. 835 00:36:07,589 --> 00:36:09,389 Speaker 1: They go into you know, get out of here, and 836 00:36:09,429 --> 00:36:11,309 Speaker 1: then death after death after death. 837 00:36:11,389 --> 00:36:15,269 Speaker 2: I got quite confused. What were you confused by? I 838 00:36:15,309 --> 00:36:17,589 Speaker 2: was confused right at the end when he was giving 839 00:36:17,629 --> 00:36:19,749 Speaker 2: that speech and there were thousands of people, and I 840 00:36:19,789 --> 00:36:21,189 Speaker 2: was like, oh, I hope the guys at the back 841 00:36:21,229 --> 00:36:23,389 Speaker 2: can hear him and they don't just start killing people 842 00:36:23,469 --> 00:36:26,029 Speaker 2: because there's no way they can hear him. They're so 843 00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:28,909 Speaker 2: far bad, Like how do they all know that we're 844 00:36:28,949 --> 00:36:31,309 Speaker 2: not fighting? Like, I don't think that message has been 845 00:36:31,309 --> 00:36:32,309 Speaker 2: passed on accurately. 846 00:36:32,389 --> 00:36:35,589 Speaker 1: Okay, So in armies they have like systems in back 847 00:36:35,629 --> 00:36:37,109 Speaker 1: in the olden days, and they have like walkie talkers 848 00:36:37,189 --> 00:36:38,629 Speaker 1: or you think of how to like pass that along, 849 00:36:38,709 --> 00:36:40,349 Speaker 1: like you have a person who's in charge of like 850 00:36:40,629 --> 00:36:41,509 Speaker 1: each section. 851 00:36:42,629 --> 00:36:45,389 Speaker 2: Pass it on, pass it on. Stop you're feeling you're 852 00:36:45,389 --> 00:36:48,709 Speaker 2: getting a message going kill and you're like, wait, kill, 853 00:36:49,029 --> 00:36:52,549 Speaker 2: just because one guy forgot to say stop killing. Okay. 854 00:36:52,549 --> 00:36:56,069 Speaker 1: But before that, we have Denzel Washington rising to the 855 00:36:56,109 --> 00:36:57,429 Speaker 1: power of emperor because. 856 00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:58,749 Speaker 2: Quickly he tricks Overnight. 857 00:36:59,029 --> 00:37:00,949 Speaker 1: That was an intense scene. How he tricks the brothers, 858 00:37:00,989 --> 00:37:02,949 Speaker 1: He tricks the little Emperor. This is how we can describe. 859 00:37:02,989 --> 00:37:05,509 Speaker 1: He tricks the little Emperor, whose brain is at all 860 00:37:05,549 --> 00:37:07,989 Speaker 1: by syphilis, which is very sad for him, tricks him 861 00:37:07,989 --> 00:37:11,389 Speaker 1: into killing his brother because Denzel's thinking like the younger one, 862 00:37:11,429 --> 00:37:13,509 Speaker 1: the little one is easier to control out of these 863 00:37:13,549 --> 00:37:17,629 Speaker 1: two crazy emperors. And then Denzel wrangles it so that 864 00:37:17,909 --> 00:37:21,149 Speaker 1: the little Emperor, who's the one who's ruling now I guess, 865 00:37:21,229 --> 00:37:24,229 Speaker 1: names his monkey first, which everyone was a bit stressed about, 866 00:37:24,389 --> 00:37:27,029 Speaker 1: which is fair enough, it was there for long, and 867 00:37:27,229 --> 00:37:30,029 Speaker 1: then named Denzel. And then when Denzel stabbed him through 868 00:37:30,029 --> 00:37:33,869 Speaker 1: the ear him yeah, that's a bad way to go. Yeah, 869 00:37:33,869 --> 00:37:35,989 Speaker 1: I don't want to go that way, leaving him to 870 00:37:36,029 --> 00:37:37,829 Speaker 1: be in power. But then they're having the big three 871 00:37:37,869 --> 00:37:40,869 Speaker 1: down fight, and then we have the death of Acacius, 872 00:37:40,869 --> 00:37:43,029 Speaker 1: which I actually thought was really sad, but I thought 873 00:37:43,069 --> 00:37:47,269 Speaker 1: that it was very satisfying to have that big throwdown 874 00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:49,909 Speaker 1: fight between Pedro and Paul, because the whole movie had 875 00:37:49,909 --> 00:37:53,629 Speaker 1: been building to that, and see Pedro trying to say, acacius, 876 00:37:53,669 --> 00:37:56,029 Speaker 1: I need to call them the character names, being like no, 877 00:37:56,149 --> 00:37:57,829 Speaker 1: like we're fighting for the same thing, and being like, 878 00:37:57,869 --> 00:37:59,589 Speaker 1: I won't kill you. And then I think the big 879 00:37:59,629 --> 00:38:02,749 Speaker 1: emotional turning point for Paul Mescal was him also putting 880 00:38:02,749 --> 00:38:04,709 Speaker 1: down his sword because the only thing I'd been getting 881 00:38:04,909 --> 00:38:06,949 Speaker 1: up in the morning and getting him through this was 882 00:38:07,029 --> 00:38:09,469 Speaker 1: killing that man, this man who was in front of him, 883 00:38:09,469 --> 00:38:10,829 Speaker 1: and then he had to make the choice to put 884 00:38:10,829 --> 00:38:11,669 Speaker 1: his sword down. 885 00:38:12,309 --> 00:38:14,709 Speaker 2: And then but they killed him anyway, and then Paul went, 886 00:38:15,509 --> 00:38:18,989 Speaker 2: look what you do. Do you like this? You're the 887 00:38:19,069 --> 00:38:22,629 Speaker 2: killing of your general. I'm like, all right, I feel 888 00:38:22,669 --> 00:38:23,629 Speaker 2: like Paul's in the room, that's right. 889 00:38:24,349 --> 00:38:26,349 Speaker 1: I think they were trying because one of the most 890 00:38:26,349 --> 00:38:28,629 Speaker 1: infamous scenes from the original Gladiator, and the one that 891 00:38:28,629 --> 00:38:31,509 Speaker 1: people still repeat to this day, is are you not entertained? 892 00:38:31,989 --> 00:38:33,469 Speaker 1: And so I think they were trying to make that happen. 893 00:38:33,509 --> 00:38:35,829 Speaker 1: But which she said that how good would that be? 894 00:38:36,309 --> 00:38:38,269 Speaker 1: Might have been two on the note he was understanding ovation. 895 00:38:40,949 --> 00:38:42,349 Speaker 1: But you know what I thought was the real kind 896 00:38:42,389 --> 00:38:45,429 Speaker 1: of just the one of the ugly kills is when 897 00:38:45,669 --> 00:38:48,829 Speaker 1: Lucilla Connie Nielsen, his character is tied out on the 898 00:38:49,349 --> 00:38:49,909 Speaker 1: thing in the. 899 00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:53,549 Speaker 2: Middle, like she was the last living person for him. Yes, 900 00:38:53,789 --> 00:38:56,949 Speaker 2: like the last person who like probably had love for him. 901 00:38:57,149 --> 00:38:59,269 Speaker 1: Yeah, he lost his wife, he lost all of his friends, 902 00:38:59,269 --> 00:39:01,309 Speaker 1: he lost his mentor, and that was like just when 903 00:39:01,349 --> 00:39:02,269 Speaker 1: he got to Rome, and then. 904 00:39:02,229 --> 00:39:09,829 Speaker 2: He was losing after me. The credits is still it's love. 905 00:39:10,149 --> 00:39:15,349 Speaker 1: It's peoful opening scene. And then he's lost a lot 906 00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:17,389 Speaker 1: of people that he'd made friends with since he got there. 907 00:39:17,429 --> 00:39:22,389 Speaker 1: He's lost Acacius, who was like a new friend, Danizel 908 00:39:22,509 --> 00:39:25,029 Speaker 1: he thought he was going to be there, trained betrayed, 909 00:39:25,269 --> 00:39:27,989 Speaker 1: and then he's only got Connie Nilsen left. And the 910 00:39:28,029 --> 00:39:30,589 Speaker 1: way she dies with Denzel Washington acting, I'm just going 911 00:39:30,629 --> 00:39:32,989 Speaker 1: to say, like a little spoiled brat, like he's losing 912 00:39:32,989 --> 00:39:34,869 Speaker 1: the war and he could just run, he could leave, 913 00:39:34,909 --> 00:39:35,749 Speaker 1: he could find his army. 914 00:39:35,869 --> 00:39:38,669 Speaker 2: He wanted to take everything from Paul mescal and she's like, 915 00:39:38,709 --> 00:39:43,229 Speaker 2: this is not your movie movie, Denzel Washington, and. 916 00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:46,469 Speaker 1: Then Denzel Washington, the man, the actor takes the bowl 917 00:39:46,469 --> 00:39:49,149 Speaker 1: and arrow and shoots her through the heart in the 918 00:39:49,189 --> 00:39:52,949 Speaker 1: same way that Paul Paul Mescal lost his wife in 919 00:39:52,989 --> 00:39:55,469 Speaker 1: the opening scenes the film with an arrow through the heart. 920 00:39:55,549 --> 00:39:59,789 Speaker 2: I'm surprised he's not traumatized by I think he is traumatized, 921 00:40:00,149 --> 00:40:02,029 Speaker 2: is what we see throughout the film. 922 00:40:02,229 --> 00:40:04,149 Speaker 1: And then it's really on I think is a cinematic 923 00:40:04,189 --> 00:40:05,749 Speaker 1: way to describe it in terms of. 924 00:40:05,989 --> 00:40:07,829 Speaker 2: The battle kicking horse chase. 925 00:40:08,109 --> 00:40:10,509 Speaker 1: Yes, but then we have what everyone has been b for, 926 00:40:10,589 --> 00:40:13,189 Speaker 1: which is the epic threw down between Denzel and Paul 927 00:40:13,389 --> 00:40:14,029 Speaker 1: in the river. 928 00:40:14,229 --> 00:40:16,109 Speaker 2: You know what, it reminded me of what Black Panther. 929 00:40:16,469 --> 00:40:19,309 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, bit of a and men fighting in water 930 00:40:19,389 --> 00:40:22,829 Speaker 2: is dangerous game because like when there's drowning involved, that 931 00:40:23,069 --> 00:40:24,189 Speaker 2: takes it to a whole new life. 932 00:40:24,469 --> 00:40:26,709 Speaker 1: Stabbing through the water, stabbing you can't see who's moving 933 00:40:26,709 --> 00:40:27,669 Speaker 1: where or who's doing what. 934 00:40:27,989 --> 00:40:31,389 Speaker 2: They would be very intense people just rises. Yes, man, 935 00:40:32,949 --> 00:40:35,909 Speaker 2: he did look like a became victorious, and then he 936 00:40:35,949 --> 00:40:39,669 Speaker 2: had to stand between the Roman army and the other army, 937 00:40:39,669 --> 00:40:42,949 Speaker 2: which I'm getting the other Roman army, the friendly Roman 938 00:40:43,029 --> 00:40:46,549 Speaker 2: army and the other Roman army and say, look, guys, 939 00:40:46,789 --> 00:40:49,669 Speaker 2: it's been a Dan. Well, let's just put the swords down, 940 00:40:49,949 --> 00:40:52,909 Speaker 2: like we're all fighting for the same thing. Sometimes it's men. 941 00:40:52,949 --> 00:40:55,149 Speaker 2: We need to like let out our emotions in a different, 942 00:40:55,189 --> 00:40:57,229 Speaker 2: more healthier way. I feel like, if we just talked 943 00:40:57,269 --> 00:40:59,229 Speaker 2: about it and didn't kill each other, this could be 944 00:40:59,269 --> 00:41:01,429 Speaker 2: a really beautiful friendship. I really want a version of 945 00:41:01,469 --> 00:41:03,349 Speaker 2: the movie where he says that, and then the guys 946 00:41:03,349 --> 00:41:04,109 Speaker 2: at the back are like, what. 947 00:41:06,229 --> 00:41:08,509 Speaker 1: Telling or not someone tell us? And we're killing great 948 00:41:08,549 --> 00:41:11,189 Speaker 1: and then they kill poor Mescal. Unfortunate with that for me, 949 00:41:11,589 --> 00:41:13,269 Speaker 1: goddamn it. And after that you want to have this 950 00:41:13,309 --> 00:41:15,989 Speaker 1: real victorious moment of like, they won, the good guys won, 951 00:41:16,189 --> 00:41:19,309 Speaker 1: but there are no winners in war. A series Animalphs 952 00:41:19,309 --> 00:41:20,989 Speaker 1: taught me that there are no winners in more. It's 953 00:41:20,989 --> 00:41:23,909 Speaker 1: all really ugly. And so then we have these scenes 954 00:41:23,909 --> 00:41:27,149 Speaker 1: of poor Mescal looking absolutely fucking devastated and broken because 955 00:41:27,149 --> 00:41:28,989 Speaker 1: he's staying in that arena and he was like, that's 956 00:41:29,029 --> 00:41:31,669 Speaker 1: where my dad died, that's where my mom died. Still there, 957 00:41:31,749 --> 00:41:35,189 Speaker 1: that's where Acacius died and my wife also dead. 958 00:41:35,309 --> 00:41:38,149 Speaker 2: Pulls out the little arrow and then he does that 959 00:41:38,349 --> 00:41:41,189 Speaker 2: touchy dirt thing that he loves, and yes, because he's remembering, 960 00:41:41,349 --> 00:41:43,109 Speaker 2: he's trying to feel like tied to his father and 961 00:41:43,109 --> 00:41:45,749 Speaker 2: how he died in that moment and how he's standing there. 962 00:41:45,989 --> 00:41:48,189 Speaker 1: And this is because Paul Mescal is a good actor. 963 00:41:48,749 --> 00:41:50,829 Speaker 1: You see in his eyes that his character is thinking, 964 00:41:50,869 --> 00:41:53,349 Speaker 1: I am alive, but I am dead inside. And even 965 00:41:53,389 --> 00:41:56,109 Speaker 1: though everyone is celebrating around me, there is no celebration 966 00:41:56,189 --> 00:41:56,709 Speaker 1: for Paul. 967 00:41:56,549 --> 00:41:58,749 Speaker 2: Mescal until Gladiator three. 968 00:41:58,789 --> 00:42:00,909 Speaker 1: Do you know? They're talking about that, and it's going 969 00:42:00,989 --> 00:42:05,229 Speaker 1: to follow in his next like through this next part 970 00:42:05,229 --> 00:42:08,149 Speaker 1: where he's been given this big power that he doesn't want. 971 00:42:08,269 --> 00:42:11,949 Speaker 2: But you know, them all the emperor now and he's like, no, 972 00:42:12,109 --> 00:42:14,189 Speaker 2: we talked about this, boys, there's no empress. 973 00:42:14,189 --> 00:42:16,069 Speaker 1: And he's like, you're the emperor and they're like, it's 974 00:42:16,109 --> 00:42:19,149 Speaker 1: either you or the monkey because the monkey is officially 975 00:42:19,269 --> 00:42:21,789 Speaker 1: taken in charge, and so one of you is going 976 00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:23,509 Speaker 1: to have to step up. But you know, one of 977 00:42:23,549 --> 00:42:26,949 Speaker 1: the reasons that people really want Gladiator three besides the 978 00:42:27,029 --> 00:42:29,189 Speaker 1: fact that we all really loved Gladiator two and we 979 00:42:29,269 --> 00:42:31,149 Speaker 1: want to see we want to see what other animals 980 00:42:31,189 --> 00:42:33,109 Speaker 1: they can put in them at Colosseum. We want to 981 00:42:33,149 --> 00:42:34,509 Speaker 1: see more death and blood. 982 00:42:34,589 --> 00:42:36,029 Speaker 2: Is it because they want to rub it into Russell 983 00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:39,589 Speaker 2: Crowe more Russell Cross at home. No, He's like, how 984 00:42:39,629 --> 00:42:40,789 Speaker 2: about come back? And it goes now. 985 00:42:40,989 --> 00:42:43,429 Speaker 1: He's like, if you could have bloodthirsty, mechanical sharks and 986 00:42:43,509 --> 00:42:45,429 Speaker 1: alien monkeys, you can have Russell Crowe back. 987 00:42:45,509 --> 00:42:48,149 Speaker 2: I'm saying, my mafussa pitch is pretty good. It's prett good. 988 00:42:48,149 --> 00:42:49,469 Speaker 2: We should send that to them. No, they want to 989 00:42:49,469 --> 00:42:52,189 Speaker 2: see Paul Mescal have a love story. Ah boring. I 990 00:42:52,269 --> 00:42:54,429 Speaker 2: want to see por Maskell kill more men. Yeah, I 991 00:42:54,629 --> 00:42:58,469 Speaker 2: just think give the guy a minute. Wid Yeah. I 992 00:42:58,509 --> 00:43:00,549 Speaker 2: think it's because people just want killing and they want sex. 993 00:43:00,589 --> 00:43:03,389 Speaker 2: They just want normal people what they want. 994 00:43:03,709 --> 00:43:07,789 Speaker 1: Daisy Ridley appears, Daisy, so Daisy egger Jones appears. 995 00:43:08,789 --> 00:43:12,109 Speaker 2: Well, that's why they cast Joseph Quinn because he Quinn's dead. 996 00:43:12,189 --> 00:43:13,829 Speaker 2: So Paul's like, well, who's. 997 00:43:13,629 --> 00:43:15,629 Speaker 1: Gonna be Oh my god, Daisy ed goad Jones can 998 00:43:15,669 --> 00:43:18,629 Speaker 1: appear as the sister of the emperors, and even though 999 00:43:18,749 --> 00:43:21,029 Speaker 1: women can't have power at that time, it's going to 1000 00:43:21,069 --> 00:43:23,029 Speaker 1: be her evil husband, who. 1001 00:43:23,229 --> 00:43:27,029 Speaker 2: Like Hell's the evil husband and him and Daisy get 1002 00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:30,509 Speaker 2: together and then they make normal people too. In Rome, 1003 00:43:31,269 --> 00:43:33,069 Speaker 2: it's like Emily in Paris. In Rome, normal people do. 1004 00:43:33,229 --> 00:43:35,629 Speaker 1: In Rome, it's all happening anyway, thank you for listening 1005 00:43:35,669 --> 00:43:40,229 Speaker 1: to our very unhinged, brutally honest review of Gladiator two. 1006 00:43:40,549 --> 00:43:41,349 Speaker 2: Hope you like the movie. 1007 00:43:42,109 --> 00:43:44,389 Speaker 1: The movie because we really enjoyed it. We owed you 1008 00:43:44,429 --> 00:43:46,549 Speaker 1: all to see it. And yeah, look, any day where 1009 00:43:46,549 --> 00:43:49,149 Speaker 1: we're seeing a mustly poor moss girl and his perfect teeth, 1010 00:43:49,189 --> 00:43:51,829 Speaker 1: even though historically and accurate, run across the screen, is 1011 00:43:51,869 --> 00:43:52,269 Speaker 1: a good day. 1012 00:43:52,469 --> 00:43:54,869 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to this episode of 1013 00:43:54,989 --> 00:43:58,829 Speaker 2: the spill. We do so many really honest reviews. We're 1014 00:43:58,869 --> 00:44:01,229 Speaker 2: gonna link a bunch of them in the show. Note 1015 00:44:01,389 --> 00:44:03,949 Speaker 2: make sure you watch them first because we do talk 1016 00:44:03,989 --> 00:44:06,389 Speaker 2: about spoilers and get in deep. But we will be 1017 00:44:06,509 --> 00:44:09,029 Speaker 2: back here on your podcast feed at three pm on Monday. 1018 00:44:09,309 --> 00:44:15,269 Speaker 2: Bye byell It, Love It.