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Speaker 1: So you're listening to a Muma mea podcast. Mamma Mia

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Speaker 1: acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters that this

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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mma MIA's twice daily

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Speaker 2: news podcast, The Quickie. Donald Trump has reached his first

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Speaker 2: one hundred days back in the White House and it's

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Speaker 2: been a wild ride.

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Speaker 3: Plus, why can't.

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Speaker 2: Millennials just have a normal hobby anymore? We find out

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Speaker 2: the reason why we turn everything into a side hustle

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Speaker 2: before we get there. Here's Clamurphy with the latest from

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Speaker 2: The Quickie newsroom for Wednesday, April thirty.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor. A jury of ten men and five women

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Speaker 1: were selected yesterday to hear the trial against accused mushroom

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Speaker 1: killer Aaron Patterson, with a trial officially getting underway. Felice

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Speaker 1: alleged Patterson intentionally killed her former in laws Dawn and

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Speaker 1: Gale Patterson, and Gail's sister Heather Wilkinson in July twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three after serving them individual beef Wellington's face with

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Speaker 1: a deadly mushroom. She has been charged with three counts

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Speaker 1: of murder over their debts and one of attempted murder

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Speaker 1: for Gal's husband, Ian, who also ate the allegedly tainted

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Speaker 1: meal but survived the ordeal. Three accounts of attempted murder

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Speaker 1: police were pursuing over the alleged attempt to also poison

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Speaker 1: Miss Pattison's former husband in the past have been dropped.

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Speaker 1: He was invited to the lunch but did not attend.

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Speaker 1: Patterson has pleaded not guilty to the charges and claims

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Speaker 1: she did not poison them deliberately. Research has found that

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Speaker 1: Australians who work from home have cut their commute time

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Speaker 1: by around three hours a week, saving them more than

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Speaker 1: five thousand dollars a year. Five years on from the

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Speaker 1: COVID pandemic that saw many of its set up shop

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Speaker 1: of ossies still regularly work from home, including sixty percent

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Speaker 1: fully remote roles earn around five point eight percent less

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Speaker 1: than those who don't, there are significant savings from the

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Speaker 1: reduced time and money spent on commuting. The research which

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Speaker 1: saw the Committee for Economic Development of Australia analyzing data

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Speaker 1: and that workforce participation has increased by four point four

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Speaker 1: able to get a job where they may have not

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Speaker 1: been able to before. Amazon has denied reports that it

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Speaker 1: cost of US tariff's imposed by President Donald Trump after

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Speaker 1: the White House criticized the idea. Some Americans have been

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Speaker 1: posting online that when they buy from Chinese companies like Timu,

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Speaker 1: they're seeing the tariff listed as an extra charge on

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Speaker 1: their final invoices, often making the final purchase price more

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Speaker 1: expensive than the original before discounts. Amazon said on Tuesday

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Speaker 1: who said this was a hostile and political act by Amazon.

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Speaker 1: Said that their Amazon Hall store that was set up

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Speaker 1: catastrophic bushfires around Naruma in twenty nineteen and twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: is hoping to help Heritage list a local payphone. When

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Speaker 1: alongside many others in the Naruma community, having to rely

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Speaker 1: nearly one thousand calls over that two month period. She's

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Speaker 1: now campaigning to have the phone heritage listed alongside two others,

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Speaker 1: one in Brunswick in Victoria, which is Australia's most called

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 4: Public phones have been part of everyday Australian life since

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Speaker 1: Well, many of us might think payphones are a relic

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Speaker 1: of the past. Nearly three thousand calls are made every

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Speaker 1: aren't stopping at three phones either, calling on you to

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Speaker 1: share your stories on how a payphone helped you in

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Speaker 5: If a public phone is never helped you during a

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Speaker 5: it once for something special, we'd love to hear it.

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Speaker 5: To share your story, visit any Taushra public phone and

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Speaker 5: dial hashtags story or call one eight hundred zero zero

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Speaker 5: You can also share your story on our website. Just

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Speaker 2: Thanks Claire.

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Speaker 2: One hundred days of Trump Take two In just over

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Speaker 2: three months, Donald Trump has managed to dramatically reshape the

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Speaker 2: American government. On his very first day back in off Firs,

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Speaker 2: he signed twenty six executive orders. That's more than any

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Speaker 2: time dismantling Biden era policies, repealing seventy nine executive actions

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Speaker 2: a new Department of Government Efficiency or DOGE, if you will,

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Speaker 2: that's led by Elon Musk, plus his attempts to dismantle

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Speaker 2: mass deportations, reinstated travel bands, and resumed construction of the

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Speaker 2: US Mexico border wall. He's also renamed the Gulf of

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Speaker 2: an international trade war when he introduced sweeping tariffs across

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Speaker 2: which are largely inhabited by well penguins. As always, any

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Speaker 2: our US correspondent, Emelia Lester. Amelia, how would you characterize

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Speaker 3: I think that the only word to use is historic.

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Speaker 3: These one hundred days really rival the legendary presidencies of

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Speaker 2: That's something that I really wanted to explore with you.

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Speaker 2: One hundred and thirty nine executive orders is a lot

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Speaker 2: that feels actually quite excessive. Before Trump's time, it was

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Speaker 2: only in very specific circumstances. This feels like a real

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Speaker 3: Yes, And that's exactly why we're seeing so many challenges

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Speaker 2: Give us a bit of an update, Amelia. How has

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Speaker 3: When Elon must started Doge, he promised two trillion dollars

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Speaker 3: in savings. He finally settled on one hundred and fifty billion,

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Speaker 3: which still, to my ear sounds like a lot. But unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: is a one hundred and thirty day clock on his appointment.

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Speaker 3: He's a special government employee. That means he doesn't require

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Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty days. Now. Of course, Trump has

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Speaker 3: broken all sorts of laws and precedents, and who's to

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Speaker 2: And what about Linda mcmoon's task of dismantling the Education Department?

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Speaker 2: How she fared in that?

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Speaker 3: You know what's fascinating about that, Taylor, is that Trump

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Speaker 3: What they're doing now is instead overreaching with the Department

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Speaker 3: is DEI programs. So basically, McMahon told school districts all

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Speaker 3: That's now been declared illegals. So it's the kind of

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Speaker 3: interesting paradox that you set out to close this department

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Speaker 2: Let's change pace and talk immigration. We've already seen mass

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Speaker 3: Most countries do not have birthright citizenship. It's quite an

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Speaker 3: unusual feature in the US. The fourteenth Amendment to the

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Speaker 3: Constitution guarantees citizenship to all persons born or naturalized in

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Speaker 3: this does not actually apply to everyone, and of course

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Speaker 3: undocumented immigrants and those on temporary visas who have children

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Speaker 3: Australian's the E three visa, which a lot of Australians

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Speaker 3: Court is going to hear arguments in May on this issue.

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Speaker 3: But it's worth noting that they're not actually hearing arguments

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Speaker 2: It and moving even further outward from the US. Domestically,

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Speaker 2: Trump has big noted himself about being very good with

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Speaker 2: Emilia, I'd like to wrap up how all great like

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Speaker 2: welcome to millennial hobby energy, where we can't just do

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Speaker 6: That is such a good question. Social media has really

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Speaker 6: Yeah, in the opposite way of what it's meant to do.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we're not going to see an epsy store

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Speaker 6: One hundred percent. And I have noticed it in myself

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Speaker 6: Okay. The first thing you have to do is stay

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Speaker 2: Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with

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Speaker 2: with Biuz. I'll make sure to link both her shows

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Speaker 2: Taylor Strano, and Cleare Murphy, with audio production by Lou Hill.