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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land and

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Speaker 2: waters that this podcast is recorded on Hello and welcome

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Speaker 2: to but are You Happy? The podcast that asks the

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Speaker 2: questions you've always wanted to know from the people who

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Speaker 2: appear to have it all. Arianne Titmas is just twenty

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Speaker 2: three years old and is the reigning Olympic champion in

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Speaker 2: the women's two hundred meter and four hundred meter freestyle.

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Speaker 2: She's the current world record holder in the long course

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Speaker 2: four hundred meter freestyle event. She is literally the best

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Speaker 2: in the world at what she does.

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Speaker 3: Aria Tipmas is hanging on can't you get there? World

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Speaker 3: records catching up? Come on an get there, come on

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Speaker 3: down record for can you my good?

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Speaker 1: And Marvi parist W was primped from her and Horror

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Speaker 1: Kids a crenting grimmed but I knew world record to

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Speaker 1: our real Chickson, not other thorns.

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Speaker 2: But I wanted to speak to her ahead of the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four Paris Games about how that kind of

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Speaker 2: success changes the nature of your relationship.

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Speaker 4: A lot of people started to come out of the

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Speaker 4: woodworks that you hadn't spoken to for a long time.

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Speaker 4: And maybe I knew them for like a snippet here

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Speaker 4: or there in my life, and people will draw on

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Speaker 4: one experience they have with you to relate themselves to you. Well,

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Speaker 4: I contributed to that or I knew her here, And

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Speaker 4: it was probably the first time in my life I

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Speaker 2: Why she has intentionally chosen not to have a performance

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Speaker 2: she'd trade in every medal she's ever won to achieve

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Speaker 4: I think it really hit me that I want children

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Speaker 4: so badly one day It's like my biggest goal in

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Speaker 4: my life. I would give up every metal I've ever

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Speaker 2: Here's my conversation with Arianne Titmus. Arianne Titmus, sitting in

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Speaker 2: front of me right now. You are not far from

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Speaker 2: competing in the Paris Olympics. You appear to me to

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Speaker 2: be in peak physical form, although I'm not the expert

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Speaker 2: when it comes to that. You just you look incredibly healthy.

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Speaker 2: And you're the reigning Olympic champion in the women's two

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Speaker 2: hundred meter and four hundred meter freestyle, having won both

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Speaker 2: events at the twenty twenty Olympics and you're the world

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Speaker 2: record holder in the four hundred meter freestyle. I want

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Speaker 2: to start in the present moment. How would you describe

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Speaker 4: I would say my life as it is right now

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Speaker 4: crux of preparing for an Olympic Games, and my life

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Speaker 4: is kind of in hibernation outside of training. I've pretty

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Speaker 4: much had to put my social life, work, outside of swimming,

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Speaker 4: everything on the back burner. There's really no time for

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Speaker 4: anything else other than training. But you have to be

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Speaker 4: end of the day, it's a once in a lifetime

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Speaker 4: the training in my life and then know that really

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Speaker 2: It feels like such a rare skill to be able

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Speaker 2: on being in your twenties and going out and partying

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Speaker 4: I think a few years ago, definitely before my first

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Speaker 4: saying to me, Oh, my gosh, I can't wait till

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Speaker 4: But I think the same thing as well. But then

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Speaker 4: I also say, you know what, I have this one

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Speaker 4: lot of people would dream to be in my position,

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Speaker 4: have to put in. And I should be grateful that

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Speaker 4: I've been blessed with this incredible gift and opportunity. And

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Speaker 4: so I think it's more the choices you make and

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Speaker 4: not so much sacrifices. And if you look at it

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Speaker 4: live the life of a professional athlete.

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Speaker 2: You had huge success at the Tokyo Olympics and you

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Speaker 2: were just Australia's Golden girl, and it was there were

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Speaker 2: memes about Dean and just how much joy he got

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Speaker 2: the greatest success a person could imagine at an incredibly

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's like a few aspects to it.

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Speaker 4: For me, going into those games, I definitely knew there

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Speaker 4: that's probably not how you should feel when you've achieved

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Speaker 4: But one thing is when you're preparing for an event

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Speaker 4: understand that maybe I don't have time for them right

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Speaker 4: I've always trusted people quite easily and felt like I

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Speaker 4: And it was really hard to navigate that, and even

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Speaker 4: I really had to learn to navigate. And I was

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Speaker 4: and so it's something pretty challenging to navigate. But I

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Speaker 2: It's something that you think a lot of successful people

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Speaker 4: You like that, Yeah, I swim, I'm not a swimmer.

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Speaker 4: Swimming is an aspect of my life, and at the

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Speaker 4: moment it's a major aspect of my life, but it's

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Speaker 4: not who I am, and a lot of people never

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Speaker 4: ever ever wanted a piece of me before all this

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Speaker 4: on the joy and success from tangible things like Olympic

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Speaker 4: to go to these paras Olympics, and of course I

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Speaker 4: have big goals, but you can't let your joy be

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Speaker 4: think that that's what I've realized now, that you can't

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Speaker 4: who they are because of what they've achieved in the world.

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Speaker 4: And so I think that's something that I've realized, and

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Speaker 4: it's also made me realize definitely in tough times since

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Speaker 4: the last Olympics. You go through tough times and you

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Speaker 4: realize who you real people are and they still want

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Speaker 4: just as much of you, even when you're not the

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Speaker 4: probably been a wonderful thing that's come out of it.

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Speaker 4: Since the last Olympics, met so many incredible people and

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Speaker 4: a lot of them have stuck around, and so that's

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Speaker 4: a positive I guess that I'll take from the experience

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Speaker 2: Coming up, Marianne talks about what it was like for

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Speaker 2: and the anxiety of not fitting in when they got there.

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Speaker 2: So you were in Tasmania and your training and then

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Speaker 2: you and your family moved to Brisbane in order to

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine that decision from your family and then

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Speaker 4: We've made this big sacrifice for you. I never ever

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I think life does that on purpose. I found

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Speaker 2: You have talked a little bit about when you're training

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Speaker 4: from external noise. I guess. So what I do do

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Speaker 4: is at Olympics, I delete every social media off my phone.

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Speaker 4: Even if you're getting hundreds and thousands of messages of

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Speaker 4: well wishes and congratulations, it's way too overwhelming to even

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Speaker 4: deal with. One. You can sit there for hours reading

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Speaker 4: it and then you're like, oh shit, I'm not asleep,

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Speaker 4: so then my effectual performance. But two. At an Olympics

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Speaker 4: it is a pressure cooker environment. You have to keep

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Speaker 4: the lead on the entire time, and one tiny thing

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Speaker 4: that can release the valve could undo your entire week.

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Speaker 4: So I just think it's not even worth engaging in

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Speaker 4: any of it. So I won't be on anything while

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Speaker 4: I'm racing. I'll probably get my manager to run my Instagram,

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Speaker 4: and then once I go back on when I finished racing,

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Speaker 4: I remember last time, it was the most unreal feeling,

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Speaker 4: like seeing all the support all at once, but it's

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Speaker 4: just with the task at hand. At an Olympic Games,

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Speaker 4: it's the most exhausting week of your life. You just

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Speaker 4: can't afford to engage at all in anything else.

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Speaker 2: I think that's probably something a lot of us should

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Speaker 2: be aware of that if we've got a massive goal,

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Speaker 2: social media isn't helping in such a distraction for everyone.

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Speaker 2: And I mean, I can imagine with swimming, and when

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Speaker 2: what you're doing is so incredibly public, it's just even

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Speaker 2: more of a distruction.

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Speaker 4: Could be wrong. There's a lot of good stuff, but

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Speaker 4: there's also a lot of crap, and there's a lot

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Speaker 4: of people with opinions that don't matter.

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Speaker 2: Arianne and I had such an incredible conversation that we

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Speaker 2: decided to split this final episode of the season into

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Speaker 2: two parts just to share the entire interview with you.

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Speaker 2: You can listen to part two right after this there's

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Speaker 2: a link in the show notes. In part two, we

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Speaker 2: dive deeper into the reality of preparing for the Olympic Games,

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Speaker 2: how Arianne would feel if she doesn't win gold in Paris,

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Speaker 2: and her biggest personal insecurities outside of swimming. She also

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Speaker 2: reveals if she has a backup plan for life after

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Speaker 2: retirement from the sport. This episode was produced by Tarlie Blackman,

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Speaker 2: with audio production by Scott Stronik.