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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. Good morning, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Quickie. I'm table Strano. In case he mister, the

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Speaker 1: opposition is kind of in disarray. Last week the Nationals

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Speaker 1: pulled out of their coalition with the Liberals, leaving some

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Speaker 1: empty seats in the shadow cabinet front bench. Now there's

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Speaker 1: talk of leadership spills for both the Libs and the Nads.

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Speaker 1: So what's actually going down when Parliament resumes next week?

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Speaker 1: Before we answer those questions, cleerm Murphy's Got News headlines

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Speaker 1: for Friday, January thirty.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Taylor, Specialist police will be winched into a remote

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Speaker 2: area where Belgian Touristline Krema disappeared more than two years ago,

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Speaker 2: after human remains were found on an isolated riverbed. The

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Speaker 2: thirty one year old was reported missing by her family

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Speaker 2: on June twenty six, twenty twenty three, after going for

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Speaker 2: a walk in the Philosopher Falls area near Cradle Mountain

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Speaker 2: in Tasmania's northwest. On June seventeen, her car was found

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Speaker 2: in the Falls car part day after the missing persons

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Speaker 2: report was filed, but a search involving police and sees

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Speaker 2: ground crews, specialist swift Water rescue personnel, drones and a

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Speaker 2: helicopter were suspended after two weeks, with experts saying miss

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Speaker 2: Kremer could not have survived in the bad weather. An

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Speaker 2: independent search had continued to look for signs of miss

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Speaker 2: Kremer's last known movements, with her phone located in the area.

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Speaker 3: In December last.

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Speaker 2: Year, a member of that search team found the remains.

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Speaker 2: On Wednesday, police said an additional five items, believed to

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Speaker 2: also be human remains, were found near the initial discovery site.

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Speaker 2: The investigation is being treated separately from miss Kremer's disappearance

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Speaker 2: until the remains can be formally identified, with testing likely

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Speaker 2: to take several weeks. A warning for Aboriginal and Torrestrate

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Speaker 2: Islander listeners that this story contains the names of First

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Speaker 2: Nations people who have died. Footage of fugitive Julian Ingram,

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Speaker 2: taken hours before he allegedly murdered three people, has been

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Speaker 2: released as police vow they won't scale back their search

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Speaker 2: until his capture. The one minute CCTV clip released on

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Speaker 2: Thursday shows Ingram wearing a red cap and blue and

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Speaker 2: yellow high view's work gear, vaping outside Lake Cardeligo police

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Speaker 2: station on January twenty two. In the images, police point

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Speaker 2: to a number of identifying tattoos on his arm, including

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Speaker 2: a distinctive demonic image. The footage was released after New

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Speaker 2: South Wales Police Commissioner mal Lanion pledged to find Ingram,

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Speaker 2: who's been on the run for a week after a

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Speaker 2: deadly alleged domestic violence related shooting spree. Ingram allegedly killed

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Speaker 2: three people, including his pregnant former partner Sophie Quinn and

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Speaker 2: her aunt, Narrator Quinn, in the western New South Wales town.

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Speaker 2: Hours after that, police station visit Aboriginal leaders who met

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Speaker 2: at the Invasion's Survival Day rally earlier this week, so

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Speaker 2: the motivation appears to be racial. A thirty one year

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Speaker 2: old man has been arrested after an explosive device made

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Speaker 2: with ball bearings and screws wrapped around an explosive liquid

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Speaker 2: was thrown into the crowd who'd gathered to peacefully protest

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Speaker 2: on January twenty six. The device did not detonate, but

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Speaker 2: police say it had the potential to hurt and kill people.

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Speaker 2: Meghan Cracker, director of the National Suicide Prevention and Trauma Project,

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Speaker 2: told The National Indigenous Times that there needs to be

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Speaker 2: final outcomes, but at this point it seems likely it

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Speaker 2: was racially motivated, but only once evidence is gathered can

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Speaker 2: it be officially called a hate crime. The First Nation's

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Speaker 2: leaders also praised police for bringing in the WA Joint

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Speaker 2: Counter Terrorism Team to investigate whether this was an act

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Speaker 2: of terror. Colin Gartlet, chairperson of the Wadjack Aboriginal Corporation,

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Speaker 2: saying it was positive to see things are being taken seriously.

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Speaker 2: Tennis legend Serena Williams has dodged questions during a live

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Speaker 2: TV appearance in the US about whether she's preparing to

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Speaker 2: come out of retirement. The twenty three time Grand Slam

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Speaker 2: champion created buzz last December when the forty four year

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Speaker 2: back to the sport she dominated for nearly two decades.

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Speaker 2: While on the Today Show, when she was asked about it,

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Speaker 2: she deflected, saying are you really asking me about this?

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Speaker 2: And when pressed to give a yes or no answer,

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I'm just going to see what happens. She then said

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Speaker 2: that she has two kids and is a full time

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Speaker 2: stay at home saying when I filled out a form

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Speaker 2: the other day. Occupation housewife Arena Sablenka, who made her

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Speaker 2: way into the Australian Open final yesterday, was asked about

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Speaker 2: William's potential return to the sport, saying she's got the

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Speaker 3: It'll be cool.

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Speaker 2: One of the most expensive documentaries to ever be made

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Speaker 2: pre sale ticket here in Australia. Milania Twenty Days to

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Speaker 2: History promises to step inside Milania Trump's world as she

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Speaker 2: orchestrates presidential inauguration plans, navigates the complexities of the White

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Speaker 2: House transition, and moves her family back to the nation's capital.

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Speaker 2: The documentary was made by MGM Studios for US forty

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Speaker 2: million dollars, with the marketing for the movie adding an

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Speaker 2: extra US thirty five million to the price tag. MGMA

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Speaker 2: parent company is owned by billionaire friend of the Trump administration,

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Speaker 2: Jeff Bezos. The company has not allowed any journalists to

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Speaker 2: review the movie before the release date, but everyone will

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Speaker 2: be able to watch it in cinemas from today, including

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Speaker 2: the one person who paid for a pre sale tickeet

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Speaker 2: here in Australia. According to Variety, who track the potential

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Speaker 2: sales at the box office, they're predicting Milania to bring

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Speaker 2: in somewhere between three and five million dollars on opening weekend.

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Speaker 1: Stick around, Claire and I are unpacking the latest from

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Speaker 1: the nation's capital.

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Speaker 4: Next.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we're very lucky. Claire Murphy is back literally

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Speaker 1: in the flesh. Hello, Hello, before we dive in, Just

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Speaker 1: to get everybody up to speed, we covered this last

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Speaker 1: week on the Quickie. Amy Ramiquez joined us to talk

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Speaker 1: through Wtf's happening with the Libs and Nats If you

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Speaker 1: missed it, they broke up again. David Little Proud announced

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Speaker 1: the NAT's departure from the Liberal National Coalition. Essentially, a

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Speaker 1: couple of the senators for the nash Alls who sit

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Speaker 1: in the coalition shadow Cabinet, handed their resignation to Susan

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Speaker 1: Lee because they didn't want to vote with the party

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Speaker 1: on hate speech laws. She accepted their resignations and then

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Speaker 1: in return, the rest of the NATS pulled up stumps

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Speaker 1: and have left, which has left a hole in the

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Speaker 1: shadow cabinet front bench. It also means that the coalition

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Speaker 1: is no more. Now we know they did this previously

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Speaker 1: they got back together, it looks less likely that that

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Speaker 1: of questions, Claire, what's going to happen when parliament resumes

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Speaker 1: next week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we thought we would get a little bit

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Speaker 2: basic bitch on this today because whilst a lot of

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Speaker 2: us kind of know what happens in parliament, some of

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Speaker 2: us don't know the nitty gritty details, and let's be honest,

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Speaker 2: we don't really want to. But we're going to get

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Speaker 3: Canberra right now.

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Speaker 1: Yes, let's start with the Nats because there's less to

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Speaker 1: You might have seen this week that a Nationals backbench

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Speaker 1: at Queensland MP Colin Boyce, And if that's the first

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Speaker 1: time you're hearing that name, you're not alone. He is

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Speaker 1: a backbencher for a reason. He announced that he will

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Speaker 1: challenge David little Proud, the Nationals leader, for a leadership

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Speaker 1: challenge on Monday. It's not always common that you get

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Speaker 1: given like five days notice that your job's going to

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Speaker 1: and that challenge remains to be seen. There is one

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Speaker 1: key factor here, though, Claire. Nobody as of recording has

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's looking less likely. But let's take it

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Speaker 2: even one step back further. So if you're not aware

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Speaker 2: of how this system works. So we have opposition, we

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Speaker 2: and it was up until very recently the Coalition. It

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Speaker 2: the reason why the leader of the Coalition is always

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Speaker 3: That's the agreement they've had for a really long time.

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Speaker 2: With the coalition broken up, now they are running essentially

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Speaker 2: The Liberals are. The Nationals are not at this point

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Speaker 2: if they get back together, they'll be back in opposition.

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Speaker 3: But there's a few things that need to go on here.

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Speaker 2: So Anthony Alberinezi, our Prime Minister, has sent letters to

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Speaker 2: David Little Proud, who is as we are speaking, the

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Speaker 2: He has to find out how to staff their officers

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Speaker 2: That may have happened in the time since we've spoken.

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Speaker 2: As we mentioned, Colin Boyce, the MP for Flynn, has

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Speaker 2: unhappy with David Little Prowd breaking up with the Liberal Party.

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Speaker 4: I think his words were that he is embarrassed.

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Speaker 3: Embarrassed. Yes.

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Speaker 2: So the reason it is unlikely for this leadership spill

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Speaker 2: but then he clarified why. He said, until the leadership

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Speaker 2: situation has been clarified, then there's no point in them

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Speaker 2: trying to bring the coalition back together. And we have

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Speaker 2: been told that this is going to happen on Monday.

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Speaker 1: Which leads us then into what is happening with the

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Speaker 1: Liberal Party because it's not just the national leadership that's

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Speaker 1: potentially up for contention. We've been talking about how long

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Speaker 1: will Susan Lee be the leader of the Liberal Party

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Speaker 1: basically from the moment she arrived at the job. So

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Speaker 1: if you forgot, Peter Dunn was the opposition leader, spectacularly

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Speaker 1: failed out and lost his seat of Dixon at the

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Speaker 1: last federal election in May last year, which left a

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Speaker 1: couple of names floating around of who will lead the

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Speaker 1: Liberals and feel that opposition leader's seat now. Interestingly, Claire,

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Speaker 1: the same names have re emerged time and time again

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Speaker 1: every time that something there's been a bump in the

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Speaker 1: road for Susan Lee and.

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Speaker 4: There's sort of swirling rumors of a leadership's field.

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Speaker 1: This looks like the most likely time that will actually happen, though,

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Speaker 1: and like I said, the same kind of names floating around.

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Speaker 4: So they are Andrew.

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Speaker 1: Hasty, who is the federal member for Canning in Western Australia,

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Speaker 1: and Angus Taylor, the Federal member for Hume in New

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Speaker 4: Of the Liberal Party.

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Speaker 1: So for folks who don't know, you might think of

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Speaker 1: See if that does actually work in his favor. He's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and what's interesting too is former Prime Minister Tony

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Speaker 1: Or you're attacking the opposition who are currently in government

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Speaker 3: Yeah it is, it is, and same with Kevin Rudd.

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Speaker 4: I wonder how you make that decision. Do you challenge

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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean when Liberals work.

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Speaker 1: This out, do a physical challenge, because Andrew Hasty is XSAS,

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Speaker 3: Just don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So I've been wondering about this because I asked

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Speaker 2: It is really interesting because I didn't know if within

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Speaker 2: Democracy Sausage. And he says, no, and we probably won't

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Speaker 5: The government won't be held to account to the same

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Speaker 5: diligently doing their job, holding their government counterparts to account

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Speaker 1: I find it so interesting that he says there or

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Speaker 3: I mean, comective opposition.

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Speaker 4: Look, I don't think that it'll last this long.

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Speaker 3: But also there might be some shuffling, but there probably be.

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Speaker 4: Some shuffling because more conservative party.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the other news story that you've probably

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Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson has actually overtaken Susan Lee as a preferred

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's been a lot of conversation around why

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Speaker 1: The other point to that, Claire, is that we've seen

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Speaker 3: Yes to TBD, but yes.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting because all of this talk about one Nation

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Speaker 3: It's just not possible.

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Speaker 5: The simple reason is mathematics. Anthony Abernezi has ninety three

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Speaker 5: She's a senator. They only have one lower House member,

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Speaker 5: Paul and Hanson is so far away from being prime

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Speaker 4: I love that. This is a well yes but no

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in case you missed it, there, Yes, to be

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Speaker 1: and they have And he's only a late addition. He

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Speaker 2: He wasn't voted in as a One Nation representative. He

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Speaker 2: was voted in as a National's representative.

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Speaker 1: But also, as Mark said, she is a senator and

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Speaker 1: you can't be an effective prime minister if you were

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Speaker 1: but by the time they've reached the Senate, most of

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Speaker 1: the wheeling and dealing has been done. The debating has

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Speaker 1: gone on and on in the House of Reps. The

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Speaker 1: and you're sort of debating it a little bit more

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Speaker 1: in order to do that, she'd need to resign from

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Speaker 1: be voted in as the party leader, and so on

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Speaker 1: and so forth. I look this Upclaid. This has actually

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Speaker 1: happened once previously in Australian.

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Speaker 3: History, when a senator has become Prime Minister.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I want to take you back to January nineteen

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Speaker 1: sixty eight. Okay, John Gordon was the only Prime Minister

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Speaker 1: he was voted in is because poor old Harold Holtz,

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Speaker 1: of like the introm PM. He immediately resigned from his

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Speaker 1: he was able to cement himself as the Prime Minister

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Speaker 1: and then stayed there for about three years. He's a

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Speaker 1: to have voted himself.

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Speaker 4: Out of leadership. So the reason that he was no

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Speaker 3: There just didn't want to do it.

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Speaker 1: There was a vote of no confidence and he said, actually, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've dropped my bundle.

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Speaker 4: I'm done.

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Speaker 2: Okay, But yeah, this is interesting to do this conversation

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Speaker 2: because someone else who gets asked this question all the

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Speaker 2: do vote Labor love Pennywong and could see her as

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Speaker 2: she has to constantly explain.

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Speaker 3: I can't stand it.

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Speaker 2: I can't become Prime Minister at this point because I

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Speaker 2: in the opposite side of the chamber, pennywo gets that

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Speaker 2: same question. So the reason Penny Wong is not Prime

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Speaker 2: Minister is a reason that Pauline Hanson. I mean, although

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Speaker 2: if anyone wanted to her party at least has the

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Speaker 3: She wanted to do if she want to do she

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Speaker 3: kind of good, yes, but no.

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Speaker 4: So that's where the current lay of the land is.

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Speaker 4: Parliament resumes next week. Who knows what is going to

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Speaker 4: go down?

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Speaker 1: Will we have new Liberal leadership new Nationals leadership? One

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Speaker 1: is probably more likely and I almost think guaranteed than

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Speaker 1: the other.

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Speaker 3: Coalition, no coalition?

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Speaker 4: Who knows?

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Speaker 3: Who knows.

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Speaker 1: We'll keep you updated here at the Quickie though, of course,

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Speaker 1: and hey, while you're at it, make sure that you

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Speaker 4: You're obviously turning to Claire and I to tell you

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Speaker 4: about it. I mean, maybe we're just turning.

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Speaker 1: To Claire, but that's fine, not true. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: taking some time to feed your mind to us today.

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