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Speaker 1: I'm Claire Murphy. This is Mumma MIA's twice daily news podcast,

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Speaker 1: The Quickie. Donald Trump is now officially back in the

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Speaker 1: White House. The building staff yesterday frantically shifting the bidens

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Speaker 1: out and the Trump's in as the forty seventh president

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Speaker 1: begins to let the world know the first items on

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Speaker 1: his agenda. We'll hear from our US correspondent Amelia Lester

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Speaker 1: on what to expect from the first days of the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration two point zero. Then we shift gears a

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Speaker 1: little to embrace what seems to be a dying art

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Speaker 1: here in Australia as we figure out how to make

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Speaker 1: the perfect cup of tea. But first hears the latest

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Speaker 1: from the Quokie Newsroom. Wednesday, January twenty two. Donald Trump supporter,

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Speaker 1: financial backer and soon to be member of US Cabinet

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk, has caused concern after giving what appeared to

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Speaker 1: be a Nazi salute during the rally after Trump's inauguration.

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Speaker 1: Masks bonded on his social media platform x saying frankly,

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Speaker 1: they need better dirty tricks, and that the everyone is

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Speaker 1: Hitler attack is so tiring mma me as US correspondent

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Speaker 1: and deputy editor of Foreign Policy magazine Emelia Lester says,

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Speaker 1: the gesture looked deliberate, and it wasn't done just once.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, by the way he gave that salute, whatever

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Speaker 2: it was, twice. He gave it once to the front

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Speaker 2: the back with it. It looked pretty much like a

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Speaker 2: didn't mean it, that he was being ironic. I've seen

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Speaker 2: a reference to a Nazi salute. It was interesting that

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Speaker 2: The New York Times reported just around the time of

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Speaker 2: the inauguration that originally his office as the head of

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Speaker 2: the Department of Government Efficiency was to be in an

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Speaker 2: and it shows where he falls in Trump's hierarchy. It

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Speaker 2: man in France, Bernard Arnaut, who by some estimates is

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Speaker 2: That's a site that you're just not used to seeing

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Speaker 1: We've also since found out that Mask is going to

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Speaker 2: No, he's announced that he's going to run for governor

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Speaker 2: Trump has already started slashing public services. For instance, one

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Speaker 1: In an historic first day back in office, President Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump has enacted a sweeping series of executive orders that

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Speaker 1: Overnight, Trump granted clemency to approximately fifteen hundred individuals convicted

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of very powerful interests who are still

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Speaker 1: The new Trump administration also rescinded seventy eight executive actions

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Speaker 1: Trump also extended TikTok's operating deadline, temporarily averting a shutdown

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Speaker 1: Australian families are struggling with back to school expenses as

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Speaker 1: Prince Harry's legal battle against Rupert Murdoch's British Newspapers has

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Speaker 1: Tea for two is a time as he started to

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Speaker 1: history that begins long before European settlement. In fact, Aboriginal

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Speaker 1: that Bushel of Bushel's Tea fame that still exists today,

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Speaker 3: There's not many things that I would send back in life,

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Speaker 3: Green tea feels like a health thing instead of a

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Speaker 1: Opposite for me, green tea is a comfort for me,

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Speaker 1: parents would have made me milow right, thinking that would

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Speaker 1: And I literally have never ever in my life drank

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Speaker 1: a cup of coffee. Teagwl all the way.

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Speaker 3: Going back to what you said about Australia not appreciating

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Speaker 3: the time at the pub and I was the driver

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Speaker 3: so I was always able to get a cup of

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Speaker 3: tea when we're at pubs listening to trad music. My

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Speaker 3: partner would get a Guinness and I'd go, can I

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Speaker 3: please have an English breakfast tea or an Irish breakfast tea?

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Speaker 3: And there was always the option for a hot drink

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Speaker 3: instead of sorry coffee machines off, I might well get

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Speaker 3: a kettle. There is this appreciation everywhere else in the

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Speaker 3: world except for Australia. And it's funny that green tea

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Speaker 3: is now your favorite because I found my tea gateway

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Speaker 3: was Herbal teas. When I moved away and went to university,

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Speaker 3: there was a tea shop in Woollongong and it had

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Speaker 3: and you could smell them. And I think I started

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Speaker 3: off with like lots of censures, with very strong smells,

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Speaker 3: and then I've sort of transitioned to black tea with

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Speaker 3: a bit of milk. But the appreciation for tea is

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Speaker 3: done so much better elsewhere in the world.

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Speaker 1: I agree.

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Speaker 3: And the people of Australia, especially people in Australian cafes.

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Speaker 3: Fourteen year olds at McDonald's need to be told how

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Speaker 3: to steep.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it doesn't matter who you work for. If you

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Speaker 1: have tea on your menu, please teach every person who

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Speaker 1: works out how to steep it. But it's funny you

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Speaker 1: mentioned Ireland because Irish are famous for you not being

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Speaker 1: able to say no to a cup of tea. So

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Speaker 1: if you're offered a cup of tea, the person who

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Speaker 1: offers it, if you say no, they'll go go on

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Speaker 1: and then you'll be like no, no, no, I'm finally like

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Speaker 1: go on. Like this goes on until you eventually just

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Speaker 1: get given a cup of tea. So it's like tea

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Speaker 1: culture is very different. But you're right, we absolutely need

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Speaker 1: to teach every kid working in every cafe how to

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Speaker 1: properly steep a bit of tea and we'll all be

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Speaker 1: much happier because, as you mentioned, we're not just doing

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Speaker 1: this for taste, we're doing it for our mental health.

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Speaker 3: Mental health absolutely, Claire Murfy.

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