1 00:00:11,064 --> 00:00:14,144 Speaker 1: So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 3 00:00:18,744 --> 00:00:20,624 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:25,184 --> 00:00:28,024 Speaker 3: From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop 5 00:00:28,024 --> 00:00:28,704 Speaker 3: culture fix. 6 00:00:28,824 --> 00:00:31,344 Speaker 1: I'm Em Burnham and I'm Laura Brodnick and on the 7 00:00:31,384 --> 00:00:33,944 Speaker 1: show today, one of the most iconic actresses of the 8 00:00:34,024 --> 00:00:37,144 Speaker 1: last I'm going to say thirty years at least, Shannondotti, 9 00:00:37,184 --> 00:00:39,944 Speaker 1: has very sadly passed away. So we need to talk 10 00:00:39,984 --> 00:00:42,304 Speaker 1: about some of the wildest stories from her career, but 11 00:00:42,424 --> 00:00:45,264 Speaker 1: also some untold stories that have recently bubbled the surface 12 00:00:45,264 --> 00:00:46,264 Speaker 1: that we need to get into. 13 00:00:46,584 --> 00:00:50,424 Speaker 3: But first, but first. This weekend, Alec Baldwin was set 14 00:00:50,504 --> 00:00:54,704 Speaker 3: to plead not guilty for the involuntary manslaughter case against him, 15 00:00:55,024 --> 00:00:58,464 Speaker 3: and that case was then dismissed. So to refresher memory. 16 00:00:58,464 --> 00:01:00,624 Speaker 3: This goes back to twenty twenty one on the set 17 00:01:00,704 --> 00:01:04,184 Speaker 3: of the film Rust Sadly, Helena Hutchins was shot and 18 00:01:04,264 --> 00:01:07,544 Speaker 3: killed by a prop gun that contained live ammunition, and 19 00:01:07,584 --> 00:01:10,704 Speaker 3: that person holding the gun was Alec Baldwin. The trial, 20 00:01:10,744 --> 00:01:13,824 Speaker 3: Alec Baldwin's defense attorneys convinced the judge to dismiss the 21 00:01:13,864 --> 00:01:17,184 Speaker 3: case with prejudice, saying that prosecutors sat on evidence that 22 00:01:17,224 --> 00:01:19,864 Speaker 3: would have helped shed a light onto how live ammunition 23 00:01:20,024 --> 00:01:23,504 Speaker 3: was brought onto the movie set. Judge Simmons said the 24 00:01:23,584 --> 00:01:26,944 Speaker 3: late discovery of this evidence during trial has impeded the 25 00:01:27,064 --> 00:01:29,664 Speaker 3: effective use of evidence in such a way that it 26 00:01:29,704 --> 00:01:33,464 Speaker 3: has impacted the fundamental fairness of the proceedings. So if 27 00:01:33,504 --> 00:01:36,144 Speaker 3: he was convicted, Alec Baldwin would have actually faced up 28 00:01:36,184 --> 00:01:39,264 Speaker 3: to eighteen months in jail. This doesn't actually prove that 29 00:01:39,344 --> 00:01:41,784 Speaker 3: he is innocent, which is a lot of people are saying. 30 00:01:42,104 --> 00:01:45,024 Speaker 3: It's just proven that there was evidence that was like 31 00:01:45,144 --> 00:01:47,904 Speaker 3: either not given or like tampered with. They couldn't be used. 32 00:01:48,144 --> 00:01:50,544 Speaker 3: So the case was just dismissed all out. It is 33 00:01:50,704 --> 00:01:51,944 Speaker 3: thrown out of court essentially. 34 00:01:52,104 --> 00:01:54,144 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. This is such a wild turn of events 35 00:01:54,184 --> 00:01:56,984 Speaker 1: because leading into this, there was such a huge possibility 36 00:01:57,024 --> 00:01:59,584 Speaker 1: that he probably would go to jail, like especially because 37 00:01:59,584 --> 00:02:02,664 Speaker 1: the armorer from the film is already serving a jail 38 00:02:02,744 --> 00:02:06,184 Speaker 1: sentence for her involvement in the gun being on set 39 00:02:06,224 --> 00:02:08,944 Speaker 1: and what happened there, and it was thought that Alec 40 00:02:08,984 --> 00:02:11,704 Speaker 1: Baldwin's fate could be very similar. And I think that's 41 00:02:11,704 --> 00:02:13,544 Speaker 1: important too to note is that I've seen people posting 42 00:02:13,544 --> 00:02:15,664 Speaker 1: over the weekend that he was found innocent, which wasn't 43 00:02:15,664 --> 00:02:17,624 Speaker 1: the case at all. It's just that there's any in 44 00:02:17,704 --> 00:02:21,184 Speaker 1: illegal proceeding, if there's any kind of question around evidence 45 00:02:21,224 --> 00:02:24,824 Speaker 1: not being turned in properly, evans tampering, information being kept 46 00:02:24,824 --> 00:02:27,144 Speaker 1: from one legal counsel, it's just that the court case 47 00:02:27,224 --> 00:02:29,544 Speaker 1: can't proceed, and it's also been done in such a 48 00:02:29,544 --> 00:02:31,904 Speaker 1: way that he can't ever be retrialed for it. That's 49 00:02:31,944 --> 00:02:34,424 Speaker 1: it now. So there's all those photos of him and 50 00:02:34,464 --> 00:02:37,744 Speaker 1: his wife, Laria Baldwin, like crying together and hugging in 51 00:02:37,824 --> 00:02:40,504 Speaker 1: the courtroom, and I just couldn't help thinking of Helene's 52 00:02:40,624 --> 00:02:43,864 Speaker 1: husband and young son, who with the center of this 53 00:02:43,984 --> 00:02:46,104 Speaker 1: and have been left out of the media narrative a 54 00:02:46,144 --> 00:02:49,464 Speaker 1: little bit, and how they initially stood up for the 55 00:02:49,504 --> 00:02:51,784 Speaker 1: cast and for Alec Baldwin, but later her husband came 56 00:02:51,784 --> 00:02:53,664 Speaker 1: out and said that he felt that they had been 57 00:02:53,664 --> 00:02:56,864 Speaker 1: pushed aside and that her death wasn't being taken seriously 58 00:02:56,904 --> 00:02:59,104 Speaker 1: and he wanted people to be held accountable for it. 59 00:02:59,144 --> 00:03:01,024 Speaker 1: So I just think how they must be feeling today. 60 00:03:01,144 --> 00:03:03,424 Speaker 3: It's so upsetting, especially because they would have also seen 61 00:03:03,464 --> 00:03:07,064 Speaker 3: all the promo for the Baldwins reality TV show that 62 00:03:07,184 --> 00:03:11,104 Speaker 3: happened like literally just before this case still, and I 63 00:03:11,144 --> 00:03:14,824 Speaker 3: think it's really disheartening seeing something like that because we 64 00:03:15,424 --> 00:03:17,464 Speaker 3: also us on the spill were like, how are they 65 00:03:17,464 --> 00:03:19,544 Speaker 3: going to do this show if he goes to jail? 66 00:03:19,984 --> 00:03:21,744 Speaker 3: And you kind of think that there must have been 67 00:03:21,784 --> 00:03:24,384 Speaker 3: some level of confidence of him knowing that he won't 68 00:03:24,384 --> 00:03:25,224 Speaker 3: actually be going to jail. 69 00:03:25,304 --> 00:03:26,784 Speaker 1: Yeah, if this had gone ahead, it would have taken 70 00:03:26,824 --> 00:03:29,384 Speaker 1: months and months up to a year or so potentially 71 00:03:29,464 --> 00:03:32,184 Speaker 1: before an outcome arrived. So were they going to be 72 00:03:32,224 --> 00:03:34,984 Speaker 1: filming while the court case was happening? It was wild. 73 00:03:35,184 --> 00:03:37,504 Speaker 1: There's so much around this story that is just wild, 74 00:03:37,544 --> 00:03:39,744 Speaker 1: and like how people are handling it behind the scenes 75 00:03:39,984 --> 00:03:42,344 Speaker 1: is that they went back and finished filming Rust and 76 00:03:42,384 --> 00:03:44,544 Speaker 1: that movie is currently being edited and I'm pretty sure 77 00:03:44,584 --> 00:03:46,784 Speaker 1: they still plan to release it. And my question is 78 00:03:46,784 --> 00:03:48,824 Speaker 1: who was going to see that movie? Like, who was 79 00:03:48,864 --> 00:03:51,224 Speaker 1: going to go see this big, shoot it out, crazy 80 00:03:51,504 --> 00:03:55,104 Speaker 1: western knowing what happened behind the scenes. I definitely couldn't 81 00:03:55,104 --> 00:03:55,584 Speaker 1: sit through it. 82 00:03:55,584 --> 00:03:57,504 Speaker 3: It's very icky, But I do think a lot of 83 00:03:57,504 --> 00:04:00,264 Speaker 3: people will be interested to see the film. 84 00:04:00,304 --> 00:04:02,184 Speaker 1: Oh God, that's probably true. Well, if there's any more 85 00:04:02,224 --> 00:04:04,584 Speaker 1: news around the release of that movie, will keep you posted. 86 00:04:04,664 --> 00:04:06,624 Speaker 1: But of course at this moment in time, our thoughts 87 00:04:06,664 --> 00:04:07,824 Speaker 1: are with Helena's family. 88 00:04:09,824 --> 00:04:13,824 Speaker 3: So early this morning, it was announced that actress Shannondohity 89 00:04:13,944 --> 00:04:17,824 Speaker 3: has died at age fifty three. Shannon was first diagnosed 90 00:04:17,824 --> 00:04:22,224 Speaker 3: with breast cancer in twenty fifteen. She also underwent a misectomy, 91 00:04:22,624 --> 00:04:25,544 Speaker 3: but in twenty twenty she announced that her cancer was 92 00:04:25,624 --> 00:04:28,544 Speaker 3: terminal and she was calling it a bitter pill to swallow, 93 00:04:28,744 --> 00:04:31,384 Speaker 3: so sad. There are so many quotes around her saying 94 00:04:31,384 --> 00:04:33,304 Speaker 3: how she didn't want to die, and it's just so 95 00:04:33,424 --> 00:04:36,504 Speaker 3: upset about this. Her publicist, Leslie Sloane, put out a 96 00:04:36,504 --> 00:04:38,864 Speaker 3: statement that read, it is with a heavy heart that 97 00:04:38,904 --> 00:04:43,024 Speaker 3: I confirmed the passing of actress Shannondoity on Saturday, July thirteen. 98 00:04:43,144 --> 00:04:45,464 Speaker 3: She lost her battle with cancer after many years of 99 00:04:45,464 --> 00:04:49,384 Speaker 3: fighting the disease. The devoted daughter, sister, aunt, and friend 100 00:04:49,464 --> 00:04:51,704 Speaker 3: was surrounded by her loved ones, as well as her 101 00:04:51,704 --> 00:04:54,824 Speaker 3: dog Bowie. The family asked for their privacy at this 102 00:04:54,944 --> 00:04:58,584 Speaker 3: time so they can grieve in peace. This is so sad, 103 00:04:58,664 --> 00:05:01,984 Speaker 3: she is so young, and what makes me really upset 104 00:05:02,024 --> 00:05:05,144 Speaker 3: is that I feel like cancer is like something that 105 00:05:05,184 --> 00:05:07,024 Speaker 3: I feel like so many more women are going through. 106 00:05:07,064 --> 00:05:09,104 Speaker 3: We've done so many pieces about how more and more 107 00:05:09,104 --> 00:05:11,704 Speaker 3: women are getting diagnosed with ca answer, but because with 108 00:05:11,744 --> 00:05:14,664 Speaker 3: the advancements of medicine, we're getting a lot more good 109 00:05:14,704 --> 00:05:18,184 Speaker 3: stories as well, and you forget that it's still such 110 00:05:18,224 --> 00:05:20,784 Speaker 3: a horrendous disease that kill so many people. 111 00:05:20,864 --> 00:05:21,584 Speaker 2: Oh exactly. 112 00:05:21,624 --> 00:05:23,424 Speaker 1: And I think so much of the last few years 113 00:05:23,424 --> 00:05:25,904 Speaker 1: of Shannon's career because she was doing so many sort 114 00:05:25,944 --> 00:05:28,224 Speaker 1: of interviews and panel discussions about her and she had 115 00:05:28,224 --> 00:05:30,224 Speaker 1: her own podcast where she would have which we talked 116 00:05:30,224 --> 00:05:32,664 Speaker 1: about recently. Yeah exactly. Yeah, she was saying a lot 117 00:05:32,664 --> 00:05:34,464 Speaker 1: of interesting things in that podcast, but she would talk 118 00:05:34,504 --> 00:05:36,864 Speaker 1: so candidly about her diagnosis. I mean, there were so 119 00:05:36,944 --> 00:05:39,064 Speaker 1: many horrific things, as there is with anyone going through 120 00:05:39,104 --> 00:05:41,784 Speaker 1: something like that, but especially in the last couple of months, 121 00:05:41,824 --> 00:05:43,984 Speaker 1: talking about how she has been an actress in this 122 00:05:44,024 --> 00:05:46,664 Speaker 1: industry for over thirty years, but because she couldn't work 123 00:05:46,704 --> 00:05:48,824 Speaker 1: the last couple of years because of how sick she's been, 124 00:05:49,104 --> 00:05:51,784 Speaker 1: she didn't have any insurance to cover her health care, 125 00:05:51,864 --> 00:05:54,064 Speaker 1: and so she was really struggling with that, which I 126 00:05:54,104 --> 00:05:56,104 Speaker 1: think a lot of her fans found it difficult to hear, 127 00:05:56,144 --> 00:05:58,064 Speaker 1: and always on her podcast she would talk about not 128 00:05:58,144 --> 00:06:00,664 Speaker 1: knowing how much time she had left but being so 129 00:06:00,784 --> 00:06:03,384 Speaker 1: desperate to sort of keep going and saying she had 130 00:06:03,424 --> 00:06:05,624 Speaker 1: so much to do. So in a way, it's kind 131 00:06:05,624 --> 00:06:07,264 Speaker 1: of like it was I think great for her to 132 00:06:07,264 --> 00:06:09,664 Speaker 1: be able to share her story in her own words, 133 00:06:09,704 --> 00:06:11,904 Speaker 1: but I think like the last couple of years in particular, 134 00:06:11,984 --> 00:06:14,304 Speaker 1: it's been really hard for people who loved her for 135 00:06:14,344 --> 00:06:16,984 Speaker 1: such a long time to hear those stories. And it's 136 00:06:17,024 --> 00:06:19,464 Speaker 1: so interesting, like this is someone who, like, I don't 137 00:06:19,464 --> 00:06:22,304 Speaker 1: remember a time kind of before Shannon Dohity if that, 138 00:06:22,624 --> 00:06:24,464 Speaker 1: if you know, kind of looking back at her career 139 00:06:24,864 --> 00:06:28,144 Speaker 1: because she made her first big movie in nineteen ninety eight, Heathers, 140 00:06:28,184 --> 00:06:29,104 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen it. 141 00:06:29,384 --> 00:06:31,584 Speaker 3: No, I haven't seen the movie, but I've seen the music. 142 00:06:31,704 --> 00:06:34,064 Speaker 1: The musical is ten out of ten and the movie 143 00:06:34,264 --> 00:06:36,064 Speaker 1: is excellent. So it's Shannon and we're are in a 144 00:06:36,064 --> 00:06:38,904 Speaker 1: writer and it's a very iconic movie from the eighties. 145 00:06:38,944 --> 00:06:41,504 Speaker 1: And that was her first big role and it was 146 00:06:41,544 --> 00:06:43,744 Speaker 1: in dark comedy. And then after that, of course, she 147 00:06:43,944 --> 00:06:47,544 Speaker 1: became Brenda Walsh in Beverly Hills, nine O two one oh. 148 00:06:48,024 --> 00:06:50,144 Speaker 1: I should say in nineteen ninety I was it young 149 00:06:50,184 --> 00:06:51,024 Speaker 1: to watch No. 150 00:06:51,184 --> 00:06:52,664 Speaker 2: O two one oh. I was kind of aware of 151 00:06:52,704 --> 00:06:53,824 Speaker 2: its existence. 152 00:06:53,424 --> 00:06:56,464 Speaker 3: And I watched the remake. Yeah, when they were ad ups. 153 00:06:56,584 --> 00:06:58,264 Speaker 3: Was she on with Luke Perry? 154 00:06:58,624 --> 00:07:01,624 Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, So here's the thing. So Aaron Spelling, he 155 00:07:01,664 --> 00:07:03,504 Speaker 1: was like the biggest producer of Hollywood in the time. 156 00:07:03,624 --> 00:07:05,624 Speaker 1: Nine O two one oh came out and it made 157 00:07:05,784 --> 00:07:08,584 Speaker 1: huge stars of the car. So it was Jason Priestley 158 00:07:08,704 --> 00:07:11,184 Speaker 1: played her twin brother in the show. She was Brenda Walls. 159 00:07:11,224 --> 00:07:13,904 Speaker 1: She was like these two kids from Minnesota. Because these 160 00:07:13,904 --> 00:07:16,744 Speaker 1: two kids from Minneapolis moved to nine O two one 161 00:07:16,824 --> 00:07:19,024 Speaker 1: oh in Beverly Hills and they kind of got caught 162 00:07:19,024 --> 00:07:22,304 Speaker 1: into this scandalous scene as Jenny Garth, Tory Spelling, Brian 163 00:07:22,344 --> 00:07:26,144 Speaker 1: Austin Green, and Luke Perry, and they all became huge 164 00:07:26,144 --> 00:07:28,624 Speaker 1: household names. It's interesting that the show didn't do that 165 00:07:28,704 --> 00:07:30,984 Speaker 1: well when it first started, which is wild to think 166 00:07:30,984 --> 00:07:32,904 Speaker 1: of now. It kind of premiered to like very kind 167 00:07:32,944 --> 00:07:36,904 Speaker 1: of lukewarm ratings, and then as the show progressed and 168 00:07:36,944 --> 00:07:39,384 Speaker 1: people got very involved and like the love triangles, they 169 00:07:39,424 --> 00:07:41,864 Speaker 1: also tackled all these things that weren't on TV at 170 00:07:41,864 --> 00:07:44,344 Speaker 1: the time. It was really kind of the first big 171 00:07:44,904 --> 00:07:47,664 Speaker 1: teen drama team, like all those shows that we have now, 172 00:07:47,744 --> 00:07:50,944 Speaker 1: like The Gossip Girls, One Tree Hills, See de Grassi, 173 00:07:51,024 --> 00:07:51,904 Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. 174 00:07:51,984 --> 00:07:52,224 Speaker 2: No. 175 00:07:52,264 --> 00:07:54,504 Speaker 1: Two to one Oh really lay the foundation for that, 176 00:07:54,584 --> 00:07:57,464 Speaker 1: and she was one of the biggest breakout stars of 177 00:07:57,504 --> 00:07:59,504 Speaker 1: the whole show and the behind the scenes. That show 178 00:07:59,544 --> 00:08:01,944 Speaker 1: is kind of everything you want a teen show to 179 00:08:01,984 --> 00:08:03,864 Speaker 1: be in terms of like there was drama. They're all 180 00:08:03,864 --> 00:08:05,944 Speaker 1: sleeping together, they're all hooking up, they're all having these 181 00:08:05,984 --> 00:08:07,184 Speaker 1: like wild adventures. 182 00:08:07,224 --> 00:08:09,184 Speaker 3: Were they all teenagers or were they a bit older? 183 00:08:09,704 --> 00:08:12,544 Speaker 1: One of them who the actress who played Andrea, was like, 184 00:08:12,584 --> 00:08:14,824 Speaker 1: I think nearly thirty, but I think they were all 185 00:08:14,864 --> 00:08:17,624 Speaker 1: like late teens, kind of going into early twenties. So 186 00:08:17,624 --> 00:08:20,144 Speaker 1: Shannon Johty was in her early twenties. But she was 187 00:08:20,184 --> 00:08:22,784 Speaker 1: only on for a few seasons before she was fired, 188 00:08:22,824 --> 00:08:24,264 Speaker 1: which is a huge, huge deal. 189 00:08:24,464 --> 00:08:25,344 Speaker 3: She was fired at the time. 190 00:08:25,424 --> 00:08:26,064 Speaker 2: She was just fired. 191 00:08:26,104 --> 00:08:28,064 Speaker 1: Yeah, she was fined from the show. She has talked 192 00:08:28,064 --> 00:08:29,984 Speaker 1: about it recently and said that she knew that her 193 00:08:29,984 --> 00:08:32,424 Speaker 1: behavior was really bad, but she did wish that someone 194 00:08:32,464 --> 00:08:34,464 Speaker 1: had kind of sat her down and said, you're going 195 00:08:34,464 --> 00:08:36,784 Speaker 1: to be fired if you continue this. So she had 196 00:08:36,824 --> 00:08:39,024 Speaker 1: gotten to a lot of different altercations with the other 197 00:08:39,104 --> 00:08:41,944 Speaker 1: cast members. It's so wild because in the nineties and 198 00:08:41,984 --> 00:08:44,624 Speaker 1: like early two thousands, there was so much fighting behind 199 00:08:44,624 --> 00:08:46,224 Speaker 1: the scenes of the nine o two or zero cast, 200 00:08:46,304 --> 00:08:48,224 Speaker 1: But when they all got into their forties and fifties, 201 00:08:48,264 --> 00:08:50,944 Speaker 1: they all became friends again and came back together, which 202 00:08:51,024 --> 00:08:51,584 Speaker 1: I really like. 203 00:08:51,664 --> 00:08:53,544 Speaker 3: So it's also I feel like an age thing, like 204 00:08:53,584 --> 00:08:55,984 Speaker 3: when you have a group of like twenty something year 205 00:08:56,024 --> 00:08:58,184 Speaker 3: old who like getting into acting. They have this like 206 00:08:58,424 --> 00:09:01,464 Speaker 3: overnight fame. They have massive egos, they think they're the 207 00:09:01,504 --> 00:09:04,424 Speaker 3: best at everything. Obviously they're going to clash exactly. She's 208 00:09:04,424 --> 00:09:06,064 Speaker 3: also talked to the fact she was in her first 209 00:09:06,064 --> 00:09:08,184 Speaker 3: marriage at the time. It was really turbulent. She was 210 00:09:08,184 --> 00:09:09,944 Speaker 3: going through this stuff behind the scenes, so she would 211 00:09:09,984 --> 00:09:12,424 Speaker 3: come to work late all the time, which means that 212 00:09:12,424 --> 00:09:14,344 Speaker 3: all the other cars had to wait for her and 213 00:09:14,384 --> 00:09:16,904 Speaker 3: they would get angry. And then Jenny Garth, who played 214 00:09:16,984 --> 00:09:19,024 Speaker 3: Kelly on the show. It's weird because they were best 215 00:09:19,024 --> 00:09:21,904 Speaker 3: friends and rivals on the show in Love Triangles with 216 00:09:22,384 --> 00:09:24,624 Speaker 3: Luke Perry's character, and they were also best friends and 217 00:09:24,704 --> 00:09:25,984 Speaker 3: enemies behind the scenes. 218 00:09:26,024 --> 00:09:26,544 Speaker 2: This is what I mean. 219 00:09:26,584 --> 00:09:29,024 Speaker 1: It's like the most delicious like mixing pot of like 220 00:09:29,144 --> 00:09:31,104 Speaker 1: teen drama. It's like everything you wanted to be. 221 00:09:31,184 --> 00:09:33,344 Speaker 3: I feel like that's something I would watch on like MTV, 222 00:09:33,584 --> 00:09:34,504 Speaker 3: like the behind the scenes. 223 00:09:35,144 --> 00:09:36,984 Speaker 1: Oh, I think that pretty much happened. Yeah, they got 224 00:09:37,024 --> 00:09:40,824 Speaker 1: into a physical fight one day. There was a physical Yeah. Oh, 225 00:09:40,944 --> 00:09:42,624 Speaker 1: because they've talked by the fight because they were friends 226 00:09:42,904 --> 00:09:44,704 Speaker 1: when they became adults, are like that was wild. 227 00:09:44,704 --> 00:09:46,144 Speaker 3: Imagine remember when we did that. 228 00:09:46,384 --> 00:09:49,504 Speaker 1: Remember like Shannon like went to lift up Jenny's skirt 229 00:09:49,544 --> 00:09:51,824 Speaker 1: or something as like a joke and she was didn't 230 00:09:51,824 --> 00:09:53,864 Speaker 1: think it was a joke. And then they were both like, okay, outside, 231 00:09:53,984 --> 00:09:58,184 Speaker 1: let's go. And then Tory Spelling, whose dad was Aaron Spelling, 232 00:09:58,424 --> 00:10:00,304 Speaker 1: even though she always said that she or just under 233 00:10:00,304 --> 00:10:02,504 Speaker 1: a fake name whatever, but it's okay because you know 234 00:10:02,544 --> 00:10:05,384 Speaker 1: they're all a group, called her dad and complained about Shannon, 235 00:10:05,464 --> 00:10:08,024 Speaker 1: and then later on she got fired, and Tory Spelling 236 00:10:08,104 --> 00:10:10,984 Speaker 1: later on said that she felt really bad about doing that, 237 00:10:11,024 --> 00:10:13,504 Speaker 1: about going over Shannon's head and getting her fired. But 238 00:10:14,064 --> 00:10:16,184 Speaker 1: it was this huge kind of moment in time of 239 00:10:16,224 --> 00:10:18,704 Speaker 1: like the biggest show in the world, the lead actress leaving. 240 00:10:19,304 --> 00:10:22,304 Speaker 3: Oh my god, this is so much drama because I 241 00:10:22,384 --> 00:10:25,904 Speaker 3: actually didn't know much about Shannon Dohity. I knew her 242 00:10:25,944 --> 00:10:27,424 Speaker 3: more from Charmed. 243 00:10:27,624 --> 00:10:29,384 Speaker 2: Oh yes, well what brings us to Charmed? 244 00:10:29,584 --> 00:10:32,384 Speaker 1: A lot of people have different times in Shannondoy's career 245 00:10:32,424 --> 00:10:34,904 Speaker 1: where they're attached to her, But for me, Charmed was 246 00:10:34,944 --> 00:10:37,144 Speaker 1: like because it was a very young team when this 247 00:10:37,224 --> 00:10:39,264 Speaker 1: show came out, I think it was in primary school, 248 00:10:39,424 --> 00:10:41,824 Speaker 1: was nineteen ninety eight year and it was the biggest 249 00:10:41,824 --> 00:10:44,344 Speaker 1: show on TV and it was so amazing, and she 250 00:10:44,504 --> 00:10:46,984 Speaker 1: was the lead actress of it. And what happened there 251 00:10:47,024 --> 00:10:48,824 Speaker 1: was that Aaron Spelling had kind of been like, oh right, 252 00:10:48,904 --> 00:10:50,704 Speaker 1: let's give you another chance because he knew how much 253 00:10:50,704 --> 00:10:53,384 Speaker 1: people loved her, and she was older now, so she 254 00:10:53,544 --> 00:10:55,744 Speaker 1: was brought on with Holly Marie Combs, who she was 255 00:10:55,784 --> 00:10:59,064 Speaker 1: already very close friends with, and Alyssa Milano and she 256 00:10:59,104 --> 00:11:02,584 Speaker 1: was on the show for three seasons and when she left, 257 00:11:02,664 --> 00:11:05,584 Speaker 1: it was a huge deal because what has actually come 258 00:11:05,624 --> 00:11:07,544 Speaker 1: out in the last couple of months is that there 259 00:11:07,664 --> 00:11:09,664 Speaker 1: was a lot of tension on set, which we kind 260 00:11:09,664 --> 00:11:11,704 Speaker 1: of knew, but what has come out only recently the 261 00:11:11,744 --> 00:11:14,464 Speaker 1: last couple of months, is that Shannondohity said that Elissa 262 00:11:14,504 --> 00:11:18,304 Speaker 1: Milano conspired to have her fired and was like keeping 263 00:11:18,304 --> 00:11:21,584 Speaker 1: documentation was going to sue the network for an unsafe 264 00:11:21,624 --> 00:11:23,824 Speaker 1: workplace if they didn't get rid of her, and so 265 00:11:24,024 --> 00:11:26,104 Speaker 1: that's why Shannon said that she was fired. And then 266 00:11:26,184 --> 00:11:29,264 Speaker 1: Holly Marie Combs came on her podcast and backed her up, 267 00:11:29,304 --> 00:11:31,864 Speaker 1: and that blew up. And then Rose McGowan, who had 268 00:11:31,904 --> 00:11:34,944 Speaker 1: replaced Shannondotty on Chumps, so they never worked together, they 269 00:11:34,984 --> 00:11:37,824 Speaker 1: became friends over the last couple of years, united in 270 00:11:37,864 --> 00:11:40,504 Speaker 1: their hatred of Alyssa Milano, who they all publicly called out, 271 00:11:40,544 --> 00:11:41,904 Speaker 1: and then she said, it wasn't true. 272 00:11:43,264 --> 00:11:45,464 Speaker 3: That that makes me really sad. Charm was one of the 273 00:11:45,504 --> 00:11:48,464 Speaker 3: shows that I watched as a kid. My mom was 274 00:11:48,504 --> 00:11:50,984 Speaker 3: like an adult woman obviously, but because I wasn't that 275 00:11:51,064 --> 00:11:53,744 Speaker 3: many like sex scenes and the violence wasn't too violent, 276 00:11:53,784 --> 00:11:54,824 Speaker 3: so it was going to kind of show that we 277 00:11:54,864 --> 00:11:57,624 Speaker 3: could watch together, so we'd always a counterwn days. Prue 278 00:11:57,664 --> 00:12:00,984 Speaker 3: was her favorite character. So when Prue like quote unquote died, 279 00:12:01,064 --> 00:12:02,984 Speaker 3: don't know how she died, but when she died and 280 00:12:03,184 --> 00:12:04,184 Speaker 3: got replied. 281 00:12:03,784 --> 00:12:05,944 Speaker 1: And she didn't even get a proper I'm still angry 282 00:12:05,984 --> 00:12:07,304 Speaker 1: about this. This is going to not paint me. 283 00:12:07,304 --> 00:12:08,864 Speaker 2: She just like disappeared. This next bit's not. 284 00:12:08,864 --> 00:12:10,104 Speaker 1: Going to paint me in a great light. Just remember 285 00:12:10,144 --> 00:12:13,384 Speaker 1: I was child, so I used to tape Charmed on 286 00:12:13,424 --> 00:12:15,904 Speaker 1: a VHS as in like tape it so that I 287 00:12:15,904 --> 00:12:18,024 Speaker 1: could watch the episode over and over again as a 288 00:12:18,064 --> 00:12:20,544 Speaker 1: kid before the next episode came. And so I had 289 00:12:20,584 --> 00:12:23,384 Speaker 1: taped the last episode that Shannondoherty was on as Prue 290 00:12:23,384 --> 00:12:25,424 Speaker 1: because we didn't know she was leaving, and she just 291 00:12:25,464 --> 00:12:27,304 Speaker 1: gets knocked into a war, but like they get knocked 292 00:12:27,304 --> 00:12:29,464 Speaker 1: into a war of the time, it's fine. Anyway, next 293 00:12:29,704 --> 00:12:32,304 Speaker 1: season it just opens with her funeral, and I kept 294 00:12:32,344 --> 00:12:34,784 Speaker 1: thinking that I had missed the death. So I kept 295 00:12:34,824 --> 00:12:37,344 Speaker 1: going back on this VHS and rewinding it and rewinding it, 296 00:12:37,384 --> 00:12:40,304 Speaker 1: rewinding it, trying to figure out how Prue had died. 297 00:12:40,424 --> 00:12:42,544 Speaker 1: And the truth I learned as an adult later on, 298 00:12:42,624 --> 00:12:44,424 Speaker 1: is that she had died off screen because of an 299 00:12:44,424 --> 00:12:46,664 Speaker 1: onset altercation, and they just never kind of like they 300 00:12:46,744 --> 00:12:47,384 Speaker 1: honored her death. 301 00:12:47,384 --> 00:12:48,304 Speaker 2: But it was just a mess. 302 00:12:48,344 --> 00:12:51,224 Speaker 3: That's so messy. And I do think that in the 303 00:12:51,264 --> 00:12:53,064 Speaker 3: beginning seasons, it was like the three of them, like 304 00:12:53,064 --> 00:12:56,064 Speaker 3: three sisters, but then towards the end, it definitely seemed 305 00:12:56,104 --> 00:12:58,944 Speaker 3: like is it Phoebe Alyssa's character was like the main 306 00:12:59,064 --> 00:13:01,544 Speaker 3: character and the other sisters were the side characters. 307 00:13:01,624 --> 00:13:04,144 Speaker 1: Yeah, there were definitely some kind of altercations around that 308 00:13:04,144 --> 00:13:06,384 Speaker 1: that was obviously kind of an ugly thing to happen 309 00:13:06,424 --> 00:13:08,864 Speaker 1: around the show. But I think also important to remember 310 00:13:08,944 --> 00:13:12,064 Speaker 1: that Shannondoherty has spoken like so beautifully of being on 311 00:13:12,064 --> 00:13:14,464 Speaker 1: that show. She speaks so beautifully still of her fan 312 00:13:14,584 --> 00:13:16,424 Speaker 1: She was still going to fan conventions even in the 313 00:13:16,504 --> 00:13:18,704 Speaker 1: last few months of her life. She and Holly Marie 314 00:13:18,704 --> 00:13:21,424 Speaker 1: Comes are best friends, and she and Rose McGowan have 315 00:13:21,464 --> 00:13:24,144 Speaker 1: become really close friends. So obviously, like it's not nice 316 00:13:24,144 --> 00:13:25,664 Speaker 1: to know the ugly side of it, but there was 317 00:13:25,704 --> 00:13:27,864 Speaker 1: a good side to it too well. Coming up next, 318 00:13:27,864 --> 00:13:30,464 Speaker 1: there was more happening in Shannon Doherty's personal life in 319 00:13:30,504 --> 00:13:32,144 Speaker 1: the last couple of months that we need. 320 00:13:32,024 --> 00:13:33,504 Speaker 2: To touch on, Nana. 321 00:13:34,704 --> 00:13:36,384 Speaker 1: So the next part really pains me to get into 322 00:13:36,464 --> 00:13:38,424 Speaker 1: because I only just want to talk about how much 323 00:13:38,544 --> 00:13:41,264 Speaker 1: I love Shannondoherty as an actress and how much she 324 00:13:41,344 --> 00:13:43,304 Speaker 1: meant to so many people. But I think this is 325 00:13:43,344 --> 00:13:46,224 Speaker 1: something that she talked extensively about in the last couple 326 00:13:46,264 --> 00:13:48,944 Speaker 1: of months of her life, particularly on her podcast Let's 327 00:13:48,944 --> 00:13:50,344 Speaker 1: be Clear. So I feel like it would be a 328 00:13:50,344 --> 00:13:53,584 Speaker 1: disservice to her not to mention her. I'm just going 329 00:13:53,624 --> 00:13:55,264 Speaker 1: to say, potentially jerk of. 330 00:13:55,184 --> 00:13:57,304 Speaker 2: A husband, jerk of her husband. 331 00:13:57,504 --> 00:13:59,464 Speaker 1: They went through. Yes, so she and Kurt asre and 332 00:13:59,544 --> 00:14:02,944 Speaker 1: co and I still married. Knew well, yeah, they technically worse, 333 00:14:02,944 --> 00:14:04,904 Speaker 1: still married when she passed away. That was that was 334 00:14:04,944 --> 00:14:07,384 Speaker 1: some of the issue. So they married in twenty eleven. 335 00:14:07,424 --> 00:14:09,264 Speaker 1: They had like a really public love story, which was 336 00:14:09,304 --> 00:14:11,744 Speaker 1: really nice because she had had like a few kind 337 00:14:11,824 --> 00:14:15,224 Speaker 1: of broken marriages and wild like love affairs. And then 338 00:14:15,224 --> 00:14:17,824 Speaker 1: in twenty eleven, people thought she was really happy with 339 00:14:17,864 --> 00:14:19,304 Speaker 1: this guy, So that was nice. Like I said, you 340 00:14:19,304 --> 00:14:23,544 Speaker 1: can't underrestraate how much people attach themselves to a character directress, 341 00:14:23,624 --> 00:14:25,904 Speaker 1: especially someone who in that time, you know, when had 342 00:14:25,944 --> 00:14:27,584 Speaker 1: a TV show and it was like the one TV 343 00:14:27,704 --> 00:14:30,624 Speaker 1: show that everyone watched, like Charmed was like nine oh 344 00:14:30,664 --> 00:14:33,624 Speaker 1: two one oh was And so there was this happiness 345 00:14:33,664 --> 00:14:36,584 Speaker 1: that she had found him. But then in twenty twenty three, 346 00:14:36,664 --> 00:14:39,064 Speaker 1: she shared that she alleged he was having an affair 347 00:14:39,384 --> 00:14:41,304 Speaker 1: for a very extensive amount of time. 348 00:14:41,064 --> 00:14:42,344 Speaker 3: After she was diagnosed with cancer. 349 00:14:42,384 --> 00:14:44,384 Speaker 1: After she was diagnosed with cancer, she found it he'd 350 00:14:44,384 --> 00:14:46,824 Speaker 1: been having an affair, and she was saying that on 351 00:14:46,864 --> 00:14:48,344 Speaker 1: the day she found out, she was meant to go 352 00:14:48,384 --> 00:14:51,424 Speaker 1: in for a surgery for the cancer early the next morning, 353 00:14:51,544 --> 00:14:53,824 Speaker 1: and then she found out that night that her husband 354 00:14:54,144 --> 00:14:57,464 Speaker 1: had been having an affair for over two years, and 355 00:14:57,744 --> 00:15:00,424 Speaker 1: it just completely like threw her. She didn't have the 356 00:15:00,464 --> 00:15:02,024 Speaker 1: surgery that day. She had to put it off, which 357 00:15:02,024 --> 00:15:04,624 Speaker 1: is fair enough. She felt really betrayed. Kurt never really 358 00:15:04,624 --> 00:15:07,184 Speaker 1: went public with this, but her publicist alleged that he 359 00:15:07,264 --> 00:15:09,864 Speaker 1: was having an affair with his publicist. So when people 360 00:15:09,904 --> 00:15:12,944 Speaker 1: would con tacked Shannonandoe's publicist, she would refer them to 361 00:15:12,984 --> 00:15:15,424 Speaker 1: Kurt's publicists and say, like, well, they know what's going on. 362 00:15:15,544 --> 00:15:17,344 Speaker 1: I did, like the two of them are together. So 363 00:15:17,424 --> 00:15:20,344 Speaker 1: that was always the allegation, and during their sort of 364 00:15:20,384 --> 00:15:24,144 Speaker 1: back and forth of their divorce, Shannondohity alleged that Kurt 365 00:15:24,264 --> 00:15:26,664 Speaker 1: was not paying her spousal support even though because like 366 00:15:26,704 --> 00:15:28,744 Speaker 1: we said, she didn't have any insurance or anything like that, 367 00:15:28,784 --> 00:15:31,144 Speaker 1: she was living off charmed residuals. The last couple of 368 00:15:31,224 --> 00:15:33,744 Speaker 1: years and doing some appearances. But I wish I would 369 00:15:33,784 --> 00:15:35,824 Speaker 1: have known, I would have had that on replay. Yeah, 370 00:15:35,824 --> 00:15:37,304 Speaker 1: I know, he would have just been playing it over 371 00:15:37,344 --> 00:15:39,304 Speaker 1: and over again. And she couldn't work for such a 372 00:15:39,304 --> 00:15:41,064 Speaker 1: long time. And if you can't work, if you're in 373 00:15:41,184 --> 00:15:43,784 Speaker 1: SAG after which is the Screen Actors Guild, then you 374 00:15:43,824 --> 00:15:45,904 Speaker 1: lose your insurance. You have to make a certain amount 375 00:15:45,904 --> 00:15:48,064 Speaker 1: of money by working every year. So she didn't have 376 00:15:48,104 --> 00:15:50,384 Speaker 1: any insurance even though she'd been an actress for over 377 00:15:50,424 --> 00:15:52,464 Speaker 1: thirty years. So she was saying that Kurt was the 378 00:15:52,504 --> 00:15:55,104 Speaker 1: breadwinner and he should have been paying her spousal support 379 00:15:55,504 --> 00:15:59,064 Speaker 1: and dividing the assets and stuff, and he wasn't doing that. Allegedly, 380 00:15:59,104 --> 00:16:01,144 Speaker 1: he was saying he was bankrupt. But then they were 381 00:16:01,144 --> 00:16:03,184 Speaker 1: seeing his spending reports and it was really huge and 382 00:16:03,184 --> 00:16:05,624 Speaker 1: all this sort of stuff. And then Shannondohy put out 383 00:16:05,624 --> 00:16:07,744 Speaker 1: a statement saying, it is abundantly clear to me that 384 00:16:07,824 --> 00:16:10,304 Speaker 1: Kurt is intentionally delaying settlement in hopes that I will 385 00:16:10,464 --> 00:16:13,544 Speaker 1: not survive the divorce proceedings. So that he kept pushing 386 00:16:13,584 --> 00:16:15,384 Speaker 1: it and pushing it and pushing it and trying to 387 00:16:15,904 --> 00:16:18,704 Speaker 1: make the legal proceedings last longer, knowing that she didn't 388 00:16:18,744 --> 00:16:19,864 Speaker 1: have very long to live. 389 00:16:20,304 --> 00:16:21,624 Speaker 3: And so messed up. 390 00:16:21,744 --> 00:16:23,864 Speaker 1: And from my knowledge, they didn't settle it before she 391 00:16:23,904 --> 00:16:24,624 Speaker 1: passed away, so. 392 00:16:24,544 --> 00:16:27,664 Speaker 3: He got what he wanted essentially. That is so messed up. Yeah, 393 00:16:27,984 --> 00:16:30,504 Speaker 3: I'm glad she said that publicly. I hope it gets 394 00:16:30,504 --> 00:16:31,104 Speaker 3: shamed for it. 395 00:16:31,384 --> 00:16:33,304 Speaker 1: It's a pretty kind of messy thing, and it is 396 00:16:33,344 --> 00:16:35,664 Speaker 1: awful that that kind of story has overtaken. But I 397 00:16:35,704 --> 00:16:37,304 Speaker 1: do think that a lot of the tributes that are 398 00:16:37,344 --> 00:16:39,624 Speaker 1: coming out from people who worked with her are people 399 00:16:39,664 --> 00:16:42,904 Speaker 1: in the industry and fans is hopefully overshadowing that. And 400 00:16:43,104 --> 00:16:45,504 Speaker 1: I should say, I feel like it does a disservice 401 00:16:45,504 --> 00:16:47,864 Speaker 1: to someone when you just kind of make them out 402 00:16:47,904 --> 00:16:50,704 Speaker 1: to be this perfect angel person when they pass away anything. 403 00:16:50,744 --> 00:16:53,184 Speaker 1: We do that sometimes with celebrities, and I don't think 404 00:16:53,224 --> 00:16:55,784 Speaker 1: that's the Shannandoe story at all. By all accounts, she 405 00:16:55,864 --> 00:16:58,864 Speaker 1: was very difficult to work with. She was wild behind 406 00:16:58,904 --> 00:17:01,984 Speaker 1: the scenes, but she is that kind of classic wild 407 00:17:02,104 --> 00:17:05,264 Speaker 1: Hollywood woman who had a lot of different thoughts on 408 00:17:05,304 --> 00:17:07,584 Speaker 1: her behavior as an adult. So I think it's kind 409 00:17:07,584 --> 00:17:09,984 Speaker 1: of important to see both sides to it. 410 00:17:10,504 --> 00:17:13,744 Speaker 3: And we never really got to see her acting in 411 00:17:13,984 --> 00:17:16,904 Speaker 3: modern day like we always refer back to those old shows, 412 00:17:17,184 --> 00:17:19,104 Speaker 3: but we actually don't know what she is like if 413 00:17:19,144 --> 00:17:20,704 Speaker 3: she would have still been acting to this day. 414 00:17:20,784 --> 00:17:21,344 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 415 00:17:21,424 --> 00:17:23,424 Speaker 1: Well, we had a little taste because when Luke Perry, 416 00:17:23,504 --> 00:17:25,664 Speaker 1: who played Dylan on nine O two one to zero, 417 00:17:25,664 --> 00:17:27,504 Speaker 1: when they were kind of one of the big love 418 00:17:27,584 --> 00:17:30,224 Speaker 1: stories of the whole show, when he passed away a 419 00:17:30,224 --> 00:17:32,384 Speaker 1: couple of years ago because he was on Riverdale, Yeah, 420 00:17:32,464 --> 00:17:34,864 Speaker 1: and that was very unexpected. He suffered a stroke and 421 00:17:34,864 --> 00:17:36,504 Speaker 1: passed away, and so they had to figure out how 422 00:17:36,504 --> 00:17:38,744 Speaker 1: to write his character off in a really beautiful way. 423 00:17:38,984 --> 00:17:41,104 Speaker 1: And he had been trying to get Shannon Dohity because 424 00:17:41,104 --> 00:17:43,304 Speaker 1: they had remained friends for so many years. He'd been 425 00:17:43,344 --> 00:17:45,944 Speaker 1: trying to get Shannondoherty on the show, so she got 426 00:17:45,944 --> 00:17:47,584 Speaker 1: of a cameo on Riverdale so they could share the 427 00:17:47,624 --> 00:17:50,184 Speaker 1: screen together one more time, and they couldn't work it 428 00:17:50,224 --> 00:17:53,224 Speaker 1: out with their schedules, and then he very unexpectedly passed away. 429 00:17:53,584 --> 00:17:56,584 Speaker 1: So when Riverdale came back and had to write off 430 00:17:56,584 --> 00:18:00,264 Speaker 1: his character, Shannondohity came on the show and she played 431 00:18:00,664 --> 00:18:04,624 Speaker 1: the woman who his character had died saving, like she'd 432 00:18:04,624 --> 00:18:06,624 Speaker 1: been an accident and he'd saved her life and he 433 00:18:06,704 --> 00:18:09,224 Speaker 1: passed away, and then she was able to have this 434 00:18:09,344 --> 00:18:12,384 Speaker 1: talk with his son on the show and talk about 435 00:18:12,424 --> 00:18:14,264 Speaker 1: how his dad had saved her life and what a 436 00:18:14,264 --> 00:18:16,744 Speaker 1: good person she was, and it was meant to be 437 00:18:16,824 --> 00:18:19,904 Speaker 1: like Shannon Doherty what she would have said about Luke Perry, 438 00:18:19,984 --> 00:18:21,824 Speaker 1: like he saved my life and we loved him, but 439 00:18:21,864 --> 00:18:24,064 Speaker 1: he was always thinking of others. And I think that 440 00:18:24,104 --> 00:18:26,424 Speaker 1: was the last time she had a really big acting role. 441 00:18:26,424 --> 00:18:30,024 Speaker 3: Because she got to be Riverdale. I hope it, and 442 00:18:30,064 --> 00:18:31,504 Speaker 3: I mean it was for Luke Perry. 443 00:18:31,664 --> 00:18:33,744 Speaker 1: I know, well, that was a huge, huge cult show 444 00:18:33,784 --> 00:18:35,464 Speaker 1: that ran for a long time. It was a teen 445 00:18:35,504 --> 00:18:37,824 Speaker 1: show too long, like me nine O two one zero 446 00:18:37,944 --> 00:18:39,824 Speaker 1: was the foundation for shows like that. It was like, 447 00:18:39,864 --> 00:18:41,704 Speaker 1: you know, Luke Perry was a huge part of that show. 448 00:18:41,744 --> 00:18:43,744 Speaker 1: So I think it actually was very fitting that that 449 00:18:43,864 --> 00:18:45,704 Speaker 1: was her kind of last big acting role. Was a 450 00:18:45,744 --> 00:18:48,384 Speaker 1: tribute to her first on screen love. 451 00:18:49,024 --> 00:18:51,864 Speaker 3: A lot of celebrities have been paying tribute to Shannon, 452 00:18:52,024 --> 00:18:54,344 Speaker 3: and we rounded them all up in one article that 453 00:18:54,584 --> 00:18:56,704 Speaker 3: we were link in our show notes. Also, if you 454 00:18:56,744 --> 00:19:00,584 Speaker 3: want more content on Shannondohity mum be out Louder actually 455 00:19:00,624 --> 00:19:05,464 Speaker 3: doing an episode revolving around Shannon's marriage and the unraveling 456 00:19:05,544 --> 00:19:07,624 Speaker 3: of all of that. We will link that episode in 457 00:19:07,664 --> 00:19:09,824 Speaker 3: our Shannets. Thank you so much for listening to this 458 00:19:09,864 --> 00:19:12,064 Speaker 3: spill to day. We will be back in your podcast 459 00:19:12,064 --> 00:19:13,624 Speaker 3: feed at three pm tomorrow. 460 00:19:13,664 --> 00:19:14,624 Speaker 2: Bye bye 461 00:19:19,224 --> 00:19:19,264 Speaker 1: It