1 00:00:08,234 --> 00:00:10,434 Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia. 2 00:00:10,353 --> 00:00:21,314 Speaker 2: Podcast from Mamma Mia. Welcome to This Spill, your daily 3 00:00:21,354 --> 00:00:24,834 Speaker 2: pop culture fixed. I'm Laura Brodneck and today I'm joined. 4 00:00:24,554 --> 00:00:28,194 Speaker 1: By Manitia Swarren and yeah, in the hot seat with 5 00:00:28,234 --> 00:00:30,434 Speaker 1: you today, Laura, it's we see you from this angle. 6 00:00:30,154 --> 00:00:32,194 Speaker 2: Out of I know. I just made you check before 7 00:00:32,234 --> 00:00:33,714 Speaker 2: we start it because I don't know if anyone of 8 00:00:33,714 --> 00:00:35,193 Speaker 2: our listeners would believe this. I'm a bit of a 9 00:00:35,234 --> 00:00:37,354 Speaker 2: diva behind the scenes. I try to hide it on 10 00:00:37,394 --> 00:00:39,914 Speaker 2: the pod, but I usually make you check my hair, 11 00:00:39,994 --> 00:00:42,793 Speaker 2: my makeup, my clothes before we start filming. And so 12 00:00:42,833 --> 00:00:44,714 Speaker 2: you're in a different angle today. How do I look? 13 00:00:45,034 --> 00:00:47,074 Speaker 1: You look great? And for anyone who doesn't know I'm 14 00:00:47,074 --> 00:00:49,193 Speaker 1: producer of the Spill, I don't just follow her around 15 00:00:49,233 --> 00:00:51,953 Speaker 1: in the ope, say that we did not just to 16 00:00:51,994 --> 00:00:54,594 Speaker 1: have Fangila Laura who follows her around checking her Yeah. 17 00:00:54,754 --> 00:00:56,474 Speaker 2: Yes, And I'm sure this is why people tuned in 18 00:00:56,514 --> 00:00:58,954 Speaker 2: today to hear about my diva behavior behind the scenes 19 00:00:58,994 --> 00:01:00,634 Speaker 2: when one sees the worst of it. But we're actually 20 00:01:00,674 --> 00:01:02,953 Speaker 2: here to talk about the best new TV shows and 21 00:01:03,034 --> 00:01:04,994 Speaker 2: movies that have been released this week. Because it is 22 00:01:05,034 --> 00:01:07,434 Speaker 2: we can watch You're filling in for Emily, who is 23 00:01:07,474 --> 00:01:11,114 Speaker 2: off on a Gallivanti lovely holiday. So we'll say at 24 00:01:11,154 --> 00:01:14,834 Speaker 2: the top that yes, Emerald Fanelle's Wathering Hids, starring Margot 25 00:01:14,874 --> 00:01:17,474 Speaker 2: Robbie and Jacob Alordie, after what feels like the world's 26 00:01:17,514 --> 00:01:20,674 Speaker 2: longest and most intense press tour and build up, is 27 00:01:20,674 --> 00:01:22,394 Speaker 2: in cinemas. Now. We're not going to get into our 28 00:01:22,434 --> 00:01:24,994 Speaker 2: thoughts today because there is simply not time. 29 00:01:25,474 --> 00:01:25,794 Speaker 1: There is. 30 00:01:26,074 --> 00:01:28,234 Speaker 2: We have so much to say, we have so much 31 00:01:28,274 --> 00:01:31,234 Speaker 2: to discuss, we have good opinions, we have on popular opinions. 32 00:01:31,434 --> 00:01:34,234 Speaker 2: So instead of having the world's longest week can watch, 33 00:01:34,274 --> 00:01:36,234 Speaker 2: We're just going to do a brutally honest review next 34 00:01:36,234 --> 00:01:38,554 Speaker 2: week of the movie exactly. So if you're going to 35 00:01:38,554 --> 00:01:40,914 Speaker 2: the cinema, which I feel like every single friend that 36 00:01:40,954 --> 00:01:43,554 Speaker 2: I know is going to the cinema a week, that 37 00:01:43,634 --> 00:01:45,874 Speaker 2: is such actually clever, and this is what Margot Robbie 38 00:01:45,874 --> 00:01:48,394 Speaker 2: and her production company does so well. So obviously like 39 00:01:48,674 --> 00:01:50,874 Speaker 2: she did this a lot with Bubbie and also even 40 00:01:50,914 --> 00:01:52,794 Speaker 2: with things like Saltburn and stuff, she's really good at 41 00:01:52,794 --> 00:01:55,914 Speaker 2: creating a spectacle an event, and that's why they really 42 00:01:55,954 --> 00:01:58,434 Speaker 2: wanted Wathering Heights to come out now, even though it's 43 00:01:58,474 --> 00:02:01,794 Speaker 2: like not the best time for like awards or Oscar contention. 44 00:02:02,034 --> 00:02:04,434 Speaker 2: It's also not in the summer blockbuster period, but they 45 00:02:04,474 --> 00:02:07,554 Speaker 2: wanted everyone to see it on Valentine's Day, on times 46 00:02:07,594 --> 00:02:08,793 Speaker 2: day your friend is doing that. 47 00:02:08,874 --> 00:02:11,554 Speaker 1: It's a real Gallantines movie. I feel like I've been 48 00:02:11,594 --> 00:02:13,474 Speaker 1: I've never been invited to anything as much as I've 49 00:02:13,474 --> 00:02:15,074 Speaker 1: been invited by friend groups to. 50 00:02:15,073 --> 00:02:17,114 Speaker 2: See this movie. Now one's invited me. What does that 51 00:02:17,154 --> 00:02:17,954 Speaker 2: say about my friend? 52 00:02:18,074 --> 00:02:19,674 Speaker 1: They know that you're seeing it for work, but it's. 53 00:02:19,554 --> 00:02:23,394 Speaker 2: Still like to be asked, just included in the gallantine 54 00:02:23,514 --> 00:02:24,954 Speaker 2: stage trip to the cinema. 55 00:02:25,034 --> 00:02:26,994 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, if you do watch it this weekend and 56 00:02:27,034 --> 00:02:29,394 Speaker 1: you can't wait to hear all the thoughts and all 57 00:02:29,394 --> 00:02:32,034 Speaker 1: the unpacking of the million things that I'm sure you 58 00:02:32,114 --> 00:02:36,154 Speaker 1: Laura Brodney, you'll have to check buck in the spill 59 00:02:36,234 --> 00:02:38,314 Speaker 1: feed next week because that'll be coming next Friday. 60 00:02:38,474 --> 00:02:41,154 Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, so now we've got that out of the way. 61 00:02:41,194 --> 00:02:43,914 Speaker 2: That's sexy housekeeping. What is your recommendation for this week? 62 00:02:44,154 --> 00:02:46,994 Speaker 1: So my recommendation is a show that came out on 63 00:02:47,074 --> 00:02:48,274 Speaker 1: Binge on Sunday. 64 00:02:48,434 --> 00:02:52,914 Speaker 3: It's called The Urbs Welcome to Ashfield Place. The safest 65 00:02:52,954 --> 00:02:56,194 Speaker 3: town in America. You went from city life to law 66 00:02:56,234 --> 00:03:01,194 Speaker 3: and so fast. So what's the deal with that old 67 00:03:01,274 --> 00:03:04,634 Speaker 3: Victorian house. I've been whispers of. 68 00:03:05,634 --> 00:03:07,954 Speaker 1: Girl from the suburbs disappeared. He was a thin air. 69 00:03:08,354 --> 00:03:10,913 Speaker 1: He's hiding something. I think we should investigate. 70 00:03:11,074 --> 00:03:12,234 Speaker 2: I feel like you're Lock Holmes. 71 00:03:12,314 --> 00:03:13,514 Speaker 1: I think, if anything, I'd be show locked. 72 00:03:13,514 --> 00:03:14,394 Speaker 3: Homes don't act. 73 00:03:15,634 --> 00:03:18,194 Speaker 1: So this is starring Kiki Palmer and Jack Whitehall. 74 00:03:18,274 --> 00:03:20,874 Speaker 2: So is that the first pairing that's ever happened? 75 00:03:21,074 --> 00:03:21,594 Speaker 3: It is. 76 00:03:21,834 --> 00:03:23,994 Speaker 2: They're the kind of people who, like, if I'm feeling down, 77 00:03:24,034 --> 00:03:26,154 Speaker 2: I'll just jump on TikTok and just search their names, 78 00:03:26,434 --> 00:03:28,074 Speaker 2: Like I just realized I do that, so Jack and 79 00:03:28,114 --> 00:03:31,434 Speaker 2: for Kiki because just their like presence on like talk shows, 80 00:03:31,554 --> 00:03:33,634 Speaker 2: or like their comedy bits, or like just like anytime 81 00:03:33,794 --> 00:03:35,594 Speaker 2: a camera is on them, those two are funny. 82 00:03:35,674 --> 00:03:38,074 Speaker 1: Well, I feel like that after set day dinners would 83 00:03:38,074 --> 00:03:39,714 Speaker 1: have been fun if they went out for dinner. I 84 00:03:39,754 --> 00:03:42,394 Speaker 1: actually side note came to Kiki Palmer in kind of 85 00:03:42,394 --> 00:03:45,914 Speaker 1: a weird way. So during the depths of COVID, I 86 00:03:45,954 --> 00:03:48,474 Speaker 1: don't know if you ever watched on this streaming service 87 00:03:48,514 --> 00:03:51,354 Speaker 1: called Quibi. It was a very short lived streaming. No. 88 00:03:51,434 --> 00:03:53,234 Speaker 2: I remember that because it was a big deal when 89 00:03:53,234 --> 00:03:53,754 Speaker 2: it came out. 90 00:03:53,754 --> 00:03:55,674 Speaker 1: Where did it go? It was only around for like 91 00:03:55,754 --> 00:03:58,994 Speaker 1: six months before I got the two week free trial 92 00:03:59,034 --> 00:04:01,714 Speaker 1: and proceeded to watch every piece of content ever uploaded 93 00:04:01,714 --> 00:04:04,914 Speaker 1: onto Quibi Wow, one of which was a dating game 94 00:04:04,994 --> 00:04:07,714 Speaker 1: show called Singled Out hosted by Keky Palmer. 95 00:04:07,754 --> 00:04:09,554 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I can't believe I didn't know that existed. 96 00:04:09,554 --> 00:04:10,714 Speaker 2: I would have watched the shit out of that. 97 00:04:10,794 --> 00:04:13,034 Speaker 1: I watched like a twenty episodes in one sime and 98 00:04:13,074 --> 00:04:14,794 Speaker 1: I was like, this girl is so fun. I need 99 00:04:14,834 --> 00:04:16,633 Speaker 1: to like watch everything that she's in. So that was 100 00:04:16,674 --> 00:04:19,474 Speaker 1: my journey to keep Kalma. But anyway, this show is 101 00:04:19,514 --> 00:04:22,953 Speaker 1: a little bit different. It's a dark comedy about a 102 00:04:23,034 --> 00:04:25,834 Speaker 1: young married couple. Their names are Samirah and Rob played 103 00:04:25,834 --> 00:04:28,794 Speaker 1: by Keiki Palmer and Jack Whitehall, and they move back 104 00:04:28,834 --> 00:04:30,673 Speaker 1: to the suburbs. They were living in the big city. 105 00:04:30,794 --> 00:04:33,033 Speaker 1: Now they've had a baby and they're moving back to 106 00:04:33,073 --> 00:04:35,154 Speaker 1: the suburb that he grew up in. For some reason, 107 00:04:35,154 --> 00:04:37,394 Speaker 1: his parents have just left them their house that they're 108 00:04:37,433 --> 00:04:39,034 Speaker 1: gonna they're off show there and they're just going to 109 00:04:39,113 --> 00:04:40,993 Speaker 1: live in this really big, beautiful house and raise their 110 00:04:41,073 --> 00:04:43,473 Speaker 1: child in this place called Hinckley Hills. So it is 111 00:04:43,513 --> 00:04:45,474 Speaker 1: like the epitome of the suburbs. That's why it's called 112 00:04:45,474 --> 00:04:49,113 Speaker 1: the Urbs. It's actually adapted from the nineteen eighty nine 113 00:04:49,433 --> 00:04:51,593 Speaker 1: film by the same name, which has Tom Hanks and 114 00:04:51,633 --> 00:04:54,513 Speaker 1: Carrie Fisher, and actually Tom Hanks has a very very 115 00:04:54,553 --> 00:04:56,354 Speaker 1: tiny I don't know if you'd call it cameo, but 116 00:04:56,354 --> 00:04:59,274 Speaker 1: there's a nod to him, so keep all I love that, Yeah, okay, Yeah, 117 00:04:59,313 --> 00:05:02,113 Speaker 1: So basically they're adjusting to this quiet life and this 118 00:05:02,154 --> 00:05:04,393 Speaker 1: little cul de sac that they live in. There's you know, 119 00:05:04,513 --> 00:05:06,753 Speaker 1: a few odd characters around town, and there is this 120 00:05:06,873 --> 00:05:10,154 Speaker 1: very creepy house across the road and a very creepy 121 00:05:10,234 --> 00:05:11,513 Speaker 1: neighbor who moves in. 122 00:05:11,513 --> 00:05:15,993 Speaker 2: A classic trope that it always works a creepy house. Yeah. 123 00:05:16,034 --> 00:05:17,993 Speaker 1: So basically there's all these mysteries and talk in the 124 00:05:18,034 --> 00:05:20,833 Speaker 1: town of like quite sinister stuff that they think happened. 125 00:05:20,873 --> 00:05:23,553 Speaker 1: So DEATHI related stuff in this house. I won't spoil 126 00:05:23,594 --> 00:05:26,313 Speaker 1: too much, but basically, yeah, and Kiki Palmer, her character 127 00:05:26,433 --> 00:05:28,113 Speaker 1: was a lawyer. She's a big city lawyer, but now 128 00:05:28,113 --> 00:05:30,153 Speaker 1: she's on Matt Lee, so she's sort of adjusting to 129 00:05:30,234 --> 00:05:32,433 Speaker 1: being around the house, and she obviously needs a little project, 130 00:05:32,433 --> 00:05:33,873 Speaker 1: so she wants to get to the bottom of this. 131 00:05:33,953 --> 00:05:36,553 Speaker 1: She wants to know what's happening in that house. And 132 00:05:36,674 --> 00:05:38,914 Speaker 1: one thing that I really enjoyed is I love when 133 00:05:39,393 --> 00:05:41,393 Speaker 1: a big city character moved to the suburbs and then 134 00:05:41,433 --> 00:05:43,314 Speaker 1: they're just getting used to all the fun neighbors. The 135 00:05:44,354 --> 00:05:46,474 Speaker 1: characters is like your More Girls, you know, like all 136 00:05:46,474 --> 00:05:47,834 Speaker 1: the weird little characters around town. 137 00:05:47,953 --> 00:05:49,314 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love that. Okay, you had met 138 00:05:49,313 --> 00:05:52,513 Speaker 2: Gilmore Girls. I mean, not a similar show to anyone, 139 00:05:53,513 --> 00:05:56,034 Speaker 2: but yeah, she's getting tuney into this show and then 140 00:05:56,113 --> 00:05:57,633 Speaker 2: like being like, it's just like Gilmore Girl, and. 141 00:05:57,594 --> 00:05:59,914 Speaker 1: Everyone's like, it's absolutely not. They have She gets to 142 00:05:59,914 --> 00:06:01,674 Speaker 1: know her neighbors. They have little wines on the porch, 143 00:06:01,714 --> 00:06:04,113 Speaker 1: they have little discussion. They sort of become her community 144 00:06:04,113 --> 00:06:05,753 Speaker 1: a little bit as she's you know, adjusting to this 145 00:06:05,794 --> 00:06:08,673 Speaker 1: whole new life. So yeah, really enjoyed it. As you said, 146 00:06:08,753 --> 00:06:11,914 Speaker 1: great casting, very interesting pairing. I mean, it is set 147 00:06:11,953 --> 00:06:15,633 Speaker 1: in America, and Jack Whitehall does just seem so British. 148 00:06:15,193 --> 00:06:17,833 Speaker 2: But oh yeah, he sometimes tries to be American and 149 00:06:17,873 --> 00:06:20,073 Speaker 2: it doesn't oil it always work. But I'll give that 150 00:06:20,113 --> 00:06:22,074 Speaker 2: boy a pass for anything, just like he's just having 151 00:06:22,113 --> 00:06:22,313 Speaker 2: a go. 152 00:06:22,594 --> 00:06:24,674 Speaker 1: He's just having a good time, and he gives such 153 00:06:24,753 --> 00:06:27,034 Speaker 1: classic dad energy. And it's like the way they've moved 154 00:06:27,073 --> 00:06:28,794 Speaker 1: to the suburbs, they're raising their kid. I'm like, no 155 00:06:28,794 --> 00:06:31,473 Speaker 1: one's ever been more of just like a white middle 156 00:06:31,513 --> 00:06:34,834 Speaker 1: aged yeah dad as Jack White. He's the perfect casting. 157 00:06:35,073 --> 00:06:37,833 Speaker 1: They're great together. So it's eight episodes, it's all out 158 00:06:37,873 --> 00:06:40,433 Speaker 1: now so you can literally binge it on binge And yeah, 159 00:06:40,474 --> 00:06:42,033 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it. I feel like it was something 160 00:06:42,234 --> 00:06:43,834 Speaker 1: like a little bit different to what I would normally watch. 161 00:06:43,873 --> 00:06:45,393 Speaker 1: But it came out on Sunday, and I just needed 162 00:06:45,393 --> 00:06:47,274 Speaker 1: a bit of a start of the week Sunday night, 163 00:06:47,354 --> 00:06:50,033 Speaker 1: get rid of the Sunday scaries. You know, not too heavy, 164 00:06:50,034 --> 00:06:51,914 Speaker 1: but there's enough going on that keeps you interested to 165 00:06:52,073 --> 00:06:52,953 Speaker 1: know what happens next. 166 00:06:53,034 --> 00:06:56,113 Speaker 2: Okay, perfect. I don't always love like a mystery when 167 00:06:56,154 --> 00:06:58,193 Speaker 2: it's like that whole like mystery neighborhood drama thing. But 168 00:06:58,193 --> 00:06:59,793 Speaker 2: I think I have to watch it just for the casting. 169 00:07:00,113 --> 00:07:01,633 Speaker 2: And he used two kids to be together. 170 00:07:01,753 --> 00:07:04,714 Speaker 1: It's an unconventional casting. It's not like a sexy spots 171 00:07:04,714 --> 00:07:07,593 Speaker 1: flag kind of casting. Don't like Yeah, it's more like 172 00:07:07,594 --> 00:07:09,154 Speaker 1: I can see you guys having a good time together 173 00:07:09,193 --> 00:07:10,234 Speaker 1: with the young married couples. 174 00:07:10,274 --> 00:07:12,834 Speaker 2: Okay, on binge, on binge, Okay, good to know. I'll 175 00:07:12,834 --> 00:07:16,713 Speaker 2: add it to the list. Okay. My recommendation is one 176 00:07:16,794 --> 00:07:19,353 Speaker 2: I've been waiting to talk about for so long because 177 00:07:19,354 --> 00:07:22,194 Speaker 2: there has been so much build up. There was the casting, 178 00:07:22,234 --> 00:07:24,273 Speaker 2: that was the first set photos, and then it was 179 00:07:24,274 --> 00:07:28,153 Speaker 2: followed by scandal and intrigue, and now it's finally here 180 00:07:28,314 --> 00:07:31,394 Speaker 2: and it is the latest addition to the Ryan Murphy 181 00:07:31,554 --> 00:07:33,833 Speaker 2: TV universe American love story? 182 00:07:33,994 --> 00:07:34,794 Speaker 3: Do youf K? Junior? 183 00:07:34,834 --> 00:07:36,033 Speaker 2: Was just here to see Carolyn? 184 00:07:36,194 --> 00:07:37,754 Speaker 1: How old were you when you realize you were the 185 00:07:37,794 --> 00:07:38,554 Speaker 1: time I'm a president. 186 00:07:38,794 --> 00:07:40,754 Speaker 3: I don't think anyone's ever asked me that before. 187 00:07:41,274 --> 00:07:43,953 Speaker 2: There's a lot of trade off being with someone like that. 188 00:07:45,074 --> 00:07:48,714 Speaker 1: Every story needs an angle. A happy couple doesn't sell papers. 189 00:07:49,514 --> 00:07:51,393 Speaker 1: It's not a question of if I want to spend 190 00:07:51,393 --> 00:07:53,754 Speaker 1: the rest of my life with you. It's a question 191 00:07:53,874 --> 00:07:56,154 Speaker 1: of if I'm cut out to be missus JFK. 192 00:07:56,354 --> 00:07:56,714 Speaker 3: Junior. 193 00:07:58,154 --> 00:08:00,593 Speaker 2: So Ryan Murphy, of course, I guess people would know 194 00:08:00,714 --> 00:08:03,314 Speaker 2: his like really early work like Nick Tuck and Glee, 195 00:08:03,354 --> 00:08:05,434 Speaker 2: But where I think he really hit. His strite as 196 00:08:05,434 --> 00:08:08,353 Speaker 2: a creator, Isn't this like he's obsessed with like pop 197 00:08:08,393 --> 00:08:12,033 Speaker 2: culture and like Americana and like all that and Hollywood. 198 00:08:12,074 --> 00:08:14,593 Speaker 2: He's obsessed with all that. So this is his latest 199 00:08:14,714 --> 00:08:17,393 Speaker 2: entry to like the American universe that he's been building. 200 00:08:17,393 --> 00:08:20,794 Speaker 2: So obviously we had American Horror Story, which most of 201 00:08:20,794 --> 00:08:23,194 Speaker 2: that is great. It's petered off in recent seasons, but 202 00:08:23,354 --> 00:08:25,154 Speaker 2: the first I'm going to say, like five seasons are 203 00:08:25,154 --> 00:08:28,394 Speaker 2: top tier TV. Then we had American Crime Story, where 204 00:08:28,474 --> 00:08:31,114 Speaker 2: he's like done like fictionalized versions of like the oj 205 00:08:31,234 --> 00:08:34,794 Speaker 2: Simpson Trial, like Monaka Lewinsky's scandal. And he also has 206 00:08:34,834 --> 00:08:37,074 Speaker 2: done Feud, which is like really getting into like the 207 00:08:37,114 --> 00:08:39,834 Speaker 2: feuds between like some of like the biggest stars in Hollywood, 208 00:08:39,834 --> 00:08:43,234 Speaker 2: in these upper echelons of society. But now he's transitioned 209 00:08:43,274 --> 00:08:47,554 Speaker 2: into American Love Story. And American Love Story tells the 210 00:08:47,634 --> 00:08:51,194 Speaker 2: story of John F. Kennedy Junior and Carolyn Bassett Kennedy 211 00:08:51,234 --> 00:08:53,674 Speaker 2: and their romance. And you'll cross these two. I know 212 00:08:53,714 --> 00:08:55,394 Speaker 2: you're really young, but also I would just say, you know, 213 00:08:55,434 --> 00:08:58,034 Speaker 2: I was not really alive, and then here either not 214 00:08:58,114 --> 00:09:00,314 Speaker 2: even you, not even me, and I'm older of the 215 00:09:00,354 --> 00:09:01,314 Speaker 2: Hills according to some. 216 00:09:01,434 --> 00:09:03,834 Speaker 1: I'm famously very young. I do know of it, but 217 00:09:03,834 --> 00:09:05,394 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say I know the details. But when I 218 00:09:05,434 --> 00:09:06,754 Speaker 1: was watching the trailer, I was like, Oh, it feels 219 00:09:06,794 --> 00:09:07,994 Speaker 1: like there's a that went into this. 220 00:09:08,074 --> 00:09:10,474 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And I think what these shows often as 221 00:09:10,554 --> 00:09:12,154 Speaker 2: much as like watching it, like you don't have to 222 00:09:12,194 --> 00:09:14,234 Speaker 2: know who these people are. You could just watch it 223 00:09:14,274 --> 00:09:15,994 Speaker 2: and just enjoy the show for what it is because 224 00:09:15,994 --> 00:09:19,114 Speaker 2: it's a really interesting story and they're interesting characters. But 225 00:09:19,234 --> 00:09:21,394 Speaker 2: I think the joy of like watching a show like 226 00:09:21,434 --> 00:09:24,994 Speaker 2: this is watching it and then immediately like afterwards, don't 227 00:09:24,994 --> 00:09:26,794 Speaker 2: do when you're watching. I hate people who double screen, 228 00:09:27,194 --> 00:09:30,834 Speaker 2: but immediately after woods like googling like what's real? What's not? 229 00:09:30,954 --> 00:09:33,154 Speaker 2: Did that really happen? Where is the real photo of 230 00:09:33,194 --> 00:09:36,314 Speaker 2: her doing that? Because there is so much content around 231 00:09:36,634 --> 00:09:39,834 Speaker 2: John F. Kennedy, Junr and Carolyn Bassett, So they had 232 00:09:39,994 --> 00:09:45,874 Speaker 2: this incredibly public whirlwind fairy tale romance in the nineteen nineties. 233 00:09:46,114 --> 00:09:48,274 Speaker 2: So think like, I'm trying to think of a couple today, 234 00:09:48,314 --> 00:09:51,394 Speaker 2: who would I guess almost like Megan and Harry getting together, 235 00:09:51,554 --> 00:09:53,634 Speaker 2: like when there was like the and he was called 236 00:09:53,634 --> 00:09:56,953 Speaker 2: like the closest thing to American Royalty. So when he 237 00:09:57,034 --> 00:09:58,834 Speaker 2: was like the Bachelor, I think he was even named 238 00:09:58,874 --> 00:10:01,634 Speaker 2: like People Magazine's sexiest man Alive at some stage like 239 00:10:01,754 --> 00:10:05,154 Speaker 2: the Kennedy where yeah, the Kennedys are, and many of 240 00:10:05,194 --> 00:10:08,434 Speaker 2: them would say still are sorry Kennedy the Lens. So 241 00:10:08,514 --> 00:10:11,274 Speaker 2: I guess that like fever and romance of like when 242 00:10:11,434 --> 00:10:14,434 Speaker 2: Prince Harry said he was dating an American actress Megan 243 00:10:14,474 --> 00:10:17,474 Speaker 2: Markle or maybe even recently with Taylor Swift and Travis 244 00:10:17,514 --> 00:10:20,274 Speaker 2: Kelcey of like this football star dating the world's biggest 245 00:10:20,274 --> 00:10:24,074 Speaker 2: pop star. But I do think that John and Caroline's 246 00:10:24,074 --> 00:10:26,194 Speaker 2: love story was actually much bigger than that when you 247 00:10:26,194 --> 00:10:28,914 Speaker 2: look at like the tabloid frenzy around them. 248 00:10:29,114 --> 00:10:31,194 Speaker 1: Also that period of time, I feel like the tabloid 249 00:10:31,194 --> 00:10:33,074 Speaker 1: frenzy was just so different to how it. 250 00:10:33,034 --> 00:10:37,434 Speaker 2: Ever, Yeah, absolutely, and so people just became enamored with them. 251 00:10:37,754 --> 00:10:40,914 Speaker 2: So yeah, they were this hugely popular couple. Obviously, he 252 00:10:40,954 --> 00:10:43,074 Speaker 2: was part of the Kennedy family and people called him 253 00:10:43,074 --> 00:10:45,354 Speaker 2: like the closest thing to American royalty. His father was 254 00:10:45,354 --> 00:10:48,914 Speaker 2: the president and Caroline was a Calvin Klein publicist when 255 00:10:48,914 --> 00:10:51,674 Speaker 2: they met, and they met in nineteen ninety two. While 256 00:10:51,714 --> 00:10:54,354 Speaker 2: he came in for a fitting at Calvin Klein and 257 00:10:54,394 --> 00:10:56,754 Speaker 2: then they just fell it quite madly in love and 258 00:10:57,354 --> 00:11:00,114 Speaker 2: the documentation of their love story, and it was one 259 00:11:00,154 --> 00:11:02,514 Speaker 2: of those things where at first people were like loved 260 00:11:02,554 --> 00:11:04,994 Speaker 2: them and like were celebrating her, but then like the 261 00:11:05,074 --> 00:11:08,114 Speaker 2: pressure on her from like society and bloid people chasing 262 00:11:08,114 --> 00:11:11,034 Speaker 2: her and like ridiculing her became a lot and there's 263 00:11:11,074 --> 00:11:13,474 Speaker 2: like a lot of her friends and family have talked 264 00:11:13,514 --> 00:11:16,434 Speaker 2: about the strain that put on them. But also she's 265 00:11:16,474 --> 00:11:19,314 Speaker 2: one of those people who is like a fashion icon 266 00:11:19,394 --> 00:11:22,514 Speaker 2: and legacy and even now people will still dress like 267 00:11:22,554 --> 00:11:25,234 Speaker 2: her to this day, and people will still call her 268 00:11:25,314 --> 00:11:27,713 Speaker 2: like the epitome of like elegance and cool and like 269 00:11:27,754 --> 00:11:31,034 Speaker 2: the epitome of the like American elegance, with like her 270 00:11:31,354 --> 00:11:34,914 Speaker 2: pair and that really classic style that's even now really 271 00:11:34,954 --> 00:11:36,434 Speaker 2: hard to sort of recapture. 272 00:11:36,634 --> 00:11:38,794 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm actually really excited to watch this because I 273 00:11:38,834 --> 00:11:41,674 Speaker 1: love watching things like, you know, everything about Charles and Diana, 274 00:11:42,114 --> 00:11:44,874 Speaker 1: all those kind of remakes of really really famous love 275 00:11:44,914 --> 00:11:47,394 Speaker 1: stories and how they go about telling those on screen. 276 00:11:47,434 --> 00:11:49,114 Speaker 1: So this sounds like such a great watch. 277 00:11:49,554 --> 00:11:50,554 Speaker 3: Nana. 278 00:11:50,634 --> 00:11:52,154 Speaker 2: I guess one of the reason that people are so 279 00:11:52,274 --> 00:11:55,714 Speaker 2: obsessed with their love story is that they very sadly 280 00:11:55,754 --> 00:11:58,834 Speaker 2: passed away in nineteen ninety nine on a plane crash 281 00:11:58,914 --> 00:12:01,954 Speaker 2: and her sister Lauren was also in the plane and 282 00:12:01,954 --> 00:12:04,754 Speaker 2: they were all killed. And so, oh do you know that? 283 00:12:04,874 --> 00:12:05,794 Speaker 1: No, I didn't know that. 284 00:12:06,034 --> 00:12:08,314 Speaker 2: Oh okay, I mean, sorry to bring that on you, 285 00:12:08,594 --> 00:12:09,154 Speaker 2: but that's. 286 00:12:08,954 --> 00:12:10,714 Speaker 1: What I did. I was expecting this term. 287 00:12:10,954 --> 00:12:11,274 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. 288 00:12:11,394 --> 00:12:13,154 Speaker 2: That's one of the things. It was like, just imagine 289 00:12:13,154 --> 00:12:16,074 Speaker 2: now if like Taylor and Travis, like at the height 290 00:12:16,154 --> 00:12:18,874 Speaker 2: of like their love story and after their iconic wedding 291 00:12:18,874 --> 00:12:21,274 Speaker 2: and people being so invested in love story were both killed. 292 00:12:21,794 --> 00:12:21,994 Speaker 3: Yeah. 293 00:12:22,794 --> 00:12:25,874 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's again like a public outcooring and the grief 294 00:12:25,914 --> 00:12:28,314 Speaker 2: and everything was quite a lot, And that's why I 295 00:12:28,314 --> 00:12:30,634 Speaker 2: think a lot of people were a bit like nervous 296 00:12:30,674 --> 00:12:33,114 Speaker 2: going into this in terms of like the Kennedy said 297 00:12:33,154 --> 00:12:35,114 Speaker 2: that they didn't endorse it and they didn't support it, 298 00:12:35,474 --> 00:12:37,954 Speaker 2: and a few of the members of the Kennedy family 299 00:12:38,034 --> 00:12:39,994 Speaker 2: who are like active in the press and stuff now 300 00:12:40,234 --> 00:12:42,074 Speaker 2: were saying that they felt like Ryan Murphy and his 301 00:12:42,154 --> 00:12:45,554 Speaker 2: production company were trying to like profit off the grief 302 00:12:45,594 --> 00:12:47,794 Speaker 2: and profit off their name. But at the same time, 303 00:12:47,834 --> 00:12:50,634 Speaker 2: people also like it's a really important story and a 304 00:12:50,674 --> 00:12:52,354 Speaker 2: legacy to tell, and a lot of the time when 305 00:12:52,394 --> 00:12:55,794 Speaker 2: people celebrate legacies it is through TV shows, but then 306 00:12:55,834 --> 00:12:58,474 Speaker 2: it was also the castings. It's like when someone tries 307 00:12:58,514 --> 00:13:01,074 Speaker 2: to play like Princess Diana or something like that, everyone's 308 00:13:01,114 --> 00:13:03,314 Speaker 2: always like, no one can do it because no one 309 00:13:03,354 --> 00:13:05,474 Speaker 2: will ever be her. And we kind of had that 310 00:13:05,554 --> 00:13:08,314 Speaker 2: a little bit for this show. John F. Kennedy Junior 311 00:13:08,434 --> 00:13:11,114 Speaker 2: is played by Paul Anthony Kelly, who, from what I 312 00:13:11,114 --> 00:13:13,434 Speaker 2: can tell from the episodes I've watched, did it quite 313 00:13:13,434 --> 00:13:15,154 Speaker 2: a good job and a good look fit. 314 00:13:15,234 --> 00:13:16,314 Speaker 1: I thought from the train. 315 00:13:16,234 --> 00:13:18,154 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they really do try to match them. 316 00:13:18,474 --> 00:13:21,634 Speaker 2: And then Caroline is played by Sarah Pigeon. Okay, you've 317 00:13:21,634 --> 00:13:24,594 Speaker 2: seen a Sarah Pigeon movie, because she's in the new 318 00:13:24,634 --> 00:13:25,754 Speaker 2: I Know What You Did Last Summer? 319 00:13:25,834 --> 00:13:28,394 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I was wondering where I recognized 320 00:13:28,394 --> 00:13:29,754 Speaker 1: her and such. 321 00:13:29,754 --> 00:13:31,514 Speaker 2: Sarah Pigeon is such like a name that you just 322 00:13:31,554 --> 00:13:32,154 Speaker 2: don't forget. 323 00:13:32,354 --> 00:13:32,634 Speaker 4: Yeah. 324 00:13:32,714 --> 00:13:34,754 Speaker 2: It's so funny because when we were watching I Know 325 00:13:34,794 --> 00:13:36,914 Speaker 2: What You Did Last Summer the reboot, when we were 326 00:13:36,914 --> 00:13:38,674 Speaker 2: in the cinema, like you and I were watching that together, 327 00:13:38,714 --> 00:13:40,674 Speaker 2: and I knew she'd been cast as Caroline, and I 328 00:13:40,754 --> 00:13:42,434 Speaker 2: knew she was going to be an American love story, 329 00:13:42,714 --> 00:13:45,114 Speaker 2: and I'm just watching it being like, I don't see it. 330 00:13:45,754 --> 00:13:47,834 Speaker 2: I didn't understand why people are upset. But then when 331 00:13:47,874 --> 00:13:51,154 Speaker 2: I saw her actually playing Caroline on set, I can 332 00:13:51,234 --> 00:13:52,834 Speaker 2: really see it more, and I feel like she kind 333 00:13:52,874 --> 00:13:55,434 Speaker 2: of captures the essence. I mean, everything I know about 334 00:13:55,474 --> 00:13:58,554 Speaker 2: Caroline Kennedy is just through like tabloid pictures or like 335 00:13:58,994 --> 00:14:01,234 Speaker 2: interviews that she's done, or like clips of her walking 336 00:14:01,234 --> 00:14:04,274 Speaker 2: into events and stuff and everything, but she does kind 337 00:14:04,314 --> 00:14:06,434 Speaker 2: of really capture that essence, So I feel like she's 338 00:14:06,474 --> 00:14:10,434 Speaker 2: good casting. People were really upset to about her hair really, 339 00:14:10,474 --> 00:14:12,594 Speaker 2: and I think like even people who styled like the 340 00:14:12,714 --> 00:14:14,954 Speaker 2: real Caroline's hair sort of came out was like, that's 341 00:14:14,954 --> 00:14:17,354 Speaker 2: the wrong blonde because she had this like blonde that 342 00:14:17,674 --> 00:14:20,034 Speaker 2: it's just like people have tried to recreate over the 343 00:14:20,154 --> 00:14:22,154 Speaker 2: years and no one's stylist job. 344 00:14:22,274 --> 00:14:23,754 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. 345 00:14:23,794 --> 00:14:25,514 Speaker 2: And again people were like very and then also very 346 00:14:25,514 --> 00:14:27,594 Speaker 2: on the costumes, like there was a lot of backlash 347 00:14:27,634 --> 00:14:30,434 Speaker 2: they weren't accurate and like they weren't really capturing her style. 348 00:14:30,474 --> 00:14:32,154 Speaker 2: But I think that's what happens when you have someone 349 00:14:32,194 --> 00:14:35,554 Speaker 2: who's become not a person. She's become like a like 350 00:14:35,594 --> 00:14:38,354 Speaker 2: a fixture in history, like a figment of people's imagination. 351 00:14:38,474 --> 00:14:41,274 Speaker 2: Is like perfect stylis elegant woman. 352 00:14:41,554 --> 00:14:43,634 Speaker 1: It's a lot of pressure on whoever takes on roles 353 00:14:43,634 --> 00:14:46,234 Speaker 1: like that. They must just go deep and like just 354 00:14:46,274 --> 00:14:48,234 Speaker 1: watch so much footage of them, look at so many 355 00:14:48,274 --> 00:14:50,994 Speaker 1: pictures how they carry themselves. I can't imagine the work 356 00:14:50,994 --> 00:14:53,914 Speaker 1: that goes into really nailing those sort of impersonations. I mean, 357 00:14:53,954 --> 00:14:56,234 Speaker 1: having watched it, did you think that she did that 358 00:14:56,274 --> 00:14:56,834 Speaker 1: well enough? 359 00:14:57,114 --> 00:14:57,314 Speaker 2: Yeah? 360 00:14:57,354 --> 00:14:57,914 Speaker 1: I think so. Yeah. 361 00:14:58,114 --> 00:15:00,554 Speaker 2: It doesn't feel like she's mimicking her. It doesn't feel 362 00:15:00,554 --> 00:15:04,074 Speaker 2: like a caricature. It feels like lived in character when 363 00:15:04,074 --> 00:15:05,674 Speaker 2: you see her. And a lot of it obviously is 364 00:15:05,714 --> 00:15:07,874 Speaker 2: like we're seeing behind the scenes, like we don't one 365 00:15:07,954 --> 00:15:11,954 Speaker 2: hundred percent know how she reacted to this intense interest 366 00:15:12,034 --> 00:15:14,634 Speaker 2: and like being stalked by paparazzi and stuff. But when 367 00:15:14,634 --> 00:15:17,074 Speaker 2: they meet, like they have this very instant chemistry and 368 00:15:17,354 --> 00:15:19,234 Speaker 2: everyone's like, oh my god, I can't believe he came 369 00:15:19,234 --> 00:15:21,754 Speaker 2: into Calvin Klein. He's here to see Caroline, and like 370 00:15:21,794 --> 00:15:24,634 Speaker 2: she's doing the fitting and then like their first kiss 371 00:15:24,674 --> 00:15:27,154 Speaker 2: and everything is like really romantic. They have really good chemistry, 372 00:15:27,154 --> 00:15:29,754 Speaker 2: which I think is really important. They have great chemistry, 373 00:15:30,114 --> 00:15:32,314 Speaker 2: and then you sort of see their love story as 374 00:15:32,314 --> 00:15:34,034 Speaker 2: it goes along, of like how they fall in love. 375 00:15:34,074 --> 00:15:35,754 Speaker 2: But then she was like, do I even want to 376 00:15:35,754 --> 00:15:37,594 Speaker 2: be part? Like being part of the Kennedy's is a 377 00:15:37,714 --> 00:15:40,834 Speaker 2: huge thing, and I've lost my privacy and I've lost 378 00:15:40,834 --> 00:15:43,874 Speaker 2: myself and used to see him sort of pushing back 379 00:15:43,874 --> 00:15:46,194 Speaker 2: against her family and all this in his family and 380 00:15:46,434 --> 00:15:48,274 Speaker 2: all this stuff. So it's like it's very dramatic. 381 00:15:48,474 --> 00:15:50,194 Speaker 1: It does sound it, I know. In the trailer there 382 00:15:50,234 --> 00:15:52,474 Speaker 1: was a line she said about how I really want 383 00:15:52,474 --> 00:15:53,834 Speaker 1: to be with you, but I don't know if I 384 00:15:53,874 --> 00:15:55,674 Speaker 1: have what it takes to be a Kennedy or something 385 00:15:55,674 --> 00:15:58,394 Speaker 1: along those lines. Yeah, being part of that institution, it 386 00:15:58,474 --> 00:16:01,674 Speaker 1: is very royal family, like Harry Megan one hundred. 387 00:16:01,474 --> 00:16:03,474 Speaker 2: Percent marrying into the royal family, and yeah, I get 388 00:16:03,514 --> 00:16:05,234 Speaker 2: I was gonna make a Markel kind of vibes just 389 00:16:05,234 --> 00:16:07,314 Speaker 2: of things she said in the past of like, yeah, 390 00:16:07,314 --> 00:16:08,834 Speaker 2: I want to be with this person, but I don't 391 00:16:08,874 --> 00:16:11,234 Speaker 2: think I can be in this. You have to essentially 392 00:16:11,274 --> 00:16:14,914 Speaker 2: like lose yourself and like just become another like piece 393 00:16:14,954 --> 00:16:17,914 Speaker 2: of that family. Puzzle and like as much as American 394 00:16:17,954 --> 00:16:20,434 Speaker 2: people like love the Kennedy's and like they're so rich 395 00:16:20,434 --> 00:16:22,514 Speaker 2: and there's so much part of history and they're so powerful, 396 00:16:22,554 --> 00:16:24,114 Speaker 2: there's also like a lot of other like there's a 397 00:16:24,154 --> 00:16:27,834 Speaker 2: lot of strings attached with that, and so I would 398 00:16:27,834 --> 00:16:29,794 Speaker 2: recommend American Love Story if as all of you just 399 00:16:29,794 --> 00:16:31,994 Speaker 2: like any right, it's like so Ryan Murphy because it's 400 00:16:31,994 --> 00:16:34,194 Speaker 2: also like a little bit over the top, a little 401 00:16:34,194 --> 00:16:36,554 Speaker 2: bit pulpy. Also it's a bit fictionalized, like it's not 402 00:16:36,594 --> 00:16:38,354 Speaker 2: I'm sure people watch it and be like, well she 403 00:16:38,394 --> 00:16:40,354 Speaker 2: didn't say that, or like they didn't go there, or 404 00:16:40,394 --> 00:16:42,994 Speaker 2: like their first kiss wasn't here, or like this fight 405 00:16:43,074 --> 00:16:45,274 Speaker 2: they had wasn't captured the right way. But it is 406 00:16:45,314 --> 00:16:47,754 Speaker 2: meant to be a fictionalized story. It's also got some 407 00:16:47,754 --> 00:16:50,474 Speaker 2: classic Ryan Murphy players, so like Naomi, What's is in it? 408 00:16:50,794 --> 00:16:52,874 Speaker 2: Grace Gummer is in it. Grace Gummer of course is 409 00:16:52,954 --> 00:16:55,714 Speaker 2: Meryl Streep's daughter, but she's also plays a lot of 410 00:16:55,794 --> 00:16:58,794 Speaker 2: wild roles in the Ryan Murphy universe. And he loves 411 00:16:58,794 --> 00:17:01,874 Speaker 2: they must really love working together. Well, Ryan Murphy just 412 00:17:01,914 --> 00:17:04,914 Speaker 2: loves getting his people and using them over and over again. 413 00:17:05,154 --> 00:17:08,234 Speaker 2: And he loves people that like have changed pop culture, 414 00:17:08,234 --> 00:17:10,274 Speaker 2: which why he's desperate to work with Kim katas shit 415 00:17:10,354 --> 00:17:12,674 Speaker 2: and like cast her in American Horror Story and then 416 00:17:12,714 --> 00:17:15,394 Speaker 2: created a whole TV show for her. But he also 417 00:17:15,594 --> 00:17:18,793 Speaker 2: loves a NEPO baby, Ryan Murphy, like unashamedly he's like 418 00:17:18,954 --> 00:17:22,154 Speaker 2: Meryl Streep's daughter, put her in, like Cindy Crawford's daughter, 419 00:17:22,234 --> 00:17:23,154 Speaker 2: Let's get her on the show. 420 00:17:23,514 --> 00:17:23,994 Speaker 1: Got to give them. 421 00:17:24,274 --> 00:17:26,794 Speaker 2: Emma Roberts even like NEPO nice. He was like, he's 422 00:17:26,914 --> 00:17:28,834 Speaker 2: very much like get him, get him in here, and 423 00:17:28,954 --> 00:17:30,234 Speaker 2: like that's it's worked out well. 424 00:17:30,354 --> 00:17:32,674 Speaker 1: Will It'll be interesting to see what other love stories 425 00:17:32,714 --> 00:17:35,114 Speaker 1: if this like continues well and goes on what other 426 00:17:35,194 --> 00:17:37,354 Speaker 1: which I'm sure it will. Yeah, what other famous love 427 00:17:37,394 --> 00:17:39,154 Speaker 1: stories they're going to do, and who's gonna be cast 428 00:17:39,154 --> 00:17:41,434 Speaker 1: in those? Because yeah, it's there's so many options they 429 00:17:41,434 --> 00:17:41,914 Speaker 1: can pick. 430 00:17:41,794 --> 00:17:44,634 Speaker 2: From, Yeah, exactly. So yeah, I do recommend it, especially 431 00:17:44,634 --> 00:17:46,074 Speaker 2: if you kind of want to delve into that side 432 00:17:46,074 --> 00:17:48,114 Speaker 2: of history, but also just watch like a Torrid Love 433 00:17:48,194 --> 00:17:51,114 Speaker 2: Story plan and I know you like that, like that 434 00:17:51,474 --> 00:17:54,714 Speaker 2: so American Love Story. It's out now on Disney Plus, 435 00:17:54,874 --> 00:17:57,154 Speaker 2: and I'd say, yeah, like once you finished watching it, 436 00:17:57,194 --> 00:17:59,274 Speaker 2: you just want to go to Google photos of Caroline 437 00:17:59,314 --> 00:18:01,834 Speaker 2: and try and dress like her in this effortlessly chic 438 00:18:01,874 --> 00:18:02,874 Speaker 2: way that none of us can. 439 00:18:03,074 --> 00:18:05,074 Speaker 1: Oh my god, well I can't wait to watch. Thank 440 00:18:05,114 --> 00:18:07,474 Speaker 1: you so much for listening to this fill today, and 441 00:18:07,554 --> 00:18:09,834 Speaker 1: if you love a TV binge, make sure to check 442 00:18:09,834 --> 00:18:12,674 Speaker 1: out our sister podcast, Watch Party as well. It's your 443 00:18:12,714 --> 00:18:15,833 Speaker 1: backstage past to the hottest shows everyone's talking about. 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