1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:15,064 Speaker 1: So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma 2 00:00:15,144 --> 00:00:18,824 Speaker 1: Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that 3 00:00:18,904 --> 00:00:20,664 Speaker 1: this podcast is recorded. 4 00:00:20,304 --> 00:00:28,224 Speaker 2: On From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill, your daily 5 00:00:28,264 --> 00:00:29,264 Speaker 2: pop culture fix. 6 00:00:29,464 --> 00:00:31,784 Speaker 1: I'm m Vernon and I'm Laura Brodnick. 7 00:00:31,984 --> 00:00:36,344 Speaker 2: And on the show today, two very big American celebrities 8 00:00:36,424 --> 00:00:39,504 Speaker 2: are making the move or have made the move to Sydney, 9 00:00:40,224 --> 00:00:42,824 Speaker 2: and one of us is weirdly angry about it. You 10 00:00:42,864 --> 00:00:46,024 Speaker 2: can probably tell which one of us. We're also going 11 00:00:46,064 --> 00:00:48,864 Speaker 2: to be talking about Margo Robbie's interview where she was 12 00:00:48,904 --> 00:00:52,304 Speaker 2: surprisingly candid about a failure of one of her movies. 13 00:00:52,544 --> 00:00:55,424 Speaker 1: But first, so we need to talk about some devastating 14 00:00:55,424 --> 00:00:59,864 Speaker 1: TV news that was announced yesterday. Not devastating for us personally. 15 00:00:59,904 --> 00:01:01,584 Speaker 1: I'm going to speak on behalf of both of us, 16 00:01:01,664 --> 00:01:04,504 Speaker 1: but Gandonoval, that's just not even close. So what this 17 00:01:04,584 --> 00:01:07,064 Speaker 1: is about, just you hang time and I'll explain, okay, 18 00:01:07,104 --> 00:01:10,064 Speaker 1: but devastating to a large number of people who have 19 00:01:10,104 --> 00:01:12,744 Speaker 1: been watching this show for well over a decade. So 20 00:01:12,864 --> 00:01:15,384 Speaker 1: yesterday it was announced that vander Pump Rules, the reality 21 00:01:15,424 --> 00:01:18,864 Speaker 1: show that started in twenty thirteen as a spinoff of 22 00:01:18,904 --> 00:01:21,824 Speaker 1: the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills franchise and then became 23 00:01:22,304 --> 00:01:25,824 Speaker 1: its own crazy reality TV juggernaut all on its own. 24 00:01:26,504 --> 00:01:28,584 Speaker 1: Would be coming back for a new season, but with 25 00:01:28,664 --> 00:01:29,744 Speaker 1: an entirely different cast. 26 00:01:29,864 --> 00:01:32,664 Speaker 2: That is crazy. Are they allowed to do that? That's 27 00:01:32,704 --> 00:01:35,544 Speaker 2: like saying Kardashians are coming back for a next season, 28 00:01:35,544 --> 00:01:36,944 Speaker 2: but none of them will be there. 29 00:01:37,024 --> 00:01:39,624 Speaker 1: But then they're not recasting in the Kardashians, it's the Hiltons. 30 00:01:39,824 --> 00:01:41,824 Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people are feeling that way. 31 00:01:42,064 --> 00:01:44,904 Speaker 1: So what's happened is that the show was successful since 32 00:01:44,904 --> 00:01:47,704 Speaker 1: twenty thirteen. So was Lisa vander Pump who was on 33 00:01:47,864 --> 00:01:50,464 Speaker 1: the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, and she owns a 34 00:01:50,464 --> 00:01:52,584 Speaker 1: whole bunch of restaurants and one of them is Sir 35 00:01:53,024 --> 00:01:56,024 Speaker 1: in La and it is a very famous restaurant, yes, 36 00:01:56,144 --> 00:01:59,304 Speaker 1: very famous from the show especially, And so it was, 37 00:01:59,544 --> 00:02:01,224 Speaker 1: you know, the behind the scenes lives of the people 38 00:02:01,224 --> 00:02:04,904 Speaker 1: who worked there, the service scandal, so many scandals since 39 00:02:04,904 --> 00:02:08,424 Speaker 1: it started in twenty thirteen. And why it really worked 40 00:02:08,504 --> 00:02:10,304 Speaker 1: is that it was calling it lightning in a bottle, 41 00:02:10,384 --> 00:02:12,304 Speaker 1: like something that you just caught in a moment in 42 00:02:12,344 --> 00:02:15,424 Speaker 1: time and you really can't recreate because you had all 43 00:02:15,464 --> 00:02:18,584 Speaker 1: these people who weren't famous, so they would just happened 44 00:02:18,584 --> 00:02:19,984 Speaker 1: to be working at the restaurant and they some of 45 00:02:20,024 --> 00:02:21,304 Speaker 1: them were brought in for the TV show, but they 46 00:02:21,304 --> 00:02:23,944 Speaker 1: weren't you know, popular stars or celebrities who were making 47 00:02:23,944 --> 00:02:26,344 Speaker 1: a TV show, And so it was all the behind 48 00:02:26,344 --> 00:02:28,264 Speaker 1: the scenes of their life. It was their drama, it 49 00:02:28,304 --> 00:02:31,864 Speaker 1: is their romances, all those sort of things, and they 50 00:02:31,904 --> 00:02:34,504 Speaker 1: all became like these huge celebrities in their own right. 51 00:02:34,824 --> 00:02:37,424 Speaker 1: And of course this year they kind of passed over 52 00:02:37,504 --> 00:02:40,464 Speaker 1: from reality TV fame. Like the Bravo universe is its 53 00:02:40,504 --> 00:02:43,864 Speaker 1: own thing, and we're aware of different things happening in 54 00:02:43,864 --> 00:02:45,744 Speaker 1: that universe. But I think for most people, you're either 55 00:02:45,784 --> 00:02:48,384 Speaker 1: a Bravo fan or you're not. But this year they 56 00:02:48,464 --> 00:02:52,184 Speaker 1: kind of crossed over into mainstream media when Scandalval happened, 57 00:02:52,184 --> 00:02:54,344 Speaker 1: which is what you just mispronounced. 58 00:02:53,624 --> 00:02:55,824 Speaker 2: Before Scanner Noble. 59 00:02:55,944 --> 00:03:00,664 Speaker 1: So Tom Scandal and Ariana Maddox were a couple on 60 00:03:00,704 --> 00:03:03,384 Speaker 1: the show. They had been together for over a decade 61 00:03:03,384 --> 00:03:04,904 Speaker 1: and they were like the golden couple of the show. 62 00:03:05,184 --> 00:03:07,704 Speaker 1: And while they were on a break from actually filming 63 00:03:07,784 --> 00:03:10,624 Speaker 1: vander Pump, it was revealed that he was having an 64 00:03:10,664 --> 00:03:14,064 Speaker 1: affair with Rachel Levice, who was another star on the 65 00:03:14,064 --> 00:03:16,504 Speaker 1: show and a very good friend of Ariata's. And I 66 00:03:16,504 --> 00:03:20,104 Speaker 1: remember that just being like breaking news theme because everywhere 67 00:03:20,184 --> 00:03:22,464 Speaker 1: it was absolutely everywhere, even like the New York Times 68 00:03:22,504 --> 00:03:24,464 Speaker 1: and stuff are reported on it, and vander Pump Brawles 69 00:03:24,504 --> 00:03:26,584 Speaker 1: wasn't even filming at the time. They had to like 70 00:03:26,664 --> 00:03:29,304 Speaker 1: pull different TV crews who were filming different shows and 71 00:03:29,344 --> 00:03:31,664 Speaker 1: send them over to try and catch the madness of 72 00:03:31,704 --> 00:03:34,304 Speaker 1: what was happening. And it just became this huge, like 73 00:03:34,424 --> 00:03:37,144 Speaker 1: international news story. It was splashed across the front page 74 00:03:37,144 --> 00:03:40,064 Speaker 1: of all these new sides. So then vander Pump attracted 75 00:03:40,144 --> 00:03:43,864 Speaker 1: a whole big new fan base and everyone was so 76 00:03:43,944 --> 00:03:45,864 Speaker 1: excited for the new season because you're going to see 77 00:03:45,864 --> 00:03:48,944 Speaker 1: the aftermath of what was happening. But it kind of 78 00:03:49,184 --> 00:03:51,824 Speaker 1: was almost the death then of the franchise. I mean, 79 00:03:51,824 --> 00:03:54,184 Speaker 1: I'm speaking as an outsider. I'm sure, like Diehard vand 80 00:03:54,264 --> 00:03:56,984 Speaker 1: Pump Rules that people are screaming into their phones right 81 00:03:57,024 --> 00:03:59,664 Speaker 1: now saying no, you're wrong. But from the outside of 82 00:03:59,704 --> 00:04:01,904 Speaker 1: it is that I was always aware of this TV show, 83 00:04:01,944 --> 00:04:04,864 Speaker 1: but we never really covered it, and there were never 84 00:04:04,904 --> 00:04:07,584 Speaker 1: any screenings events anything like that, But when the new 85 00:04:07,624 --> 00:04:10,224 Speaker 1: season came back this year, there was a huge fan 86 00:04:10,544 --> 00:04:12,664 Speaker 1: screening that I went to an event cinemas. They had 87 00:04:12,744 --> 00:04:16,064 Speaker 1: hired out the fancy cinemas. They had to drink some cocktails. 88 00:04:16,064 --> 00:04:18,624 Speaker 1: We had these amazing gift bags, and like people who 89 00:04:18,624 --> 00:04:21,264 Speaker 1: had never watched the show before, like me, were flocking 90 00:04:21,264 --> 00:04:24,944 Speaker 1: to the screening to see the aftermath. And it just 91 00:04:25,104 --> 00:04:28,184 Speaker 1: couldn't like because Ariana wouldn't film with Tom and there 92 00:04:28,184 --> 00:04:30,024 Speaker 1: was a whole situation. But also, like the people have 93 00:04:30,064 --> 00:04:31,944 Speaker 1: become so famous now they obviously don't work at the 94 00:04:32,024 --> 00:04:35,744 Speaker 1: restaurant anymore, so it's lost that premise that made it 95 00:04:35,784 --> 00:04:36,384 Speaker 1: so popular. 96 00:04:36,624 --> 00:04:39,504 Speaker 2: So it feels like they weren't able to pass what 97 00:04:39,624 --> 00:04:42,904 Speaker 2: the Kardashians could pass, where they became really really big 98 00:04:43,344 --> 00:04:46,104 Speaker 2: main in mainstream news, and like the show had to 99 00:04:46,104 --> 00:04:48,624 Speaker 2: play catch up, and the Kardashians do it really well, 100 00:04:48,624 --> 00:04:50,424 Speaker 2: Like they've become really really big in mainstream news, like 101 00:04:50,424 --> 00:04:52,624 Speaker 2: we see the metal and stuff, and the show doesn't 102 00:04:52,664 --> 00:04:54,944 Speaker 2: necessarily play catch up because there's always something new to 103 00:04:55,024 --> 00:04:55,584 Speaker 2: add to it. 104 00:04:55,944 --> 00:04:57,504 Speaker 1: Yeah, it'sd of felt like it was trying to keep 105 00:04:57,544 --> 00:04:58,864 Speaker 1: them and there's like, oh, this is a bubble of 106 00:04:58,864 --> 00:05:01,184 Speaker 1: friends with like all of these different things. 107 00:05:01,264 --> 00:05:03,144 Speaker 2: That's reality. We're no reality. 108 00:05:03,104 --> 00:05:05,504 Speaker 1: They were in reality. They're these very famous people. And 109 00:05:05,504 --> 00:05:07,824 Speaker 1: also interesting that Arianna and Tom were living in the 110 00:05:07,864 --> 00:05:09,584 Speaker 1: same house for a long time because neither of them 111 00:05:09,584 --> 00:05:11,944 Speaker 1: would move out of his how they owned, but she 112 00:05:11,944 --> 00:05:13,904 Speaker 1: wouldn't film with him, so they were actually nearly never 113 00:05:13,984 --> 00:05:16,544 Speaker 1: on camera together. So that side of it has come 114 00:05:16,544 --> 00:05:17,784 Speaker 1: to an end, and they're going to have a whole 115 00:05:17,824 --> 00:05:20,384 Speaker 1: new cast, like let's just start fresh, start with a 116 00:05:20,384 --> 00:05:22,384 Speaker 1: bunch of fun nouns. It's hard, though, because now people 117 00:05:22,424 --> 00:05:25,224 Speaker 1: are so well versed in how reality TV works, and 118 00:05:25,304 --> 00:05:28,904 Speaker 1: people come in with their pre design characters, they come 119 00:05:28,904 --> 00:05:31,224 Speaker 1: in with their plans of how they're going to sell 120 00:05:31,224 --> 00:05:33,464 Speaker 1: things on Instagram. I think it's really hard now to 121 00:05:33,584 --> 00:05:37,184 Speaker 1: just find those organic storylines when everyone kind of already 122 00:05:37,224 --> 00:05:39,584 Speaker 1: lives their lives through their TikTok accounts and stuff. As 123 00:05:39,624 --> 00:05:40,824 Speaker 1: an influencer already. 124 00:05:41,024 --> 00:05:43,784 Speaker 2: I'm interested to see how this will actually play out 125 00:05:43,824 --> 00:05:45,624 Speaker 2: for them, where there will be success. 126 00:05:45,384 --> 00:05:47,744 Speaker 1: Or not exactly well. Thoughts and prayers with the Vander 127 00:05:47,784 --> 00:05:49,984 Speaker 1: Pumperrules fans out there, difficult day for you. 128 00:05:52,104 --> 00:05:55,824 Speaker 2: Great news, Sarah, Michelle Geller, and Freddy Prince Jr. Have 129 00:05:56,024 --> 00:05:59,344 Speaker 2: moved to Sydney with their children. We also have an 130 00:05:59,384 --> 00:06:03,224 Speaker 2: on the ground scoop that they dined at Chin Chin 131 00:06:03,344 --> 00:06:04,864 Speaker 2: in Surrey Hills last night. 132 00:06:05,144 --> 00:06:08,104 Speaker 1: Right here. We got here there all the time. 133 00:06:09,024 --> 00:06:10,304 Speaker 2: We're not going to be able to get a booking 134 00:06:10,504 --> 00:06:13,104 Speaker 2: fifty million years now like we couldn't for Pellergren in 135 00:06:13,184 --> 00:06:15,184 Speaker 2: two thousand and after Taylor Swift with this, all my 136 00:06:15,224 --> 00:06:18,824 Speaker 2: favorite restaurants they're going to. So apparently the reason for 137 00:06:18,864 --> 00:06:21,584 Speaker 2: the move is because they're filming the reboot too. Well, 138 00:06:21,624 --> 00:06:24,064 Speaker 2: Freddie is filming the reboot too. I know what you 139 00:06:24,104 --> 00:06:24,784 Speaker 2: did last summer. 140 00:06:25,064 --> 00:06:25,904 Speaker 1: So she's definitely not. 141 00:06:25,984 --> 00:06:29,424 Speaker 2: She's definitely not because spoilers, I guess it's been a while, 142 00:06:29,504 --> 00:06:33,424 Speaker 2: but she's been killed off. But she's here with the kids. 143 00:06:33,424 --> 00:06:36,864 Speaker 2: They're having fun. It's unconfirmed whether this is a permanent move, 144 00:06:36,984 --> 00:06:39,984 Speaker 2: but I'm quite interested because I feel like it feels 145 00:06:40,024 --> 00:06:42,544 Speaker 2: like that time in the Pandemic where all the celebrities 146 00:06:42,584 --> 00:06:45,224 Speaker 2: flocked to Byron Bay. Like we saw zac Efron, we 147 00:06:45,264 --> 00:06:47,464 Speaker 2: saw Tom Hanks. I mean he was here because he 148 00:06:47,504 --> 00:06:49,024 Speaker 2: had COVID and he had to stay. But there was 149 00:06:49,104 --> 00:06:51,104 Speaker 2: so many like international celebrities, and it feels like a 150 00:06:51,104 --> 00:06:53,704 Speaker 2: bit exciting. You don't feel excited though. 151 00:06:54,024 --> 00:06:58,144 Speaker 1: Yes, this was big talking office yesterday and everyone's very 152 00:06:58,144 --> 00:07:00,264 Speaker 1: excited about it. First all, can I say I doubt 153 00:07:00,264 --> 00:07:03,464 Speaker 1: they've moved here permanently. I'd say they would just have 154 00:07:03,584 --> 00:07:05,304 Speaker 1: relocated because he's filming here. 155 00:07:05,464 --> 00:07:07,584 Speaker 2: You know what I want them to do? Yeah, Scooby 156 00:07:07,664 --> 00:07:08,824 Speaker 2: Doo three? 157 00:07:09,224 --> 00:07:09,944 Speaker 1: Why do you want that? 158 00:07:09,984 --> 00:07:11,864 Speaker 2: Because I love the Scooby Doo movies are the best 159 00:07:11,864 --> 00:07:15,664 Speaker 2: movies ever, Spookier and morning momentary. 160 00:07:16,264 --> 00:07:19,024 Speaker 1: What do you mean I can't have seven carry on bands? 161 00:07:19,224 --> 00:07:21,904 Speaker 1: That is so economy? No, they have really good movies. 162 00:07:22,024 --> 00:07:24,864 Speaker 1: Matthew Lillard, who played Shaggy, said that they didn't come 163 00:07:24,904 --> 00:07:26,784 Speaker 1: back for a third movie because they didn't offer him 164 00:07:26,784 --> 00:07:28,944 Speaker 1: a lot of money and he was really hurt at 165 00:07:28,944 --> 00:07:31,304 Speaker 1: the time. I'll do it for the girls, man, I 166 00:07:31,464 --> 00:07:33,384 Speaker 1: now might he might do it now he's joined the 167 00:07:33,384 --> 00:07:37,704 Speaker 1: club wind. Yeah. I don't love this news. I've got 168 00:07:37,744 --> 00:07:41,224 Speaker 1: to say I love Sarah Michelle Geller, but I don't 169 00:07:41,264 --> 00:07:45,584 Speaker 1: want to know anything about her existence, right because please 170 00:07:45,584 --> 00:07:47,424 Speaker 1: don't judge me for this, because you've got a judgment 171 00:07:47,464 --> 00:07:49,304 Speaker 1: to look on your face, and clearly you've never loved 172 00:07:49,344 --> 00:07:52,984 Speaker 1: a TV show before. So Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Yes, 173 00:07:53,464 --> 00:07:56,024 Speaker 1: is my favorite TV show in the entire world, but 174 00:07:56,064 --> 00:07:58,544 Speaker 1: it's also one of my favorite things in the entire world, 175 00:07:58,864 --> 00:08:01,984 Speaker 1: and it's a very sacred thing. And in order for 176 00:08:02,024 --> 00:08:05,544 Speaker 1: Buffy and Summers and that universe to like really exist 177 00:08:05,584 --> 00:08:07,784 Speaker 1: as a story and like a real kind of place 178 00:08:07,824 --> 00:08:10,424 Speaker 1: in my mind, I can't know that Sarah Masha O 179 00:08:10,504 --> 00:08:13,704 Speaker 1: Gella exists. And I don't want to know that she's 180 00:08:13,784 --> 00:08:16,504 Speaker 1: bumping around Sydney, that she's going to restaurants near my 181 00:08:16,584 --> 00:08:17,504 Speaker 1: home that I go to. 182 00:08:17,904 --> 00:08:20,824 Speaker 2: And if I me your sacred sanctuary, well, if I lay. 183 00:08:20,744 --> 00:08:23,384 Speaker 1: Eyes on that woman, I will run in the opposite 184 00:08:23,384 --> 00:08:25,224 Speaker 1: direction because I just don't. 185 00:08:25,384 --> 00:08:27,584 Speaker 2: I mean, we're not gonna be going My Chenin. 186 00:08:28,544 --> 00:08:30,384 Speaker 1: Is off our list, buddy. So I've been offered many 187 00:08:30,424 --> 00:08:32,384 Speaker 1: an interview with Sarah Michelle Gella over the years for 188 00:08:32,424 --> 00:08:35,864 Speaker 1: different projects, and I've always said no, and sometimes it 189 00:08:35,904 --> 00:08:37,704 Speaker 1: has put my career in jeopardy in terms of like 190 00:08:37,704 --> 00:08:39,704 Speaker 1: I've had to turn down interviews with a lot of 191 00:08:39,744 --> 00:08:41,744 Speaker 1: stars of my favorite shows. I definitely got into the 192 00:08:41,784 --> 00:08:44,704 Speaker 1: wrong I didn't think this through into the wrong industry 193 00:08:45,144 --> 00:08:47,184 Speaker 1: to be avoiding my favorite Like why. 194 00:08:47,104 --> 00:08:48,984 Speaker 2: Does this woman hate me so much? 195 00:08:49,184 --> 00:08:51,904 Speaker 1: Well, look, obviously stuff about her life has permeated my 196 00:08:52,024 --> 00:08:53,784 Speaker 1: life over the years. Like I know she and Freddie 197 00:08:53,824 --> 00:08:57,424 Speaker 1: Prince Junior are married, I know that she wore Haviana's 198 00:08:57,424 --> 00:09:00,504 Speaker 1: at her wedding. I know that their kids are Grace 199 00:09:00,624 --> 00:09:03,184 Speaker 1: and Rocky. But like that's I don't follow her on Instagram, 200 00:09:03,224 --> 00:09:05,024 Speaker 1: I don't read any interviews with her, I don't watch 201 00:09:05,064 --> 00:09:08,224 Speaker 1: anything with her in it. And the fact that she's 202 00:09:08,264 --> 00:09:11,184 Speaker 1: now walking around Sydney, I just would love her to leave. 203 00:09:11,344 --> 00:09:13,344 Speaker 1: I just don't think that you can have a proper 204 00:09:13,384 --> 00:09:17,144 Speaker 1: favorite TV show if you're also very intertwined with the characters. 205 00:09:17,184 --> 00:09:19,264 Speaker 1: And I had to learn this the hard way by 206 00:09:19,304 --> 00:09:22,944 Speaker 1: interviewing someone else from Buffy the Vampire Slayer before I knew. 207 00:09:23,064 --> 00:09:25,024 Speaker 1: When I first got into journalism and I was writing 208 00:09:25,024 --> 00:09:28,424 Speaker 1: a piece about fandoms and I interviewed Eliza deushqu who 209 00:09:28,424 --> 00:09:32,264 Speaker 1: played Faith in Buffy the Vampire Slayer, a very iconic character. Yes, 210 00:09:32,384 --> 00:09:34,544 Speaker 1: I was so excited about it. And then I interviewed 211 00:09:34,584 --> 00:09:37,184 Speaker 1: her and first of all, it was I think she 212 00:09:37,184 --> 00:09:40,624 Speaker 1: has a restraining order against me because she was talking 213 00:09:40,664 --> 00:09:42,904 Speaker 1: about her life and she kind of got mixed up 214 00:09:42,904 --> 00:09:44,784 Speaker 1: of the timeline of her career in her life when 215 00:09:44,824 --> 00:09:48,624 Speaker 1: she got to college, corrected her and she was quite 216 00:09:48,704 --> 00:09:50,544 Speaker 1: freaked out. And then I think my questioning was just 217 00:09:50,584 --> 00:09:53,944 Speaker 1: so intense. And it's interesting because we were I was 218 00:09:53,944 --> 00:09:56,504 Speaker 1: interviewing her for a piece on fandoms. At first, she 219 00:09:56,544 --> 00:09:58,544 Speaker 1: was acting like we were like on the same page, like, oh, 220 00:09:58,584 --> 00:10:00,104 Speaker 1: these fans are so intense. 221 00:09:59,744 --> 00:10:00,864 Speaker 2: And she's like, oh, you're one. 222 00:10:00,904 --> 00:10:03,824 Speaker 1: And then slowly she started to like freak out around 223 00:10:03,864 --> 00:10:05,424 Speaker 1: me because she's like, oh, no, you're one of them, 224 00:10:05,424 --> 00:10:08,544 Speaker 1: and you've infiltrated this like safe space that I've put 225 00:10:08,544 --> 00:10:10,984 Speaker 1: myself in and now and then I try to rewatch 226 00:10:10,984 --> 00:10:13,984 Speaker 1: Buffy after doing that, and every time I looked at 227 00:10:14,024 --> 00:10:16,344 Speaker 1: this character that I had loved since I was ten 228 00:10:16,424 --> 00:10:19,664 Speaker 1: years old, all I could see was this actress in 229 00:10:19,744 --> 00:10:22,224 Speaker 1: her life and it was just shattered. So I just 230 00:10:22,264 --> 00:10:24,424 Speaker 1: don't think we should interact with our favorite TV characters. 231 00:10:24,424 --> 00:10:26,424 Speaker 1: You should know anything about them. You shouldn't know what 232 00:10:26,464 --> 00:10:28,024 Speaker 1: their kids' names are. You should know that they're in 233 00:10:28,024 --> 00:10:29,984 Speaker 1: Sydney going to Chinchin and. 234 00:10:29,944 --> 00:10:32,704 Speaker 2: She do you have a list of like other actors 235 00:10:32,744 --> 00:10:35,344 Speaker 2: that you will never talk to? Oh my god. We 236 00:10:35,344 --> 00:10:36,184 Speaker 2: should publish that. 237 00:10:36,704 --> 00:10:39,344 Speaker 1: No, I'm Lauren Graham from Gilmore Girls. I get offered. 238 00:10:39,384 --> 00:10:41,664 Speaker 1: I've been offered into her all the time. Absolutely not 239 00:10:41,704 --> 00:10:44,624 Speaker 1: with throw myself in front of a bus first, Yeah, 240 00:10:44,744 --> 00:10:47,384 Speaker 1: Norman readers, I've been offered many times Daryld Dixon from 241 00:10:47,384 --> 00:10:51,144 Speaker 1: The Walking Dead. Absolutely not Dolly Alderton. Remember, Yeah, So 242 00:10:51,224 --> 00:10:52,824 Speaker 1: many of my friends are just like, oh, it's so sad. 243 00:10:52,824 --> 00:10:55,144 Speaker 1: You know I've been able to interview Dolly Alderton. I'm like, no, No, 244 00:10:55,184 --> 00:10:57,504 Speaker 1: I've been offered many times. It's different for her because 245 00:10:57,504 --> 00:11:00,904 Speaker 1: she's not obviously, I know she's a real person. I'm 246 00:10:59,944 --> 00:11:05,384 Speaker 1: not a moron. I know she's a real person. But again, 247 00:11:05,664 --> 00:11:08,184 Speaker 1: I just think sometimes things should just live in a 248 00:11:08,264 --> 00:11:11,624 Speaker 1: separate existence. Like I consume her books, I consume her work, 249 00:11:11,944 --> 00:11:14,104 Speaker 1: I consume the TV show she makes. I don't want 250 00:11:14,104 --> 00:11:17,024 Speaker 1: to sit and interview her and have to. I just 251 00:11:17,024 --> 00:11:19,384 Speaker 1: think things get tainted when you get too close to them. 252 00:11:19,464 --> 00:11:21,064 Speaker 2: I think about this a lot. I think about like, 253 00:11:21,104 --> 00:11:23,064 Speaker 2: if there was an opportunity to ever and to be 254 00:11:23,104 --> 00:11:24,304 Speaker 2: a Mindy Kaling. 255 00:11:24,144 --> 00:11:24,744 Speaker 1: Yeah, would you? 256 00:11:25,624 --> 00:11:29,024 Speaker 2: Well It's hard because I think I would. Yeah, but 257 00:11:29,064 --> 00:11:32,904 Speaker 2: I'd have to go in knowing that she might not 258 00:11:32,944 --> 00:11:35,864 Speaker 2: want to be my best friend. Yeah, and that will 259 00:11:35,904 --> 00:11:37,904 Speaker 2: be really hard for me to understand. 260 00:11:38,144 --> 00:11:39,984 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that when you have fandoms and you'd 261 00:11:39,984 --> 00:11:42,224 Speaker 1: love someone like people say never meet your idols, and 262 00:11:42,264 --> 00:11:45,424 Speaker 1: that came out of being disappointed by them. But I'm 263 00:11:45,464 --> 00:11:47,584 Speaker 1: here to tell you that you can be not disappointed 264 00:11:47,584 --> 00:11:49,584 Speaker 1: by people and it can still ruin it for you 265 00:11:49,624 --> 00:11:53,144 Speaker 1: because then they leave this safety of this fictional world, 266 00:11:53,184 --> 00:11:55,304 Speaker 1: even if it's a real person and the thing abu 267 00:11:55,384 --> 00:11:57,104 Speaker 1: Mindy Kaleen because I have a similar love for her, 268 00:11:57,144 --> 00:11:59,104 Speaker 1: and I feel like that would ruin the MINDI Project 269 00:11:59,504 --> 00:12:01,304 Speaker 1: one of my favorite shows. For me. It's hard. I 270 00:12:01,344 --> 00:12:04,424 Speaker 1: wish someone invent this technology instead of inventing AI to 271 00:12:04,504 --> 00:12:07,104 Speaker 1: like write poems and stuff, someone invent the technology where 272 00:12:07,104 --> 00:12:09,064 Speaker 1: you can do an interview and then erase it from 273 00:12:09,104 --> 00:12:11,144 Speaker 1: your mind afterwardscause I would love to sit down with 274 00:12:11,184 --> 00:12:14,264 Speaker 1: Sara Michelle Geller and just ask her a million questions, 275 00:12:14,744 --> 00:12:16,664 Speaker 1: but then I want to erase it from my mind 276 00:12:16,704 --> 00:12:18,904 Speaker 1: so I don't remember it when I watched Buffy and 277 00:12:18,984 --> 00:12:20,384 Speaker 1: the same with Mindy Kaylor. 278 00:12:21,304 --> 00:12:23,784 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so wild. I think also when we do 279 00:12:23,904 --> 00:12:28,024 Speaker 2: watch interviews of these celebrities, we try so hard to 280 00:12:28,824 --> 00:12:31,984 Speaker 2: like watching, say, for example, an interview with Mindy Kayling, 281 00:12:33,104 --> 00:12:34,664 Speaker 2: a lot of people would be like, oh, she's just 282 00:12:34,704 --> 00:12:37,224 Speaker 2: like Kelly Caapaul or she's just like Mindy La Hairy, 283 00:12:37,584 --> 00:12:39,744 Speaker 2: and I'm like, no, she's not. We're just like wanting 284 00:12:39,784 --> 00:12:40,464 Speaker 2: it to be like that. 285 00:12:40,664 --> 00:12:43,304 Speaker 1: Yeah. I just think we have too much access to 286 00:12:43,904 --> 00:12:46,504 Speaker 1: actors on our favorite TV shows now. Just think now, 287 00:12:46,544 --> 00:12:48,384 Speaker 1: when a TV show comes out back in the day, 288 00:12:48,464 --> 00:12:50,104 Speaker 1: again don't want to sound really well. Back in the day, 289 00:12:50,104 --> 00:12:51,904 Speaker 1: you would just watch the TV show and that would 290 00:12:51,904 --> 00:12:54,504 Speaker 1: be it. And sometimes, like in a magazine, there'd be 291 00:12:54,544 --> 00:12:55,784 Speaker 1: like a picture of someone you'd be. 292 00:12:55,704 --> 00:12:58,144 Speaker 2: Like, oh my god, it's like they live in the teah. 293 00:12:58,344 --> 00:12:59,984 Speaker 1: Yeah, like, oh my god, sir Michelle Gella is like 294 00:13:00,024 --> 00:13:02,624 Speaker 1: on a red carpet, Like that's wild. And it would 295 00:13:02,664 --> 00:13:04,264 Speaker 1: just be this kind of moment, but it wouldn't break 296 00:13:04,264 --> 00:13:06,704 Speaker 1: you out of a show. Now, when a show comes out, 297 00:13:06,744 --> 00:13:09,264 Speaker 1: everyone's following on Instagram. They're seeing all of these like 298 00:13:09,544 --> 00:13:13,104 Speaker 1: in jokes, seeing them make tiktoks on their kids and everything, 299 00:13:13,184 --> 00:13:16,064 Speaker 1: And I just don't think that's what we're supposed to 300 00:13:16,104 --> 00:13:19,304 Speaker 1: be seeing. It's interesting. I was interviewing Harriet Dyer and 301 00:13:19,344 --> 00:13:22,584 Speaker 1: Patrick brammle from Colin from Accounts this year and we 302 00:13:22,624 --> 00:13:24,264 Speaker 1: were talking about that, and they were saying that they 303 00:13:24,544 --> 00:13:27,264 Speaker 1: wanted to like pull back on sharing like their private 304 00:13:27,304 --> 00:13:29,704 Speaker 1: life and pull back on them being like this brand 305 00:13:29,704 --> 00:13:32,664 Speaker 1: as a couple, even though it sells the show, because 306 00:13:32,704 --> 00:13:35,664 Speaker 1: they're just like, we think that like this like their dynamic. 307 00:13:35,704 --> 00:13:38,904 Speaker 1: They were very aware is starting to like overpower their characters, 308 00:13:39,424 --> 00:13:42,504 Speaker 1: and they were very aware of how people are perceiving 309 00:13:42,544 --> 00:13:44,584 Speaker 1: them as their characters instead of the other way around. 310 00:13:44,824 --> 00:13:46,944 Speaker 1: And as they were talking, I was just like, yeah, 311 00:13:46,944 --> 00:13:48,584 Speaker 1: I don't want to be here. I just want to 312 00:13:48,584 --> 00:13:50,984 Speaker 1: watch your show and look at you as these characters 313 00:13:51,064 --> 00:13:53,384 Speaker 1: and not think about you as this married couple who's 314 00:13:53,824 --> 00:13:55,984 Speaker 1: sitting in front of me. So I just again, it's 315 00:13:55,984 --> 00:13:56,624 Speaker 1: a niche problem. 316 00:13:56,704 --> 00:13:58,144 Speaker 2: Let us live in our delusional word. 317 00:13:58,184 --> 00:14:00,224 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an eche problem because we're interviewing these people. 318 00:14:00,224 --> 00:14:02,224 Speaker 1: But I would just like to say to everyone, try 319 00:14:02,304 --> 00:14:05,584 Speaker 1: watching a TV show without following the actors on Instagram 320 00:14:05,664 --> 00:14:08,144 Speaker 1: or TikTok, Try like not reading about their lives and 321 00:14:08,264 --> 00:14:11,744 Speaker 1: just like let the characters exist. And Sarah Michelle Geller 322 00:14:11,784 --> 00:14:16,304 Speaker 1: get out of City our chinchin La Lana So Margo 323 00:14:16,424 --> 00:14:19,504 Speaker 1: Robbie has given a new interview where she addresses the 324 00:14:19,784 --> 00:14:23,304 Speaker 1: very public failure of her twenty twenty two film Babylon. 325 00:14:23,704 --> 00:14:26,064 Speaker 2: I remember that. I haven't watched it, but I remember it. 326 00:14:26,304 --> 00:14:28,424 Speaker 1: Oh you didn't come to the premiere. You were my 327 00:14:28,464 --> 00:14:30,064 Speaker 1: premiere buddy then because you were on the podcast. 328 00:14:30,144 --> 00:14:33,704 Speaker 2: Yeah, this was before my time, but I remember people 329 00:14:33,904 --> 00:14:36,864 Speaker 2: watching it, it not getting really good reviews, and then 330 00:14:37,064 --> 00:14:38,704 Speaker 2: people just pretending it didn't happen. 331 00:14:38,944 --> 00:14:41,984 Speaker 1: The build up to Babylon was very extreme, from when 332 00:14:42,024 --> 00:14:45,584 Speaker 1: the movie was announced and all through what it was filming, 333 00:14:45,744 --> 00:14:48,384 Speaker 1: like information started coming out. It was a thing where 334 00:14:48,384 --> 00:14:51,504 Speaker 1: like a lot of different like insider podcasts and journalists 335 00:14:51,824 --> 00:14:54,864 Speaker 1: were talking about different snippets they'd seen of the film, 336 00:14:54,904 --> 00:14:56,984 Speaker 1: and they were really building it up that it was 337 00:14:57,024 --> 00:14:59,424 Speaker 1: going to be one of the biggest films of the decade, 338 00:14:59,424 --> 00:15:01,584 Speaker 1: that it was going to win all these different oscars, 339 00:15:01,904 --> 00:15:04,224 Speaker 1: And when you saw the cast and also who was 340 00:15:04,384 --> 00:15:06,864 Speaker 1: involved in it, it made a lot of sense that 341 00:15:06,904 --> 00:15:09,224 Speaker 1: this was going to be, you know, a huge movie. 342 00:15:09,224 --> 00:15:12,304 Speaker 1: Events it looked very well, oh absolutely, yea. It was 343 00:15:12,424 --> 00:15:16,184 Speaker 1: a huge, huge budget movie. It was made by Damien Chazelle, 344 00:15:16,224 --> 00:15:19,544 Speaker 1: who had only made films that were very critically acclaimed 345 00:15:19,944 --> 00:15:23,064 Speaker 1: prior to this, so Whiplash and also La La Land. 346 00:15:23,424 --> 00:15:25,344 Speaker 1: So the fact that the creator of La La Land 347 00:15:25,504 --> 00:15:28,944 Speaker 1: was teaming up with Margot Robbie and Brad Pitt for 348 00:15:29,024 --> 00:15:32,704 Speaker 1: this movie was a huge deal and the movie chronicled 349 00:15:33,144 --> 00:15:34,984 Speaker 1: time in Hollywood. It was kind of this ode to 350 00:15:35,104 --> 00:15:37,904 Speaker 1: movies and the golden age of Hollywood at the time 351 00:15:37,944 --> 00:15:41,104 Speaker 1: where they were transitioning from silent films to sound films 352 00:15:41,384 --> 00:15:45,504 Speaker 1: in the late nineteen twenties, very glamorous, huge, huge budget 353 00:15:45,544 --> 00:15:48,144 Speaker 1: for the film, and they had a huge premiere for 354 00:15:48,224 --> 00:15:50,464 Speaker 1: it here in Sydney, obviously because you know, Margot Robbi's 355 00:15:50,464 --> 00:15:53,504 Speaker 1: Australian and she was on the red carpet. I remember 356 00:15:53,504 --> 00:15:55,384 Speaker 1: like walking past her on the red carpet and just 357 00:15:55,384 --> 00:16:00,104 Speaker 1: seeing this like jubulant look on her face before a 358 00:16:00,384 --> 00:16:02,264 Speaker 1: guy from merrit First Site tied to tackle her and 359 00:16:02,304 --> 00:16:04,184 Speaker 1: got dragged away from security. That's a whole other story. 360 00:16:05,944 --> 00:16:08,864 Speaker 1: Damn and Samara Weaving and Phoebe Tonkin to it. We were 361 00:16:08,824 --> 00:16:12,024 Speaker 1: really good friends who our austraint actresses were also in 362 00:16:12,064 --> 00:16:13,744 Speaker 1: it for like smaller parts, but they were on the 363 00:16:13,744 --> 00:16:16,224 Speaker 1: red carpet and they all came out on stage and 364 00:16:16,224 --> 00:16:18,224 Speaker 1: they were hugging and they were tearing up, and Margot 365 00:16:18,264 --> 00:16:20,464 Speaker 1: Robbie's brother host of the premiere. It was a huge, 366 00:16:20,504 --> 00:16:23,944 Speaker 1: huge deal, and we watched the movie and I, I 367 00:16:23,944 --> 00:16:25,864 Speaker 1: don't know, I had a lot of complicated thoughts about it, 368 00:16:25,904 --> 00:16:27,824 Speaker 1: but I didn't think it was as terrible as everyone 369 00:16:27,864 --> 00:16:30,744 Speaker 1: said it would. But then the reviews were very, very bad. 370 00:16:31,224 --> 00:16:33,544 Speaker 1: It did very poorly at the box office. It failed 371 00:16:33,544 --> 00:16:36,144 Speaker 1: to make any money back, and there was this big 372 00:16:36,144 --> 00:16:38,184 Speaker 1: build up that Brad Pitt was gonna win an Oscar, 373 00:16:38,224 --> 00:16:40,184 Speaker 1: but also that Margot Robbie was definitely going to win 374 00:16:40,224 --> 00:16:42,504 Speaker 1: an Oscar, like that felt like a lock for her, 375 00:16:42,824 --> 00:16:45,064 Speaker 1: and then she didn't even get nominated, and that was 376 00:16:45,104 --> 00:16:47,384 Speaker 1: a huge thing. It was interesting at the time. I 377 00:16:47,424 --> 00:16:50,464 Speaker 1: wrote a review about how I'd never felt so conflicted 378 00:16:50,504 --> 00:16:53,664 Speaker 1: about a movie as I did about Babylon, because there 379 00:16:53,664 --> 00:16:55,664 Speaker 1: were so many parts of it I loved, but there 380 00:16:55,664 --> 00:16:57,584 Speaker 1: were also many parts of it that shouldn't have been 381 00:16:57,624 --> 00:16:59,144 Speaker 1: there and that were a bit of a mess. And 382 00:16:59,304 --> 00:17:01,624 Speaker 1: that was one of the top performing articles on Mama 383 00:17:01,624 --> 00:17:05,224 Speaker 1: Mia just from search because people were so desperate to 384 00:17:05,264 --> 00:17:07,024 Speaker 1: kind of know what was going on with the movie. 385 00:17:07,024 --> 00:17:07,944 Speaker 1: And what had gone wrong? 386 00:17:08,064 --> 00:17:09,744 Speaker 2: And I guess it was one of those movies because 387 00:17:09,784 --> 00:17:12,384 Speaker 2: you were did everyone like so many other people would 388 00:17:12,424 --> 00:17:14,384 Speaker 2: have been as well, and they were probably like trying 389 00:17:14,384 --> 00:17:17,184 Speaker 2: to find why it didn't hit the way it should 390 00:17:17,184 --> 00:17:20,224 Speaker 2: have hit because it had these massive A listers in it. 391 00:17:20,664 --> 00:17:24,264 Speaker 2: But it was so interesting, like after Babylon, because I 392 00:17:24,264 --> 00:17:26,984 Speaker 2: feel like with these big movies, when it's built up 393 00:17:26,984 --> 00:17:29,824 Speaker 2: to be something so grand that everyone should be obsessed 394 00:17:29,864 --> 00:17:32,944 Speaker 2: with and it just falls flat, that can be so 395 00:17:33,064 --> 00:17:36,264 Speaker 2: dangerous for lack an actor like obviously Brad Pitt is 396 00:17:36,304 --> 00:17:38,544 Speaker 2: Brad Pitt. But I felt like in that moment twenty 397 00:17:38,544 --> 00:17:41,264 Speaker 2: twenty two, Margot Robbie was still like on that like 398 00:17:41,464 --> 00:17:42,544 Speaker 2: climbing up high. 399 00:17:42,624 --> 00:17:43,744 Speaker 1: This is like pre Barbie. 400 00:17:43,824 --> 00:17:46,664 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the fact that she. 401 00:17:45,904 --> 00:17:47,864 Speaker 1: She'd had Oscar nominations before, but this was meant to 402 00:17:47,904 --> 00:17:51,104 Speaker 1: be her lot and it didn't taint her at all. Yeah, 403 00:17:51,144 --> 00:17:53,104 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's interesting that she was able to 404 00:17:53,144 --> 00:17:56,024 Speaker 1: walk away from that because normally, especially a female star. 405 00:17:56,104 --> 00:17:57,784 Speaker 1: There was some start I read years ago that stayed 406 00:17:57,784 --> 00:17:59,784 Speaker 1: with me is that women can have two box office 407 00:17:59,784 --> 00:18:02,784 Speaker 1: flops and it hits like statistically and it starts to 408 00:18:02,864 --> 00:18:05,384 Speaker 1: hit them whereas men can have up to five before 409 00:18:05,424 --> 00:18:08,984 Speaker 1: it really starts to hit them, and so obviously didn't really, 410 00:18:09,064 --> 00:18:11,744 Speaker 1: you know, Brad Pitt, Marger Robbie infamously still both working 411 00:18:12,104 --> 00:18:15,104 Speaker 1: and still doing well. What's also interapping about what's also 412 00:18:15,184 --> 00:18:18,824 Speaker 1: interesting about this is that when the hype around Babylon 413 00:18:18,944 --> 00:18:21,104 Speaker 1: was really building up, that is when a lot of 414 00:18:21,144 --> 00:18:25,184 Speaker 1: the accusations about Brad Pitt allegedly being very abusive towards 415 00:18:25,184 --> 00:18:27,664 Speaker 1: his children were also coming out. And that's on a 416 00:18:27,704 --> 00:18:30,424 Speaker 1: lot of the investigations around what had happened on that 417 00:18:30,544 --> 00:18:33,544 Speaker 1: flight between him and Angelina Jolly, when the FBI was 418 00:18:33,544 --> 00:18:36,144 Speaker 1: called in to investigate, that's when a lot of the 419 00:18:36,184 --> 00:18:39,864 Speaker 1: divorce proceedings between them were being made public. And it's 420 00:18:39,904 --> 00:18:42,624 Speaker 1: really that time when, for the first time ever, these 421 00:18:42,624 --> 00:18:45,984 Speaker 1: stories started coming out about Brad Pitt being an abusive guy, 422 00:18:46,504 --> 00:18:49,744 Speaker 1: and they just really didn't gain any traction. I mean, 423 00:18:49,744 --> 00:18:51,184 Speaker 1: we covered them a lot here on the Spill, but 424 00:18:51,264 --> 00:18:54,184 Speaker 1: like they didn't really gain any traction, and it felt 425 00:18:54,224 --> 00:18:56,344 Speaker 1: like the studio was trying to like really bury it, 426 00:18:56,384 --> 00:18:58,544 Speaker 1: and that a lot of the industry was closing ranks 427 00:18:58,584 --> 00:19:01,024 Speaker 1: around Brad Pitt. And I think a lot of it 428 00:19:01,144 --> 00:19:03,904 Speaker 1: was to do with Babylon because there was so much 429 00:19:03,944 --> 00:19:06,784 Speaker 1: money writing on it. There was so much happening behind 430 00:19:06,824 --> 00:19:09,304 Speaker 1: the scenes for everyone who was involved in this movie, 431 00:19:09,344 --> 00:19:11,184 Speaker 1: and he had other movies come out too that he 432 00:19:11,264 --> 00:19:13,744 Speaker 1: was the face of. And you can't have your leading man. 433 00:19:14,224 --> 00:19:16,744 Speaker 1: We've seen what happens with movies when the leading man, 434 00:19:16,864 --> 00:19:19,024 Speaker 1: like look at West Side Story with Ansel el Gored 435 00:19:19,104 --> 00:19:22,904 Speaker 1: or even has the Cards. Yeah, yeah, exactly, when your 436 00:19:23,024 --> 00:19:27,384 Speaker 1: leading man has a scandal. How hard it promote it? Yeah, exactly. 437 00:19:27,784 --> 00:19:30,424 Speaker 1: Even Armie Hammer when he had that to take him 438 00:19:30,424 --> 00:19:32,664 Speaker 1: off the poster for his blockbuster that was coming out 439 00:19:32,704 --> 00:19:38,104 Speaker 1: around Deaths. Yeah movie, and then you can't do promo 440 00:19:38,184 --> 00:19:40,464 Speaker 1: for it. So I think everyone in Hollywood really closed 441 00:19:40,824 --> 00:19:43,544 Speaker 1: ranks around Brad Pitt and really shut that story down, 442 00:19:43,944 --> 00:19:46,104 Speaker 1: and yet the movie still did badly. In defense of 443 00:19:46,144 --> 00:19:48,784 Speaker 1: Margo Robbie, I think she's excellent in that movie. There's 444 00:19:48,824 --> 00:19:51,544 Speaker 1: a lot of scenes where she's very over the top. 445 00:19:51,584 --> 00:19:54,024 Speaker 1: She loves a scene where she yells and screams, and 446 00:19:54,424 --> 00:19:56,264 Speaker 1: there's a scene where she has like a snake bite 447 00:19:56,304 --> 00:19:57,824 Speaker 1: into her neck and she fights the snake. 448 00:19:58,304 --> 00:19:58,984 Speaker 2: Made the trailer. 449 00:19:59,864 --> 00:20:03,024 Speaker 1: But there's one little scene in there where she is 450 00:20:03,584 --> 00:20:06,864 Speaker 1: having to cry on camera, and in my mind, it's 451 00:20:06,864 --> 00:20:08,704 Speaker 1: like I've always pictured as like one of the perfect 452 00:20:08,704 --> 00:20:11,064 Speaker 1: scenes from a movie like the that is stuck in 453 00:20:11,104 --> 00:20:13,024 Speaker 1: my mind as like almost a standalone like it could 454 00:20:13,024 --> 00:20:14,824 Speaker 1: be a short film for something like that, Like she's 455 00:20:14,864 --> 00:20:17,704 Speaker 1: so brilliant in it, and the direction is so brilliant, 456 00:20:17,824 --> 00:20:19,944 Speaker 1: and I just think if they could give an Oscar 457 00:20:20,024 --> 00:20:22,424 Speaker 1: for a scene, it would be well, I would give 458 00:20:22,424 --> 00:20:24,264 Speaker 1: it to that. So that's what I'm say. Anyway, getting 459 00:20:24,304 --> 00:20:28,264 Speaker 1: back to what Margo Robbie said, Yeah, now that I've 460 00:20:28,264 --> 00:20:31,144 Speaker 1: given you the history of Babylon, So she went on 461 00:20:31,184 --> 00:20:34,384 Speaker 1: a podcast called The Talking Picture Podcast and the host 462 00:20:34,504 --> 00:20:38,664 Speaker 1: asked her about the movie being considered such a public failure, 463 00:20:39,184 --> 00:20:41,344 Speaker 1: and he said to her, like, why don't people like 464 00:20:41,384 --> 00:20:44,744 Speaker 1: this movie? And Margot Robbie said, yeah, I don't know why. 465 00:20:44,784 --> 00:20:46,384 Speaker 1: I love it, and then she wanted to say, I 466 00:20:46,424 --> 00:20:49,264 Speaker 1: still can't figure out why people really hated it. I 467 00:20:49,304 --> 00:20:51,704 Speaker 1: wonder if in twenty years people are going to be like, wait, 468 00:20:52,024 --> 00:20:54,944 Speaker 1: Babylon didn't do well at the time. That's crazy because 469 00:20:54,944 --> 00:20:57,104 Speaker 1: when you hear something like the short shape Redemption is 470 00:20:57,144 --> 00:20:59,384 Speaker 1: a failure at the time, whatever you're like, oh, how 471 00:20:59,464 --> 00:21:01,864 Speaker 1: is that possible? And I think she brings up an 472 00:21:01,864 --> 00:21:04,024 Speaker 1: interesting point because there are a lot of movies that 473 00:21:04,064 --> 00:21:07,824 Speaker 1: are considered classics now that were not considered classics at 474 00:21:07,824 --> 00:21:10,184 Speaker 1: the time. I always think of Jennifer's Body, Yeah, I 475 00:21:10,384 --> 00:21:12,344 Speaker 1: mean I was going with Oscar in this yeah, And. 476 00:21:12,264 --> 00:21:14,344 Speaker 2: I was like, I was just like thinking of like Johnny. 477 00:21:14,104 --> 00:21:17,464 Speaker 1: Darker, No, No, Jennifer's Body with Amanda c. Freed and 478 00:21:17,984 --> 00:21:20,464 Speaker 1: Megan Fox and was written by A. Diablo Cody is 479 00:21:20,504 --> 00:21:21,384 Speaker 1: a great example. 480 00:21:21,544 --> 00:21:24,304 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. That just came to me, like 481 00:21:24,424 --> 00:21:26,104 Speaker 2: in this moment, because. 482 00:21:25,784 --> 00:21:27,904 Speaker 1: That was not critically aclaimed at the time and didn't 483 00:21:27,944 --> 00:21:30,744 Speaker 1: do well, but now people really use it as an 484 00:21:30,784 --> 00:21:32,584 Speaker 1: example of we all want a. 485 00:21:32,584 --> 00:21:34,904 Speaker 2: Jurassic Park and not everything is a Jurassic Park. 486 00:21:34,984 --> 00:21:37,624 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. I was looking at some movies that were 487 00:21:37,824 --> 00:21:40,104 Speaker 1: kind of flops at the time that have now reshaped 488 00:21:40,144 --> 00:21:42,664 Speaker 1: pop culture. It's a wonderful life that came out in 489 00:21:42,744 --> 00:21:43,784 Speaker 1: nineteen forty six. 490 00:21:43,984 --> 00:21:45,064 Speaker 2: What did you want, Mary? 491 00:21:45,464 --> 00:21:46,144 Speaker 1: You want the moon? 492 00:21:47,024 --> 00:21:49,024 Speaker 2: Just say the word and I'll throw a lassole around 493 00:21:49,024 --> 00:21:49,704 Speaker 2: and pullug down. 494 00:21:50,424 --> 00:21:52,264 Speaker 1: Hey, that's a pretty good idea. 495 00:21:52,784 --> 00:21:55,344 Speaker 2: I'll give you the moon, Mary, I'll take it was 496 00:21:55,344 --> 00:21:56,904 Speaker 2: that not a good movie at the time. 497 00:21:57,224 --> 00:22:00,424 Speaker 1: Well, it didn't win like the Oscars people the best Picture, 498 00:22:00,464 --> 00:22:02,304 Speaker 1: and it kind of did okay, But that has now 499 00:22:02,344 --> 00:22:05,824 Speaker 1: become like the Blueprints, so many other books, TV shows, movies, 500 00:22:05,864 --> 00:22:08,624 Speaker 1: people reference it like it's taken all life away from 501 00:22:09,224 --> 00:22:11,984 Speaker 1: just being a movie. It's kind of shaped pop culture. 502 00:22:12,064 --> 00:22:15,544 Speaker 1: And it's also so many people's favorite Christmas movie. Also, 503 00:22:15,624 --> 00:22:18,824 Speaker 1: Margo Robbie mentioned the Shawshank Redemption from nineteen ninety four. 504 00:22:19,264 --> 00:22:20,904 Speaker 1: I mean it was been out by Forrest Gump, but 505 00:22:20,984 --> 00:22:23,144 Speaker 1: I know people don't like Forest Gump as much. Like 506 00:22:23,184 --> 00:22:24,504 Speaker 1: there's kind of a conversation about it. 507 00:22:24,544 --> 00:22:27,544 Speaker 2: Well, Shure Shank Redemption is like what every like male 508 00:22:27,624 --> 00:22:30,184 Speaker 2: above twenty so yeah, his favorite, every favorite movie. 509 00:22:30,224 --> 00:22:31,904 Speaker 1: But it didn't do all the box office at the time, 510 00:22:31,984 --> 00:22:34,624 Speaker 1: it wasn't It is a brilliant movie. It's a brilliant movie. 511 00:22:34,704 --> 00:22:36,664 Speaker 1: And but the thing is like people saying it's a 512 00:22:36,704 --> 00:22:38,784 Speaker 1: brilliant movie now, but they weren't at the time. And 513 00:22:38,824 --> 00:22:40,944 Speaker 1: even a movie like Psycho, something that I think is 514 00:22:40,984 --> 00:22:42,824 Speaker 1: one of the greatest movies of the time is that 515 00:22:42,824 --> 00:22:47,024 Speaker 1: I'm not No, I didn't win. Why not was not brilliant? 516 00:22:47,064 --> 00:22:48,944 Speaker 1: But I don't think in saying that though, I don't 517 00:22:48,944 --> 00:22:51,784 Speaker 1: think Babylon's going to be that. Yeah, I don't think 518 00:22:51,784 --> 00:22:53,784 Speaker 1: in twenty years we're going to be talking about Babylon 519 00:22:53,824 --> 00:22:55,904 Speaker 1: in the same breath as It's a Wonderful Life Psycho 520 00:22:55,944 --> 00:22:59,064 Speaker 1: and the Shawshank Redemption. But I think there's also something 521 00:22:59,104 --> 00:23:01,064 Speaker 1: and like we're in this time now that we've got 522 00:23:01,064 --> 00:23:04,184 Speaker 1: so many movies coming on streaming and so many movies 523 00:23:04,224 --> 00:23:06,864 Speaker 1: coming out like at the cinema, that everyone wants every 524 00:23:06,864 --> 00:23:09,344 Speaker 1: movie to either be the worst thing they've ever seen 525 00:23:09,984 --> 00:23:12,224 Speaker 1: or the greatest movie of all time, And there's a 526 00:23:12,224 --> 00:23:13,944 Speaker 1: lot of room to sit with a movie that is 527 00:23:13,984 --> 00:23:16,584 Speaker 1: just maybe like Babylon, like some bits are great, some 528 00:23:16,664 --> 00:23:21,464 Speaker 1: bit's not. It challenges you expectations so much higher to 529 00:23:21,544 --> 00:23:23,264 Speaker 1: kind of sit with that. So I don't know. I 530 00:23:23,264 --> 00:23:25,224 Speaker 1: felt what Margo Robbie said though about talking about the 531 00:23:25,224 --> 00:23:26,864 Speaker 1: failure publicly was really interesting. 532 00:23:27,264 --> 00:23:29,584 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to The Spill today. 533 00:23:29,704 --> 00:23:32,944 Speaker 2: We had posted a little Instagram story over on The 534 00:23:32,944 --> 00:23:37,104 Speaker 2: Spill podcast Instagram asking if you've listened to our broodly 535 00:23:37,104 --> 00:23:39,744 Speaker 2: honest review of Gladiator, and look, a lot of you 536 00:23:39,784 --> 00:23:41,584 Speaker 2: are very honest. You said you were going to listen 537 00:23:41,624 --> 00:23:44,104 Speaker 2: this week, so we're checking in. Have you done it? 538 00:23:44,304 --> 00:23:46,664 Speaker 2: Have you watched the movie? Have you listened to the review? 539 00:23:46,744 --> 00:23:48,904 Speaker 2: If you watch the movie, we will link a brioly 540 00:23:48,904 --> 00:23:50,744 Speaker 2: honest review in the show notes for you to listen to. 541 00:23:51,064 --> 00:23:54,624 Speaker 2: It is probably my favorite one we've ever done. We 542 00:23:54,664 --> 00:23:56,864 Speaker 2: will be back here in your podcast feed at three 543 00:23:56,944 --> 00:24:05,064 Speaker 2: pm tomorrow for another Broodly Honors review of Wicked favorite 544 00:24:05,224 --> 00:24:10,544 Speaker 2: Wicked one, So stay tuned. It's gonna be a really, 545 00:24:10,664 --> 00:24:14,104 Speaker 2: really good time. The Spill is produced by Kimberly Bradish 546 00:24:14,104 --> 00:24:17,104 Speaker 2: with audio production by Scott Stronik. We will see you then, 547 00:24:17,504 --> 00:24:23,864 Speaker 2: Bye bye.